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Iris Bravemount
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
247
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:43:00 -
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Hello there,
I am sure that while some people might enjoy the 0.01 isk war on the market, many more are, like me, annoyed by this mechanic. So here is an idea of mine that could put an end to it and make the undercutting game a bit more meaningful.
I would like to get an undercutting/outbidding threshhold.
That would mean that if you want to undercut (or outbid) someone, you would have to do it by a minimal amount (like 1% difference at least).
If you don't want to undercut/outbid by that amount, then you have to sell/buy at the same price, with the older order being filled first.
Of course, this would only apply to the highest buy / lowest sell order.
Only orders that cover the same area (be it a station or a region) would count of course. Here is an exemple to clarify this:
Player A has set a buy order for 100 isk/u in station 1, limited to that station.
In station 2, player B could set up a regional buy order for 100.01 isk, even if the range includes station one, because player A's order doesn't reach station 2.
If player A wants to outbid player B's order, he would have to raise his price by 1% above player B's price, because station 1 is in range of player B's order.
In short, it would mean that you would have to outbid all the "green" orders by at least 1%. You are free to ignore the "grey" orders.
Of course, this would only transform the 0.01 isk war into a 1% war, but I believe that this would make it a lot more meaningful to undercut someone. A higher threshhold could work to I guess, but it would start to have a significantimpact on the traders' freedom.
Got comments? Better ideas? Don't like it? Any feedback is welcome!
Why active tank bonuses are bad for you |
Tyco Iinuit
Grey Dawn Initiative
18
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:58:00 -
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Oh! What a great idea, then we would have 1 isk outbids, 10 isk outbids and so on. Same problem but differents ammounts. Come on brah! you can try harder |
Iris Bravemount
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
247
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:08:00 -
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Tyco Iinuit wrote:Oh! What a great idea, then we would have 1 isk outbids, 10 isk outbids and so on. Same problem but differents ammounts. Come on brah! you can try harder
Well, on a 200M order, it would be 2M instead of 0.01 isk.
I'm aware that it wouldn't make a big difference on very cheap items, but if you think a 5% or even 10% threshhold would be better, please tell me why.
Why active tank bonuses are bad for you |
Psychoactive Stimulant
TinklePee
13
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:12:00 -
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I've got an idea. Get a calculator (or use the in-game one). And calculate 1% markups on your buys and a 1% markdown on your sells and YOU do what you just suggested.
I don't think anyone would be opposed to you implementing your own fix.
TL;DR, sounds like a personal problem. |
FoxFire Ayderan
56
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:16:00 -
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It's been a policy of mine for quite some time, (here and in other games) to never buy from someone who's undercut the sell price of another by a single ISK or less.
I find it insulting that those people think that THEY should get the sale and the only deal they want to cut me is an extra ISK off the nearest price.
Of course until more people take the policy position I have on such practices, I suppose they will keep doing it.
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Psychoactive Stimulant
TinklePee
13
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:19:00 -
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The way the market works, if you try to buy from the other guy (the dude who was undercut by 0.01 isk) all you're doing is buying from the undercutter and paying that extra 0.01 isk as a tip. Just in case you didn't know.
Not sure how to quote, but this is directed at that dude up thar^ |
Iris Bravemount
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
247
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:20:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
It's been a policy of mine for quite some time, (here and in other games) to never buy from someone who's undercut the sell price of another by a single ISK or less.
I find it insulting that those people think that THEY should get the sale and the only deal they want to cut me is an extra ISK off the nearest price.
Of course until more people take the policy position I have on such practices, I suppose they will keep doing it.
The thing is, if you chose the 0.01 isk more expensive sell order, you are actually buying from the cheaper one, just giving him more money than he asked for.
Edit: @Psychoactive: You were faster, and this is the exact reason why the "do it yourself" method doesn't quite cut it. Also, outbidding by 1% myself doesn't prevent others from outbidding me by 0.01 isk afterwards.
Why active tank bonuses are bad for you |
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1279
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:20:00 -
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When you do that you pay more but it still goes to the person with the lowest price.
You're actually helping those undercutters more.
[url]http://belligerentundesirables.com/[/url] |
Astroniomix
Cryptic Meta-4
481
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:20:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
It's been a policy of mine for quite some time, (here and in other games) to never buy from someone who's undercut the sell price of another by a single ISK or less.
I find it insulting that those people think that THEY should get the sale and the only deal they want to cut me is an extra ISK off the nearest price.
Of course until more people take the policy position I have on such practices, I suppose they will keep doing it.
>E-Honor |
Thandra Thul
Section 8.
Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:20:00 -
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Just put a longer timer on modify orders and be done with it. |
FoxFire Ayderan
56
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:24:00 -
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Iris Bravemount wrote:
The thing is, if you chose the 0.01 isk more expensive sell order, you are actually buying from the cheaper one, just giving him more money than he asked for.
Edit: @Psychoactive: You were faster, and this is the exact reason why the "do it yourself" method doesn't quite cut it. Also, outbidding by 1% myself doesn't prevent other from outbidding me by 0.01 isk afterwards.
Seriously? That's how it works?
That's absolute crap. Why would your purchase go to a different seller when you clicked on someone elses sell order to make the purchase?
That's not right. If that's the case, then THAT needs to change first off.
If I play Lord of the Rings Online and buy from the guy who was undercut by 1 copper piece, then he gets the sale, not the guy who undercut by a measily 1 copper.
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Iris Bravemount
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
247
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:27:00 -
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To be honest, I don't know why it works that way, I just know that it does.
Why active tank bonuses are bad for you |
FoxFire Ayderan
56
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:29:00 -
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The transaction window, when you buy something, shows who the client was.
I'll have to check that out for myself. If that's true, then the client will show the person who had the lowest price getting the sale, and his inventory will reduce by the purchase amount, rather than they guy you thought you were buying from.
Now why would the purchase screen make you pay the higher price, when the guy with the lower price is getting the sale? You'd think it would force you into paying the lowest price.
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Astroniomix
Cryptic Meta-4
481
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:29:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Iris Bravemount wrote:
The thing is, if you chose the 0.01 isk more expensive sell order, you are actually buying from the cheaper one, just giving him more money than he asked for.
Edit: @Psychoactive: You were faster, and this is the exact reason why the "do it yourself" method doesn't quite cut it. Also, outbidding by 1% myself doesn't prevent other from outbidding me by 0.01 isk afterwards.
Seriously? That's how it works? That's absolute crap. Why would your purchase go to a different seller when you clicked on someone elses sell order to make the purchase? That's not right. If that's the case, then THAT needs to change first off. If I play Lord of the Rings Online and buy from the guy who was undercut by 1 copper piece, then he gets the sale, not the guy who undercut by a measily 1 copper.
You aren't buying from a merchant, you are placing a buy order on the market. The market then automatically fills said order with the best sell order it can find that matches whatever criteria you set. |
FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:36:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:
You aren't buying from a merchant, you are placing a buy order on the market. The market then automatically fills said order with the best sell order it can find that matches whatever criteria you set.
Ridiculous. Then one of two things needs to change. Either they have to make your purchase go to the item/seller you clicked on to make the purchase, OR they have to always charge you the lowest price, rather than pay the higher price but have your sale go to the guy who undercut.
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Astroniomix
Cryptic Meta-4
481
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:39:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Ridiculous. Then one of two things needs to change. Either they have to make your purchase go to the item/seller you clicked on to make the purchase, OR they have to always charge you the lowest price, rather than pay the higher price but have your sale go to the guy who undercut.
Why? |
FoxFire Ayderan
57
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:47:00 -
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Because I don't want you getting the sale, if you are only offering a 0.01 ISK discount.
I should be able to make the purchase from the seller I want to buy from.
And if not, then I should not be paying the higher price simply because that's the one I clicked on. If the sale is going to the lowest seller anyway, then that's the price a player should be charged.
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Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:52:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Ridiculous. Then one of two things needs to change. Either they have to make your purchase go to the item/seller you clicked on to make the purchase, OR they have to always charge you the lowest price, rather than pay the higher price but have your sale go to the guy who undercut.
Why?
Because 99% of .01 isking is done by bots. |
Tyco Iinuit
Grey Dawn Initiative
19
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:57:00 -
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INFLATION Brah, you know what It means?
what about usign your mouse wheel to outbid 0.01 isk besides typing it every f**** time?? Maybe you wouldn-Št be so mad
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Astroniomix
Cryptic Meta-4
481
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:59:00 -
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Voith wrote:Astroniomix wrote:FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Ridiculous. Then one of two things needs to change. Either they have to make your purchase go to the item/seller you clicked on to make the purchase, OR they have to always charge you the lowest price, rather than pay the higher price but have your sale go to the guy who undercut.
Why? Because 99% of .01 isking is done by bots.
So ban the bots, real people play .01 isk games too. |
Zircon Dasher
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:01:00 -
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Voith wrote:
Because 99% of .01 isking is done by bots.
citation needed
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:19:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Because I don't want you getting the sale, if you are only offering a 0.01 ISK discount. I should be able to make the purchase from the seller I want to buy from. And if not, then I should not be paying the higher price simply because that's the one I clicked on. If the sale is going to the lowest seller anyway, then that's the price a player should be charged.
That isn't how it works. The market is a broker system, and so if you want to pay more then that is your choice, but the broker will find the lowest available item and sell to it. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
207
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:20:00 -
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I've got no problem buying for the lowest price, or isk games on the market, thing is though unless items with identical performance can somehow have different levels of quality like being more prone to damage from overheating or other effects for poorer quality price is the only guide we have to a good deal.
Tiericide is tiers by another name. |
Alexila Quant
Strategic Acquisitions Group
Tactical Research Lab
72
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:39:00 -
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This is a terrible idea. You obviously don't know anything about economics or market play in Eve. Please crawl back into the hole from whence you came. |
Iris Bravemount
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
247
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:59:00 -
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Alexila Quant wrote:This is a terrible idea. You obviously don't know anything about economics or market play in Eve. Please crawl back into the hole from whence you came.
Enlighten me please. What makes this idea terrible?
Why active tank bonuses are bad for you |
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:59:00 -
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Tyco Iinuit wrote:INFLATION Brah, you know what It means?
what about usign your mouse wheel to outbid 0.01 isk besides typing it every f**** time?? Maybe you wouldn-Št be so mad
Yes, where as you don't.
Inflation is an increase of the money supply, not an increase in prices. |
Psychoactive Stimulant
TinklePee
16
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:01:00 -
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Stick to the contract market if you don't like using brokers, OH WAIT! |
rikifari
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:20:00 -
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This gonna be 0,75% order war. Because with good standings and max skill it will be 0.75% broker fee. And yes, you need to cancel order xD |
Ordellus
ORI Ground Forces
15
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:38:00 -
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+1 to OP.
so called "Market PVP" is ********.... any intelligent group of merchants would create a price floor and be patient.
Oh right... it's a video game that is directly manipulated by CCP, so as much as you want to believe, nothing like an actual economy at all. Therefore, nothing wrong with another form of control over it. |
L Salander
All Web Investigations
30
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Posted - 2013.06.12 07:24:00 -
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Lets say we implemented this idea. How long would it be before OP raced to the forums screaming that he can no longer make a profit because other people put items up cheaper, and in order to undercut them he has to drop millions of isk off his orders
I say all of two hours |
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