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Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
334
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:21:00 -
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Do people here WANT connection with Dust? And I mean ACTUAL connection, not the silly one. "Oh we can provide orbital support, but the NPC can do it too"
I saw a thread the other day on the Dust forums, explaining that CCP are basically in a design straightjacket.
Judy Maat wrote:There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of: "either game should be able to survive without the other one"
You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel.
I kind of agree with him.
But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this? EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other? Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
486
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:26:00 -
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What's dust?
I never noticed any impact on my Eve game |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
334
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:28:00 -
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Miilla wrote:What's dust?
I never noticed any impact on my Eve game My question is would you want impact? That was the point of this thread, to gather opinions.
Impact means both sides can benefit, and both sides can get screwed. Both sides can get screwed is what I believe people are warry from. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
486
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:29:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:Miilla wrote:What's dust?
I never noticed any impact on my Eve game My question is would you want impact? That was the point of this thread, to gather opinions. Impact means both sides can gain, and both sides can get screwed. Both sides can get screwed is what I believe people are warry from.
That was my opinion...
Dust, don't care about consoles, console games nor console players.
I am quite happy they are in their walled garden and not in mine.
They can do what they want, as long as its not in my back yard. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
334
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:34:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Cat Troll wrote:Miilla wrote:What's dust?
I never noticed any impact on my Eve game My question is would you want impact? That was the point of this thread, to gather opinions. Impact means both sides can gain, and both sides can get screwed. Both sides can get screwed is what I believe people are warry from. That was my opinion... Dust, don't care about consoles, console games nor console players. I am quite happy they are in their walled garden and not in mine. They can do what they want, as long as its not in my back yard. http://www.wallgc.com/images/2012/12/pc-gaming-master-race-image-pc-gamers-desura.jpg Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
529
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:35:00 -
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I don't care about Dust. At all. So no, I do not desire more or better connectivity with Dust, but I do agree with the sentiment Eve should be able to survive without Dust. Vice-versa, not so much. I feel Dust is a spin-off and not on equal footing with the core game. It's the X-COM: Enforcer to the original X-COM. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
334
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:40:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:I don't care about Dust. At all. So no, I do not desire more or better connectivity with Dust, but I do agree with the sentiment Eve should be able to survive without Dust. Vice-versa, not so much. I feel Dust is a spin-off and not on equal footing with the core game. It's the X-COM: Enforcer to the original X-COM. Hmm, that's a problem I feel. Why isn't this game on equal footing? It has a 10 year plan, it has much resources and money poured into it, it has as many adverts as EVE. This really doesn't look like a spin off, this looks like another game that's supposed to enrich the experience for both sides.
Just my opinion though, keep posting, I want to get a consensus. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
664
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:45:00 -
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I just want a deeper connection to humanity. So, I guess, "No" would be the answer. |
Quinn Corvez
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
8
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:46:00 -
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I couldn't care less about dust because it could never compete with the likes of CoD and BF.
Maybe if CCP didn't sink so much money into it they could have used that money to make walk in stations a worthwhile experience but no, they decided to try and compete with the big boys in the, already saturated, console shooter market. It was never going to end well for them. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
365
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:51:00 -
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I don't give two rat turds about Dust.
So no, I'm not really looking for more interatcion with it, and if CCP wishes to push it, that's fine, but I will completely and utterly ignore it. |
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Drax Concrilla
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:52:00 -
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Preface: I was an avid supporter of DUST and have eagerly waited 4 years for it to come out and now that it is out - I don't even play it anymore, so much was done wrong and too much time and resources were focused on inconsequential things such as how it looks rather than the important aspects of a shooter: gameplay - specifically hit detection and vehicle handling.
If it could be done effectively, yes I would actually like deeper integration with DUST - that was the whole point of this experiment was it not? As it currently is I'd rather kill DUST. Neither party is benefiting greatly. Heck, even integrating the economies would be great. However, since DUST isn't truly built on the EVE SP system like it should be (imho) we can never have true integration without a massive rework of how DUST works - it is indeed a little brother spin off game rather than an equal as it was envisioned.
As for Orbital Strikes - the player generated ones are more powerful than the NPC barge ones - so there's at least some incentive for us to rain death. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
334
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:59:00 -
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Drax Concrilla wrote:Preface: I was an avid supporter of DUST and have eagerly waited 4 years for it to come out and now that it is out - I don't even play it anymore, so much was done wrong and too much time and resources were focused on inconsequential things such as how it looks rather than the important aspects of a shooter: gameplay - specifically hit detection and vehicle handling.
If it could be done effectively, yes I would actually like deeper integration with DUST - that was the whole point of this experiment was it not? As it currently is I'd rather kill DUST. Neither party is benefiting greatly. Heck, even integrating the economies would be great. However, since DUST isn't truly built on the EVE SP system like it should be (imho) we can never have true integration without a massive rework of how DUST works - it is indeed a little brother spin off game rather than an equal as it was envisioned.
As for Orbital Strikes - the player generated ones are more powerful than the NPC barge ones - so there's at least some incentive for us to rain death. Not by a whole lot, tbh If its infantry, you're dead no matter what. If its a tank, then its the difference between a dead tank and a heavily wouned one. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
674
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:15:00 -
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No, not really. I want WiS for my toon. Maybe WoD if it will be like EVE in vampire environment with comparable quality of avatars. And Dust is just wasting of CCP's resources: even if it will be ported to PC I won't play it (there are better shooters) and won't participate in Dust activities within EVE (what for?) |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
334
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:18:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:No, not really. I want WiS for my toon. Maybe WoD if it will be like EVE in vampire environment with comparable quality of avatars. And Dust is just wasting of CCP's resources: even if it will be ported to PC I won't play it (there are better shooters) and won't participate in Dust activities within EVE (what for?) Ding ding ding! If people don't want proper integration, there will never be something to do with Dust players that is worthwhile. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2798
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:19:00 -
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I saw some Dust players in local the other day.
I think that until they can remove their helmets for the portrait shot, they will never integrate properly into New Eden.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
334
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:22:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I saw some Dust players in local the other day. I think that until they can remove their helmets for the portrait shot, they will never integrate properly into New Eden. Mr Epeen That might be a problem since they will all look the same. From Dust lore, all the clones are exactly the same, only enhanced for combat. They don't need to look good like capsuleers, since they die a lot more, meaning its more expensive. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
State War Academy Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:22:00 -
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Nope. Don't have a PS3, don't plan on getting one, and wouldn't play Dust if I did.
Total waste of CCP's resources. The sooner they bury this corpse and use the resources they are wasting on Dust on either EVE or WoD, the better. |
Bloody Wench
565
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:22:00 -
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I went through a system once that had a bunch of pilots with a blue glow around their names in local, I was happy that the display bug fixed itself when I jumped out. |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:25:00 -
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I really don't care about Dust, but i guess i wish it the best of luck and i hope one day i can hire dust bunnies to bash a POS. |
Bloody Wench
565
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:27:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Nope. Don't have a PS3, don't plan on getting one, and wouldn't play Dust if I did.
Total waste of CCP's resources. The sooner they bury this corpse and use the resources they are wasting on Dust on either EVE or WoD, the better.
Vampire craze/fad is over, or at the very least in decline. Releasing a vampire based game now is just stupid. It's too late to cash in on it.
Yo-Yo and hula hoops haven't been a thing for a while, but they always come around periodically for a short time. CCP should make a game that centres on a Yo-Yo and hula hoops and just sit on it until the next cycle. |
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5267
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:29:00 -
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Not really. The potential economic and industrial possibilities are interesting, but that is it. The reason for this is the strict separation between the communities and the games. It's a situation where the two different games, with different hardware, with different communities share gameplay. No added interaction between the games can fix it as long as it's not on the PC.
The problem is also, that neighter can expand to it's full potential, because the other game already inhabits the same space. EVE players were really interested in the possibility of landing on planets, flying in atmosphere and taking your character to actually go out and fight in a true open scifi universe. Most of that will never happen now because of DUST and what's even worse is, that there is a hardware barrier preventing an EVE player from accessing that gameplay with ease. EVE's future potential was literally removed from us, given to another game and easy access to it was denied to us by making it a PS3 exclusive. As long as I can't just start up my PC and log on to EVE and DUST, the less space DUST occupies in the EVE universe the better it is for our game. It's a shame, but that's how it is. |
Tanuki Kittybeta
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:32:00 -
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I always thought connecting Dust to EvE is a waste of time. Doesn't add anything meaningful to the core game itself. |
Solutio Letum
Terpene Conglomerate
143
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:35:00 -
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I want eve to be more then a spaceship game, i hope dust is there for marketing and that one day we will get to play more then spaceships making it one great game... i hate the fact that they are adding another game, thats why i play eve, to only refer to one game, i dont like other series like BF3 CoD who all they do is get another game out the same or other game developers who just do different things everyday.
i dont want dust on pc or anything, i want eve to get more features, why did they work on dust instead of making it for eve players?... so menny questions...
well il keep playing eve and hope they don't **** it up again, when they'll do il be shooting a statue in space.... |
Karash Amerius
Sutoka
108
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:43:00 -
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I think DUST should put all Planetary Interaction within risk. Not being able to destroy a competitor's links and facilities is fairly stupid for Eve. Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's
29
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:54:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:I went through a system once that had a bunch of pilots with a blue glow around their names in local, I was happy that the display bug fixed itself when I jumped out.
That happened to you too, huh? Glad to know it isn't just me. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1970
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:54:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:Do people here WANT connection with Dust? And I mean ACTUAL connection, not the silly one. "Oh we can provide orbital support, but the NPC can do it too" I saw a thread the other day on the Dust forums, explaining that CCP are basically in a design straightjacket. Judy Maat wrote:There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of: "either game should be able to survive without the other one"
You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel. I kind of agree with him. But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this?EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other? Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE. If it means I can troll-strafe planets, sure. Otherwise: Meh. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Avett Brother
Thirtyplus Spaceship Samurai
25
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:11:00 -
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You know, I like the idea of Dust. I'll never own a PS3 and will probably never ever play Dust or even see it played unless on youtube.
But I like the idea and concept.
I wish I could give some Dust players a ride or escort to another planet or system. I wish I could blow up ships carrying Dust players. I wish Dust players could start a small city on a small moon and I could come and blow them up.
Or join them.
Or sell them meth.
I just like the idea. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
334
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:17:00 -
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Avett Brother wrote:You know, I like the idea of Dust. I'll never own a PS3 and will probably never ever play Dust or even see it played unless on youtube.
But I like the idea and concept.
I wish I could give some Dust players a ride or escort to another planet or system. I wish I could blow up ships carrying Dust players. I wish Dust players could start a small city on a small moon and I could come and blow them up.
Or join them.
Or sell them meth.
I just like the idea. I approve of this. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Zapp Branniqan
Bender Express Synthetic Systems
0
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:49:00 -
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Allow DUST mercs to storm a POS or a null station? |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
698
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:19:00 -
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Would like to see full market integration, but I suspect that will be the last thing to be done -- if it's ever done at all.
Ergo, I'll believe it when I see it.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
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