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Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.14 23:43:00 - [1] - Quote Good evening, I've noticed a lot of knowledgeable people in this part of forums, who speak of things I understand about a fourth of. Maybe some of you can lend me a hand. I'm a trader. I do nothing else, but speculate and push people (or get pushed) around in markets. The only other activity I've tried was mining, and I found it a relaxing, fitting activity between market order updates. Since I've been berated for being a silly donkey to even consider mining, I've decided to (also) try some PvE missioning. This raises me a question: what is the easiest, most relaxing ship to do such grind? Not dying for 5 minutes when I have to alt-tab due to Boss aggro would be one of priorities. Efficiency and speed is not important at all.
Klymer Hedion University Amarr Empire 269	Posted - 2013.06.15 02:02:00 - [2] - Quote Drake then SNI Brick tank them and then sit back and let their missiles chew through everything.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2889	Posted - 2013.06.15 02:05:00 - [3] - Quote Agree with Klymer on the SNI. Pirate Factions literally get bored shooting at its tank.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 8288	Posted - 2013.06.15 03:04:00 - [4] - Quote Might be helpful if you guys posted the correct name of the ship instead of some acronym / abbreviation. Probably should post a basic fit up as well. Also this is a trader / market character so her combat / pilot skills are probably low. DMC
Mykal Day Anal Cactii Assaulters Brothers of Tangra 0	Posted - 2013.06.15 03:13:00 - [5] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Might be helpful if you guys posted the correct name of the ship instead of some acronym / abbreviation. Probably should post a basic fit up as well. Also this is a trader / market character so her combat / pilot skills are probably low. DMC With low skill or isk available fly the Drake. Its dps will be low but I would think no other hull can run L4's with as low SP as the drake. Fit something like: meta 4 launchers drone link in the extra higk slot ( I think it has one) 2x large shield extenders Specific shield hardeners 2x shield power relays 2x ballistic control units 3x medium field purgers. 5x light scout drones Your dps will be low but that's the nature of the drake. You can easily tank L4's with that setup.
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 241	Posted - 2013.06.15 03:38:00 - [6] - Quote A dualrep cap stable Dominix sounds like what you want, basically something like this: [Dominix, Dual Rep L4] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Drone Link Augmentor II 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 I understand your skills are low but you don't need to fit it exactly like this, its just a template, the only thing I'd say is a requirement is the Tech 2 tank modules and tech 2 cap rechargers, which isn't a very long train, closely followed by Tech 2 Sentry drones, which while isn't a requirement, is a massive upgrade over T1 sentry drones, the guns are just there to fill your highs and you can put anything in those that your skills allow. You should also have enough cap skills so that you can run your tank capstable (Energy Management IV & Energy Systems Operation IV). Once you have Tech 2 Tank/Cap rechargers you should have a massive cap stable tank (500dps tank at worst against Angels) which means you can alt tab alt with little fear of dying, your drones will continue shooting even without you actively managing them which is another plus. However with new drone aggro mechanics you may lose your drones if you don't pull them in before alt tabbing as the rats may kill them while you're not looking. Another option is a Micro Jump Drive fit where you'd use it to jump away from the mission rats range so they do minimal damage to you but that requires more interaction than this setup and if you alt tab for extended periods the NPCs can close distance and put you in a tough spot if your tank is failing, my setup is pretty much turn on tank and forget. In the end you need some skill investment to do L4s in a decent amount of time, Drake is pretty much the lowest skill option but it's painfully slow and you need to actively manage your weapons, also with really low skills the Drake will struggle to break the tanks of the harder mission rats.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2890	Posted - 2013.06.15 04:18:00 - [7] - Quote This is what I came up with for a lazy mission runner: [Scorpion Navy Issue, Scorpion NI Cap Tank] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Garde II x2 Hobgoblin II x5 Capstable, but you will find that the applied dps isn't quite optimal on anything smaller than a BS. You can downgrade the booster as per your wallet. Switch to t1 missiles or precisions depending on skills. Dato's Domi is quite viable. Might have more applied dps than my Scorp.
imbaRabbit Suddenly rabbit 27	Posted - 2013.06.15 08:48:00 - [8] - Quote And this is my Raven fit. Never got an issue, even against hardest missions against Serpentis (hardest because of sensor dampening) because I got outside of their dampening range. ============================================== * High-power: 6 x Cruise Missile Launcher II * Mid-power: Large Micro Jump Drive Large Shield Booster 3 x Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron 2 x Sensor Booster, Targeting Range Script * Low-power: 4 x Ballistic Control System II, 1 x Damage Control Unit II. Rigs: 2 x Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I, 1 x Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I. ============================================== Let's talk about the fit a bit. I have all missile skills to level five (all except Cruise Missile Spec. which is on level IV). I'm using the T1 cruise missiles, but I could easily just move from the T1 to T2 missiles. That would increase DPS from 879 up to 1128 DPS including with drones. Pure missile DPS from 711 to 996. But me being cheap as I am, I just use T1. You can place the Drone Link Augmentor on the last high-power slot, but I don't need that since I really don't like to have my drones wander away from my drone bay range due to aggression from NPCs. You can place the Tractor Beam just in case you miss your MJD cycle and go to far away from the wreck\cargo container which is mission objective. In case you don't have the skills, you can use the 'Arbalest' Cruise Missile Launcher I, instead of T2 version. As you can see, I have just the Large Shield Booster as my tank. I'll replace that with 100MN afterburner or some kind of other module since I really don't need it in few missions. The NPCs have the scram module, but it does not seem it stops the Large Micro Jump Drive from cycling. I thought that it does, but it does not (obviously it's not scram what NPCs have but it's disruptor). The target painters are useful for the cruisers and frigates. When battleship is in range, only one target painter needs to be applied because you're not getting any more damage projected if you add all three. The sensor boosters with targeting range script will enable you to PEW-PEW from 220 KM which is extremely fun! No skill what-so-ever. Low slots are classic ... I have no clue why I have DCU because I don't need it, but that's probably because the fifth ballistic does not add so much DPS. Maybe I'll go for the Nanofiber or some other module which will increase my speed for a bit :P. Every little thing counts for this slow-poke of a ship. What do you have to care about: - Angel , EoM , Guristas battleships have cruise missiles fit and they'll hit you from range. If you have a lot of them against you, you could lose the one Target painter, and just keep the two of them with one shield hardener and one shield booster. They have never got enough damage on me, but hey ... Until you get used to the ship, you can over-tank it and you have every right to do so. As you will play more and more , you'll see how you can strip the mid slots for some utilities. If you go against Guristas, I would tank my ship a lot better since they'll hit me anyway. - Instantly when you come in a room, turn around and activate the MJD. You'll go on a safe range and that's all to it. If there are more pockets in the mission, then you'll have to make sure that you're within 100 KM away from the gate, so when you clean the room, that you can return to the gate with one MJD cycle. - Use MJD wisely, don't forget that it has "long" cooldown (3 minutes). If you use MJD after you've cleaned the room, you will find yourself in bit of a trouble in second pocket if you're not going to be able to MJD and they'll apply heavy damage. - I would not use this fit against Guristas due to the heavy damage. Tank the ship better. Look at this site for the NPC damage types: http://www.ogrank.com/content/view/698/59/. I think I've covered all, if not I'll come back and edit the post.
ExcalibursTemplar Citadel Enterprises 0	Posted - 2013.06.15 10:02:00 - [9] - Quote Jivvust wrote: Good evening, I've noticed a lot of knowledgeable people in this part of forums, who speak of things I understand about a fourth of. Maybe some of you can lend me a hand. I'm a trader. I do nothing else, but speculate and push people (or get pushed) around in markets. The only other activity I've tried was mining, and I found it a relaxing, fitting activity between market order updates. Since I've been berated for being a silly donkey to even consider mining, I've decided to (also) try some PvE missioning. This raises me a question: what is the easiest, most relaxing ship to do such grind? Not dying for 5 minutes when I have to alt-tab due to Boss aggro would be one of priorities. Efficiency and speed is not important at all. A passive tanked Rattlesnake is what you want. Something like this http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/65410-Rattlesnake-passive-shield-tank-for-l4-5-missions.html You could probably do with slapping a micro jump drive on there though.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 368	Posted - 2013.06.15 10:51:00 - [10] - Quote passive tanked rattles you can't died on level 4 missions even if you wanted to. Maybe if you turned off hardeners, that BC fit is horribad though.

Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2894	Posted - 2013.06.15 13:44:00 - [11] - Quote Tsukino ^ this is great advice. I was just not thinking about the rattlesnake. Probably cause I never got to flying one.
stoicfaux 2823	Posted - 2013.06.15 13:56:00 - [12] - Quote Jivvust wrote: This raises me a question: what is the easiest, most relaxing ship to do such grind? Not dying for 5 minutes when I have to alt-tab due to Boss aggro would be one of priorities. Efficiency and speed is not important at all. Passive tanked Rattlesnake would be good, but you risk losing the drones if you have to alt-tab out. Missiles and drones are easy to train up to T2 levels over guns. Large Micro Jump can be used to range tank and/or to escape from being scrambled by NPC frigates. (Very newbie friendly.) Missiles tend to be very range friendly and "guaranteed", consistent damage. So yeah, Drake /Navy Drake -> Navy Scorpion. Rattlesnake if you're okay will losing a flight of drones every so often.
Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.06.15 19:29:00 - [13] - Quote Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all.
imbaRabbit Suddenly rabbit 29	Posted - 2013.06.15 19:31:00 - [14] - Quote Jivvust wrote: Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. First world problems, huh?
Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.06.15 19:37:00 - [15] - Quote imbaRabbit wrote: Jivvust wrote: Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. First world problems, huh? Pretty much, I guess. I get a bit lost trying to make sense of it all, with limited time and brain power to spare. So it's a close call between Rattlesnake, Scorpion Navy Issue and Dominix for me.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 8318	Posted - 2013.06.15 19:49:00 - [16] - Quote Jivvust wrote: imbaRabbit wrote: Jivvust wrote: Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. First world problems, huh? Pretty much, I guess. I get a bit lost trying to make sense of it all, with limited time and brain power to spare. So it's a close call between Rattlesnake, Scorpion Navy Issue and Dominix for me. Since your budget is unlimited, just go with one of each. Course you'll need the required skills to pilot, fit and use each of them successfully. Anyway, good luck to you and much creds to everyone who posted detailed replies. DMC
Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.06.15 19:56:00 - [17] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Jivvust wrote: imbaRabbit wrote: Jivvust wrote: Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. First world problems, huh? Pretty much, I guess. I get a bit lost trying to make sense of it all, with limited time and brain power to spare. So it's a close call between Rattlesnake, Scorpion Navy Issue and Dominix for me. Since your budget is unlimited, just go with one of each. Course you'll need the required skills to pilot, fit and use each of them successfully. Anyway, good luck to you and much creds to everyone who posted detailed replies. DMC Yes, thank you guys a lot.
consuasor Viziam Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.06.15 20:31:00 - [18] - Quote Jivvust wrote: Good evening, I've noticed a lot of knowledgeable people in this part of forums, who speak of things I understand about a fourth of. Maybe some of you can lend me a hand. I'm a trader. I do nothing else, but speculate and push people (or get pushed) around in markets. The only other activity I've tried was mining, and I found it a relaxing, fitting activity between market order updates. Since I've been berated for being a silly donkey to even consider mining, I've decided to (also) try some PvE missioning. This raises me a question: what is the easiest, most relaxing ship to do such grind? Not dying for 5 minutes when I have to alt-tab due to Boss aggro would be one of priorities. Efficiency and speed is not important at all. You have been given good advice to consider between Navy Scorpion, Rattlesnake and Dominix. Out of these, the Rattlesnake and Dominix are really bothersome if you get vexed by losing drones to rat aggro. It can be surprisingly hard to consider drones as consumable ammunition. If you can do that, go for the rattlesnake. If you want the simplest thing imaginable, pick Navy Scorpion or better yet, Navy Raven. An overtanked capstable Raven Navy Issue does a good job at applying dps while allowing stealth mode eve at workplace. The inherent cruise missile damage application bonus is _really_ good for tanky builds. Buying a Caldari missile character with good sentry drone skills allows you to go for any of these ships, test them, and pick the one you like.
Estella Osoka Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords 109	Posted - 2013.06.15 22:16:00 - [19] - Quote Well, if cost and skills are no problem, I'd suggest a Golem or Vargur.
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:44:00 - [20] - Quote I'd shy away from drone boats if you plan to afk a lot. Your ship might be able to tank for 5 mins, but if your drones catch aggro then you'll be spending isk replacing them. Better to use FoF missiles and an auto-targeting system. Heavy passive tank on top of all that if you want a zero-maintenance setup. Your dps will be absolutely horrid, but you'll be able to afk as long as you want with no worries. Example fit: [Drake, AFK] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Rat-Specific Hardener II Rat Specific Hardener II Rat Specific Hardener II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I Auto Targeting System I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5

Steve Spooner Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two 91	Posted - 2013.06.16 08:40:00 - [21] - Quote Ishtar's pretty nice to afk in. Plop sentries, orbit, grab a snack.
Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:37:00 - [22] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Well, if cost and skills are no problem, I'd suggest a Golem or Vargur. How does Golem or Vargur stand against SNI or CNR for a lazy approach? Could you outline what they do better, what their main upsides are?
Blue Absinthe Wardec U 6	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:14:00 - [23] - Quote Steve Spooner wrote: Ishtar's pretty nice to afk in. Plop sentries, orbit, grab a snack. does this still work post the AI change?
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:52:00 - [24] - Quote Blue Absinthe wrote: Steve Spooner wrote: Ishtar's pretty nice to afk in. Plop sentries, orbit, grab a snack. does this still work post the AI change? Nope.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 263	Posted - 2013.06.17 02:08:00 - [25] - Quote npcs rarely go after sentries. although if you go afk they probably will eventually decide to switch. golem has equal missile dps to the CNR plus a shield boost bonus and a target painter bonus. You can perma run a deadspace medium booster easily, and with the shield boost bonus you should be able to tank every mission. that said if you go afk shooting a trigger you might come back to a wreck. playing around in eft a bit, looks like you can get a gist large booster to perma run pretty easily too. given you are buying a character I'm assuming you don't care too much about further training on it? if so a set of crystals can boost the tank even more. or maybe throw in the genolution implants for a teeny bit more cap. depending on just how much you want to spend on this project. vargur is pretty much the same as the golem only with autocannons, oh yes and winmatar resists. You can trust me, I have a monocole
Elistea BLUE Regiment. Y G G D R A S I L 200	Posted - 2013.06.17 09:02:00 - [26] - Quote Golem with HG crystals. You can tank full room agrro in every mission and since you do all damage types, you can do L4s in any part of space. TBH its too easy :)
Jumfat Kohlah Dark Sacred Night 5	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:45:00 - [27] - Quote Just to add my 2cents worth Give thought to a combo - 2 accounts that specialize in l4s - easily Navy Raven or Golem and a basilisk combo gives you full tank on all missions. Also helps when those pesky player looters come in to "help you out" on the missions (as long as you don't aggress them you should be good).
Velarra 240	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:02:00 - [28] - Quote Do you have some friends who're experienced pilots from whom to get some of the basics of space flight & PvX survival from? While you may be acutely familiar with market pvp, naturally one does need a modicum of flight experience to get the most from SP & a good ship. (And to preferably not lose a ship due to an unexpected 'doh' moment.)
Jivvust Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:25:00 - [29] - Quote Velarra wrote: Do you have some friends who're experienced pilots from whom to get some of the basics of space flight & PvX survival from? While you may be acutely familiar with market pvp, naturally one does need a modicum of flight experience to get the most from SP & a good ship. (And to preferably not lose a ship due to an unexpected 'doh' moment.) I was planning on transfering my future combat character to the Test server (I saw on wiki there is one available), and trying to fly around on my own to get acquainted with the mechanics. Any further tips and tricks regarding specific situations would of course be most welcome. To answer your question - no, I don't have any friends with combat experience in Eve, and with my erratic playing schedule it would probably be hard to acquire any. Sometimes I can play 7 hours a day on-and-off, and sometimes I don't log-in for several days (weeks) in a row.
Robert Saint Playright 65	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:43:00 - [30] - Quote Jumfat Kohlah wrote: Just to add my 2cents worth Give thought to a combo - 2 accounts that specialize in l4s - easily Navy Raven or Golem and a basilisk combo gives you full tank on all missions. Also helps when those pesky player looters come in to "help you out" on the missions (as long as you don't aggress them you should be good). This is the best idea so far... Really, if you want to be relaxed having two ships in the site changes everything in your favor. Of course, like most in here I suggest my ship of choice which is Cerberus heavy assault ship. Ballistic Control II x 4 (in the lows) Invul Field II (Mid) Large Shield Extender x 3 (Mid) 10MN Afterburner II (Mid) Rapid Light Missile Launcher II x 5 (Highs) Small Tractor II (High) Medium Launch Accelerator II (Rig) EM Shield 1 (rig) Has 430 dps that is completely effective against all ships. running two of these toons, the shield hardly ever loses 30 percent of full. I just circle the beacon and fire. They hit all the way to 70k . Around 200m , so if you lose one (although I don't know how you could), they are cheap to replace. Peace.

Freighdee Katt Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2013.06.18 14:57:00 - [31] - Quote consuasor wrote: Out of these, the Rattlesnake and Dominix are really bothersome if you get vexed by losing drones to rat aggro. It can be surprisingly hard to consider drones as consumable ammunition. If you can do that, go for the rattlesnake. How well would it work to just stock the highs on your Dominix with small/med remote shield reps, drop sentries, and let one rep perma-run on each? Seems like that would keep them from getting killed and pull aggro from them as well. Is the cap demand for five small reps too much to keep them all running without an injector, or are they too trivial to keep up when the drones get shot?
Morrigan LeSante The Lost and Forgotten Troopers 294	Posted - 2013.06.18 16:32:00 - [32] - Quote For all the drone issues, if you're losing sentries, you ARE doing it wrong.
Souxie Alduin Anarchy in the Eve 75	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:00:00 - [33] - Quote Freighdee Katt wrote: consuasor wrote: Out of these, the Rattlesnake and Dominix are really bothersome if you get vexed by losing drones to rat aggro. It can be surprisingly hard to consider drones as consumable ammunition. If you can do that, go for the rattlesnake. How well would it work to just stock the highs on your Dominix with small/med remote shield reps, drop sentries, and let one rep perma-run on each? Seems like that would keep them from getting killed and pull aggro from them as well. Is the cap demand for five small reps too much to keep them all running without an injector, or are they too trivial to keep up when the drones get shot? This is cap stable with good skills. Will probably end badly, but would be fun to try [Dominix] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Small Remote Armor Repair System II Small Remote Armor Repair System II Small Remote Armor Repair System II Small Remote Armor Repair System II Small Remote Armor Repair System II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Garde II x5
Darvaleth Sigma Progressive State State Section 9 309	Posted - 2013.06.19 20:55:00 - [34] - Quote Depends how relaxed you want, and whether you are willing to go to lowsec... also depends how you define "relaxed". In terms of the mission, L4s will never threaten your Aeon's tank... that doesn't mean you'll be particularly relaxed though. Give a man a match and you warm him for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Desivo Delta Visseroff The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.19 21:24:00 - [35] - Quote I posted this to another thread today, but here are my L4 fits. Not as much DPS as a BS, but also both full fits are cheaper than one some of the BS hulls mentioned here... First one: Heavy DPS Drake Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II x3 Shield Recharger II x3 Large Shield Extender II x2 Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile x6 Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I x3 Salvage Drone I x2 Hornet EC-300 x3 340DPS 360 Passive Tank VERY CHEAP!!! (@ 75mil) Second One: SH Tank Drake Shield Power Relay II x4 Large Shield Extender II x2 EM Ward Amplifier II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile x6 Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defense Field Purger II x3 Salvage Drone I x2 Hornet EC-300 x3 135 DPS - Low I use it to check out the room 960 Passive Tank Expensive, But I had a few good scores ;)
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 263	Posted - 2013.06.20 02:07:00 - [36] - Quote Darvaleth Sigma wrote: Depends how relaxed you want, and whether you are willing to go to lowsec... also depends how you define "relaxed". In terms of the mission, L4s will never threaten your Aeon's tank... that doesn't mean you'll be particularly relaxed though. if only aeons could use acceleration gates You can trust me, I have a monocole
Clara Valentine State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.06.22 19:35:00 - [37] - Quote Everyone has posted some great Ideas and fits but they have all missed something obvious, you're a trader and level 4 missions will be for fun and not maximizeing isk income for a whole load of effort (Pulseing boosters/controlling range ect ect.). For this reason I recomend a Tengu because it's fairly cheap, huge tank (You won't lose it via alt tab and dealing with tradeing), it's fast to warp in/out/dock also does great dps at a decent range. Above all its really alot of fun to fly and a good ship to upgrade from if you become a more hardcore mission runner. Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Corelum B-Type 10MN Afterburner Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Implants- HM-705 RL-1005 GP-805 TN-905 A full set of Crystal implants would go lovely with this to really make tank extra OP.
Amma Hurst Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.22 22:15:00 - [38] - Quote Freighdee Katt wrote: How well would it work to just stock the highs on your Dominix with small/med remote shield reps, drop sentries, and let one rep perma-run on each? Seems like that would keep them from getting killed and pull aggro from them as well. Is the cap demand for five small reps too much to keep them all running without an injector, or are they too trivial to keep up when the drones get shot? Well for one you don't want to use up 5 of your targeting slots on sentries The Domi has a max of only 7 targets. Also I have found that for the most part when sentries get aggro it is only one of the 5 that gets it, so you can just target the one getting aggro and rep it. It has also been my experience that even when I do rep one of my sentries the npc aggro still stays on that sentry and rarely if ever switches to me .
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2013.06.22 23:21:00 - [39] - Quote Jivvust wrote: I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. Practice. Combat is pretty simple for PvE, though the devs are slowly making it more annoying. 1. You usually know which kind of damage you are going to receive and what you'll have to deal by the faction you are going up against. 2. Don't go up against other empires. 3. Check the mission at eve survival to know what the trigger ships are and other annoying types (scram/web/dampers) there are and make those a high priority. 4. Start with level 1 and level 2 missions, you can learn the basics there. 5. Orbiting and distance can be your best friends or worst enemies. I can has blogging skills!
Echhan Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative. 4	Posted - 2013.06.26 17:20:00 - [40] - Quote Jivvust wrote: Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. There is always the Test server (Singularity). Granted, for you, Jiw, ISK is no option, but for others facing the same issues without benefit of a practically bottomless wallet, Test is an option. Everything costs 100.00 ISK (ships, books, mods, rigs, ammo, etc.) and you can test configurations and techniques and decide for yourself what works best with your own style of play and the only thing you've risked, aside from 20,000 ISK or so, is the time to do it. Just be aware of mechanics that might be in place on Singularity, but have not been yet released to Tranqulity. It is the test server, after all. grin Best of luck...

Marcus Walkuris Aww yeahhh 11	Posted - 2013.06.27 04:53:00 - [41] - Quote For easiest and most relaxed there is only one answer. With maxed drone skills a "mjd AB dominix" will kill at 80-170 km without ever taking a scratch while you drink coffee and scratch your ass. With its extreme engagement range it is E-war immune and auto-targets. It does not get more easiest and most relaxed then that.
dexington Dexington Corporation 675	Posted - 2013.06.27 06:40:00 - [42] - Quote Marcus Walkuris wrote: With maxed drone skills a "mjd AB dominix" will kill at 80-170 km without ever taking a scratch while you drink coffee and scratch your ass. maxed out is not even needed, drones and drone interfacing are the only 2 skills you need to max, the rest just needs to be 3-4 then you can use faction drones and get close to the same results. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 272	Posted - 2013.06.27 07:43:00 - [43] - Quote I've been having a ton of fun in my paladin the last few days. sure the mach is faster for most things, but so much easier just sitting still and blaping everything, with a perma tank. did the EA chain twice, both times had an alt in the noctis to loot after. EA 5/5 was a bit boring, seeing as you kill each wave and sit around for a bit waiting for the next spawn, usually perfect time to loot/salvage a bit, but seriously ignoring that part made it so much more relaxing. for the most part you can just use multi, but instant swap crystals if you feel like changing. I don't really like mjds much, mostly because of the 3m cd. You can trust me, I have a monocole
Aurette Between Realities 1	Posted - 2013.06.27 07:55:00 - [44] - Quote Judging by the OP date you are probably set by now? This is more for others in the same situation... I spent a lot of time doing solo missions in a Drake, then eventually got the skills to use the battleships better than battlecruisers. It did often require jump outs and a lot of speed tanking while nibbling away at the NPC ships. Tedious springs to mind! Eventually I worked up to Rattlesnake.. yes great if you want to survive low attention towards the mission at times and not loose a lot of ships... ships die.. it happens... this is EVE When you have clear play time try a long range DPS ship with a Micro Jump Drive as suggested in the previous posts in this thread. The MJD is great for getting out of range of most of the rats, but not all. It does give a lot of new options for how to demolish the room, more fun I think. What ever you find is more fun to play personally is what you should fly... Since the pirate / rat AI was upgraded my opinion is that huge DPS beats huge tank. Kill the enemy DPS quickly and ideally from out of their range and you're set. Have a highly tanked battleship for some missions and work up to some sort of Marauder for those times you just want to melt them with big hits.
Marcus Walkuris Aww yeahhh 11	Posted - 2013.06.27 12:13:00 - [45] - Quote dexington wrote: Marcus Walkuris wrote: With maxed drone skills a "mjd AB dominix" will kill at 80-170 km without ever taking a scratch while you drink coffee and scratch your ass. maxed out is not even needed, drones and drone interfacing are the only 2 skills you need to max, the rest just needs to be 3-4 then you can use faction drones and get close to the same results. Well let's clarify ^^. Relevant drone skills at 5, which I refer to mostly due to the range bonus that come with tech II drones around 10% off the top of my head. Without said skill you will take a hit to your range of-course.
Feanira Darr Perkone Caldari State 9	Posted - 2013.06.28 09:43:00 - [46] - Quote I vote rattlesnake "Tibus Heth could also benefit from working 'The Plan'." -DMC
Soporo 33	Posted - 2013.07.07 00:16:00 - [47] - Quote Why not the Scorpion Navy Issue? Huge tank, extra mids for propulsion mods, variable damage and rof bonus. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken
Salpad Carebears with Attitude 345	Posted - 2013.07.08 20:01:00 - [48] - Quote Jivvust wrote: Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. Then you ought to start with level 1 missions, learn the ropes. I'm not saying you should grind level 1 forever, but do a couple of Storyline cycles of level 1. Each storyline cycle is 16 missions. Then do a couple of storyline cycles worth of level 2 missions. Then do a lot of level 3 missions, like at least 5-6 storyline cycles.
Cage Man 242	Posted - 2013.07.09 00:05:00 - [49] - Quote Salpad wrote: Jivvust wrote: Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :) To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all. Then you ought to start with level 1 missions, learn the ropes. I'm not saying you should grind level 1 forever, but do a couple of Storyline cycles of level 1. Each storyline cycle is 16 missions. Then do a couple of storyline cycles worth of level 2 missions. Then do a lot of level 3 missions, like at least 5-6 storyline cycles. Or just find someone who is keen to have someone to mission with. Check out the helpmymission chat. always people willing to help there. As to what ship, the easiest is the scorpion navy issue. Drone boats will require you pay attention. if I remember I will post my fit when I get home, if I don't cause I am easily distracted :0 Just drop me an evemail. Happy to help with missions too if you close to where I am when I am on. The thick plottens...


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