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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:31:00 -
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Just wondering, what will be the role of HACs when the tier 3 BC's come out? already, HACs dont have a role because BCs have more EHP and DPS at close/mid range. sniper gangs have a tiny niche, but the new BC's will easily surpass them with large artys, hybrids and pulses.
what do? already there is little reason to get into a HAC. |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
138
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:33:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:already there is little reason to get into a HAC.
Furthermore, ARMOUR HACS! ARMOUR HACS! AARRRMMOOOURRRR HAAACCSSSSS!!! |
Khors
El Barco Pirata
1
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:36:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:Just wondering, what will be the role of HACs when the tier 3 BC's come out? already, HACs dont have a role because BCs have more EHP and DPS at close/mid range. sniper gangs have a tiny niche, but the new BC's will easily surpass them with large artys, hybrids and pulses.
what do? already there is little reason to get into a HAC.
A shieldtanked battlecrusier have the sig of a dread when they MWD. Large turret have **** tracking. Armor tanked, afterburning HACs have a very small sig and makes for a good tactic against battleships. HACs are a lot faster than battlecruisers.
Besides, T2 is more of a niche ship to begin with.
And finally. Stop coming up with all these stupid **** ideas of how the tier 3 bc's will be so awesome and great in every way when the only thing known for sure is that they will use oversized guns. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
12
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:39:00 -
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Im hoping they limit the Tornado to just Auto Cannons. As much fun as it would be to have 20 guys in 50m isk Alpha fleet ganking a frieghter, people might see that as somewhat overpowered given they get most of that back in insurance.
Or if they are allowed Arties then I guess I should spend the first week in said ganking fleets before it gets nerfed and I miss out on a frieghter drop of about 10Billion. I would be a sad panda seeing that KM without my name on it.
Won't someone please think of the afk frighter pilots..... sry but I can foresee the massive ***** thread incoming. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
80
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:41:00 -
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I'll see your large artillery Tornado and raise you a afterburner pulse Zealot at close range. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
104
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:48:00 -
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is that like how destroyers are better than assault frigates?? |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
12
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:50:00 -
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non judgement wrote:is that like how destroyers are better than assault frigates??
Are they? No Idea frig pvp is for poor people. |
Khors
El Barco Pirata
1
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:51:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Im hoping they limit the Tornado to just Auto Cannons. As much fun as it would be to have 20 guys in 50m isk Alpha fleet ganking a frieghter, people might see that as somewhat overpowered given they get most of that back in insurance.
Or if they are allowed Arties then I guess I should spend the first week in said ganking fleets before it gets nerfed and I miss out on a frieghter drop of about 10Billion. I would be a sad panda seeing that KM without my name on it.
Won't someone please think of the afk frighter pilots..... sry but I can foresee the massive ***** thread incoming.
Do you think these battlecruisers will have 8 turret hardpoints? lol I doubt they'll be doing much better than a phoon |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
12
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:58:00 -
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Khors wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:Im hoping they limit the Tornado to just Auto Cannons. As much fun as it would be to have 20 guys in 50m isk Alpha fleet ganking a frieghter, people might see that as somewhat overpowered given they get most of that back in insurance.
Or if they are allowed Arties then I guess I should spend the first week in said ganking fleets before it gets nerfed and I miss out on a frieghter drop of about 10Billion. I would be a sad panda seeing that KM without my name on it.
Won't someone please think of the afk frighter pilots..... sry but I can foresee the massive ***** thread incoming. Do you think these battlecruisers will have 8 turret hardpoints? lol I doubt they'll be doing much better than a phoon
Phoons are awesome. You don't like 1000Dps on an armor phoon or 1500dps on a gank one?
And I suspect they will likely have 4 Turrent slots. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
104
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Posted - 2011.10.23 07:59:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:non judgement wrote:is that like how destroyers are better than assault frigates?? Are they? No Idea frig pvp is for poor people. A strange question, and strange comment.
Destroyers are paper thin. They might be okay against some frigates, but they aren't used much at all. Slower than frigates, crusiers normally kill them. People use Interdictors (T2 destroyers) a lot more and that'd be mostly (if not all) nullsec use.
I like your use of italics. |
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
12
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Posted - 2011.10.23 08:09:00 -
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non judgement wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:non judgement wrote:is that like how destroyers are better than assault frigates?? Are they? No Idea frig pvp is for poor people. A strange question, and strange comment. Destroyers are paper thin. They might be okay against some frigates, but they aren't used much at all. Slower than frigates, crusiers normally kill them. People use Interdictors (T2 destroyers) a lot more and that'd be mostly (if not all) nullsec use. I like your use of italics.
Ty, corpies troll because I do the same on our own forum. All be it with smaller text and a somewhat pinkish colour. |
ACE McFACE
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
34
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Posted - 2011.10.23 08:16:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Im hoping they limit the Tornado to just Auto Cannons. As much fun as it would be to have 20 guys in 50m isk Alpha fleet ganking a frieghter, people might see that as somewhat overpowered given they get most of that back in insurance.
Or if they are allowed Arties then I guess I should spend the first week in said ganking fleets before it gets nerfed and I miss out on a frieghter drop of about 10Billion. I would be a sad panda seeing that KM without my name on it.
Won't someone please think of the afk frighter pilots..... sry but I can foresee the massive ***** thread incoming. I didn't realise Miila was back and using italics instead of colours to trick people into thinking thier point is more valid than anyone elses. ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
143
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Posted - 2011.10.23 08:16:00 -
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Albeit.
Please don't tell me you also say irregardless, point in case, be more pacific, could care less, for all intensive purposes and escape goat.
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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:10:00 -
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afterburning armor HACs? this some kind of joke? the only saving graces of HACs are their speed and agility, and you cant get either with this philosophy. if youre armor tanking a HAC, you might as well fly a BC.
BCs totally **** HACs in medium/short range scenarios. as i stated, due to vastly more EHP, and more DPS. sniper zealot gangs dont cut it now, and certainly wont cut it when tier 3 BC's snipe them from 150km.
can we have some actual PVP'ers comment please? |
Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance
19
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:11:00 -
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Next time just cut to the point and ask for a buff to HACs OP... |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:12:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I'll see your large artillery Tornado and raise you a afterburner pulse Zealot at close range.
right. might as well use a harbie for more dps. besides, how will you waddle over to the Tornado? with an AB?
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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:13:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:Next time just cut to the point and ask for a buff to HACs OP...
just asking: what is HAC role now, and what will it be in the winter expansion? i thought that was quite clear.
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:20:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:right. might as well use a harbie for more dps. besides, how will you waddle over to the Tornado? with an AB? You use Tacklers and Bubbles while hovering around 30 hitting them with Heavy Pulse. The Arty will miss because there Sig Tanking with sig of 125 and a speed of over 500. 1400mm Guns won't hit that. They will hit a Harbinger with over double the Sig.
You want to complain about HAC's pick a worse off Bird then the Zealot. that sits at 13 on the Top 20 EVEkill list. 13 Zealot 12038. The Zealot suffers more from Drake which will be the Primary Prey of the Tornado.
If you want to complain about HAC's there is the Eagle, Deimos and the Sacrilege. The others are well used. |
Berendas
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
1
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:25:00 -
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I wish I had an excuse to dust off my Zealot. The Vagabond is the only HAC that actually does something in PVP that a BC can't do easily. |
Trusty Jutspezic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:40:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:afterburning armor HACs? this some kind of joke? the only saving graces of HACs are their speed and agility, and you cant get either with this philosophy. if youre armor tanking a HAC, you might as well fly a BC. BCs totally **** HACs in medium/short range scenarios. as i stated, due to vastly more EHP, and more DPS. sniper zealot gangs dont cut it now, and certainly wont cut it when tier 3 BC's snipe them from 150km. can we have some actual PVP'ers comment please? I'm an actual PVPer, you're pretty ******* ignorant dude. |
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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:40:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:right. might as well use a harbie for more dps. besides, how will you waddle over to the Tornado? with an AB? You use Tacklers and Bubbles while hovering around 30 hitting them with Heavy Pulse. The Arty will miss because there Sig Tanking with sig of 125 and a speed of over 500. 1400mm Guns won't hit that. They will hit a Harbinger with over double the Sig.
this is pure fantasy from your mind. zealot sits at the top of HAC list in kills because of sniper gangs. zealot belongs at 100km+, otherwise you bring a harbie. snipe HAC gangs are more or less obsolete now, and will completely cease to exist with the new BCs that will easily be able to alpha cruiser+ ships from 150km. apocs and rokhs can already do this. tier 3 BCs will be able to do this as well, but with more mobility.
im not complaining about individual HACs, im saying they have no role.
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
63
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:45:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:Just wondering, what will be the role of HACs when the tier 3 BC's come out? already, HACs dont have a role because BCs have more EHP and DPS at close/mid range. sniper gangs have a tiny niche, but the new BC's will easily surpass them with large artys, hybrids and pulses.
what do? already there is little reason to get into a HAC.
HACs are indeed outperformed by the t1 battlecruisers in terms of damage output and tank as a stand alone platform. What HACs do offer is significantly better speed and range, and it is with these properties you will find the role better suitded for the HAC than the BC. HACs also offer increased resists, which makes them more effective than BCs in gangs employing logistics ships.
In a solo or small gang environment, the advantage of the HAC is generally in control - they're excellent at dictating when and where the engagement occurs, they are better at forcing you into a fight where you don't want it, and they are better at escaping unfavorable encounters. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
93
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:46:00 -
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what the hell is wrong with the forums this weekend? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Leiv Dzienovich
Tax Is Bad
0
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Posted - 2011.10.23 17:47:00 -
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You're complaining about hacs having no roles, yet you then dispute the viability of a widely used, and widely known to be effective, role for hacs in pvp.... Maybe its time you lern2play? |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
82
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Posted - 2011.10.23 18:13:00 -
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HAC's will be exactly where they are now as the proposed tier3 BCs won't compete with them in the same way that the tier2 do.
What the stupidity called tier3 BCs will do is make the lower tier BS a thing of the past except in rare cases .. BC mobility with BS damage/range .. why should anyone ever want to use tier1 BS? The only ways that can be prevented is if some harsh anti-blob measures are put in place (chances of that are slim to none) or they start out so pre-nerfed as to make them useless.
Roaming alpha/gank tier3 BC blobs and defensive tier3 BS (90% Abbaddons) blobs .. add in a smattering of capitals and you have space as it will look for the next two years.
Gallente are the only ones who get to go free as the new BC will probably not be a drone platform so the Dominix will still have a place in Eve .. but Tempests, Armageddons and Scorpion/Ravens will becomes newb vehicles only used in missions and as disposable ratters. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
63
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Posted - 2011.10.23 18:22:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote: What the stupidity called tier3 BCs will do is make the lower tier BS a thing of the past except in rare cases .. BC mobility with BS damage/range .. why should anyone ever want to use tier1 BS?
The ones that want tank and not only gank. Sure the Tier 3 BCs should push BS firepower, but they will be glass cannons compared to a properly fitted battleship. Tank is more important than gank in medium size fleet PVP. A fleet of Tier 1 BS should have no problem pwning a similary sized fleet of Tier 3 BCs, all other factors beeing equal. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
82
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Posted - 2011.10.23 18:37:00 -
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If tank is a concern, then why use tier1/2 BS when the tier3's offer both more dps and tank than the lower tiers?
Introducing a platform that does the same damage at the same ranges but has 3-4 times better mobility at the expense of what will probably be very close to tier1 BS EHP (can get dangerously close with tier2's as it is now).
It is my hope that CCP sees the folly of adding yet another generic gank/tank BC (with bigguns!) and instead make them BC sized destroyers: sluggish with zero tank and scary tracking/range .. should put those damn T3's in their place.
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Narwhals Ate My Duck
17
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Posted - 2011.10.23 20:23:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:this is pure fantasy from your mind. zealot sits at the top of HAC list in kills because of sniper gangs. zealot belongs at 100km+, otherwise you bring a harbie. snipe HAC gangs are more or less obsolete now, and will completely cease to exist with the new BCs that will easily be able to alpha cruiser+ ships from 150km. apocs and rokhs can already do this. tier 3 BCs will be able to do this as well, but with more mobility.
im not complaining about individual HACs, im saying they have no role.
Somehow, I doubt you've experienced the level of grape a PL Fist gang can inflict on a fleet of large turret based ships...
Seriously, do not diss the Zealot - or sigrad tanking for that matter. HACs (you know, the good ones, not the Diemost &co.) have a role: that is to provide BC level dammage output in a much more compact format than say, a BC or BS - they're also fast, even with an AB, which makes them lethal against Battleships and Capitals. Obviously there are variations on this (read: Vagabond and the like), but overall the roles are there.
You're exaggerating the effect of penalties beyond what they really are. AHACs are a proven concept too, like it or not.
Now, wouldn't it be nice if the couple of HACs that actually need some love (Sacri, Diemost, Eagle) were brought up to par?
Just sayin' |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
152
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Posted - 2011.10.23 20:30:00 -
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Move along, everyone. It's either a troll, or someone so dense that all hope is lost. |
Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
112
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:09:00 -
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Quote:right. might as well use a harbie for more dps. besides, how will you waddle over to the Tornado? with an AB?
Like this, obviously. |
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
155
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:18:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Hirana Yoshida wrote: What the stupidity called tier3 BCs will do is make the lower tier BS a thing of the past except in rare cases .. BC mobility with BS damage/range .. why should anyone ever want to use tier1 BS?
The ones that want tank and not only gank. Sure the Tier 3 BCs should push BS firepower, but they will be glass cannons compared to a properly fitted battleship. Tank is more important than gank in medium size fleet PVP. A fleet of Tier 1 BS should have no problem pwning a similary sized fleet of Tier 3 BCs, all other factors beeing equal. Must say a Drake with Cruise launchers doesn't sound that bad, though ....... |
Proteus Maximus
The Red Exhilez Chaos Theory Alliance
17
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Posted - 2011.10.23 21:40:00 -
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Thing is with the new tier 3 BC is yes they will fit BS weapons... but what size. Taken into account there are a big heap of BS weapons that for the most part no one uses. Like the small and medium size for instance. Who's to say that this class of ship will. Have the grid to rack a full spread of 1400 artys or comparably sized blaster and laser turrets. We just don't know yet so pretty much its all conjecture.
Oh and I agree. OP next time just ask to buff the ship you want. Fear mongering is sniffed out faster than soiled panties around here. Eve... It's just a better class of Idiot. |
Dunn Idaho
Core Impulse
5
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Posted - 2011.10.23 22:08:00 -
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JamesCLK wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:this is pure fantasy from your mind. zealot sits at the top of HAC list in kills because of sniper gangs. zealot belongs at 100km+, otherwise you bring a harbie. snipe HAC gangs are more or less obsolete now, and will completely cease to exist with the new BCs that will easily be able to alpha cruiser+ ships from 150km. apocs and rokhs can already do this. tier 3 BCs will be able to do this as well, but with more mobility.
im not complaining about individual HACs, im saying they have no role.
Somehow, I doubt you've experienced the level of grape a PL Fist gang can inflict on a fleet of large turret based ships...Seriously, do not diss the Zealot - or sigrad tanking for that matter. HACs (you know, the good ones, not the Diemost &co.) have a role: that is to provide BC level dammage output in a much more compact format than say, a BC or BS - they're also fast, even with an AB, which makes them lethal against Battleships and Capitals. Obviously there are variations on this (read: Vagabond and the like), but overall the roles are there. You're exaggerating the effect of penalties beyond what they really are. AHACs are a proven concept too, like it or not. Now, wouldn't it be nice if the couple of HACs that actually need some love (Sacri, Diemost, Eagle) were brought up to par? Just sayin'
Actually AHACS are esay to counter these days with a fleet of baddons, supported by a few AB loki's webbing the primaries down for the BS guns to hit them.
In that situation they just melt. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
63
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Posted - 2011.10.23 23:01:00 -
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Jennifer Starling wrote: Must say a Drake with Cruise launchers doesn't sound that bad, though .......
Except you wont get it. I expect to see no tanking bonuses on the new battlecruisers. These are meant to be glass cannons compared to battelships. Awesome high caliber firepower, comparetively weak tank - say 40-50k EHP like a shieldtanked Cane. Bonuses will probably centre around damage, maybe fitting and possibly EWAR, but not tank. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
48
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Posted - 2011.10.23 23:04:00 -
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Jennifer Starling wrote:Must say a Drake with Cruise launchers doesn't sound that bad, though ....... Except it is more likley to be a Ferox with large railguns. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Breaker77
Reclamation Industries
22
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Posted - 2011.10.23 23:11:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote: HACs are indeed outperformed by the t1 battlecruisers in terms of damage output and tank as a stand alone platform.
Another idiot who fails to realize that an Ishtar can almost out DPS and completely out tank a BS.
Seriously, 5 sentry, 5 heavy, 5 medium, and 5 light drones plus 3 medium turrets coupled with an AB or MWD means that you can outrun most targets and field an almost unending source of DPS through drones.
With even a basic armor tank setup you can achieve 90+ resist on all types of damage. Factor in the speed from an AB or MWD and you are next to impossible to hit.
If you PvP they better bring a few webs or they can't hit you. If you PvE, you can the solo the entire AE in half the time of a BS while killing every ship and using your extra 2 high slots for a tractor beam and salvager.
I call the OP out as a troll and idiot!
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
63
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Posted - 2011.10.23 23:12:00 -
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Dunn Idaho wrote: Actually AHACS are esay to counter these days with a fleet of baddons, supported by a few AB loki's webbing the primaries down for the BS guns to hit them.
In that situation they just melt.
You are talking about different things. The OP claims that sniper BS will melt HACs, which they might do if you fit the HACs as snipers. However, a well executed armor-HAC gang will absolutely destroy a sniper BS-gang. But enter the Hellcat pulsebaddon, and the ArmorHAC gang runs into serious problems. But even the mighty Hellcat runs into trouble against a 100 alpha Muninns fitted for range - or a Alpha-Maelstrom gang.
Its simple really. Rock Paper Scissors. HACs absolutely have their role still, but they are not unbeatable, nor should they be. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Narwhals Ate My Duck
17
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Posted - 2011.10.23 23:17:00 -
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Dunn Idaho wrote: Actually AHACS are esay to counter these days with a fleet of baddons, supported by a few AB loki's webbing the primaries down for the BS guns to hit them.
In that situation they just melt.
I'm not argueing that AHAC fleets are indestructible, just that they have a role. And I will not deny that they will melt once they lose the only thing that keeps the big guns from hitting them.
Just like how a Dramiel will die once you put a couple of webs on it, unfortunately Drams can run away even with a pair of webs applied
Obviously your example works because you have cruiser sized vessels (the Lokis) with webs and a sigrad tank of their own. Once you eliminate an AHACs speed (and/or sigrad, if you fit target painters), it is pretty much dead.
I have to say though, for a solution, yours is pretty expensive when you consider the default counter to an AHAC fleet is a blob of Drakes.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
207
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Posted - 2011.10.23 23:29:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:escape goat
I'm listening. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
13
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Posted - 2011.10.24 03:06:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Albeit. Please don't tell me you also say irregardless, point in case, be more pacific, could care less, for all intensive purposes and escape goat.
In all consideration, from time to time, Ones own opinion, To be frank, This I foresee, and not to play devils.... I will stop now |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
98
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Posted - 2011.10.24 04:42:00 -
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Dunn Idaho wrote:JamesCLK wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:this is pure fantasy from your mind. zealot sits at the top of HAC list in kills because of sniper gangs. zealot belongs at 100km+, otherwise you bring a harbie. snipe HAC gangs are more or less obsolete now, and will completely cease to exist with the new BCs that will easily be able to alpha cruiser+ ships from 150km. apocs and rokhs can already do this. tier 3 BCs will be able to do this as well, but with more mobility.
im not complaining about individual HACs, im saying they have no role.
Somehow, I doubt you've experienced the level of grape a PL Fist gang can inflict on a fleet of large turret based ships...Seriously, do not diss the Zealot - or sigrad tanking for that matter. HACs (you know, the good ones, not the Diemost &co.) have a role: that is to provide BC level dammage output in a much more compact format than say, a BC or BS - they're also fast, even with an AB, which makes them lethal against Battleships and Capitals. Obviously there are variations on this (read: Vagabond and the like), but overall the roles are there. You're exaggerating the effect of penalties beyond what they really are. AHACs are a proven concept too, like it or not. Now, wouldn't it be nice if the couple of HACs that actually need some love (Sacri, Diemost, Eagle) were brought up to par? Just sayin' Actually AHACS are esay to counter these days with a fleet of baddons, supported by a few AB loki's webbing the primaries down for the BS guns to hit them. In that situation they just melt.
Well, the best you can hope for in that situation is evening the odds if the Fist fleet is properly set up.
The key ingredient that most people over look (mostly because it is so counter intuitive when talking about fitting a Zealot) is the fact that every pilot in the Fist fleet has a EW module of some type in the mids.
We ran proof of concept missions right after Fist fleets came out and yes Loki's can make a big difference. However they will be primary of the entire Fist fleet and all EW will be turned on them until they are gone. Still, that buys time... more so if you have a good logistics team on hand to back them up.
Most of the fleets we encountered that were trying to copy PL's tactic left out the vital EW component of their set ups and were much less effective in their efforts.
As to the other Hac's mentioned, I am hopeful that the hybrid balancing about to take place will help out the Deimos and the Eagle... and while I can't help liking the Sac for some odd reason, it needs... something.
Edit:
Almost forgot.
Current BC's are hard to kill primarily because of their tanking bonus. Since apparently the bulk of the bonus Tier 3 BC's receive will go towards being able to mount the BS weaponry (probably the smaller sizes), and possibly range and/or speed, I seriously doubt they will be difficult to kill when you get on top of them. I also doubt they will be able to mount as many weapons as a full sized BS typically can.
All in all the potential to be a very nice glass cannon that can be used to good effect, but having the inherent weaknesses that all glass cannons do. Poor tracking BS guns, high damage, possibly long range, possibly above average speed, and easy to kill inside optimal makes for interesting times ahead. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
ACE McFACE
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
39
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Posted - 2011.10.25 06:54:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Move along, everyone. It's either a troll, or someone so dense that all hope is lost. I think hes on to something. I mean... do you see Zealots mining? or running missions? A Hurricane or Harbinger can do both much better than a Zealot, clearly Zealots need to become a dedicated mining ship. ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
231
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:08:00 -
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OP, stop posting. You are making a huge fool out of yourself. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
231
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:09:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Move along, everyone. It's either a troll, or someone so dense that all hope is lost. I think hes on to something. I mean... do you see Zealots mining? or running missions? A Hurricane or Harbinger can do both much better than a Zealot, clearly Zealots need to become a dedicated mining ship.
You don't see zealots because you live in high-sec. A quick venture into null-sec will show you Zealot fleets wtfpwning both BS and BC fleets. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
187
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:10:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I'll see your large artillery Tornado and raise you a afterburner pulse Zealot at close range.
I like this guy's style!
- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
231
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:18:00 -
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This thread has infinite degrees of amusement. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:50:00 -
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Make Heavy Assault ships cheaper, might make them a bit more viable, theres almost no point to using a HAC when bc are so cheap and insurable. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
180
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:54:00 -
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Haulin Aussie wrote:Make Heavy Assault ships cheaper, might make them a bit more viable, theres almost no point to using a HAC when bc are so cheap and insurable. Speed, Resists, Scan Res, Range, Drone Space and Sig Radius have almost no point.
Everyone stop flying Vegabonds now, Hurricanes are cheaper. |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.10.25 08:02:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:Make Heavy Assault ships cheaper, might make them a bit more viable, theres almost no point to using a HAC when bc are so cheap and insurable. Speed, Resists, Scan Res, Range, Drone Space and Sig Radius have almost no point. Everyone stop flying Vegabonds now, Hurricanes are cheaper. Renan Ruivo wrote:This thread has infinite degrees of amusement. The Smiles go all the way to my Bones.
1/8 aint bad bro. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
180
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Posted - 2011.10.25 08:04:00 -
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Haulin Aussie wrote: 1/8 aint bad bro.
Zealot, Cerberus, Ishtar and Muniin are wondering what you are on about.
No one cares what the Sac thinks but the Eagle and Deimos are syked for winter. |
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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
168
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Posted - 2011.10.25 08:21:00 -
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mmm.... Hybrid balancing, and not having people shoot down my dps all the time.
Can't wait to actually fly a diemost around and live up to the name o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
ACE McFACE
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
41
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Posted - 2011.10.26 06:50:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Move along, everyone. It's either a troll, or someone so dense that all hope is lost. I think hes on to something. I mean... do you see Zealots mining? or running missions? A Hurricane or Harbinger can do both much better than a Zealot, clearly Zealots need to become a dedicated mining ship. You don't see zealots because you live in high-sec. A quick venture into null-sec will show you Zealot fleets wtfpwning both BS and BC fleets. Sorry I didnt realise I said Zealots can't PvP
Also just because I live in high sec now doesn't mean I have never ventured beyond that mysterious 0.4 gate ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |
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