| Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Justicia Universi
   |
Posted - 2005.11.22 16:37:00 -
[1]
Edited by: Justicia Universi on 22/11/2005 16:40:35
CCP it is quite sad that Faction Pirate Ships are easier to obtain and even superior to Empire Faction Ships.
Please alter the LP costs and frequency offers so that flying Empire faction ships would be alot easier than it is now. I see alot of Pirate Faction Ships about, its not yet Common or Uncommon, but alot more frequent then say a Federation Navy Megathron. This is fairly insane. One last thing, the Pirate Faction Ships are in many ways superior to an Empire Faction Ship as well.
To sum it up, Empire Faction Ships cost too much LP, are not offered often enough and are slightly, if not, vastly inferior to their Pirate Faction counterparts. Please revise on RMR.
Thank you,
|
HippoKing
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 16:38:00 -
[2]
MAKE WHOLE CAPS THREAD NAMES LOCKABLE!
|
Avon
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 16:39:00 -
[3]
Maybe you see more pirate faction ships because they are better?
______________________________________________
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Bagdh Dearg
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 16:40:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: HippoKing
MAKE WHOLE CAPS THREAD NAMES LOCKABLE!
Nice idea, Im sure it wouldnt be too difficult to put in when they add in the search feature 
_______________________________________________
An tT nach bhfuil lßidir nf folßir d= bheith glic
-He who is not strong must be crafty |
Jennai
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 16:40:00 -
[5]
the comet looks really cool but most players will never see one because they cost 100m isk or some absurd number of LP.
it's a frigate, it shouldn't cost that much. if you want a daredevil or succubus you can go run 1/10 complexes in a T1 frig, but if you want a comet you have to sit on ~10k LP and wait for the offer for a comet that takes 90m isk, or grind for ages to get the comet offer that doesn't cost isk.
|
Bsport
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 16:43:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Jennai
the comet looks really cool but most players will never see one because they cost 100m isk or some absurd number of LP.
it's a frigate, it shouldn't cost that much. if you want a daredevil or succubus you can go run 1/10 complexes in a T1 frig, but if you want a comet you have to sit on ~10k LP and wait for the offer for a comet that takes 90m isk, or grind for ages to get the comet offer that doesn't cost isk.
but then they wouldnt be special, they are more a collectors ship
--------
|
Pehova Mindtriq
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 16:43:00 -
[7]
it's more risky doing missions for the pirate factions so the reward should be higher.
|
Darius Shakor
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 16:46:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Avon
Maybe you see more pirate faction ships because they are better?
Yes but they are no more rare than the navy issued ships. I got an offer for a Firetail from my agent not so long ago. A three run BPc would have cost me 190 million isk... Now unless I wanted one for myself, that is dead money. Who will by one of these ships for a minimum of 65 million (so I can hold out hope of a return on my investment) when a succubus is better and obtained free from a complex, and on escrow for less than 10 million?
I think that is the point he is making. The cost does not represent their ability, or at least not since faction ships appeared in complexes. And no I do not think that the blueprints should be taken from complexes either. In fact they are just right imo. But in response the faction ships from agents should be lowered in cost because they are, at the moment, worthless to take. You have an asset you cannot sell to anyone but the thin-on-the-ground mega-rich collectors.
------
Shakor Clan Information Portal
Every man has a devil. You can never rest until you find it. |
Jennai
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 16:49:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Jennai on 22/11/2005 16:50:49
Edited by: Jennai on 22/11/2005 16:49:16
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
it's more risky doing missions for the pirate factions so the reward should be higher.
you don't even have to do missions for them, just run low level complexes. 1/10 for frigs and 3/10 for cruisers.
navy ships are much more rare and expensive because they only come from very expensive agent offers.
with prices like 6m succubus and 30m vigilant, people will actually use them. if they cost 100m for a frig and god knows what for a cruiser, they would be useless collector items that never leave the hangar.
|
Foomanshoe
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 16:54:00 -
[10]
Well, tbh i dont care much about the faction frigates.
Since you can only get the pirate battleships in 0.0 i think its okay that they are easier to get (and easier to get by missions soon supposedly).
toning down the isk cost to something reasonable wouldnt hurt imo, maybe make it half of what it is.
_______________________________________________
Originally by: Oveur
To the nerfmobile!
|
|
|
Joshua Foiritain
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 17:14:00 -
[11]
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 22/11/2005 17:14:42
Originally by: Avon
Maybe you see more pirate faction ships because they are better?
Im pretty sure its related to the fact that navy ships require months of mission grinding where pirate ships require a few days of complex whoring.
Navy complexes are on the to-be-added-listÖ though, so yeah, then you too can get a faction ship by stealing it from the faction that made it 
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
it's more risky doing missions for the pirate factions so the reward should be higher.
Indeed it should, unfortunatly it isnt...
------------------
[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |
Astarte Nosferatu
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 17:20:00 -
[12]
SELL YOUR EMPIRE FACTION SHIPS CHEAPER!!!
------------------------------------------
Member of the [23]
Follower of the Blood Revolution.
Sani Sabik.
|
Kurren
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 17:21:00 -
[13]
Originally by: HippoKing
MAKE WHOLE CAPS THREAD NAMES LOCKABLE!
MAKE REDUNDANT, HYPOCRYTICAL POSTS BANABLE!
************************************************
My sig is too big... |
Raem Civrie
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 17:31:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Kurren
Originally by: HippoKing
MAKE WHOLE CAPS THREAD NAMES LOCKABLE!
MAKE REDUNDANT, HYPOCRYTICAL POSTS BANABLE!
The blueprints, save for ONE OFFER OUT OF LIKE TEN, cost around 60-90m to get from agents. I got an offer for a 8-run BPC for the Hookbill some time ago. Total costs per run was 89.5m
If I don't actually want to LOSE on that deal, I'd have to sell for at least 90m, since I still have to build the damn things.
Get a clue, kthnx
---
God-King of Genitalia |
Ashraaf
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 17:35:00 -
[15]
The first time i saw a caldari navy hookbill BPC in my offer i was really please
then i saw the price...90M
It's a good ship, but a the moment i saw that, i must said that 90M to expensive for a frigate
|
Jennai
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 17:56:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Ashraaf
It's a good ship, but a the moment i saw that, i must said that 90M to expensive for a frigate
I got the 10k LP 90m isk comet offer, rejected that, then after a bunch of offers for mining crystals and other trash I got the 15k LP 10m isk bureaucratic connections offer and sold it for 100m.
|
Darth Revanant
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 19:08:00 -
[17]
If your arguement is that you simply want empire faction ships to be easier to obtain, then this thread belongs in the missions forum and I'll respond with a resounding "NO!"
If your arguement is that the ships should be improved, then this thread belongs in the ships and modules forum and if you look real hard there, you'll see this.
_______________
|
SengH
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 19:10:00 -
[18]
I have a feeling empire faction ships are going to become alot more common when you see factional warfare come in in Kali. Because those will probably be some of the rewards that come with the ranks im guessing... it only makes sense...
|
Jennai
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 19:19:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Darth Revanant
If your arguement is that you simply want empire faction ships to be easier to obtain, then this thread belongs in the missions forum and I'll respond with a resounding "NO!"
If your arguement is that the ships should be improved, then this thread belongs in the ships and modules forum and if you look real hard there, you'll see this.
you would have to give them better-than-T2 stats to make them worth the current prices compared to what you get with the pirate ships.
|
Winterblink
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 19:20:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Jennai
you would have to give them better-than-T2 stats to make them worth the current prices compared to what you get with the pirate ships.
They're not meant to be better than Tech2 anyway. If they're priced high and they sell at that price point, then that says more about the buyer than the seller.
|
|
|
Plib
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 19:33:00 -
[21]
Duh!
a)If everyone had them they wouldn't be special would they?
b)Sometimes in life you have to work hard to get something you want.
Sheesh 
|
Jaik Jermaine
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 19:36:00 -
[22]
i 100% agree with this, saw a hookbill for 75m on escrow the other day, how much was a succubus? (which is by far a clearly superior frigate) 6m. WTF is this? why would anyone even contemplate spending 75m on a ship thats just slightly better then a merlin? now i understand the amount of work it takes to get a hookbill and can see why its valued as such, but in no way would someone who didnt do the work would even value this ship for 1/10th of price.
lets face it either faction ships need SERIOUS buffs or the amount of work you need for one needs to decrease immensely. IMO hookbill shouldnt be more then 1k LP and be able to get off of a lv1 agent
|
Kin Hanyerec
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 20:12:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Jaik Jermaine
i 100% agree with this, saw a hookbill for 75m on escrow the other day, how much was a succubus? (which is by far a clearly superior frigate) 6m. WTF is this? why would anyone even contemplate spending 75m on a ship thats just slightly better then a merlin? now i understand the amount of work it takes to get a hookbill and can see why its valued as such, but in no way would someone who didnt do the work would even value this ship for 1/10th of price.
lets face it either faction ships need SERIOUS buffs or the amount of work you need for one needs to decrease immensely. IMO hookbill shouldnt be more then 1k LP and be able to get off of a lv1 agent
if you want lower price and better stats why you dont buy a player built tech 2 frigate ?
you should understand that developers don't want to put an artifial concurrent to t2 builders.
|
spRAYed
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 20:18:00 -
[24]
Edited by: spRAYed on 22/11/2005 20:19:10
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 22/11/2005 17:14:42
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
it's more risky doing missions for the pirate factions so the reward should be higher.
Indeed it should, unfortunatly it isnt...
I dont see y a level 4 mission is harder then a 6/10 - 10/10 complex. I doubt it is, its just complexes look easyer because MORE people do it. And mission runners are mostly selfish money makers who try to do them on their own  .
Sorry if i didn't get it right though 
-----------------------------------------
killboard.co.uk |
Jaik Jermaine
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 20:20:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
if you want lower price and better stats why you dont buy a player built tech 2 frigate ?
you should understand that developers don't want to put an artifial concurrent to t2 builders.
theres already pirate frigs, they are lower price and a better value then any empire elite frigate
|
Hoshi
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 20:22:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
if you want lower price and better stats why you dont buy a player built tech 2 frigate ?
you should understand that developers don't want to put an artifial concurrent to t2 builders.
Sure but as it is right now you pay 5-10 times the price for a ship with much worse stats if you compare empire faction frigates with tech 2 frigates.
Either make them worth the price or what I prefer just make the easy enough to get so the price is in level with their abilities. If that is done they can become some cool thing newer players can use until they have trained for tech 2.
As they are now they are nothing but toys for collectors that will end up collecting dust in your hanger. I really like my hookbill but considering it's value and abilities I don't even dare undock in it.
|
Dionysus Davinci
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 20:32:00 -
[27]
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 22/11/2005 20:32:46
Originally by: Jennai
the comet looks really cool but most players
The comet indeed looks very cool, to bad it's a tristian that will be worst then one next patch. I'd never use mine though in combat.
|
Cerberal
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 21:20:00 -
[28]
I love my daredevil, it attracts attention! had a silly cyclone pilot watching me and a corpmate duking it out near a gate, he figured he could attack me too i guess....
Long story short, i got a lot of gear for a cyclone should i ever need it. And my daredevil even at 1/4 armor had better resists than i originally thought =D
|
SengH
|
Posted - 2005.11.22 21:29:00 -
[29]
Originally by: spRAYed
Edited by: spRAYed on 22/11/2005 20:19:10
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 22/11/2005 17:14:42
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
it's more risky doing missions for the pirate factions so the reward should be higher.
Indeed it should, unfortunatly it isnt...
I dont see y a level 4 mission is harder then a 6/10 - 10/10 complex. I doubt it is, its just complexes look easyer because MORE people do it. And mission runners are mostly selfish money makers who try to do them on their own .
Sorry if i didn't get it right though
lol you should try the l4 angel cartel pirate missions... they make doing 10/10 complexes look like a cake... basically think angels on sterorids and errh fleet tempests... lots of them..... what happens when you get called primary by 5 tempests? NPC or not the result is pretty much the same :P
Although the navy 1400s that drop are pretty nice 
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |