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Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.14 23:43:00 - [1] - Quote Good evening, I've noticed a lot of knowledgeable people in this part of forums, who speak of things I understand about a fourth of. Maybe some of you can lend me a hand. I'm a trader. I do nothing else, but speculate and push people (or get pushed) around in markets. The only other activity I've tried was mining, and I found it a relaxing, fitting activity between market order updates. Since I've been berated for being a silly donkey to even consider mining, I've decided to (also) try some PvE missioning. This raises me a question: what is the easiest, most relaxing ship to do such grind? Not dying for 5 minutes when I have to alt-tab due to Boss aggro would be one of priorities. Efficiency and speed is not important at all.
Klymer Hedion University Amarr Empire 269	Posted - 2013.06.15 02:02:00 - [2] - Quote Drake then SNI Brick tank them and then sit back and let their missiles chew through everything.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2889	Posted - 2013.06.15 02:05:00 - [3] - Quote Agree with Klymer on the SNI. Pirate Factions literally get bored shooting at its tank.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 8288	Posted - 2013.06.15 03:04:00 - [4] - Quote Might be helpful if you guys posted the correct name of the ship instead of some acronym / abbreviation. Probably should post a basic fit up as well. Also this is a trader / market character so her combat / pilot skills are probably low. DMC
Mykal Day Anal Cactii Assaulters Brothers of Tangra 0	Posted - 2013.06.15 03:13:00 - [5] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Might be helpful if you guys posted the correct name of the ship instead of some acronym / abbreviation. Probably should post a basic fit up as well. Also this is a trader / market character so her combat / pilot skills are probably low. DMC With low skill or isk available fly the Drake. Its dps will be low but I would think no other hull can run L4's with as low SP as the drake. Fit something like: meta 4 launchers drone link in the extra higk slot ( I think it has one) 2x large shield extenders Specific shield hardeners 2x shield power relays 2x ballistic control units 3x medium field purgers. 5x light scout drones Your dps will be low but that's the nature of the drake. You can easily tank L4's with that setup.
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 241	Posted - 2013.06.15 03:38:00 - [6] - Quote A dualrep cap stable Dominix sounds like what you want, basically something like this: [Dominix, Dual Rep L4] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Drone Link Augmentor II 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 I understand your skills are low but you don't need to fit it exactly like this, its just a template, the only thing I'd say is a requirement is the Tech 2 tank modules and tech 2 cap rechargers, which isn't a very long train, closely followed by Tech 2 Sentry drones, which while isn't a requirement, is a massive upgrade over T1 sentry drones, the guns are just there to fill your highs and you can put anything in those that your skills allow. You should also have enough cap skills so that you can run your tank capstable (Energy Management IV & Energy Systems Operation IV). Once you have Tech 2 Tank/Cap rechargers you should have a massive cap stable tank (500dps tank at worst against Angels) which means you can alt tab alt with little fear of dying, your drones will continue shooting even without you actively managing them which is another plus. However with new drone aggro mechanics you may lose your drones if you don't pull them in before alt tabbing as the rats may kill them while you're not looking. Another option is a Micro Jump Drive fit where you'd use it to jump away from the mission rats range so they do minimal damage to you but that requires more interaction than this setup and if you alt tab for extended periods the NPCs can close distance and put you in a tough spot if your tank is failing, my setup is pretty much turn on tank and forget. In the end you need some skill investment to do L4s in a decent amount of time, Drake is pretty much the lowest skill option but it's painfully slow and you need to actively manage your weapons, also with really low skills the Drake will struggle to break the tanks of the harder mission rats.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2890	Posted - 2013.06.15 04:18:00 - [7] - Quote This is what I came up with for a lazy mission runner: [Scorpion Navy Issue, Scorpion NI Cap Tank] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Garde II x2 Hobgoblin II x5 Capstable, but you will find that the applied dps isn't quite optimal on anything smaller than a BS. You can downgrade the booster as per your wallet. Switch to t1 missiles or precisions depending on skills. Dato's Domi is quite viable. Might have more applied dps than my Scorp.
imbaRabbit Suddenly rabbit 27	Posted - 2013.06.15 08:48:00 - [8] - Quote And this is my Raven fit. Never got an issue, even against hardest missions against Serpentis (hardest because of sensor dampening) because I got outside of their dampening range. ============================================== * High-power: 6 x Cruise Missile Launcher II * Mid-power: Large Micro Jump Drive Large Shield Booster 3 x Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron 2 x Sensor Booster, Targeting Range Script * Low-power: 4 x Ballistic Control System II, 1 x Damage Control Unit II. Rigs: 2 x Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I, 1 x Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I. ============================================== Let's talk about the fit a bit. I have all missile skills to level five (all except Cruise Missile Spec. which is on level IV). I'm using the T1 cruise missiles, but I could easily just move from the T1 to T2 missiles. That would increase DPS from 879 up to 1128 DPS including with drones. Pure missile DPS from 711 to 996. But me being cheap as I am, I just use T1. You can place the Drone Link Augmentor on the last high-power slot, but I don't need that since I really don't like to have my drones wander away from my drone bay range due to aggression from NPCs. You can place the Tractor Beam just in case you miss your MJD cycle and go to far away from the wreck\cargo container which is mission objective. In case you don't have the skills, you can use the 'Arbalest' Cruise Missile Launcher I, instead of T2 version. As you can see, I have just the Large Shield Booster as my tank. I'll replace that with 100MN afterburner or some kind of other module since I really don't need it in few missions. The NPCs have the scram module, but it does not seem it stops the Large Micro Jump Drive from cycling. I thought that it does, but it does not (obviously it's not scram what NPCs have but it's disruptor). The target painters are useful for the cruisers and frigates. When battleship is in range, only one target painter needs to be applied because you're not getting any more damage projected if you add all three. The sensor boosters with targeting range script will enable you to PEW-PEW from 220 KM which is extremely fun! No skill what-so-ever. Low slots are classic ... I have no clue why I have DCU because I don't need it, but that's probably because the fifth ballistic does not add so much DPS. Maybe I'll go for the Nanofiber or some other module which will increase my speed for a bit :P. Every little thing counts for this slow-poke of a ship. What do you have to care about: - Angel , EoM , Guristas battleships have cruise missiles fit and they'll hit you from range. If you have a lot of them against you, you could lose the one Target painter, and just keep the two of them with one shield hardener and one shield booster. They have never got enough damage on me, but hey ... Until you get used to the ship, you can over-tank it and you have every right to do so. As you will play more and more , you'll see how you can strip the mid slots for some utilities. If you go against Guristas, I would tank my ship a lot better since they'll hit me anyway. - Instantly when you come in a room, turn around and activate the MJD. You'll go on a safe range and that's all to it. If there are more pockets in the mission, then you'll have to make sure that you're within 100 KM away from the gate, so when you clean the room, that you can return to the gate with one MJD cycle. - Use MJD wisely, don't forget that it has "long" cooldown (3 minutes). If you use MJD after you've cleaned the room, you will find yourself in bit of a trouble in second pocket if you're not going to be able to MJD and they'll apply heavy damage. - I would not use this fit against Guristas due to the heavy damage. Tank the ship better. Look at this site for the NPC damage types: http://www.ogrank.com/content/view/698/59/. I think I've covered all, if not I'll come back and edit the post.
ExcalibursTemplar Citadel Enterprises 0	Posted - 2013.06.15 10:02:00 - [9] - Quote Jivvust wrote: Good evening, I've noticed a lot of knowledgeable people in this part of forums, who speak of things I understand about a fourth of. Maybe some of you can lend me a hand. I'm a trader. I do nothing else, but speculate and push people (or get pushed) around in markets. The only other activity I've tried was mining, and I found it a relaxing, fitting activity between market order updates. Since I've been berated for being a silly donkey to even consider mining, I've decided to (also) try some PvE missioning. This raises me a question: what is the easiest, most relaxing ship to do such grind? Not dying for 5 minutes when I have to alt-tab due to Boss aggro would be one of priorities. Efficiency and speed is not important at all. A passive tanked Rattlesnake is what you want. Something like this http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/65410-Rattlesnake-passive-shield-tank-for-l4-5-missions.html You could probably do with slapping a micro jump drive on there though.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 368	Posted - 2013.06.15 10:51:00 - [10] - Quote passive tanked rattles you can't died on level 4 missions even if you wanted to. Maybe if you turned off hardeners, that BC fit is horribad though.

Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2894	Posted - 2013.06.15 13:44:00 - [11] - Quote Tsukino ^ this is great advice. I was just not thinking about the rattlesnake. Probably cause I never got to flying one.
stoicfaux 2823	Posted - 2013.06.15 13:56:00 - [12] - Quote Jivvust wrote: This raises me a question: what is the easiest, most relaxing ship to do such grind? Not dying for 5 minutes when I have to alt-tab due to Boss aggro would be one of priorities. Efficiency and speed is not important at all. Passive tanked Rattlesnake would be good, but you risk losing the drones if you have to alt-tab out. Missiles and drones are easy to train up to T2 levels over guns. Large Micro Jump can be used to range tank and/or to escape from being scrambled by NPC frigates. (Very newbie friendly.) Missiles tend to be very range friendly and "guaranteed", consistent damage. So yeah, Drake /Navy Drake -> Navy Scorpion. Rattlesnake if you're okay will losing a flight of drones every so often.
Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.06.15 19:29:00 - [13] - Quote Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all.
imbaRabbit Suddenly rabbit 29	Posted - 2013.06.15 19:31:00 - [14] - Quote Jivvust wrote: Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. First world problems, huh?
Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.06.15 19:37:00 - [15] - Quote imbaRabbit wrote: Jivvust wrote: Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. First world problems, huh? Pretty much, I guess. I get a bit lost trying to make sense of it all, with limited time and brain power to spare. So it's a close call between Rattlesnake, Scorpion Navy Issue and Dominix for me.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 8318	Posted - 2013.06.15 19:49:00 - [16] - Quote Jivvust wrote: imbaRabbit wrote: Jivvust wrote: Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. First world problems, huh? Pretty much, I guess. I get a bit lost trying to make sense of it all, with limited time and brain power to spare. So it's a close call between Rattlesnake, Scorpion Navy Issue and Dominix for me. Since your budget is unlimited, just go with one of each. Course you'll need the required skills to pilot, fit and use each of them successfully. Anyway, good luck to you and much creds to everyone who posted detailed replies. DMC
Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.06.15 19:56:00 - [17] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Jivvust wrote: imbaRabbit wrote: Jivvust wrote: Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. First world problems, huh? Pretty much, I guess. I get a bit lost trying to make sense of it all, with limited time and brain power to spare. So it's a close call between Rattlesnake, Scorpion Navy Issue and Dominix for me. Since your budget is unlimited, just go with one of each. Course you'll need the required skills to pilot, fit and use each of them successfully. Anyway, good luck to you and much creds to everyone who posted detailed replies. DMC Yes, thank you guys a lot.
consuasor Viziam Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.06.15 20:31:00 - [18] - Quote Jivvust wrote: Good evening, I've noticed a lot of knowledgeable people in this part of forums, who speak of things I understand about a fourth of. Maybe some of you can lend me a hand. I'm a trader. I do nothing else, but speculate and push people (or get pushed) around in markets. The only other activity I've tried was mining, and I found it a relaxing, fitting activity between market order updates. Since I've been berated for being a silly donkey to even consider mining, I've decided to (also) try some PvE missioning. This raises me a question: what is the easiest, most relaxing ship to do such grind? Not dying for 5 minutes when I have to alt-tab due to Boss aggro would be one of priorities. Efficiency and speed is not important at all. You have been given good advice to consider between Navy Scorpion, Rattlesnake and Dominix. Out of these, the Rattlesnake and Dominix are really bothersome if you get vexed by losing drones to rat aggro. It can be surprisingly hard to consider drones as consumable ammunition. If you can do that, go for the rattlesnake. If you want the simplest thing imaginable, pick Navy Scorpion or better yet, Navy Raven. An overtanked capstable Raven Navy Issue does a good job at applying dps while allowing stealth mode eve at workplace. The inherent cruise missile damage application bonus is _really_ good for tanky builds. Buying a Caldari missile character with good sentry drone skills allows you to go for any of these ships, test them, and pick the one you like.
Estella Osoka Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords 109	Posted - 2013.06.15 22:16:00 - [19] - Quote Well, if cost and skills are no problem, I'd suggest a Golem or Vargur.
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:44:00 - [20] - Quote I'd shy away from drone boats if you plan to afk a lot. Your ship might be able to tank for 5 mins, but if your drones catch aggro then you'll be spending isk replacing them. Better to use FoF missiles and an auto-targeting system. Heavy passive tank on top of all that if you want a zero-maintenance setup. Your dps will be absolutely horrid, but you'll be able to afk as long as you want with no worries. Example fit: [Drake, AFK] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Rat-Specific Hardener II Rat Specific Hardener II Rat Specific Hardener II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Auto Targeting System I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5

Steve Spooner Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two 91	Posted - 2013.06.16 08:40:00 - [21] - Quote Ishtar's pretty nice to afk in. Plop sentries, orbit, grab a snack.
Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:37:00 - [22] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Well, if cost and skills are no problem, I'd suggest a Golem or Vargur. How does Golem or Vargur stand against SNI or CNR for a lazy approach? Could you outline what they do better, what their main upsides are?
Blue Absinthe Wardec U 6	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:14:00 - [23] - Quote Steve Spooner wrote: Ishtar's pretty nice to afk in. Plop sentries, orbit, grab a snack. does this still work post the AI change?
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:52:00 - [24] - Quote Blue Absinthe wrote: Steve Spooner wrote: Ishtar's pretty nice to afk in. Plop sentries, orbit, grab a snack. does this still work post the AI change? Nope.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 263	Posted - 2013.06.17 02:08:00 - [25] - Quote npcs rarely go after sentries. although if you go afk they probably will eventually decide to switch. golem has equal missile dps to the CNR plus a shield boost bonus and a target painter bonus. You can perma run a deadspace medium booster easily, and with the shield boost bonus you should be able to tank every mission. that said if you go afk shooting a trigger you might come back to a wreck. playing around in eft a bit, looks like you can get a gist large booster to perma run pretty easily too. given you are buying a character I'm assuming you don't care too much about further training on it? if so a set of crystals can boost the tank even more. or maybe throw in the genolution implants for a teeny bit more cap. depending on just how much you want to spend on this project. vargur is pretty much the same as the golem only with autocannons, oh yes and winmatar resists. You can trust me, I have a monocole
Elistea BLUE Regiment. Y G G D R A S I L 200	Posted - 2013.06.17 09:02:00 - [26] - Quote Golem with HG crystals. You can tank full room agrro in every mission and since you do all damage types, you can do L4s in any part of space. TBH its too easy :)
Jumfat Kohlah Dark Sacred Night 5	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:45:00 - [27] - Quote Just to add my 2cents worth Give thought to a combo - 2 accounts that specialize in l4s - easily Navy Raven or Golem and a basilisk combo gives you full tank on all missions. Also helps when those pesky player looters come in to "help you out" on the missions (as long as you don't aggress them you should be good).
Velarra 240	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:02:00 - [28] - Quote Do you have some friends who're experienced pilots from whom to get some of the basics of space flight & PvX survival from? While you may be acutely familiar with market pvp, naturally one does need a modicum of flight experience to get the most from SP & a good ship. (And to preferably not lose a ship due to an unexpected 'doh' moment.)
Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:25:00 - [29] - Quote Velarra wrote: Do you have some friends who're experienced pilots from whom to get some of the basics of space flight & PvX survival from? While you may be acutely familiar with market pvp, naturally one does need a modicum of flight experience to get the most from SP & a good ship. (And to preferably not lose a ship due to an unexpected 'doh' moment.) I was planning on transfering my future combat character to the Test server (I saw on wiki there is one available), and trying to fly around on my own to get acquainted with the mechanics. Any further tips and tricks regarding specific situations would of course be most welcome. To answer your question - no, I don't have any friends with combat experience in Eve, and with my erratic playing schedule it would probably be hard to acquire any. Sometimes I can play 7 hours a day on-and-off, and sometimes I don't log-in for several days (weeks) in a row.
Robert Saint Playright 65	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:43:00 - [30] - Quote Jumfat Kohlah wrote: Just to add my 2cents worth Give thought to a combo - 2 accounts that specialize in l4s - easily Navy Raven or Golem and a basilisk combo gives you full tank on all missions. Also helps when those pesky player looters come in to "help you out" on the missions (as long as you don't aggress them you should be good). This is the best idea so far... Really, if you want to be relaxed having two ships in the site changes everything in your favor. Of course, like most in here I suggest my ship of choice which is Cerberus heavy assault ship. Ballistic Control II x 4 (in the lows) Invul Field II (Mid) Large Shield Extender x 3 (Mid) 10MN Afterburner II (Mid) Rapid Light Missile Launcher II x 5 (Highs) Small Tractor II (High) Medium Launch Accelerator II (Rig) EM Shield 1 (rig) Has 430 dps that is completely effective against all ships. running two of these toons, the shield hardly ever loses 30 percent of full. I just circle the beacon and fire. They hit all the way to 70k . Around 200m , so if you lose one (although I don't know how you could), they are cheap to replace. Peace.



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