give them 50% reduction in Signature Radius Penalty from Microwarp Drives role bonus
if it worked for AF-s then they should work for marauders too :)

if i werent trying to keep this post and my name clean i would bring out my cussing sailor side.

stay the hell away from me with that t3 crap. we need to purge them from game not bring in more.
i dont care about how usefull they are or what u prefer...make a t3 bs in eve 2.0, but stay away from my marauders...

frankly, i agree. as much as i love my tengu and loki, they are not necessarily a good addition to the game overall.

also, a cruiser can perform in many roles and with all the current subsystems T3s are covering (read: dominating) most of them. a battleship on the other hand is meant for, well, battle. how many meaningful choices can you possibly bake into battleship subsystems?

I agree with this.

That being said, I believe these ships seriously need a hook.

Tanking and DPS have been done to death, and are not special. They are expected in any ship called a battleship.

This is called a Marauder. The concept behind the name deserves recognition.
A raiding ship, designed to operate with or without fleet support.
Any ship can work well with numbers, this one should be also functional as a threat without numbers.

What special ability can you give the ship, that is not already done to death by the T1 or faction hulls already?
The Black Ops, for example, is hardly a completed concept, but it has a distinctive role that justifies it's existence as a T2 BS hull. No pirate or navy hull duplicates this class.

The Marauder should have something comparable to that.

Well we have all those "prototype" inferno modules to work with here that are BS only

Target spectrum breaker
MJD
Reactive armour hardeners
Ancillary shield booster
Ancillary armour repairer

Well we have all those "prototype" inferno modules to work with here that are BS only

Target spectrum breaker
MJD
Reactive armour hardeners
Ancillary shield booster
Ancillary armour repairer

On that basis let's use them on a racial level

Vargur: -5% duration and cooldown for MJD per level
Kronos: -5% repair paste consumed per cycle per level
Golem: +10% ASB capacity per level (more charges)
Paladin: -5% capacitor use and cycle time, +1%/level resistance bonus to reactive armour hardener

Vargur becomes more mobile, kronos tanks longer, golem tanks longer, paladin gets tougher.

Perhaps allow marauders to fit bomb launchers?

More agile?
Slightly faster?
-50% sig bloom with MWD running definitely
Scan res not lower than 150 natively. It's awful hard to maraude without being able to lock anything quickly.

I do not support any native HP bonuses or resist bonuses or DPS increases for these ships. It's more important to me to make them more viable for use outside of L4's than it is to give them bigger numbers and cross thine fingers.

what about an AOE web? give it the same range and restrictions as a dictor...immobile, huge sig, no rr...
>=)

Marauder role bonus:
* doesn't show up on local,
* very difficult to scan down (i.e. isn't identified as a ship via probes until scan strength is very high)

This would make Marauders marauders in terms of PvP, and would encourage the use of Marauders for non-high-sec PvE.)

Just spent the last several hours using bombers on SISI. Bombs are definitely staying at the top of my list of recommended changes. They're not as strong as people claim especially seeing as you'll have to manually aim your big dumb battleship to hit anything.

I'm pretty sure the issue with mines is a server-side performance thing. They did used to exist, they're apparently unfeasible from a technical viewpoint.

Well, given that CCP is overhauling warfare links, and Marauders have utility high slots...

unless marauders gained 5% bonuses to links where would the incentive to fly one over a command ship or T3 be present? that's also before considering that command ships I think take even longer to train in to than marauders...

I think that the discussions on marauders have pretty much come full circle. the RR bonus proposal has surfaced again. this is not a niche that needs filling I think. there are t2 logi ships for this or even umder the current stats you can use the high slots for remote energy transfer to generate free cap for the local repa to consume.

I really feel that a bomb launcher is the best thing for marauders in the effort to push them out of highsec and in to null. instead of 100% range bonus for tractor beams you get 100% bonus for bomb range. things like this add more value because theres less overlap with other ships unlike rr where there's already ways to do it