I'm fine with CCP not catering to the roleplaying community. Roleplayers are horrible people.

They agreed to vanity items in the NEX and were clear they were against things like gold ammo or combat boosters that would lead to pay2win. I'm not sure how you're taking that information and getting "lol Mittens won't allow CCP to give stuff to roleplayers".

They agreed to vanity items in the NEX and were clear they were against things like gold ammo or combat boosters that would lead to pay2win. I'm not sure how you're taking that information and getting "lol Mittens won't allow CCP to give stuff to roleplayers".

You have lost the thread of the discussion. Go back and start again.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=233808#post233808

Apparently you didn't read the minutes of that meeting where CSM largely agreed with the NeX deployment "strategy".

Read, be informed. Do this before posting in the future.

Edit. Here this time I will do it for you.



(this is the official may 2011 csm/ccp summit minutes)

This is not CSM failing to oppose because CCP steamrolled them, this is CSM "welcoming" the addition. Hence my point about silly kneejerks "its rp crap don't care" leading to blindside on the game implications.

CSM could certainly have gone on record with its opposition to the principle of NeX at that point and properly represented player opposition to the delivery of Incarna content solely through the medium of the microtransaction store.

Are you roleplaying somebody with a learning disorder? Your posts don't even make sense: A goon posts a troll about roleplayers and you respond with "Mittens made CCP put vanity items in the game to screw over roleplayers!"

No
A reasonable point, but I think you've gotten fixated on the little taster that we got to see, and by the half-assed crap that was being considered.

Incarna opened the door to a huge variety of game play. Assuming the code itself ever got optimized to run smoothly enough to support it, many things with a distinctly EVE flavor would have been possible.

Walking to a dark part of a station, or perhaps a seedy player run bar, to meet with a new type of agent... an investigative agent. You can't contact him via normal coms due to the highly illegal, privacy invasive nature of the information he provides. For a fee he/she can tell you most anything you want to know about an individual, for as far back as you can afford. They can tell you when the subject has logged on and logged off, where they went, whether they stay docked all the time or not perhaps even who they speak with or do business with. Far more information is provided than by your standard locator agent. How much are you willing to spend?

Perhaps a new bounty system comes into place, where bounty contracts are offered and can only be accepted by pilots with the appropriate skills and licenses. Such an agent would be vital for them to decide if a bounty is worth considering going after. You really need to know if the target ever undocks before you accept that contract. Because you are licensed and have accepted a contract you can kill that person any time, any where, without Concord intervention... but they are of limited duration and you can only accept one at a time.

Perhaps you just want to keep track of an enemy's key cap ship pilots, or freighter pilots, or even your own CEO...

Concord has really stepped up their effort to curb smuggling all types of contraband, including the more powerful boosters, and the prices for them have gone through the roof. Fortunately, the pirate factions have pooled their technology and provided a solution.

You can't buy them on the market, and the contract system won't accept them for legal reasons, but if you know where to find the right guy and he agrees to a face to face meeting, there are some new cargo containers available that make smuggling a walk in the park. Hideously expensive and difficult to find, they make it virtually impossible to scan the contents... instead registering as empty to a ship scanner.

Of course, if you want to sell the contraband that you successfully smuggle into empire space, you have to do that off the radar as well and the security systems in hanger bays have been monitoring trades lately...

Your alliance is involved in repelling an effort to take a key system from you by a long standing enemy. The battle is huge, and when you count forces blockading the surrounding systems and the sheer volume of pilots trying to relay timely information on enemy movements and attacks, you have a tactical nightmare on your hands commanding your fleets movements to respond quickly enough to a variety of threats.

Fortunately your Outpost is equipped with a command and control center, which you and your fleet commanders hurriedly report to. In a large 3D holographic display suspended above the central table you see a detailed tactical map of not only the target system, but the surrounding systems. Where ever you have eyes (a pilot designated as a scout or in a command position) you are provided with a real time display of what forces (both friendly and hostile) are on grid with him, along with key information like affiliation, numbers, ship types, direction of travel, speed, range, and whether they are firing or not. As your scouts reach their designated area's the flow of the entire battle becomes readily apparent to you without the necessity of tying up voice coms or waiting for chat to relay all of this information.

Of course you have an advanced interface that allows you to give orders, either via preset commands or verbally to any subset of pilots you need to speak to specifically, from your birds eye view of the battle... a view that your counter parts in the enemy fleet do not have access to as they do not have an Outpost with a command and control center in range.

You can get a lap dance from a hot gallante pole dancer.

This is just tip of the iceberg stuff off the top of my head. There is a huge volume of game play ideas that could be logically tied to the Incarna environment instead of the standard menu's that we currently use.

The potential was huge. Lets hope that one day, when the tech is properly in place and the game plan has been properly considered, that we see Incarna revisited.

Well CCP have pretty much admitted there was no gameplay so not sure where that new dimension was coming from. The only content you could have expected through incarna under the NeX devs was more overpriced crap in the cash store? Is it really worth crashing core Eve gameplay to allow CCP Zinfandel to sell monocles to idiots?

Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced.

Either make an effort to engage with the debate like an adult or go home. There is nothing but pain and ego damage ahead in the path you appear to have chosen.

I don't like this one bit. They have been telling and showing all about WiS for years now and instead of at least giving us some of it they are droping it cold! It kind of pisses me off. I have been looking forward to trying some of the mini games. seeing people rather than the same 10 spaceships that everyone has. (Eve in my oppinion severly lacks options) Now they are going to scrap it. I don't think CCP learned the lesson they should have learned. First micro transitions and pay to play is what everyone was upset at. Crappy and unfinished updates are annoying and we the people want to be heard.

So hear me now - do what you promised. I don't expect a FPS or anything other than the ability to walk in a station, see other people and perhaps play a few mini games. You promised WiS so fufill your promise.

Put a little less effort into (weakly) trying to be insulting and spend more time following the thread of the debate.

Are you upset that I didn't recognise the goon troll as worthy of special praise or something?

The poster I responded to made a comment about hating roleplaying. I said this is a problem with the current goon-led CSM and it did lead to them letting CCP Nex developers foist MT-only incarna on the game. "Huh-hur vanity only is fine". You responded with the usual straw man deflection claiming that CSM couldn't stop CCP from doing anything - I said I wanted to see some actual opposition to the concept in the CSM/CCP meeting minutes (and illustrated my position with a quote).

Where we are now is you paddling frothily in circles while insulting people in a desperate attempt to salvage some e-credibility from your clumsy engagement with this thread.

Either make an effort to engage with the debate like an adult or go home. There is nothing but pain and ego damage ahead in the path you appear to have chosen.

When I said earlier in the thread that roleplayers are horrible people I didn't expect anybody to jump in and prove it so quickly. Thanks for wonderful demonstration.

Nice try. But you had already lost the arguement.

But please, continue to nourish us with your tears.

hahaha Alex i totally agree with you.......................

mothermoon seriously..........walking in station while it would be a nice addition to the game is not worth prioritizing over the core basis and reason for the game ie "SPACESHIPS"

in all fairness establishments will end up like most fads fun for a few weeks then ignored.

Single player Avatar in an MMO ... they mine as well call Incarna "mining".

but I have to reply to this. 100% spot on, I would of cared less about my own single player room. All I wanted was face to face interaction for this SOCIAL mmo. I'm a space pilot, your a space pilot. Lets have a cool corp meeting in person while we draw on an awesome starmap whiteboard as we plan and so on.

I am reading it differently, you want to hone your social skills in a internet spaceship game before you even try socializing with real people in the real world.

I can't decide if it is tragic, sad or just pathetic. Or all three.

Lets have a cool corp meeting in person while we draw on an awesome starmap whiteboard as we plan and so on.

Let me stand in front of a huge militia panel with dozens of other players as we track enemy movements and attacks.

People keep talking about WiS feature ideas, but mostly they boil down to a guy sitting in front of a screen showing a character sitting in front of a screen. Wasn't there a youtube/onion news parody about that a while ago? And now we want to make an awful joke into a real thing?

I don't think I understand... so your saying games like mass effect as strange becuase your just a guy, looking down a guy in a video game? I mean why even have the inside of the ship have different areas for ship control and missions. Why not make the whole thing a menu system like on the old PC space games!

Can you imagine if mass effect was only missions, and the rest of selecting through menus with written story in-between?

Why would any modern gamer think that a video game which is made up of a guy controlling a guy on a on a screen is weird.???
Have you ever played Battlefield 3? Have you played Super mario 64? Have you played GTA?

you must be one disconnected PC gaming nerd to think the inclusion of a human avatar in a video game, or mmo, is somehow... Strange.

I worry for your soul. Thinking all games should have some sort of non-human interface/object avatar in order to experience the game through.

I don't think I understand... so your saying games like mass effect as strange becuase your just a guy, looking down a guy in a video game? I mean why even have the inside of the ship have different areas for ship control and missions. Why not make the whole thing a menu system like on the old PC space games!

Can you imagine if mass effect was only missions, and the rest of selecting through menus with written story in-between?

Why would any modern gamer think that a video game which is made up of a guy controlling a guy on a on a screen is weird.???
Have you ever played Battlefield 3? Have you played Super mario 64? Have you played GTA?

you must be one disconnected PC gaming nerd to think the inclusion of a human avatar in a video game, or mmo, is somehow... Strange.

I worry for your soul. Thinking all games should have some sort of non-human interface/object avatar in order to experience the game through.

haha who the hell would pay more than 15$ a month to play an mmo.

Yea it sucks, but thats the way Goons, I mean, Democracy works.