Removing local would solve the cloak issue.

CCP has made clear that the cloaking mechanics can't be changed without a major rewrite of a lot code, because of the short-cut they took when implementing it (basically it puts your ship in limbo).

So basically there excuse is they do not want to fix it and leave in a over powered game mechanic?

Remove Local, problem solved. Dont hear much afk cloaking whining from the wh croud. No local seemed to have fixed it for em.

CCP stll needs to do something about cloaks, i mean seriously one click and your invisible for all day, can't do **** cause this one person wants to afk with a cyno rapier in the middle of space

it's ok though, cloak takes no cap and you can't find the person unless he magically decloaks while afk but you know that won't happen while hes in the middle of space and there is noting there


in my opinion cloaks are very op and need a nerf :) like the prices of dreads need a nerf lol

1. Don't be a coward.
2. If he is AFK, he can't actually do anything.
3. He can't decloak while AFK.
4. If you are so genuinely terrified by the threat of a pilot who isn't even at his computer, move to a different system.
5. Heaven forbid you set up bait for him and counter his hotdrop or whatever he is planning. Of course, being AFK, he can't actually do anything anyway.

So basically there excuse is they do not want to fix it and leave in a over powered game mechanic?

not a coward been ratting with him here for past 2 hours, just saying it is broken, for someone being able to sit in the middle of space cloaked and safe,

Personally I'm in favor of removing local in null though. The power-projection through capitals and jump-gates in combination with perfect local, heavily favors the defenders, making null PvP a more stagnant, blobby affair.

Cloak is the only counter to local.

Could you please explain how the ability to be AFK is overpowered compared to, say, being logged off. You still cannot do anything while AFK.

If you manage to die to someone that is AFK then you should probably just quit the game.

CCP needs to do alot, but they won't, for multiple reasons.

It's best to get used to broken mechanics.


Now stop bitching on the forums cos your bots can't farm and you can't pay rent with RMT.

CCP stll needs to do something about cloaks, i mean seriously one click and your invisible for all day, can't do **** cause this one person wants to afk with a cyno rapier in the middle of space

it's ok though, cloak takes no cap and you can't find the person unless he magically decloaks while afk but you know that won't happen while hes in the middle of space and there is noting there


in my opinion cloaks are very op and need a nerf :) like the prices of dreads need a nerf lol

Cry me a river of nullbear tears.

Oh, and this:

IBTL.

You sound like a *****.

go trip on a garden hoe and impale yourself :)

You're upsetting the harmony of the forums and you need to stop.

1. Don't be a coward.
2. If he is AFK, he can't actually do anything.
3. He can't decloak while AFK.
4. If you are so genuinely terrified by the threat of a pilot who isn't even at his computer, move to a different system.
5. Heaven forbid you set up bait for him and counter his hotdrop or whatever he is planning. Of course, being AFK, he can't actually do anything anyway.

Would you find it annoying knowing someone is in the middle of space possibly afk, while your ratting? while in null mind you not high sec derp, no chance of finding him and having to wait hours to kill him cause a cloak does not run on cap or have a timer????

Firstly as above.

Secondly CCP has stated any number of times that cloaking is working as intended and will not be changed.

good loving all the retards replying to this post, feels like Wow community atm

Yes, I'm getting that feeling. You'd probably feel more at home there because you don't belong with us civilised types.

Except for the fact that, as it has been mentioned before in other threads, that wormholes are unique in a variety of ways; you actually have to probe down the wormhole entrance, the wormhole can collapse and reshuffle to another position, and you cannot cyno in a wormhole system, which prevents drops and such.

So, comparing the tired old argument of local/cloaking in lowsec/nullsec vs. wormhole space is pointless given that they are not equal.

-You could rat/mine in strong fleets or multiboxing. Just last week on of my alliance mates was doing anomalies with 3 Domis when a Tengu appeared and cyno'd in a gang. His 3 remote rep domis survived while killing a tengu and a talos and make the rest of them run away.

-You can rat in warp core stabbed FoF missile or drone ships. I do this a lot with a raven with 2 warp core stabs, and have done so in the past with a tengu with 2 warp core stabs and the interdiction nullifier sub system. Works with Domis and Rattlesnakes and Gilas too That way if a cloaky uncloacks and tries to point you, unless he has more than 1 scram on (or is in a HIC, which can't warp cloaked), you are IMMUNE from being tackled (the tengu is immune from being bubbled lol).

-You could rat with a Carrier at the edge of a pos shield assigning fighters + a tanked transport like an Impel. The Impel gets +2 warp strength like a Venture so add 1 warp stab and the other 6 lows are armor tank, Target painter in the mid, remote rep of some kind in the high if you can fit to emergency repair the fighters, or a tractor beam for loot since you got a lot of cargo hold lol.

-you could leave system and rat somewhere else (even works for renters going to totally unclaimed null space, the landlords tend to not mind).

-You can even bait the cloaky and kill it if/when it uncloaks (and if it never uncloaks, you know the guy was bluffing.

thanks for the link, and nice no kills at all, go crawl into your high sec hubs

Would you find it annoying knowing someone is in the middle of space possibly afk, while your ratting? while in null mind you not high sec derp, no chance of finding him and having to wait hours to kill him cause a cloak does not run on cap or have a timer????

You sound like a little ***** you really should stop posting.

i have one account dumb **** if i was botting i'd have many in high sec doing ice belts like all the others, well till they removed them, don't like my opinion go trip on a garden hoe and impale yourself :)

After being for so many years
the life and soul of the party
it's weird
I'm invisible
Whatever I
have said and done
doesn't matter in this chatter
and hum
I'm invisible

I'm here
but you can't see me
I'm invisible
It's *****
how gradually
I've become
invisible

Look at me
the absentee
disappearing finally
Goodbye
Is it magic or the truth?
Strange psychology?
Or justified
by the end of youth?

Can you hear me?
Can you see me?
Am I really even here?

It's too late
to find an excuse
The party's over
and I'm not much use
tonight
Am I tragic or a joke
wrapped in my invisibility cloak?
Well, quite.

I'm here
but you can't see me
I'm invisible
It's *****
how gradually
I've become
invisible

It's a journey so they say
but in this desert I was only a hazy, lazy mirage anyway
I'm invisible

If you had one acct, then you wouldn't be bitching about a random cloaky alt and just move 1 system over.

Now, stop your bitching and let the "AFK" cloaky hot drop a few dudes on your botting......eerrrr "mining" operation.

No, I won't. I enjoy making ISK with someone watching that doesn't want me to make ISK. Especially when they are cloaked up and unable to stop me. It is your own FEAR holding you back. I take great enjoyment in ratting with a cloaky in local while everybody else cowers in their POSes and stations.

sad cause i don't play wow lol

killing rats for the 3rd time, guess some can't read

If thats the case, then why are you crying about a single cloaked player? You claim he's not affecting you, and he's doing jack all himself if he's cloaked or afk, so ... why the tears, friend?

Life and death, light and darkness, hope and despair. The rift was created, and on that day, the Ori were born. But the hatred of those who strayed from the true path festered and bloomed in the dark corners of the Avernakis to which they have been cast! And consumed by this hatred, they poisoned all they touched, bringing death, darkness and despair. And the souls of their victims knew no peace, until the Ori came and whispered to them: 'Sleep, for the end draws near!' And on that day all will rejoice, when the Ori come and lay them low.

it's ok though, cloak takes no cap and you can't find the person unless he magically decloaks while afk but you know that won't happen while hes in the middle of space and there is noting there

The Ori are space Christians who fly ships that look like toilets.



That is all

The only people who AFK Cloaking truely effects are bots.

By complaining about AFK Cloaking, OP has admitted to botting.

CCP, Investigate OP for botting and apply banhammer liberally.

yes they are lol

Cloak is the only counter to local.

Would you find it annoying knowing someone is in the middle of space possibly afk, while your ratting? while in null mind you not high sec derp, no chance of finding him and having to wait hours to kill him cause a cloak does not run on cap or have a timer????

I didn't read the thread, but I have to agree with the title. CCP does need to do something. I should be able to target lock while cloaked, uncloak and fire all the weapons, then immediately recloak. At least then people would have something legitimate to complain about.

Btw, I live in low sec and afk cloaked ships are not a problem

So basically there excuse is they do not want to fix it and leave in a over powered game mechanic?

Yes they are different, but many aspects of the comparison still hold true.

You don't need hotdrops in WH space because you can sneak an entire cloaky fleet in undetected. I'd say hotdrops are a side efffect of local as well, trying to storm in from a gate spikes local giving people time to react.

Yea wormholes collapse, others show up. Unless you want to sit inside all day from downtime there is generally no way to be absolutely sure you are alone in a system.

Bottom line however is that WH folk have learned how to deal with these situations and manage to leave their POS shields anyway.

The only people who AFK Cloaking truely effects are bots.

By complaining about AFK Cloaking, OP has admitted to botting.

CCP, Investigate OP for botting and apply banhammer liberally.

Well, you can do one of several things.

A) Absolutely nothing, ship spin, etc.
B) Move somewhere else if possible.
C) Try to bait him out.

Of course, B and C require effort to actually be put into motion instead of alt-tabbing to your out of game browser waiting for him to leave.

Very true.

On the other hand, for all of those people to come through the wormhole, they need to find it and smuggle there way in first; this can be observed by someone with an observing character in a cloaked ship on the wormhole, which gives time to react in such a situation. Whereas in nullsec, they can be in an entirely different region sitting on a titan/black ops battleship waiting for the cyno lighter to say that they are ready, and suddenly you have ships everywhere without the possibility of knowing that they were forming up.

Again, nullsec and wormhole space cannot really be compared to each other because they were built and designed differently from each other, and removing local from the game won't fix the problem, as it is a very shortsighted "fix".

[quote=Hans Zwaardhandler]D.) Say F-U and continue doing what you want...using PvP ships.

cause pvp ships are good for all tasks in eve ...

Just pretend there's no local and ignore it, seems to be what all the nullbears want anyways.

No one complains about afk cloakers in WH space because no one knows they exist.

D.) Say F-U and continue doing what you want...using PvP ships.


Removing local will fix it.

As then nobody would even know there is an AFK cloaky in system.
But then again, carebears will again complain that their intel channels are useless if nobody sees fleets come in.

D.) Say F-U and continue doing what you want...using PvP ships.


Removing local will fix it.

As then nobody would even know there is an AFK cloaky in system.
But then again, carebears will again complain that their intel channels are useless if nobody sees fleets come in.

PvP ships yes, removing local no on the basis of what people has already been pointed out.

By the way, ohai JP.

I am guessing you dont live in null.

Very true.

On the other hand, for all of those people to come through the wormhole, they need to find it and smuggle there way in first; this can be observed by someone with an observing character in a cloaked ship on the wormhole, which gives time to react in such a situation. Whereas in nullsec, they can be in an entirely different region sitting on a titan/black ops battleship waiting for the cyno lighter to say that they are ready, and suddenly you have ships everywhere without the possibility of knowing that they were forming up.

Again, nullsec and wormhole space cannot really be compared to each other because they were built and designed differently from each other, and removing local from the game won't fix the problem, as it is a very shortsighted "fix".

Removing local means people aren't aware of what is with them in system unless they actually try to gather intel.
Without you knowing about that AFK guy...you don't care.

But of course, all the null people will complain cause it makes their intel channels covering half of EVE useless.
Guess what, it is still a fix. It just means people have to something else then just watch local and post it in intel channels.

Afk cloaking working as intended

Yes they are different, but many aspects of the comparison still hold true.

You don't need hotdrops in WH space because you can sneak an entire cloaky fleet in undetected. I'd say hotdrops are a side efffect of local as well, trying to storm in from a gate spikes local giving people time to react.

Yea wormholes collapse, others show up. Unless you want to sit inside all day from downtime there is generally no way to be absolutely sure you are alone in a system.

Bottom line however is that WH folk have learned how to deal with these situations and manage to leave their POS shields anyway.

You guys posting here act like you never lived in null and never for a corp that cares about their KB. In most corps you can be kicked if you loose something to a cloaky. SOP for most corps to stay POS/docked up to prevent possible loss. So you go play your alt.

I agree with the OP. Interaction should be required to remain cloaked.

love how i go afk and there are over 3 more pages lol

See?

This.

If I sit in a WH cloaked up...does it mean that the WH residents will act differently...not at all
What if a 50 man fleet is there somewhere off D-scan...no change

Now let's apply same example on null-sec.

first one: People complain about cloaky campers
second: People will not even think about undocking.

love how i go afk and there are over 3 more pages lol

not a coward been ratting with him here for past 2 hours, just saying it is broken, for someone being able to sit in the middle of space cloaked and safe,

Except in the first example, they don't even know that they have guests in their area.

Whereas in nullsec, you'd be hardpressed to get people to go out and do stuff with fifty people in local because you might as well buy ships and modules off of market and hit the trash button.

Did you put your cloak on or were you decloaked?

You act as if the only way you can pve in nullsec is with minmaxed pve turdboats.

That's not the case, semi-pvp fit ships can do the job just fine. It might be a bit less efficient, but thats the trade off for the added safety.

Or you can continue PVEing in minmaxed ships if you like, just don't be surprised when you're up a creek without a paddle when someone commences pvp

No i was docked up like you

cause pvp ships are good for all tasks in eve ...

[quote=E-2C Hawkeye]And I never complained or was bothered with cloaky campers. It's knowing how to use D-scan...

You just are like all the typical carebears in null that complain when they can't make their ISK.

You don't even know you have guest around...cause there is no local

now minimize local in null-sec....you have W space system, if you don't see them...they aren't there

But. Carebears don't like that, it messes up their sense of security.

CCP stll needs to do something about AFK cloaking threads

Nullbaby whining about cloaky alts? Can't bear in peace? Delicious tears ahahahahahahhaah
That's like when high sec miners whine about suicide ganker alts, hilarious.
Working as intended get friends to protect you when you mine/rat, deal with it., if anything CCP should buff cloaks.

Depends what your trying to get me to seeeeee

CCP stll needs to do something about cloaks, i mean seriously one click and your invisible for all day, can't do **** cause this one person wants to afk with a cyno rapier in the middle of space

it's ok though, cloak takes no cap and you can't find the person unless he magically decloaks while afk but you know that won't happen while hes in the middle of space and there is noting there


in my opinion cloaks are very op and need a nerf :) like the prices of dreads need a nerf lol

Very true.

On the other hand, for all of those people to come through the wormhole, they need to find it and smuggle there way in first; this can be observed by someone with an observing character in a cloaked ship on the wormhole, which gives time to react in such a situation. Whereas in nullsec, they can be in an entirely different region sitting on a titan/black ops battleship waiting for the cyno lighter to say that they are ready, and suddenly you have ships everywhere without the possibility of knowing that they were forming up.

Again, nullsec and wormhole space cannot really be compared to each other because they were built and designed differently from each other, and removing local from the game won't fix the problem, as it is a very shortsighted "fix".

Posting in I'm scared of afk players No. 14235

Get off your alt high sec bear

Posting from a indy character with no combat skills and stays in high sec

You do know that if you grab a group of corp members...you can rat in PvP ships.

I have done it in the past with group of stealth bombers.

Okay, you ahve to share the bounties...so carebears won't like that idea.

Not a bear, not living in high sec.
More tears please, I might be cloaky in your ss right now.
Cloak is working as intended, cry more ahahah.

Removing local would solve the cloak issue.

and mine in your pvp ships
and haul in your pvp ships
and you can only play when a bunch of friends are on

all because 1 toon is in local and could be afk (no threat) or could be ready to hotdrop a well equiped fleet on your ass (big threat)

you have to assume the latter if you are wise or frugal or in tune with murphys law -- so now 1 toon with no cost to themselves forces a whole bunch of other peple to adapt to their presence - with no risk to themselves, to no cost to themselves, without having to have pvp ships or corp m8s .. because of their potential threat. over powered indeed.

and mine in your pvp ships
and haul in your pvp ships
and you can only play when a bunch of friends are on

all because 1 toon is in local and could be afk (no threat) or could be ready to hotdrop a well equiped fleet on your ass (big threat)

you have to assume the latter if you are wise or frugal or in tune with murphys law -- so now 1 toon with no cost to themselves forces a whole bunch of other peple to adapt to their presence - with no risk to themselves, to no cost to themselves, without having to have pvp ships or corp m8s .. because of their potential threat. over powered indeed.

right Alt, i am waiting for you to unclock lol

Posting in I'm scared of afk players No. 14235

How is your isk efficiency bro? Ahahahahah

But you just said "and you can only play when a bunch of friends are on" suggesting you are operating on your own




People drop carriers and blops on your single retriever a lot, do they?

I sometiems operate on my own - because not everyone plays at the same time and i have windows of time that I have due to RL, family, work, wife, child, cat aggro .. so i play when i play .. and if corp is on they on and we support each other, and they are not I dont just station spin till they show up.

I have not been blopped but that does not mean it does not happen. I hear tales of woe from my fellow nullbears daily.

and how do you know they are afk ?

you cant - you have to assume they are active, and ready to hotdrop you with a fleet of scary ships with experienced pilots and a capable FC. And as there is no way to know you have to prepare for the worst least you get burned, lose a ton of isk and get ridiculed by your alliance and corpmates.

CCP stll needs to do something about cloaks, i mean seriously one click and your invisible for all day, can't do **** cause this one person wants to afk with a cyno rapier in the middle of space

it's ok though, cloak takes no cap and you can't find the person unless he magically decloaks while afk but you know that won't happen while hes in the middle of space and there is noting there


in my opinion cloaks are very op and need a nerf :) like the prices of dreads need a nerf lol

Preparing for the worst does not include sitting in a station.

Preparing for the worst means getting all of your corp/alliance mates operating within a couple of systems radius to be in gang, organized and ready to PVP while they are going about their normal business. When word comes that a hot drop is in progress they need to be able to respond instantly, with a designated FC ready to take command.

I'll say this as gently as possible, you really need to start thinking like a predator instead of thinking like prey.

and how do you know they are afk ?

you cant - you have to assume they are active, and ready to hotdrop you with a fleet of scary ships with experienced pilots and a capable FC. And as there is no way to know you have to prepare for the worst least you get burned, lose a ton of isk and get ridiculed by your alliance and corpmates.

Why would anyone waste the jump fuel hotdropping a single retreiver though?

Nullbaby, where did that bad PvP guy touch you?

You do know that EVE is an MMO and is intended to be played with friends...stop playing alone.

You do know that null-sec should be hostile...

And please, tell me which group would drop an entire fleet on your single ratting ship / mining barge?

and how do you know they are afk ?

you cant - you have to assume they are active, and ready to hotdrop you with a fleet of scary ships with experienced pilots and a capable FC. And as there is no way to know you have to prepare for the worst least you get burned, lose a ton of isk and get ridiculed by your alliance and corpmates.

duno about retreivers, and dont know about single ships... -but you would have to ask the hot dropers why they might drop on a few hulks, rat sec and haulers. i would assume they like to kill stuff to feel good about themselves and pad their stats .. duno - i have yet to get my mind, as empathetic as i am, into the mindset of the rapid pvp griefers that seem to exist.

Preparing for the worst does not include sitting in a station.

Preparing for the worst means getting all of your corp/alliance mates operating within a couple of systems radius to be in gang, organized and ready to PVP while they are going about their normal business. When word comes that a hot drop is in progress they need to be able to respond instantly, with a designated FC ready to take command.

I'll say this as gently as possible, you really need to start thinking like a predator instead of thinking like prey.

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THERE ARE CLOAKS?

You dont pve in pvp fitted ships, if you do, you're wasting your time.

Sometimes, the EVE forum community reminds me of jail.

Back when my career started, I worked in a county jail as a Guard so I got to deal with inmates daily. 1st day of training my training officer took me around the various units with a cart to do "Med Call" where we'd give the inmates pain relievers, cold/sinus pills, anti-tich cream, whatever.. The inmates were in open bays rather than cells and us guard would walk the hallways between bays. At med call a line would form at the window to the hallway.

I asked the 1st inmate in line what he wanted and he said "Asprin and Cold Busters". I started to hand them to him and the training officer stopped me. He said "never hand it to them, pour a cup of water, put the pills in the water, wait 30 seconds then give it to them, Make sure they drink down the pills before you move on to the next". After Med call I asked him why.

He told me that the inmates would take the pills and hoard them and make stronger drugs, or crush them up, mix them with tobacco, roll it up and smoke it to get high......

Later I watched inmates make grilled cheese sandwich with Clothes Irons, watched one dude make a coffee heating element out of a broken light bulb and a piece of wire (the coffee given to inmates for breakfast was usually cold by the time it made it to the last bays), I saw all kinds of creativity and ingenuity, as well as scams, lying and complaining. mostly complaining, about the "man", the police, society, the laws, etc etc.

I learned something about them. If those same creative inmates put that creativity to good use rather than being freaking criminals, every single one of them would not only be free, they'd be rich, and not just regular rich, but BILL GATES rich..

If these people complaining about some game feature that negatively affects them spent more time on figuring things out and less time complaining about it on a forum, there'd be no cloaky camping because it would be less than useless.

See the bolded text. Dont be so obtuse


You said you feared being hot dropped while on your own


Would YOU waste the fuel to kill your single ship?

i wouldnt - you wouldnt .. but amazingly some people do - and i think its just for giggles.

its amazing how many cyno fit cloakies are rolling around in my kneck of the woods.. maybe they are all looking for carriers rating .. not 100% sure what they are thinking about

on a side note i do sometimes mine with one mackinaw - never gets touched as the hostiles assume its a trap

Sometimes, the EVE forum community reminds me of jail.

Back when my career started, I worked in a county jail as a Guard so I got to deal with inmates daily. 1st day of training my training officer took me around the various units with a cart to do "Med Call" where we'd give the inmates pain relievers, cold/sinus pills, anti-tich cream, whatever.. The inmates were in open bays rather than cells and us guard would walk the hallways between bays. At med call a line would form at the window to the hallway.

I asked the 1st inmate in line what he wanted and he said "Asprin and Cold Busters". I started to hand them to him and the training officer stopped me. He said "never hand it to them, pour a cup of water, put the pills in the water, wait 30 seconds then give it to them, Make sure they drink down the pills before you move on to the next". After Med call I asked him why.

He told me that the inmates would take the pills and hoard them and make stronger drugs, or crush them up, mix them with tobacco, roll it up and smoke it to get high......

Later I watched inmates make grilled cheese sandwich with Clothes Irons, watched one dude make a coffee heating element out of a broken light bulb and a piece of wire (the coffee given to inmates for breakfast was usually cold by the time it made it to the last bays), I saw all kinds of creativity and ingenuity, as well as scams, lying and complaining. mostly complaining, about the "man", the police, society, the laws, etc etc.

I learned something about them. If those same creative inmates put that creativity to good use rather than being freaking criminals, every single one of them would not only be free, they'd be rich, and not just regular rich, but BILL GATES rich..

If these people complaining about some game feature that negatively affects them spent more time on figuring things out and less time complaining about it on a forum, there'd be no cloaky camping because it would be less than useless.

Preparing for the worst does not include sitting in a station.

Preparing for the worst means getting all of your corp/alliance mates operating within a couple of systems radius to be in gang, organized and ready to PVP while they are going about their normal business. When word comes that a hot drop is in progress they need to be able to respond instantly, with a designated FC ready to take command.

I'll say this as gently as possible, you really need to start thinking like a predator instead of thinking like prey.

And here I thought the jail analogy was about the forums being full of sodomy and random shanking...

So much effort to bung a point or two on an armour Cane

The Sodomy and random shanking happens in game.

Flying a suboptimal ship(for the job) is no good either.

Flying a suboptimal ship(for the job) is no good either.

Flying a suboptimal ship(for the job) is no good either.

Funny how everybody is against AFK playstyles when we're talking mining, missioning and ratting etc. but almost nobody is against the cloakers playing the game, AFK.

One would think that the argument used against miners and ratters - that if you play this game (when in your ship in Space), you should always be at the keyboard, would have to be an argument that in generel applied to every player, nomatter what ship they sat in. But as always, it only applies to the other players and there playstyle, not to you and your playstyle.

But I don't make ISK being AFK one would assume would be the next argument - but its not about making ISK or not - its about playing the game. You might not gain free ISK but you do gain a free advantage.
The whole qustion also clash with another principle argument in the game - Risk vs. reward. You, your corp and alliance get a reward at almost no risk.

But hey. I don't live in null and frankly don't really care about the whole mess. I just made some opservation reading forum threads about the thing and just wanted to put forward my thoughts.

Or putting a 1 hour max time depending on skills works too, lol ace menda, nice 5 kills past 3 months,talk about carebear

thing i find funny is most of the "hostiles" in local never fight, i am guessing they must be risk adverse too. they want their pvp kills on a platter, and in that reagrd the afk claoky is actually a problem .. to that end i think all the player rats should support the anti afk cloaky movement.

if there wernt afk cloakies .. then all the nullbears would be out and about at their nullbear picnics, providing more targets of opportunity for the hostiles.

perahps afk cloakers are actually in place due to blue alliance leadership to keep their nullbears safe and not living in ignorance of their true danger out in null sec from the roaming pvp wolves.

just saying ...

A better solution would be making them scannable with special probes and a good deal of time. That would prevent the AFK cloaking but still allow active players the benefit of cloak.

CCP stll needs to do something about cloaks, i mean seriously one click and your invisible for all day, can't do **** cause this one person wants to afk with a cyno rapier in the middle of space

it's ok though, cloak takes no cap and you can't find the person unless he magically decloaks while afk but you know that won't happen while hes in the middle of space and there is noting there


in my opinion cloaks are very op and need a nerf :) like the prices of dreads need a nerf lol

And you sir are a ****** posting with an alt cause you are scared someone will find you.

I've lived in null for over 2 years.
And I never complained or was bothered with cloaky campers. It's knowing how to use D-scan...

You just are like all the typical carebears in null that complain when they can't make their ISK.

Just pretend there's no local and ignore it, seems to be what all the nullbears want anyways.

No one complains about afk cloakers in WH space because no one knows they exist.

CCP Fozzie said in a pre-odyssey stream that they will be looking at the cloaking mechanic sometime in the future.

Thank you....I posted that link in the last thread. No one wants to acknowledge it because then that would be admitting it is a issue needing attention.

Paraphrasing CCP Soundwave: "No one has ever died to an AFK cloaker." Meaning, if they are AFK, how can they be a threat?

Learn how to deal with it (it's not that hard to get a cloaky camper to leave), or go to high sec.

Cloak whiners need to be perma banned from EVE, The Forums, The Internet, and owning a computer at all....

You are wrong, people complain about afk isk income, that has nothing to do with being afk in game.
Using your flawed logic CCP should implement an anti afk timer (let's say 10 min) that kick you from the game if you don't move/shoot something right?
There is nothing wrong with people being afk just fot the sake of being afk.

a) they are a threat because they could come back from afk and become active and warp cloaked to your location . decloak and be shooting your or blopping you at any time ... now? how about now ? They might be afk or they might not - one can not tell so one has to assume they are not. This is so **** simple I am flabergasted that anyone with half a brain doesnt see this.

b) how can you make a cloaky camper do anything .. they are cloaked and we are all helpless to do anything about it if the camper choses to stay there . We could all quit eve , but if they wanted o they could still be claokjed in that system , day after day. All the power laws with the camper.

c) even the cloaky camper doesnt want us to all go back to high sec .. that would remove their purpose from life .

Fair point.




Are AFK Cloakers more dangerous than AFK station lurkers?

No it wouldnt.

Even AFK ships can move

Apparently so as afk station lurkers are afraid to undock with afk cloakers in the system.

Communication between the two parties is still dark...

Ahh well botting is a problem in and of itself, if that was what you are referring to. True if players were afk warping between two points it would not be possible to lock em down under my plan.

I was actually anticipating something along the lines of how Admiral Kirk hunted down that cloaky bird of prey. Scan for emissions then deploy a weapon capable of exposing the cloaked ship. Then in the blast you would be able to hit them.

That would seem to do the trick, perhaps. I am always in favor of in game solutions rather than hard coded limits, like an arbitrary time limit on cloak deployment. This would be subject to botting anyway.

I dunno...


I dont like using the market with AFK station lurkers in the station


What if they silently watch me place a buy order?!