If the change is simply that NPC loot drops change from the item itself, to instead dropping the components needed to create the item when combined with the meta 0 module, then very little changes.

OP is a bit hyperbolic and/or hysterical.


But it's an interesting notion.

Awesome idea. One addendum: We're going to make asteroid and ice fields "free-fire" zones (no CONCORD).

Sound good?

"Gun mining" was already addressed when meta 0 modules were removed from rat loot. This had the secondary effect of also nerfing mission/ratting income even further, as the supply of modules and/or minerals yielded from PvE was decreased. Lately, between nerfed mission rewards, nerfed bounties and what loot does still drop, the only way for missions to be profitable is if you grind them for hours like some kind of bot.

I guess what you're trying to do here is remove all drops and give miners the absolute monopoly on mineral acquisition? Because fleets of botted retrievers don't already make plenty of ISK, right?

I'll ask you one other question: What about pirate faction, deadspace and officer modules? Should those cease to drop as well, simply because you want a totalitarian death-grip on the mineral trade?

I am an industrialist. And the recent ore redistribution in null sec seems to have had no impact on mineral market trends. Though it may just be delayed market reaction(quite delayed) it would seem as though high end minerals are actually taking a dive. The most likely reason i can think of is because of high sec generated supply of high end minerals.

This is pretty funny. You're saying that Miners, let me emphasize here, MINERs shouldn't have monopoly on MINERal acquisition? You also think that running missions should get you isk (in faucet form), minerals, modules, LP and more isk(also in faucet form)? You think that miners who only get ore/minerals from their extremely SP intensive profession that does not overlap any other profession in any way should not have the sole access to minerals?

The reason mission running is not profitable is for many reasons. First, lots and lots of people/bots do it. Because so many people do it LP and the majority of salvage are basically worthless. There is absolutely no competition between mission runners, you each get your own semi-instance that is all to yourself where miners have to compete for limited resources especially in high sec where even the lowest end ore can be wiped out of a system at any given time. Though they could go run "mining missions" they would have to deal with rats occasionally and have to switch ships back and forth and would need extra skill points in combat to even be able to do that. And not only that but high sec miners do not have access to high end minerals at all, while mission runners actually do! And potentially unlimited amounts of them with their unlimited instanced mission sites! And don't get me started on hauling ore!

If you think mission running is not profitable without hours of bot-like grinding, try the mining profession.

As for faction/Deadspace/officer mods, I don't care if they continue to drop like normal. If you want to reprocess those for the minerals then go right ahead.

How does it make sense that to fix a broken item you need to use one that's not only different but of a lower quality?

If making T1 mods isn't profitable enough for you, no one is stopping you from getting a t2 bpc.

Manufacturing is totally undermined by rat loot

This is a questionable statement and hinges on vague terminology.

How does it make sense that to fix a broken item you need to use one that's not only different but of a lower quality? If making T1 mods isn't profitable enough for you, no one is stopping you from getting a t2 bpc.

Mining does not generate the amount of minerals therefore income that it should but this does not mean othr ytrades need nerfing. I regularly sell billions worth of minerals to mske up for miners that cannot meet deamnd. CCP buffed high en nulsec ores to help with this but its still not enough so module melters like me still have a job.

Also by monopolyzing mining as the sole source of minerals you HUGELY encourage even more botting which CCP wants to KILL not reward.

And !another! thing is the reason npcs drop non-epic loot is because they 'use' them. Yes they are better than meta zero but that is because meta zero is the only thing for tech two builders to build from.

Missions have been nerfed and so has salvage on MANY levels over the last two years. The only thing I agree with you on is that the mineral you get should increase.

It's not vauge at all. It's provable to anyone that has an ounce of knowledge about economics.

The effect of increasing raw supply without a corresponding increase in demand is to deflate the value.

If you thought I was questioning whether NPC mods can have an effect on manufacturing: you assumed I made a much stronger claim than I did.

Let me know what anyone/everyone thinks!

Hello WOW players. Just wanted to let you know about this little ideology we have here in EVE Online.

http://jestertrek.com/eve/blog/2012/balance-yes.png

"Free Loot from NPC's" doesn't seem to show up in that cycle. I'm trying to imagine how to relate killing NPCs to actual sandbox activities. Oh I know! *Stab random natural sand mound, obtain free sandcastle*

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WRONG

As you can plainly see from the above link, mission loot even disincentivises meta 0 manufacturing for T2 invention purposes, since the chances of successful invention increases when using meta 1-4 loot.

How does it make sense? Ever heard of something called a chassis?

You can have boiled chicken or chicken alfredo.

Clearly the idea has no place in Eve Online: A highly realistic game which always makes sense.


Or, you know, just running L4s like everyone else.

Manufacturing (and by extension, mining) is totally undermined by rat loot and your argument is nothing but the usual FYGM shriek.

You're suggesting replacing items with items to make items which just increases the work involved in getting those items to market with no increase in enjoyment of gameplay and a nasty reduction in game immersion/realism.

^ Opinion

Lots of people have fun making stuff.

And you want to mention realism and immersion, on Eve, really?

How realistic is it that when you blow up a ship you get a 100% fully functional item?

Why aren't you upset that you can't get minerals from wrecks?

Some of those pirate ships are pretty big, and all that is left is some melted cap parts, no minerals but a fully functional gun that shoots car sized ammo?