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Benilopax	Posted - 2005.11.13 02:44:00 - [1] As we did with earth and beyond, Eve is about to welcome more refugees to it's galaxy. I ask you all to get free trials ready for them and also i ask CEO's to prepare basic skills ships and mods for them so they get the best start possible. They got screwed once lets make sure it doesn't happen again! Thankyou.
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2005.11.13 02:50:00 - [2] How did SWG gets screwed? Linkage?
Nukeitall	Posted - 2005.11.13 02:52:00 - [3] Without getting too specific, MANY very large editions to the game have made it less then tolerable. I doubt we'll see that many refugees, partly because it's a different class of MMO, partly because it's not closing down.
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.11.13 02:58:00 - [4] The alliances of 0.0 stand ready at the gates.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.13 03:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Christopher Scott How did SWG gets screwed? Linkage? Linkage - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Stumbleduck	Posted - 2005.11.13 03:20:00 - [6] I'm an SWG refugee, and wow did we EVER get screwed :P So far I'm liking Eve, the community is great so far, people have been helping me out even on my first day! O_O People like you rock
Benilopax	Posted - 2005.11.13 03:26:00 - [7] Welcome stumbleduck good to hear we are helping you all out
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.11.13 03:40:00 - [8] Shame what SoE did. Players won't forget it. I hope this will be the death knell of that damned company. Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia Fleet Admiral/CEO - The Aeternus Crusade
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2005.11.13 04:06:00 - [9] I would post on that thread and offer links to Eve videos, tutorials, and trial accounts, but even with a station account it won't let me without a SWG sub. That sucks. :-/
TheDeceit	Posted - 2005.11.13 04:17:00 - [10] I've hated SoE ever since they said "Infantry will be free forever" and then maked it P2P a month later. -------- "Yet we still hug the dear Deceit" - N. Cotton
JAG Solra	Posted - 2005.11.13 05:04:00 - [11] I'm an SWG refugee as well.. although I made the move to EVE a few months ago. There will be an adjustment to make, but EVE is a better game overall than SWG, and CCP > SOE without a doubt.
Damaclese	Posted - 2005.11.13 05:37:00 - [12] I didnt even make it through the free 30 day trial when i bought it new it sucked so bad. thats about all the time im gonna waste on swg.
Hoap	Posted - 2005.11.13 06:09:00 - [13] Originally by: JAG Solra I'm an SWG refugee as well.. although I made the move to EVE a few months ago. There will be an adjustment to make, but EVE is a better game overall than SWG, and CCP > SOE without a doubt. Be carefull there with the CCP > SoE, eve is a great game but CCP seems bent on destroying it just like SoE has done to all of theres
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.11.13 06:19:00 - [14] Originally by: TheDeceit I've hated SoE ever since they said "Infantry will be free forever" and then maked it P2P a month later. Agreed. Infantry was pwnage. NME attacking our base
JAG Solra	Posted - 2005.11.13 06:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Hoap Be carefull there with the CCP > SoE, eve is a great game but CCP seems bent on destroying it just like SoE has done to all of theres So far I haven't seen it.. but then I again I haven't been here long. The main thing that impresses me is the regular posts and blogs from CCP employees that help keep the communication channels open. That in itself is a big part of why I think CCP > SOE
hoaps surgery	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:00:00 - [16] Originally by: JAG Solra Originally by: Hoap Be carefull there with the CCP > SoE, eve is a great game but CCP seems bent on destroying it just like SoE has done to all of theres So far I haven't seen it.. but then I again I haven't been here long. The main thing that impresses me is the regular posts and blogs from CCP employees that help keep the communication channels open. That in itself is a big part of why I think CCP > SOE the problem is that communication is supposed to go both ways, when ccp posts that they are going to change something thats it, it is done, coded, in the can, and no matter how many tell them there going wrong it still happens, examples are the big torp nerf, and the impending drone slaughter.
TheDeceit	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Originally by: TheDeceit I've hated SoE ever since they said "Infantry will be free forever" and then maked it P2P a month later. Agreed. Infantry was pwnage. NME attacking our base I remember when they first released the RPG-like server. Everybody ran around with that uber overpowered invisible sniper rifle. That was a fun time. :P -------- "Yet we still hug the dear Deceit" - N. Cotton
SengH	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:04:00 - [18] Infantry was so a Subspace clone.... but with different gfx and theme. I dont think anyone else remembers that game though. Subspace was ******* fun with 150v150 servers and people fortifying bases. Infantry got a bit cheap with the turrets too though.
Corvus Anderran	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:07:00 - [19] Originally by: hoaps surgery Originally by: JAG Solra Originally by: Hoap Be carefull there with the CCP > SoE, eve is a great game but CCP seems bent on destroying it just like SoE has done to all of theres So far I haven't seen it.. but then I again I haven't been here long. The main thing that impresses me is the regular posts and blogs from CCP employees that help keep the communication channels open. That in itself is a big part of why I think CCP > SOE the problem is that communication is supposed to go both ways, when ccp posts that they are going to change something thats it, it is done, coded, in the can, and no matter how many tell them there going wrong it still happens, examples are the big torp nerf, and the impending drone slaughter. Actually the drones are probably a very good example of why that isn't true. If CCP didn't take community feedback on board the damage bonuses would only be to thermal, not all types.
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Corvus Anderran Actually the drones are probably a very good example of why that isn't true. If CCP didn't take community feedback on board the damage bonuses would only be to thermal, not all types. Entire page long posts with mathmatical calculations and constructive criticisms on missiles were deleted in the first missile nerf thread. We didn't get the response that the drone users got, and that kind of sucks. But I'm over that now, CCP is finally taking another look at missiles, so it's all good.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Hoap Originally by: JAG Solra I'm an SWG refugee as well.. although I made the move to EVE a few months ago. There will be an adjustment to make, but EVE is a better game overall than SWG, and CCP > SOE without a doubt. Be carefull there with the CCP > SoE, eve is a great game but CCP seems bent on destroying it just like SoE has done to all of theres Heres the thing though, EVE is all CCP has. Sony has... uh. Lots and lots more than just one MMOG, they can afford to do stupid stuff - CCP can't.
Hoap	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Hoap Originally by: JAG Solra I'm an SWG refugee as well.. although I made the move to EVE a few months ago. There will be an adjustment to make, but EVE is a better game overall than SWG, and CCP > SOE without a doubt. Be carefull there with the CCP > SoE, eve is a great game but CCP seems bent on destroying it just like SoE has done to all of theres Heres the thing though, EVE is all CCP has. Sony has... uh. Lots and lots more than just one MMOG, they can afford to do stupid stuff - CCP can't. I agree completely, and yet we watch them do it time after time.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:18:00 - [23] Originally by: hoaps surgery the problem is that communication is supposed to go both ways, when ccp posts that they are going to change something thats it, it is done, coded, in the can, and no matter how many tell them there going wrong it still happens, examples are the big torp nerf, and the impending drone slaughter. A fix and a nerf is not the same. Before the missile fix, there were LOTS of threads whining about how even noob raven pilots wtfpwned most npcs with their torps. 60m Arby sieges? Even I had 4 siege launchers on my tempest coz torps was just soo good. And my pest is still outclassed by the raven for npc'ing, at least for belt hopping in 0.0. p - l - u - r
Futher Bezluden	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:24:00 - [24] The moment CCP sells out to Microsoft, Sony, or some other buttplug console oriented company, that is the precise moment I pull the plug on my account. Do not sell EVE to gimp corps famous for selling packets of KY with their games.
Hoap	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: hoaps surgery the problem is that communication is supposed to go both ways, when ccp posts that they are going to change something thats it, it is done, coded, in the can, and no matter how many tell them there going wrong it still happens, examples are the big torp nerf, and the impending drone slaughter. A fix and a nerf is not the same. Before the missile fix, there were LOTS of threads whining about how even noob raven pilots wtfpwned most npcs with their torps. 60m Arby sieges? Even I had 4 siege launchers on my tempest coz torps was just soo good. And my pest is still outclassed by the raven for npc'ing, at least for belt hopping in 0.0. I think that is a big problem with mmo's if its more powerfull then something else people cry about it untill it gets nerfed, and the missiles were a nerf, i bet EVERYONE would have been happier if instead of chopping down the missiles they put the effort into making the other guns better, increase the RoF on the large projectile weapons so they can compete, increase the tracking of the large guns so that like the missiles they hit every time. but to backstep anything in an mmo is just stupid, u kill what people know.
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:25:00 - [26] Were the changes being done really THAT bad? I mean the last time I played the game it seemed so horrifyingly bad that I thought it could only get better from there. winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
hoaps surgery	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Winterblink Were the changes being done really THAT bad? I mean the last time I played the game it seemed so horrifyingly bad that I thought it could only get better from there. 1 word, planetside, there doing exactly what planetside did, and now there is what 200 ppl that still play that game?
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Hoap I think that is a big problem with mmo's if its more powerfull then something else people cry about it untill it gets nerfed, and the missiles were a nerf, i bet EVERYONE would have been happier if instead of chopping down the missiles they put the effort into making the other guns better, increase the RoF on the large projectile weapons so they can compete, increase the tracking of the large guns so that like the missiles they hit every time. That would make battleships pwn too much. p - l - u - r
Starbauch	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:34:00 - [29] They are changing SWG to a first person shooter. Three years wasted! Been playing Eve for 14 days now. If I'd known this game was here I would have stopped playing SWG years ago. Oh to be a nub again! YAY! And I do believe there will be a substantial amount of players joining EVE from SWG. I know of at least a dozen personally.
hoaps surgery	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Hoap I think that is a big problem with mmo's if its more powerfull then something else people cry about it untill it gets nerfed, and the missiles were a nerf, i bet EVERYONE would have been happier if instead of chopping down the missiles they put the effort into making the other guns better, increase the RoF on the large projectile weapons so they can compete, increase the tracking of the large guns so that like the missiles they hit every time. That would make battleships pwn too much. THERE BATTLESHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, am i the only one that understands this? pwning is what there supposed to do, right now a damned tristan can sit 5000 meters away shooting me and i cant touch it with my geddon unless i have a small gun, or smarty,
NAFnist	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:42:00 - [31] Originally by: Winterblink Were the changes being done really THAT bad? I mean the last time I played the game it seemed so horrifyingly bad that I thought it could only get better from there. lol, i saw a mate try it once and was so disgusted by it I didnt even bother trying it myself.
Samurai Pumpkin	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:43:00 - [32] Edited by: Samurai Pumpkin on 13/11/2005 07:41:57 Originally by: Starbauch They are changing SWG to a first person shooter. Three years wasted! Been playing Eve for 14 days now. If I'd known this game was here I would have stopped playing SWG years ago. Oh to be a nub again! YAY! And I do believe there will be a substantial amount of players joining EVE from SWG. I know of at least a dozen personally. Yo Starbauch! I'll see you in game m8. Had to take a break earlier. See you in a few ( hopefully ).
slumlordd	Posted - 2005.11.13 08:06:00 - [33] Hello, a swg runner my self after almost 3 years. Yea.. they messed up bad. If anyone from Sunrunner is playing, Mirical Max, Xerxess are my toons here. Salinar.. Imperial Zabrak from doom...
Mak'shar Karrde	Posted - 2005.11.13 08:24:00 - [34] I don't know if you should really refer to a third-person perspective game as a first-person shooter, but I get the idea... I left SWG and returned to EVE about a couple of weeks before the first combat 'upgrade'. All that I read afterwards led me to believe that it had turned into a game that I would have no fun playing. I appreciate that everyone is leaving the ship now (I did that myself when UO changed beyond recognition) but a good friend and I have just reopened our accounts to see how this new game (SWG2) plays. It's definetly not the original SWG but a FPS (in third person) Star Wars MMOG, with a lot more brains than your standard FPS fare, is not something I'm willing to write off completely without trying. Hell, some masochists still play UO... Either way, I'm not leaving EVE... Puts Frigate V into training, just incase.
F'nog	Posted - 2005.11.13 09:28:00 - [35] I can think of a whole bunch of times the devs have listened to feedback and altered their plans. The original drone change from 1.5 years ago, Min outpost refinery yield, missiles (upcoming), the drone thermal damage modifier, etc. Sig modified due to xenophobic comments -Iacon
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.13 10:02:00 - [36] welcome to all the SWG players please dont engage in large fleet battles the game cant handle 700 players in local.... thanku
Ka Mizu	Posted - 2005.11.13 10:16:00 - [37] Originally by: SengH Infantry was so a Subspace clone.... but with different gfx and theme. I dont think anyone else remembers that game though. Subspace was ******* fun with 150v150 servers and people fortifying bases. Infantry got a bit cheap with the turrets too though. Subspace ftw :)) Some of us remember
Andreas Kallesoee	Posted - 2005.11.13 10:33:00 - [38] Welcome on board all you SWG refugees, i am myself such a man, i decided to call it quits after the smugglers got the shaft one time to many. I hope you will have as much fun here as i have.
Dak Hakin	Posted - 2005.11.13 11:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Mak'shar Karrde I don't know if you should really refer to a third-person perspective game as a first-person shooter, but I get the idea... Thats the thing though... Its not third-person perspective anymore, its first-person now. I only played SWG a very short time and I was not impressed enough with it to bother again. _______________________________________________ If you fear the thorn, do not crave the rose
Ozzie Asrail	Posted - 2005.11.13 11:54:00 - [40] Lots of SWG threads popping up on every mmo board i read, going to be a nice xmas bonus for the competition i think :) I played swg at release and it was pretty fun up untill the holocron grind when i left. Also enjoyed Ps and eq1\2 till soe started messing with them too much... My advice to ccp is listen to your players but stick to your vision. Doing an soe and changing the game to satisfy players that have already quit will jsut loose you players who were staying because of that feature or gameplay style. Hopefully eve will be my new home fo now :)
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.13 12:06:00 - [41] CCP do a good job and also do a good job of ignoring players if it isnt going to benefit everyone overall. that is a double edged sword but it appears to be working so far the main issue at the moment is lag - but that lag is a combination of growth spurt - local battles not being able to cater for 800 players (software - hardware issues) should improve a lot in the nxt 6 months Lack of jove space - more players will create the temptation after china is in to move into a jove backstory and more solar systems. And i guess only just reaching profitability and profits being ploughed back into the game there is going to be a RL time lag between more money going itno software development = content and new hardware and the results. So stick with eve at least for 6 months keep the $$$ coming in because unlike SOE and WOW the profits arent really goign to shareholders (private company that CCP is) the people that seed funded eve i think included telecom iceland (this game is a big export earner for iceland and a place its local IT talent can goto) and a lot of the surplus funds are A) new staff new hardware and more time on development b) china expansion = more funds down the track that can be put into TQ c) new premises to house a larger CCP d) dunno RL research and development to improve the product
Filine	Posted - 2005.11.13 12:55:00 - [42] Filan from Starsider, Starship Converters LLC
Karunel	Posted - 2005.11.13 13:01:00 - [43] Honestly people could yo stop comparing SOE to CCP, these comparisons just show you have no clue about what you're talking about OR that you have a really warped vision of reality. To all SWG refugees, welcome. How about a campaign like the one CCP made when E&B shut down?
Nuala Reece	Posted - 2005.11.13 13:14:00 - [44] Originally by: hoaps surgery the problem is that communication is supposed to go both ways, when ccp posts that they are going to change something thats it, it is done, coded, in the can, and no matter how many tell them there going wrong it still happens, examples are the big torp nerf, and the impending drone slaughter. You're clearly not enjoying Eve as much as you feel you should be, if your posts here are anything to go by. Could I suggest you spend a bit of time on SiSi contributing to the development of the game by testing these things out and giving constructive feedback to the devs before they're introduced to the game, and maybe take your problems with the game to the Game Development Forum instead. I believe these are methods of 2 way communication set up by CCP to allow the community to take part in the development of the game, something you won't see in SWG for sure. Nobody's going to like all the changes that are made, but raising the bar on weapons changes would be a false economy - instead of having a few newbs flying powerful ships we'd be swamped with them. Battles would last seconds and there'd be less incentive for us to use our brains and develop creative and intelligent ship setups and battle tactics. I like that Eve doesn't pander to the desire for an easy life. Be Free Starlancers
Plutoinum	Posted - 2005.11.13 13:36:00 - [45] Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/11/2005 13:36:46 Originally by: hoaps surgery 1 word, planetside, there doing exactly what planetside did, and now there is what 200 ppl that still play that game? Hmm, they implemented these stupid mechs. Was fun for two days but then they got boring. So when the free mech playtime was over I didn't train the skills. I thought that these uber mechs with mega firepower and uber defense suck. Was more fun to run a around with a lasher and have some cool 1-on-1 or 1-to-3 situation and pwn or get pwned, or with a stolen jack hammer or mini gun without a mega-pwnage-mech.
Calisto Lockhart	Posted - 2005.11.13 14:11:00 - [46] we all have our issues with CCP but we love our silly lil CCP raises glass
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.11.13 14:59:00 - [47] Originally by: Hoap Originally by: JAG Solra I'm an SWG refugee as well.. although I made the move to EVE a few months ago. There will be an adjustment to make, but EVE is a better game overall than SWG, and CCP > SOE without a doubt. Be carefull there with the CCP > SoE, eve is a great game but CCP seems bent on destroying it just like SoE has done to all of theres I think someone needs a mental checkpoint for stupidity. There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Dakath	Posted - 2005.11.13 15:03:00 - [48] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Christopher Scott How did SWG gets screwed? Linkage? Linkage If I read your link rightly, SWG is a First Person Shooter game. Somewhat different from EVE. Still, I welcome any and all new players to our nice little (big) galaxy. 1000 baby bunnies were slow-roasted alive to create this signature line. We Hate Bunny
Del Narveux	Posted - 2005.11.13 15:34:00 - [49] Actually it looks as if they took the worst aspects of FPS and MMORPG and combined them. Anyway I am also in the 'mad as hell about what SOE did with Infantry' so I am somewhat biased in this regard. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.11.13 15:58:00 - [50] Originally by: Ka Mizu Originally by: SengH Infantry was so a Subspace clone.... but with different gfx and theme. I dont think anyone else remembers that game though. Subspace was ***** fun with 150v150 servers and people fortifying bases. Infantry got a bit cheap with the turrets too though. Subspace ftw :)) Some of us remember Subspace!!!! Whee! I loved that game, still have a boxed copy of it somewhere from way back when it was actually sold in stores. :) winterblink** warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
franny	Posted - 2005.11.13 16:15:00 - [51] Edited by: franny on 13/11/2005 16:14:54 as someone with personal issues with blizcrap that would take an hour to type/explain as someone who lived thru SOE - EQ's vast nerfs of enchanters in both cases, feedback and customer service went ignored and unheard, or was just plain out to *****the customer CCP has publicly addmitted they fubar'd a CS issue(4S's name), CCP took feedback and is making a change(missile re re ballance) in the few months i've been here I've seen CCP (vastly) > SOE / Bliz
Amataras	Posted - 2005.11.13 16:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Hoap Originally by: JAG Solra I'm an SWG refugee as well.. although I made the move to EVE a few months ago. There will be an adjustment to make, but EVE is a better game overall than SWG, and CCP > SOE without a doubt. Be carefull there with the CCP > SoE, eve is a great game but CCP seems bent on destroying it just like SoE has done to all of theres Bull**** ahoy... -------------- The Eve Diplomacy Table
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.11.13 16:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Hoap I agree completely, and yet we watch them do it time after time. See, but they haven't done anything that ruins the game, and they've only had subscribers go up after EnB crashed and burned. Also, they're hiring devs for the EVE team, not firing them. That last thing is why CCP > SOE && CCP > EA
Professor McFly	Posted - 2005.11.13 16:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Karunel Honestly people could yo stop comparing SOE to CCP, these comparisons just show you have no clue about what you're talking about OR that you have a really warped vision of reality. Q F T Seeing people saying CCP are "going down the same road as SOE" is pretty offensive.
Makhan	Posted - 2005.11.13 16:39:00 - [55] Edited by: Makhan on 13/11/2005 16:43:57 I sometimes wonder what would happen IF the DEV's got ultradrunk one day and turned eve into a real-time first person space sim game like freespace 2.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.11.13 16:46:00 - [56] Originally by: hoaps surgery THERE BATTLESHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, am i the only one that understands this? pwning is what there supposed to do, right now a damned tristan can sit 5000 meters away shooting me and i cant touch it with my geddon unless i have a small gun, or smarty, Battleships are the most flexable ships in game. They can do anything, but they can't do everything. The problem is that people set them up for one specific purpose (generally killing other battleships at extreme range) and then cry when they are blown up by someone who comes along in something that isn't a battleship and engages at a not-so-extreme range. One of the things I am terrified about facing in my close-range tempest is a tanked cruiser. The tracking on autocannons is bad enough that if they get into orbit, I'm screwed. So what do I do? Fit 2 webs, a 20k scram and either nos or smartbombs. Voilla, cruiser is completely immobalized (2 webs), can't warp (20k scrambler), can't activate modules (nos) or can't drone me (smart bombs), and I can turn on my autocannons and destroy it in 30 seconds. If it gets within the range of the webs it's dead, if it stays outside it's dead. Funnily enough, that exact same setup can also keep frigates or battleships from getting too close or too far. OMGHAX A FITTING THAT WORKS IN MORE THAN ONE SCENARIO!! Originally by: Chowdown We camp a lot
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.11.13 16:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Makhan Edited by: Makhan on 13/11/2005 16:43:57 I sometimes wonder what would happen IF the DEV's got ultradrunk one day and turned eve into a real-time first person space sim game like freespace 2. I would kill for a first-person camera while in a interceptor, so long as I was also given manual control :) Originally by: Chowdown We camp a lot
High Sierra	Posted - 2005.11.14 20:30:00 - [58] ccp do the best possible job they can. c'mon guys give them a break - since I started playing I've seen the server numbers grow from around 10k to 17k. Thats pretty damned impressive growth for a game. yes they have dropped the ball in the past, but at least CCP have the guts to say so. Also, I've never played an MMO where I got money refunded cause of server problems. CCP have been victims of their own success but they are working very hard to solve problems and they have been good enough to let us know what their intentions are with regard to hardware and software fixes. not many companies would do that. Also, theres not many games out there where the actions of the players have a lasting effect. Theres not many games out there with player driven content. There sure as hell arent many games out there where the Devs have such a close relationship with the players. That takes a lot of hard work and I for one think CCP do a damn fine job. I took a long hard look at SWG when it came out. It was either that or Eve. I am so glad I chose Eve. Incidentally CCP, my wallets a bit empty.............
Kylania	Posted - 2005.11.14 20:53:00 - [59] Originally by: Dakath If I read your link rightly, SWG is a First Person Shooter game. Somewhat different from EVE. That's exactly what SOE did to SWG. They took a wonderfully deep, immersive and complex MMORPG and turned it into a stupided-down, generic, console-ready FPS hack. They released an expansion pack with profession specific rewards, then the very next day announced that in two weeks the game would be changing so much that those professions were no longer part of the game! Suprisingly enough SOE turned around today and announced that you could get a refund for the expansion pack after so many people complained about the deceptive marketing and outright lies they gave their paying customers. Welcome to the SWG folk! I'm one too (from Radiant) but I gave up on that game a few months ago. :) -- Lil Miner
Pa1nbringr	Posted - 2005.11.14 20:58:00 - [60] Originally by: hoaps surgery Originally by: Winterblink Were the changes being done really THAT bad? I mean the last time I played the game it seemed so horrifyingly bad that I thought it could only get better from there. 1 word, planetside, there doing exactly what planetside did, and now there is what 200 ppl that still play that game? planetside was alot of fun -
Minsc	Posted - 2005.11.14 21:32:00 - [61] Honestly it still amazes me that people just expect CCP to pull 50-100 (or however many they have) custom-built bladeservers outta their ass and do the hardware upgrade. I'm sure they are trying to get the hadware in as soon as possible but it isn't like they can just go down to their corner store and grab them off the shelf. As for the missle changes, they were long over due and badly needed. Yes they do need some further tweaking but they are very close to bringing them into ballance with the turrets. Oh, and bringing the turrets up so they would have been as effective as the torps were at the time has to be one of the most retarded ideas I've ever heard. I'm looking forward to the drone changes, makes me want to get a domi now more than ever.
markol	Posted - 2005.11.14 21:35:00 - [62] I played EnB. Came here when that shut down. OMG the learning curve. I feel sorry for the SWG nubs. Welcom to the game. Good luck, and hope you manage to overcome the curve. I played SWG for about 2 weeks. What a horrid horrid game. I played Planetside for a couple of days, did not quite understand the mindless killing with no penalties. I played WoW. The same thing. EvE is an amazing game. It has gotten tedious for me in the past. I moved to WoW for a little while, but then came back to EvE and never looked back. If it gets old for you, just try something else to remind you of all of EvE's glories.
Steppa	Posted - 2005.11.15 00:05:00 - [63] I give SOE props for one thing and one thing only...they had the balls to prototype a massively multiplayer online first person shooter. Say what you want about Planetside, it can be a lot of fun if you're in a good outfit. I don't play anymore simply because I played too much :) and burned myself out. But...it was/is a ground-breaking game. I just can't wait until someone other than SOE comes along with a Planetside-killer.
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.11.15 00:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Steppa I give SOE props for one thing and one thing only...they had the balls to prototype a massively multiplayer online first person shooter. Say what you want about Planetside, it can be a lot of fun if you're in a good outfit. I don't play anymore simply because I played too much :) and burned myself out. But...it was/is a ground-breaking game. I just can't wait until someone other than SOE comes along with a Planetside-killer. I get the feeling what they've done now is combine aspects of KOTOR, Battlefront, and SWG into some sort of FrankenMOG. And it'll only be so long until the villagers burn it, too... The more CCP uses modules to resolve balance issues instead of systemwide rules, the more control CCP will have over how EVE works. CCP, please keep this in mind before swinging the nerfbat.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.15 01:27:00 - [65] eve has a focus and does a good job of what it does
HappyFauter	Posted - 2005.11.26 19:33:00 - [66] i played WoW, SWG and E&B. This is the only game that is remotely balanced, in the end all players are about even to the others. WoW was a good game till they nerfer warriors to death. SWG played, hated it and E&B boring. I jumped on all of these games when they first came out and liked playing them for them most part till the nerf bat was used one to many times. Missles need to be brought in line with the rest of the weopens. Battleship? they can toast any ship out there short range or long. if you dont like it when ppl get up in your face pop the drones and that is that. "mega saved by drones when intercepts came out"
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.26 21:04:00 - [67] Originally by: HappyFauter i played WoW, SWG and E&B. This is the only game that is remotely balanced, in the end all players are about even to the others. WoW was a good game till they nerfer warriors to death. SWG played, hated it and E&B boring. I jumped on all of these games when they first came out and liked playing them for them most part till the nerf bat was used one to many times. Missles need to be brought in line with the rest of the weopens. Battleship? they can toast any ship out there short range or long. if you dont like it when ppl get up in your face pop the drones and that is that. "mega saved by drones when intercepts came out" Forum necromancy is teh bad.
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2005.11.26 21:06:00 - [68] Edited by: Finix Jaeger on 26/11/2005 21:06:06 I've seen alot worse cases of forum necromancy. this one is barely cold ------------------------- Rover Vitesse > Finix, i am not going to go all the way tonight
Gray Carmicheal	Posted - 2005.11.26 21:14:00 - [69] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: hoaps surgery THERE BATTLESHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, am i the only one that understands this? pwning is what there supposed to do, right now a damned tristan can sit 5000 meters away shooting me and i cant touch it with my geddon unless i have a small gun, or smarty, Battleships are the most flexable ships in game. They can do anything, but they can't do everything. The problem is that people set them up for one specific purpose (generally killing other battleships at extreme range) and then cry when they are blown up by someone who comes along in something that isn't a battleship and engages at a not-so-extreme range. One of the things I am terrified about facing in my close-range tempest is a tanked cruiser. The tracking on autocannons is bad enough that if they get into orbit, I'm screwed. So what do I do? Fit 2 webs, a 20k scram and either nos or smartbombs. Voilla, cruiser is completely immobalized (2 webs), can't warp (20k scrambler), can't activate modules (nos) or can't drone me (smart bombs), and I can turn on my autocannons and destroy it in 30 seconds. If it gets within the range of the webs it's dead, if it stays outside it's dead. Funnily enough, that exact same setup can also keep frigates or battleships from getting too close or too far. OMGHAX A FITTING THAT WORKS IN MORE THAN ONE SCENARIO!! That, and BSes are not supposed to be the "I Win" button. SWG has one of those, it's called Jedi. And also, there are still more than 200 people playing PlanetSide. I'd know, I just left it for this becuase it's collapsing upon itself. There were like 400. Maybe more. ________________ <- Hates Whiners and people with generally crappy attitudes. Does not play well with morons.
Frezik	Posted - 2005.11.26 22:36:00 - [70] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Ka Mizu Originally by: SengH Infantry was so a Subspace clone.... but with different gfx and theme. I dont think anyone else remembers that game though. Subspace was ******* fun with 150v150 servers and people fortifying bases. Infantry got a bit cheap with the turrets too though. Subspace ftw :)) Some of us remember Subspace!!!! Whee! I loved that game, still have a boxed copy of it somewhere from way back when it was actually sold in stores. :) Subspace is still around. I wasn't able to play it way back when, but you can download a client for free. There aren't many SVS servers out there anymore, but there's a few. Redundancy's First Law of Game Features: 'When mentioning a feature or change to the playerbase after release, people will generally assume the interpretation they find most controversial.'
Khargos	Posted - 2005.11.26 22:41:00 - [71] Originally by: Gray Carmicheal Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: hoaps surgery THERE BATTLESHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, am i the only one that understands this? pwning is what there supposed to do, right now a damned tristan can sit 5000 meters away shooting me and i cant touch it with my geddon unless i have a small gun, or smarty, Battleships are the most flexable ships in game. They can do anything, but they can't do everything. The problem is that people set them up for one specific purpose (generally killing other battleships at extreme range) and then cry when they are blown up by someone who comes along in something that isn't a battleship and engages at a not-so-extreme range. One of the things I am terrified about facing in my close-range tempest is a tanked cruiser. The tracking on autocannons is bad enough that if they get into orbit, I'm screwed. So what do I do? Fit 2 webs, a 20k scram and either nos or smartbombs. Voilla, cruiser is completely immobalized (2 webs), can't warp (20k scrambler), can't activate modules (nos) or can't drone me (smart bombs), and I can turn on my autocannons and destroy it in 30 seconds. If it gets within the range of the webs it's dead, if it stays outside it's dead. Funnily enough, that exact same setup can also keep frigates or battleships from getting too close or too far. OMGHAX A FITTING THAT WORKS IN MORE THAN ONE SCENARIO!! That, and BSes are not supposed to be the "I Win" button. SWG has one of those, it's called Jedi. And also, there are still more than 200 people playing PlanetSide. I'd know, I just left it for this becuase it's collapsing upon itself. There were like 400. Maybe more. Clearly, The I win button has been raised to titans and dreadnaughts, and even then they are vulnerable to frig swarms, as they should be.
Frezik	Posted - 2005.11.26 22:46:00 - [72] Reading things around here, I am really, really glad I got out a year ago. Over in the New User forum, I posted my reasons for getting out. I think a lot of people who complain about CCP haven't played many other MMOs. CCP is amazing compared to almost every other MMO company out there. Think they don't listen to players? How about the fact that Domis won't be getting damage bonuses to thermal-only. Redundancy's First Law of Game Features: 'When mentioning a feature or change to the playerbase after release, people will generally assume the interpretation they find most controversial.'
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.11.27 00:59:00 - [73] Originally by: hoaps surgery Originally by: Winterblink Were the changes being done really THAT bad? I mean the last time I played the game it seemed so horrifyingly bad that I thought it could only get better from there. 1 word, planetside, there doing exactly what planetside did, and now there is what 200 ppl that still play that game? lots of ppl still play planetside, not as much as before but i thought it was real fun when i tried it
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.11.27 00:59:00 - [74] Originally by: Hoap Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: hoaps surgery the problem is that communication is supposed to go both ways, when ccp posts that they are going to change something thats it, it is done, coded, in the can, and no matter how many tell them there going wrong it still happens, examples are the big torp nerf, and the impending drone slaughter. A fix and a nerf is not the same. Before the missile fix, there were LOTS of threads whining about how even noob raven pilots wtfpwned most npcs with their torps. 60m Arby sieges? Even I had 4 siege launchers on my tempest coz torps was just soo good. And my pest is still outclassed by the raven for npc'ing, at least for belt hopping in 0.0. I think that is a big problem with mmo's if its more powerfull then something else people cry about it untill it gets nerfed, and the missiles were a nerf, i bet EVERYONE would have been happier if instead of chopping down the missiles they put the effort into making the other guns better, increase the RoF on the large projectile weapons so they can compete, increase the tracking of the large guns so that like the missiles they hit every time. but to backstep anything in an mmo is just stupid, u kill what people know. it used to be like this befoe ;p

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