There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of:
"either game should be able to survive without the other one"

You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel.

What's dust?

I never noticed any impact on my Eve game

My question is would you want impact?
That was the point of this thread, to gather opinions.

Impact means both sides can gain, and both sides can get screwed.
Both sides can get screwed is what I believe people are warry from.

That was my opinion...

Dust, don't care about consoles, console games nor console players.

I am quite happy they are in their walled garden and not in mine.

They can do what they want, as long as its not in my back yard.

I don't care about Dust. At all. So no, I do not desire more or better connectivity with Dust, but I do agree with the sentiment Eve should be able to survive without Dust. Vice-versa, not so much. I feel Dust is a spin-off and not on equal footing with the core game. It's the X-COM: Enforcer to the original X-COM.

Preface: I was an avid supporter of DUST and have eagerly waited 4 years for it to come out and now that it is out - I don't even play it anymore, so much was done wrong and too much time and resources were focused on inconsequential things such as how it looks rather than the important aspects of a shooter: gameplay - specifically hit detection and vehicle handling.

If it could be done effectively, yes I would actually like deeper integration with DUST - that was the whole point of this experiment was it not? As it currently is I'd rather kill DUST. Neither party is benefiting greatly. Heck, even integrating the economies would be great. However, since DUST isn't truly built on the EVE SP system like it should be (imho) we can never have true integration without a massive rework of how DUST works - it is indeed a little brother spin off game rather than an equal as it was envisioned.

As for Orbital Strikes - the player generated ones are more powerful than the NPC barge ones - so there's at least some incentive for us to rain death.

No, not really. I want WiS for my toon. Maybe WoD if it will be like EVE in vampire environment with comparable quality of avatars. And Dust is just wasting of CCP's resources: even if it will be ported to PC I won't play it (there are better shooters) and won't participate in Dust activities within EVE (what for?)

I saw some Dust players in local the other day.

I think that until they can remove their helmets for the portrait shot, they will never integrate properly into New Eden.

Mr Epeen

Nope. Don't have a PS3, don't plan on getting one, and wouldn't play Dust if I did.

Total waste of CCP's resources. The sooner they bury this corpse and use the resources they are wasting on Dust on either EVE or WoD, the better.

I went through a system once that had a bunch of pilots with a blue glow around their names in local, I was happy that the display bug fixed itself when I jumped out.

Do people here WANT connection with Dust?
And I mean ACTUAL connection, not the silly one. "Oh we can provide orbital support, but the NPC can do it too"

I saw a thread the other day on the Dust forums, explaining that CCP are basically in a design straightjacket.



I kind of agree with him.


But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this?
EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other?
Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE.

You know, I like the idea of Dust. I'll never own a PS3 and will probably never ever play Dust or even see it played unless on youtube.

But I like the idea and concept.

I wish I could give some Dust players a ride or escort to another planet or system. I wish I could blow up ships carrying Dust players. I wish Dust players could start a small city on a small moon and I could come and blow them up.

Or join them.

Or sell them meth.

I just like the idea.

Do people here WANT connection with Dust?

"Let's have one universe ... wait, actually let's split it into two"

Very few EVE players want DUST. Most of us will never play it as long as it's not on PC.. apparently it has poor reviews anyway, so nothing important was missed.

Do people here WANT connection with Dust?
And I mean ACTUAL connection, not the silly one. "Oh we can provide orbital support, but the NPC can do it too"

I saw a thread the other day on the Dust forums, explaining that CCP are basically in a design straightjacket.



I kind of agree with him.


But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this?
EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other?
Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE.

Hmm, that's a problem I feel.
Why isn't this game on equal footing?
It has a 10 year plan, it has much resources and money poured into it, it has as many adverts as EVE.
This really doesn't look like a spin off, this looks like another game that's supposed to enrich the experience for both sides.

Just my opinion though, keep posting, I want to get a consensus.

Not really. The potential economic and industrial possibilities are interesting, but that is it. The reason for this is the strict separation between the communities and the games. It's a situation where the two different games, with different hardware, with different communities share gameplay. No added interaction between the games can fix it as long as it's not on the PC.

The problem is also, that neighter can expand to it's full potential, because the other game already inhabits the same space. EVE players were really interested in the possibility of landing on planets, flying in atmosphere and taking your character to actually go out and fight in a true open scifi universe. Most of that will never happen now because of DUST and what's even worse is, that there is a hardware barrier preventing an EVE player from accessing that gameplay with ease. EVE's future potential was literally removed from us, given to another game and easy access to it was denied to us by making it a PS3 exclusive. As long as I can't just start up my PC and log on to EVE and DUST, the less space DUST occupies in the EVE universe the better it is for our game. It's a shame, but that's how it is.

Do people here WANT connection with Dust?
And I mean ACTUAL connection, not the silly one. "Oh we can provide orbital support, but the NPC can do it too"

I saw a thread the other day on the Dust forums, explaining that CCP are basically in a design straightjacket.



I kind of agree with him.


But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this?
EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other?
Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE.

I would have to say yes to the OP's question regarding some things being EvE and some things being Dust.

New technology born from both sides could be switched to the other platform for the creation of new ships and modules that would not be possible without the other.

Capsuleers don't really understand what the EvE-Dust Hybrid is really about. Most just view it as gaming an a hassle.

But to the Master the EvE-Dust Hybrid is something more. The Hybrid is the linking of two totally separate gaming platforms into one environment.

The hybrid technology developed because of the EvE-Dust connection will eventually flow into the lives of other gamers and other computer systems.

EvE - Dust is on the edge of the unexplored technological realm which is awesome to be part of.

Just think sitting there many years from now hearing about young kids talking about Hybrid technology that will eventually allow Droid and I-Pad users to connect to PS4 Station and game on chat with you about EvE or Dust while they game on their I-pad or Droid while you engage in your environment on your PS4 where the rest of the corporation sends in reinforcements via the PC platform.

Who's to say that CCP won't eventually develop an I-Pad or Droid App where their manufacturers can bring up the production queue on their Droid setting up and maintaining manufacturing supply and demand while the rest of the corp mines on the PC Platform and you engage in missions on the surface of some god awful backwards planet that your CEO sent you to investigate because you missed a corp meeting.

My question is would you want impact?
That was the point of this thread, to gather opinions.

Impact means both sides can benefit, and both sides can get screwed.
Both sides can get screwed is what I believe people are warry from.

I say flip the f****** switch. Open it up and let it balance out now. DUST is not that fun as an FPS... the reviews suck, the driving sucks... there's a lot of problems. Merging any two economies is going to be traumatic and there are going to be winners and losers no matter what, but better to do it now when 4-6k people are playing at any given time as opposed to 50k. If DUST gets better and becomes a good FPS people will play and when the numbers go up there's going to be a lot more trauma economically. If DUST doesn't go anywhere and fails... well then who cares anyway?

Just do it already.

Incarna failed, and nobody can say what will be the future of DUST.

To me, I was stoked when DUST came out but then it kinda went limp (for a lack of better words). Really if all I gain from DUST are PI stats then theres no use for it. Now if we can use them in other aspects like fighter flying or something like taking over a system. Then I would be rip roaring with support. Then there would be a use for them. Or maybe if I wanted to anchor a POS but had to have DUST players take it for me first......

I would like more interaction with Dust.

Since like 10 ISK is about how much an average family makes a year CCP allow me to hire and arm a twenty 10000 man divisions of soldiers for like 20 million ISK and drop them on a planet where Dust Bunnies are having their little Call of Duty Match ups.

Swarm the damn place. If I am going to take over a planet from the bridge of my 1.5 kilometer long 15 million ton Battleship it sure wouldn't look like a day in Blood Gulch, It would look like Space WWII ...

I was honestly hopping we would send whole armies and check their progress like once a day. Resupply them with food, ammo, guns and reinforcements and make broad tactical plans. I was not expecting CoD in Space. /Sigh.

What's dust?

I never noticed any impact on my Eve game

If people don't want proper integration, there will never be something to do with Dust players that is worthwhile.

I have more enjoyment in station spinning than playing that poor excuse of an FPS

My question is would you want impact?
That was the point of this thread, to gather opinions.

Impact means both sides can benefit, and both sides can get screwed.
Both sides can get screwed is what I believe people are warry from.

The project itself is damn bold, to say the least. Greenlighting the development of DUST required a tremendous amount of courage, and for that I very much respect CCP; it's in everyoneGÇÖs best interest to at least be supportive by acknowledging that much.

Directed at CCP:

That having been said, and regardless as to your aspirations, there is a very real, very limited window in which to capitalize on any given audience (or audiences in this scenario). While everyone's opinions are valid and should of course be treated as such, it's impossible to prevent alienating a portion of subscribers; that is as much a fact as it is inevitable. And so, as but one man's opinion, the best course of action at this stage is simply that - action.

This may be stating the obvious, but it's absolutely crucial that you establish an action plan and follow-through to the best of your ability - now! You wish to do right by the community which is both commendable and appreciated, but I would urge you to trust your judgement and do what you do best -- then worry about repercussions and damage control after the fact. Because while pissing off a percentage of the community sucks, an ultimate failure (allowing DUST to stagnate) would be much, much more detrimental.

Hmm, that's a problem I feel.
Why isn't this game on equal footing?
It has a 10 year plan, it has much resources and money poured into it, it has as many adverts as EVE.
This really doesn't look like a spin off, this looks like another game that's supposed to enrich the experience for both sides.

Just my opinion though, keep posting, I want to get a consensus.

CCP ruin the idea again

Could i've been better to have dust and the hability to take or defend PLanetary Interaction Facilities (impacting eve)

make it a real MMO and let DUst players do it like in utopia create cities etc etc to let eve players go sneaking aroud pewpew in dark alleys at night .. but instead we got Planetside 1.5 ....!!

A few things.
1. The Dust portion of EVE would probably never have come.
They invested a pretty big amount on it, they expect a return.
Now they have TWO income sources, instead of one.

2. What scores did EVE start with again?

Two income sources dont make me laugh. How much are they really making off Dust when the average player logs in to the F2P and then realizes this game is **** and never logs on again. Sounds like a loss of income. Then CCP threw gasoline on the fire by hiring some female gamer (lets appease the virgins) to try and boost the PR for this fail. CCP do you really think hiring a female gamer is going to help Dust ( I will answer that for you NO!)?

Nope. Don't have a PS3, don't plan on getting one, and wouldn't play Dust if I did.

Total waste of CCP's resources. The sooner they bury this corpse and use the resources they are wasting on Dust on either EVE or WoD, the better.

Yes and No.

Yes, if they bring Dust to pc. I dream of the day when we can have the space marines help in the fight against illegal miners.

No, if it stays on playstation.

I couldn't care less about dust because it could never compete with the likes of CoD and BF.

Maybe if CCP didn't sink so much money into it they could have used that money to make walk in stations a worthwhile experience but no, they decided to try and compete with the big boys in the, already saturated, console shooter market. It was never going to end well for them.

...That being said, PI is quite possibly the only resource gathering method in the entire game that is entirely risk-free...

EVE PC players paid for the financing of DUST, they should be able to play the game from their PC

They need to fix the problems in Dust like yesterday. Most people who play consoles do not want to wait around for months on end for simple things to get fixed, they will simply move on to another game.

But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this?
EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other?
Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE.

I couldn't care less about dust because it could never compete with the likes of CoD and BF.

As long as DUST stays on consoles, it is fine to be connected to EVE. The moment it comes to PC, where it will fill with cheaters, all connection should be severed. Last thing we need is something in EVE dictated by who can log in the most auto-aim bots.

If you are an EVE player who would like to play Dust on PC, the best you can do is to not buy or use a ps3 and wait for PC client release, which CCP will probably release after their agreement is over.

By then the market will be flooded like it is now with better and more entertaining FPS. CCP will wake up soon enough and realize Dust was a **** poor business decision but unfortuantely there wont be a damn thing they can do about because they are locked into a contract with Sony.

Maybe Mintchip will save the day and put dust on her wishlist............

Do people here WANT connection with Dust? (...other stuff was written)

Assuming that CCP's game surveillance unit (Team Security) wouldn't be able to check your system for running botting software, monitor your client's behaviour and ban your account in case you're in breach of the EULA just like they do in EVE, is, at least, a naive assumption.

Maybe Mintchip will save the day and put dust on her wishlist............

Yeah, I for one would be spending some bucks on Dust514 in PC client to help the game, and i believe a lot of other PC players would. But since we can't log in we can go spend em somewhere else like Hawken, Blacklight, Cyberpunk 2077, Grand Theft Auto V (which will have multi-platform support)...



yes the youtube girl they hired to babysit the "console audience" right? hahahaha

CCP wouldn't find those cheats. I mean Punkbuster is out and updated and all (plus some other security sites), and players still cheat. There's now paid cheat programs that offer patches to their cheats like Windows has updates. So even Punkbuster's current method of finding cheaters is foiled, because as soon as they buy all the latest cheats to discover them, they're patched.

That's the major downside of FPS games. If it's not cheats the exploits (like the knife exploit for aiming in BF3. Never been patched). I love BF3, but h-a-t-e the cheaters and exploiters (like the C4 blast bunnies killing players from beneath floors). On the Metro servers it's so rampant that if it isn't done you're going "wow, nice server!".

Ok maybe you didn't read my post well or failed to understand this. Dust is not only a FPS, is a MMOFPS, part of CCP company that launches MMO games and has Team Security working for them. Most FPS games (that use these anti-cheat software as prevention and ban accounts based on some player reports) dont have a dedicated game surveillance unit working everyday to monitor player behaviour and ban accounts like every major MMO game company.

I can guarantee you it won't work.

Blizzard has a huge security team, and they can't even remove all the bots in the BGs and it's a MMORPG.

EvE is like Apple it's not targeted for mischief as it's not worth the effort. But introduce a FPS game, it's open season, and CCP will face the same problems.

I don't care about Dust, why even doing this?
Why CCP is trying to force connection between two games with unnecessary things or stuff that can be made in game itself?
I wont go "wooohoo huuuuray" because some dude in different game do something.
It's just bad design from the start...

I would rather want FPS or RTS game implemented into EVE itself to be able to play it

Fully integrate it and move it from PS3 to PC(personal computer). Allow pilots to transport mercs from planet to planet in PC (planetary conquest) zones and pilot dropships. Allow mercs to man guns on POS's and ships. Add the ability for mercs to capture PI bases.

As long as DUST stays on consoles, it is fine to be connected to EVE. The moment it comes to PC, where it will fill with cheaters, all connection should be severed. Last thing we need is something in EVE dictated by who can log in the most auto-aim bots.

I play a lot of BF3 on my console still with a friend, we see glitch players cheating all the time. cheating on consoles is not unheard of, happens more than you would think.

so sorry I disagree with you on this argument

Honestly? No. It's an interesting concept, but walking (DUST, WiS, whatever) should not have much, if any impact on space game. I'd go so far as to say that a "meaningful" walking game and a "meaningful" space game are mutually exclusive. Either one subordinate to the other (EVE/DUST) and suffers or both suffer from either poor/incomplete implementation, clashing ideals and cultures, or both. You either have spaceships with walking tacked on or you have walking with spaceships tacked on.

IMO, if walking has a place in space games, it's socialization and role-play, with the actual gameplay left to the spaceships.

DUST is fine where and the way it is.

Basically Dust need to be a meaningful game before we could imagine meaningful connections.
and NO, match based FPS with cool chat channels and a fancy map is not an MMO.
MMO is by definition open world where you can wonder around for no reason..
PVE or something.

NO. Not unless dust is made for PC. Having it only on Playstation is awful.

actually it's not fine where and the way it is, anyone who has played it would disagree with you. it's clunky, slow, not very fluid, not pretty, limited in scope and a rehash of the same map every other round.


no it's not fine and it needs more hardware resources that exceed the capabilities of an outdated system such is the PS3. I own a PS3, I'm a Playstation fan, BUT I never wanted Dust on PS3 and when I heard it was going exclusive, I gave up all hope on what Dust was going to eventually pan out to be...exactly what it is now...nothing lol

People want compelling gameplay, bells and whistles quickly fade....

My impression is CCP didn't envision DUST and EVE interplay from the angle of ongoing compelling gameplay, but more based on technical gymnastics alone.

I tend to refer to it as CCPeen

because all of their executive orders are about "making history" even if it's in spite of not listening to their customers or destroying their game

I think Hilmar is more destructive to his own company than he is willing to admit. The technical people are still chained to obey their bosses, even if they say that the "players will not like this" they will still have to program it at the end of the day if their boss says "do it"

Devs in the past have said, if you don't like something "speak out, speak up, tell us" or something rather. When we do, it's on deaf ears.

Also, this new EA hiring. CCPeen and Hilmar is giddy like a schoolgirl with this "epic" EA hire...

Not really. The potential economic and industrial possibilities are interesting, but that is it. The reason for this is the strict separation between the communities and the games.

My 2 ISK: They dropped the ball when they linked DUST to FW instead of Odyssey.

My 2 ISK: They dropped the ball when they linked DUST to FW instead of Odyssey.

First, not everyone is into FW. If you don't do FW then as far as you're concerned DUST doesn't exist, and even if you do join FW then DUST still has hardly any impact on your game. A few trivial stat changes in a system, nothing more, and nothing that can't be completely steamrollered by dedicated EvE FW players.

Second, exploration is where DUST could have really shined, but that would involve PvE and if Warframe has proven anything it's that there is no market for PvE FPS games. Oh wait, Warframe took off like a rocket? Whoops! I guess there is a market for online FPS PvE content. Too bad someone else realized it first, eh?

Imagine this, then: You're in an exploration cruiser. You find an exploration site, an abandoned station filled with goodies - spiffy relic of the past, worth millions of ISK. You approach the site, activate your access module and...

...Sit there for five minutes playing a idiotic mini-game designed for five year olds and then have to spaztically click all over the screen when your loot finally comes spraying out like candy from a pinata.

... You tag the site for a transport shuttle. A contract screen pops up: How much ISK are you willing to offer to DUST mercs to come in, breach the site, fight their way through it's defenses and grab all the goodies for you? The contract is entered into the network and a DUST company commander sees it pop up in their player-made contracts list. Looks like a cakewalk, the team is dispatched. But what's this? Five minutes into the mission, having fought their way past the automatic defenses, strange mutant creatures and whatnot, it appears a rival capsuleer has found the site as well and they have offered a price for that mysterious artifact at the heart of the wreck as well! Another shuttle is on it's way, bringing another team of DUST troops from a rival company, and they don't feel like sharing today.

In the end your team prevails, but not without losses, so you throw them some more ISK as a bonus. Then you add their name to your contacts list - you like people who can get the job done even in the face of adversity. And while they were out firing lasers down ancient corridors you had plenty of free time to continue exploring, searching, and finding new exploration sites to claim...


But then that would have required actual work and *gasp* creativity. So much easier to crap out another generic shooter from the template, right?

It's where it belongs. It's a FPS game and FPS games have faction foes.

FPS games don't get into the character development and all the stuff MMORPGs get into (like the drama of nerds), they're action games and need clear targets to constantly attack. EvE is blob warfare now, and too expensive to fight like in FPS games (where there's no cost in dying but the loss of stats).

At best DUST will become is a cross between Deus Ex and BF2142. DX for it blending MMOFPS and MMORPG elements of gameplay, yet still is a shooter; BF2142 for the features of combat (like Titan warfare and podding...which is different from EvE's podding).

The most fun I ever had in a game was BF2142. The variety in a FPS shooter was refreshing, as much as that box of endless 'nades.

I play dust mostly at the moment

Personally. I think if you want EVE players to care about Dust (and vice versa) both games need to be able to reach into and profoundly affect the other. This could be through resources unique to dust but needed in EVE, or though the ability to destroy a POS using Dust players, or a district with a nuke from space.

I do think CCP is correct in moving forward step by step though. Mainly because all of the whining EVE players do, even at minor changes, hurts my ears (and makes me laugh).

I think Dust has a lot of potential, and I really like the idea. It's a significantly deeper shooter than these PC elitists would like to believe, and we shouldn't be trying to block out their community. I think CCP could expand on the relationship between games without over-encroaching in either direction. Take a mechanic such as incursions or FW for example; for those that are interested in them for the combat and/or roleplay factor can gain quite a bit from investing in them, but otherwise incursions are generally of minor consequence to someone that is not interested.

Do people here WANT connection with Dust?
And I mean ACTUAL connection, not the silly one. "Oh we can provide orbital support, but the NPC can do it too"

I saw a thread the other day on the Dust forums, explaining that CCP are basically in a design straightjacket.



I kind of agree with him.


But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this?
EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other?
Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE.