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Deaconn Frostt
Li3's Electric Cucumber
Li3 Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:19:00 -
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To be honest as soon as it said PS3 only I crossed it off the list.
I would have rather them have come up with more unique and improved gameplay for eve it self such as super carriers actually being able to carry people in thier ships in the hold ready to spew them out into space after cynoing into a battle. |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
102
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:26:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:Do people here WANT connection with Dust?
Not really, no.
It's not that I hate it, I just don't care. |
Ned Taggart
The Scope
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:50:00 -
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I think it would kinda cool to integrate them, as long as it wouldn't deduct from current gameplay. I think it would be cool to fight it out over planets and their resources. In fact, I would take it even further and add an alliance command structure to it in the form of like an RTS type game that gives orders to the fleets and the squads. I would totally dig flying a hotdrop ship planetside and dropping off a squad while a massive battle is taking place in the system above. Tie all this in with EVR and you have the making of some really epic gaming.
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iskflakes
648
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:56:00 -
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"Let's have one universe ... wait, actually let's split it into two"
Very few EVE players want DUST. Most of us will never play it as long as it's not on PC.. apparently it has poor reviews anyway, so nothing important was missed.
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Illest Insurrectionist
Angelic Insurrection Corp
121
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:56:00 -
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I wouldn't mind selling them crap.
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Cat Troll
Systems Federation
Coalition of Galactic Unity
334
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:39:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:"Let's have one universe ... wait, actually let's split it into two"
Very few EVE players want DUST. Most of us will never play it as long as it's not on PC.. apparently it has poor reviews anyway, so nothing important was missed.
A few things.
1. The Dust portion of EVE would probably never have come.
They invested a pretty big amount on it, they expect a return.
Now they have TWO income sources, instead of one.
2. What scores did EVE start with again?
Lolwut:
"Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
handige harrie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:51:00 -
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As long as both parties get some meaningful gameplay out of it, sure why not.
PC is not meaningful gameplay btw, since both sides get nothing out of it atm.
Baddest poster ever |
Galaxy Chicken
New Order Logistics
CODE.
13
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:31:00 -
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I wouldn't mind seeing more, actual connection, not dependence though. Those kind of games are subject to death, and what everyone's afraid of is it dragging EVE down with it.
Go with the Code.
www.minerbumping.com |
Dinger
Task Force Delta-14
6
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:49:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:Do people here WANT connection with Dust? And I mean ACTUAL connection, not the silly one. "Oh we can provide orbital support, but the NPC can do it too" I saw a thread the other day on the Dust forums, explaining that CCP are basically in a design straightjacket. Judy Maat wrote:There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of:
"either game should be able to survive without the other one"
You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel. I kind of agree with him. But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this?EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other? Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE.
This was always going to be Dust's biggest problem, it either has to have so little impact on Eve that it can safely be ignored, or it has to have such a large impact that it can't.
A much as I personally would love to see it (hopefully as some kind of replacement to the current sovereignty system) the latter is not possbile as long as Dust remains a console exclusive, people who have put the time and effort to build up their little corner of space are simply not going to tolerate losing it based on the outcome of a battle they cannot participate in, and no, orbital bombardment doesn't count. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
530
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:50:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:I don't care about Dust. At all. So no, I do not desire more or better connectivity with Dust, but I do agree with the sentiment Eve should be able to survive without Dust. Vice-versa, not so much. I feel Dust is a spin-off and not on equal footing with the core game. It's the X-COM: Enforcer to the original X-COM. Hmm, that's a problem I feel. Why isn't this game on equal footing? It has a 10 year plan, it has much resources and money poured into it, it has as many adverts as EVE. This really doesn't look like a spin off, this looks like another game that's supposed to enrich the experience for both sides. Just my opinion though, keep posting, I want to get a consensus.
In my experience resources, advertising and money do not guarantee a great game. If anything the big AAA titles of the last 5 years have been mostly rehashes of existing concepts, with some motion sensors tacked on for good measure. A 10 year plan for a console FPS seems excessive, almost as if nobody ever looked at the actual life expectancy of a console FPS. I just don't believe in that model. If it works for CCP all power to them, but the only FPS to be still commercially relevant 10 years later is the original Doom. And that's not because it connects to some other game about internet spaceships. |
Cipher Deninard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:01:00 -
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Personally I like the idea of EVE and Dust being linked.
I'd like to see Dust have a slightly larger impact on EVE, at the moment I notice absolutely no change. Barely ever hear about Dust any more.
But I do not want either game to be dependant at all on the other. Which I realise makes it very difficult for CCP to achieve a good balance. If EVE players could do the things they already do but maybe get some bonuses from Dust or something then I think it would be all right. But the bonuses need to be big enough that players actually want them. |
Caldari Citizen 20120308
State War Academy
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:26:00 -
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CCP should keep it simple and not try to over do it. I am currently a dust bunny and the goals currently are farming isk/sp and nothing more imo. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
54
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:36:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Not really. The potential economic and industrial possibilities are interesting, but that is it. The reason for this is the strict separation between the communities and the games. It's a situation where the two different games, with different hardware, with different communities share gameplay. No added interaction between the games can fix it as long as it's not on the PC.
The problem is also, that neighter can expand to it's full potential, because the other game already inhabits the same space. EVE players were really interested in the possibility of landing on planets, flying in atmosphere and taking your character to actually go out and fight in a true open scifi universe. Most of that will never happen now because of DUST and what's even worse is, that there is a hardware barrier preventing an EVE player from accessing that gameplay with ease. EVE's future potential was literally removed from us, given to another game and easy access to it was denied to us by making it a PS3 exclusive. As long as I can't just start up my PC and log on to EVE and DUST, the less space DUST occupies in the EVE universe the better it is for our game. It's a shame, but that's how it is.
Wish I could like this post 10 more times.
I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
659
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:43:00 -
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A boat needs an anchor. But when it sets sail it pulls it up.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
789
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:45:00 -
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Yes and No.
Yes, if they bring Dust to pc. I dream of the day when we can have the space marines help in the fight against illegal miners.
No, if it stays on playstation.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:47:00 -
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CCP should have focused on WiS rather than DUST or that other game. That would have been a true addition to the eve universe, and could have enticed a whole new group of casual gamers who just want to play barbie in jita. Instead, we have a vampire themed vapourware and a FPS shooter that will only attract hardcore gamers who play eve anyways. |
Black Dranzer
312
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:00:00 -
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I don't particularly care. I mean, okay, yes, the theoretical idea of providing fire support to people in an FPS from a ship is kind of cool, but then I stop and think to myself, now hang on, does that really even matter? It's neat, but it's not profitable, it's not useful, it's not even that interesting. My function could be replaced by a simple game mechanic. Their function could be removed entirely; We functioned just fine without them. And it's a console game on a dying platform, no less. Even when the PS4 comes out, presumably CCP are going to continue to try and maintain compatibility with DUST, which will mean the game will be limited by current hardware.
I'd have been far happier to have seen all that development time and money put into the WIS side of Eve. Or hell, even that.. whatever the hell MMO with the vampires thing CCP is working on? I don't even give a crap about that, but I think it'd be a better investment of time than a dudebro FPS.
That first person flying game with the carriers at fanfest probably impressed a lot of people. It didn't impress me one bit; The reason why was because I know enough about Eve's server structure to know how unfeasible it would be to have that kind of gameplay integrated into Eve as a separate game.
Anyway. If CCP wants an FPS based on the Eve universe, more power to them I guess, but it really doesn't need to be integrated with Eve. In fact, it might be better if it ISN'T, just because right now, the costs of integration are far higher than the benefits we gain. And it probably will be for a fair while.
Walking in Stations as a Social Hub: Business vs Pleasure in Incarna |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Tribal Band
719
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:10:00 -
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Personally I like the concept of dust.
No, I didn't buy a PS3 just to play 1 game.
I bought a PS3 because it could play dvd's, music cd's, blue ray films as well as games.
I'd like to see even more integration.
I want to see an expanded market place between the two groups.
I want to see an expanded manufacturing process between the two groups.
I want to see Medium & Large tactical rounds for eve players, but I also think dust players should be capable of posing a threat to the eve pilot accepting that bombardment request.
I want to see dust players have access to orbital defence systems.
I'd like to see a wider variety of maps, and mission objectives within those maps (ie more gameplay modes)
I'd like to see dust continue to grow, develop and mature, just as eve has grown, developed and matured over the last 10 years.
on a final unrelated note, it would be totally cool if we could get EVR added as a third playable game style into the eve universe
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kaastiana
Boundless Opportunity
6
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:37:00 -
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i like the idea of it being more integrated but less planet based, not entirely off-planet though.
and with more than just fps mechanics.
maybe swap drones out for clone assault pods, capturing battleship class or larger ships. can gun my turrets while they wait for deployment.
gaining access to stations in null, full takeovers or just hacking/holding the dock for limited station interaction/sabotage(taking
out repair facilities or blocking access to some ships/hanger items, stopping any ships undocking or docking)
outright theft of ships without having to get corp access rights etc, would still need to get a 'skilled' pilot to fly it out though.
EVA fights on the exteriors of stations/titans.
scavengers that board derelict stations and loot them, combat and/or stealth mechanics. brute force rip the items out or mechanic/scientific skills to get better items. requires transportation by pilots.
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Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION
Yulai Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:40:00 -
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Like a horny Roman orgy participant, My decree; the more holes to penetrate with my lust, love and appetite the better.
- Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
Xessej
Darqsyde Exploration Limited
Mass - Effect
20
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:50:00 -
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Dust is a console FPS. Console FPS have about the same lifespan as a mayfly. Intertwining Eve with a game that is going to be effectively dead by the end of the year makes absolutely no sense.
But if a connection must be made let us build the junk they use and get rid of the free stuff and let us scam them trade fairly with them. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:56:00 -
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I honestly don't care. The depth of my apathy is beyond all measure, if I could be bothered to measure it.
By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it! |
KnowUsByTheDead
Knights of the Dark Rose
119
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:15:00 -
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I want to comment on this issue, but really, words escape me. Or it could be that I just really don't give a damn.
If DUST mercs (and maybe DUST industrialists?) could build a Death Star that would track me across a system, and DD my ship....maybe then I would care. But as it stands, Planetary Conquest is in one region, that I don't operate in. FW should allow PlanCon, with player corps loyal to each empire allowed to control districts, hold PI tax, etc. The rest of non-FW lowsec should have launched PlanCon with Molden Heath.
And then there is the game itself. It is a trainwreck. Hit detection issues, unbalanced weapons, and I find the UI unintuitive. There are far better shooters out there, and in my humble opinion, newly unveiled IP's that make DUST look like Goldeneye. Titanfall, anyone? And launching at the end of a console's life cycle? Really? CCP has to have had access to PS4 dev kits for awhile. Why even bother at this point?
Now there is the possibility that what we have now, is merely a test on the PS3, and that a far more advanced, and refined version of the game is held firmly under wraps for PS4/PC (maybe using Unreal 4?), especially with Planetside 2 making it's way to PS4, but I don't hold my hopes high, lol. Maybe this shadow PS4/PC version will add the Mechs we were promised, and add PlanCon to both FW and at least the rest of non-FW lowsec to the mix. Maybe we will see the addition of more open world planetary spaces? Or DUST industrialists, who can be harassed by a lone sniper, dropped on a planet by a suicide ganker for double the tears. Or actual urban environments. But who knows?
As of right now, on the apathy meter, DUST is like a 10 out of 10. Doesn't effect me in the slightest. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
354
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:20:00 -
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I'm on the fence about DUST. It's a neat idea, and has potential, but I don't think CCP rolled it out very well. Honestly, it should have been full-on integrated from release. I know, pretty much an impossible task, but the baby steps thing just means folks on both sides stop caring.
Right now there's just not enough benefit for capsuleers to help DUST bunnies, and little reason for the bunnies to seek help from us. Longer it stays that way, the worse off things will be. Honestly, when/if it comes to the chopping block, DUST will be the one to go.
Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
61
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:27:00 -
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I say make planetary control matter in null sec, then remove the ability for DUST players to call in an orbital during a PC match unless there is an EVE pilot in space to launch it. Make different percents of planetary control in a constellation a requirement for different levels of sovereignty.
Then, instead of just clone packs being supplied by the planets incorporate all of the planetary commodities into DUST district control. Limit PI in null to only the districts held by the major space alliance, or allow contracts to be placed by EVE pilots to kill PI installations on the planets.
Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought. |
Adunh Slavy
1031
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:22:00 -
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Dust should have been an RTS type game, not an FPS. |
Knights Armament
Yale Socialite Club
28
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:31:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:Do people here WANT connection with Dust? And I mean ACTUAL connection, not the silly one. "Oh we can provide orbital support, but the NPC can do it too" I saw a thread the other day on the Dust forums, explaining that CCP are basically in a design straightjacket. Judy Maat wrote:There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of:
"either game should be able to survive without the other one"
You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel. I kind of agree with him. But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this?EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other? Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE.
The dust universe doesn't make sense, 32 players in battle suits battle over a control tower, why bother when moon mining is more lucrative? Then you have to ask, why can't we use drones to do the fighting on the ground, does the nyx now have the drone control range to accomplish this?
When the DUST is settled, everything will change.
EVERYTHING |
Knights Armament
Yale Socialite Club
28
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:33:00 -
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Dust would be neat if it was like Mech Commander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDmSkMzoFuU
When the DUST is settled, everything will change.
EVERYTHING |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION
Yulai Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:36:00 -
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PC Client for Dust 514 please CCP
(personal Computer not politically Correct)
- Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
auraofblade
Kid's Logistics Inc
League of Infamy
14
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:44:00 -
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The problem as I see it is that CCP is way too apprehensive about creating any sort of meaningful link between the games. In a way, I'd actually greatly desire the madness that would ensue from something like a merged economy, if only to see how badly everything gets shaken up.
Could these links possibly ruin everything? Yes. More likely than not, actually. But it's either that or letting DUST die a slow, painful death, which really doesn't benefit anybody.
I dunno, I mean CCP already took a massive risk just trying to build DUST at all, yet now they're suddenly getting cold feet with integrating it? Throw the godforsaken kitchen sink at it already. |
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