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Bonehead
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Posted - 2003.08.11 06:54:00 -
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Okay, this organization wishes to balance the market by setting a fair and equal price for all its members to sell goods for - never happen due to the fact that if everyone sells for the same price, someone will eventually get tire of their stuff sitting collecting dust while someone else is always selling in the same region and then start undercutting again so he can make some isk.
Also - they are a peaceful group looking at ways to deal with undercutters without resorting to war. LOL - just this evening a group of them attacked and hulled a friend of mine becuase he is a single person operator and refused to increase his prices to make theirs. Of course they have left the bigger corps alone that have refused to join becuase its easier to go after the one and two man teams and cuase nothing but grief. Did I mention that one of them did not even have the balls to officially join Trade Federation, he is running around still in a newbie corp so people will take a faction hit if they attack him and deal with CONCORD, how gutless.
No Offense Momm, but I do not seeing a set pricing guide working, if you wanna know why, look at my first paragraph, I will not let my items sit and collect dust. So declare war on me, track me down, hull me every chance you get, I do not care, I refuse to let almost 1k people tell me how to play this game. Just the way I feel, I would love to have the problem of all my items selling out on the market and not being able to keep up with demand becuase I cannot mine enough ore. Kill me with mass sales, make me a happy man, but do not resort to gutless gate camping and attacking one and 2 man corps.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2003.08.11 08:06:00 -
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Does anyone have any Intel about them, I might pay them a few visits.
Attacking honest manufactures is as opressive as the Amarr opression of my people. As I slay Amarr, I shall slay these opressors!
"I have tried for months and months to make m0o the most hated, the most despised corp in the galaxy and what happens? A stack of muppets named TTI comes along and just basically urinates on my bonfire."
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Velios
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Posted - 2003.08.11 10:47:00 -
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It shames me to think that the Trade Federation - which my corp joined two days ago in a genuine attempt to improve profitability of our ships has resorted to this. I was not aware of any such action againsed non TF members and I for one do not approve of this tactic as a means of remedying the market problem.
I shall be considering the position of my corp in TF after gathering more evidence.
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Kitara
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Posted - 2003.08.11 11:12:00 -
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I would gladly join anyone to strike back at these cowards. if they want to make a differance deal with the bigger corps selling low.
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Kel 'dra
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Posted - 2003.08.11 14:00:00 -
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Techell, does not agree with this behavior and will not be part of such a federation.
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.08.11 15:29:00 -
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YEah Ive heard they are also sending out threats to all the small corps and one man manufacturing operations out there. The gist of the threats... join us and fix your prices or we will pod you and any customers that buy from you...
Sounds like a REALLY peaceful bunch to me.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.11 15:54:00 -
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As a member of this Federation i can easily state that my corp nor any corp in the federation that i am aware of, takes these actions towards solo miners or small corporations. My first responsice is: Are you quite sure you arent confused with the price cartel that is mentioned earlier?
The Trade Federation stands for:
No agression acts towards anyone, it is a mutual agreement that is created and because of its peacefull nature we hope for more manufactors to join the federation. If you desire not to, the plan was to exclude you from the economy we are trying to raise.
In other words: We wont sell items to you and we won't buy items from you either... Or we buy you out, (this plan is hard to archief.).
Trade Federation is not an alliance who took a certain region and claim it as our own, nor do we hang out in 1 solarsystem.
We are a united group with 1 mutual goal, make manufactoring worth the effort. And make a wealthy economy return towards eve.
Anyone who takes Agressive actions in name of the Trade Federation is either horrible retarded and cant read, or are trying to make the Federation look bad since we have alot opposition.
It's not more than reasonable to request you to show screenshots about these actions and statements, since its a serious accusation you make. For all i care you can be an opponent of the FED, and you try to take it down on this lame way... Or you have a war with its member and you hope people will help you because of this.
The statements you made are only about a guy you know, no personal engagements and no names. I cant say if its to be lame and try others to get agressive or the truth. Trust me, if you tell the truth, these people will be dealt with.
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2003.08.11 16:01:00 -
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This whole price fixing thing is basically a big market bully tactic. If they can't make you feel bad for not agreeing with them they try to make you feel it in you hull.  I have talked to them in the past, and although they have not tried attacking me, they weren't very friendly to any discussion.
Anyway, I am more in the belief, now more than ever, that a competitive market is better than a price fixed market. These people think that just because merchandise stays on the shelf for more than a day or two, it's not selling. That's ridiculous if you consider yourself a business. If you are a garage sale open for one day only then maybe.
One key to a successful business is patience. To tell you the truth, most people don't go to the trade channel to find their stuff. They look on the open market and try to find something somewhat close to them. Find a station (or system, better) that has little competition and sell from there. It shows up on the market and you will get more recognition that way. Don't worry about people who sell a couple things for really cheap. Think long term and stay positive.
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Daehkthar Raehm
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Posted - 2003.08.11 16:41:00 -
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Hmm..... i am aware that our corp is a member of this Federation. I will talk to my CEO about this. I do not like what i see so far.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.11 18:44:00 -
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We found the cause for this issue, there is a corporation named Trade Federation, who isnt related to the original federation, who has started wars against corporations..
Trade Federation is not and will never be related to these issues.
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eriq
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Posted - 2003.08.11 18:49:00 -
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price fixing will NEVER beat the free market no matter how hard you try but i applaud your efforts. it adds a new dynamic to the game that i hadn't seen yet.
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Momm
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Posted - 2003.08.11 18:49:00 -
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Hell Dearies,
In our most recent meeting we have agreed that we are not going to militaristically attack undercutting mining ops and hunting parties. We feel that as our size grows, undercutting corps will not be able to keep up in the upcoming demands.
The Trade Federation is not to resolve corporate conflicts, struggles or issues. It's only purpose is to regulate prices within the EVE universe through peaceful methods. It neither condones nor condemns war between it's members.
At this time all prices are Federation Suggested Retail price, meaning that if you are part of the federation you try to sell at those prices or around them
Hopefully this clears up some grief and anger
I will be monitoring this thread
Thank you
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Indaek
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Posted - 2003.08.11 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Indaek on 11/08/2003 19:35:20
I was the one that was hulled. I have been threatened several times to raise my prices or face war by numerous people. It is obvious they are using alts or 2nd accounts to hide themselves. Loot thiefs claiming they are part of the federation and being in a newbie corp. I have had emails from 3 or 4 people claming to be federation members.
I WILL not raise my prices higher than the corps are selling, i don't care if you send me 100 threats! I will use secure containers with a newbie corp miner to prevent the looting and corp war problem.
Once i find out who is sponsoring these pos bullies i am creating a throw away corp to war. Many people have told me they will join this corp just to war for whats right. I will attack every one of the mining ops with surgical strikes, so if you want to play hardball there are more than one way to skin a cat. See how long this crap lasts when ya miners have to have fighter cover just to mine a rock. It will take a while but slowly i will get into someone's pocket.
I didn't start this crap, but i will not stand by and be pushed around!
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Momm
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Posted - 2003.08.11 19:47:00 -
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I would like to add at this time that there is another corp by the name of Trade Federation, who are pks, we do not know nor are associated in any way with them.
Thank you
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Indaek
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Posted - 2003.08.11 19:54:00 -
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You know, it is funny how my emails from these people echoed the chat log 2 days later. You have some bad corps in the federation that is taking it upon themselves to carry out the law. I never have had one pricing problem with anyone until after this trade federation alliance was created.
You created this monster Momm now fix it,please.
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Momm
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Posted - 2003.08.11 19:58:00 -
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Please post the names of these characters that have threatened you.
Our decision during last nights meeting caused us to not act on undercutters, we decided that if enough corporations join, the undercutters will not be able to stay caught up with the demand, please visit eve-tf.com for the latest meeting log
Thank you
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Quasiar
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Posted - 2003.08.11 20:04:00 -
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I pitty undercutters. I normally sell my stuff at increased prices, and sell em at that 
I get an extra 5k-10k just cause people don't want to jump 12 systems to get something 5k-10k less .
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.11 20:16:00 -
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You know, it is funny how my emails from these people echoed the chat log 2 days later. You have some bad corps in the federation that is taking it upon themselves to carry out the law. I never have had one pricing problem with anyone until after this trade federation alliance was created.
You created this monster Momm now fix it,please.
As stated before, there cannot be anything fixed if you shout into a void. If the organisation from Trade federation doesnt know the name of these persons, how can someone solve a situation?
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Indaek
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Posted - 2003.08.11 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Indaek on 11/08/2003 20:35:14
I don't see what good it does to post the names they are ALTS, 2nd accounts ect..
Sinistil, Lemon, Llyr, Sinman and a couple others i can't remember. I am not 100% sure they are spelled correctly.
Why i think it has something to do with your alliance is the very first thing they did was introduced themselves as the Trade federation alliance (in newbie corp). They then told me i was not in compliance with the Trade Federation alliance's pricing structur and if i would please raise them accordingly and gave me the url to your website. I plain out told them no, then it escalated to more heated emails day after day until i finally had enough and told them to f@ck off and put them on block.
They also told me they would steal my ore to cripple me and do everything they could to put me out of bussiness. They said that a dummy corp would be created to war corps that did not comply. The dummy corp would be made up of members from the Trade Federation alliances corps (alts,2nd accounts ect...)
Everything they told me was in a way covered at your last meeting several days later.
Since I have posted on this topic i have recieved so many emails expressing thier displeasure with all this and asking how they can help battle this problem.
I am not the war type ...was just a peaceful miner enjoying selling his goods, but things seem to be changing. I don't undercut, but i do match the lowest persons price if it is above my cost.
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Momm
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Posted - 2003.08.11 20:37:00 -
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Ok, they are using our name to give us a bad reputation, Sinistil is the ceo of the Trade Federation corporation which is known to be a pk corp.
Any and all questions please direct them to me,
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Synapse Archae
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Posted - 2003.08.11 22:07:00 -
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I am a Co-Founder of a corporation also in the trade federation. I once asked if I military force could be created to protect federation ships on their routes against pirates,and even that was sharply declined.
I can promise you that the Trade Federation that we are part of, run by Momm, is absolutely peaceful, they have made that very clear to all member CEOs.
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Bonehead
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Posted - 2003.08.13 01:02:00 -
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How can this Sinistil be a "known pk'er"? Never seen or heard from him until after the Trade Federation was formed and started looking for members. Whats even scarier, the info I recieved in my threat was the same info I saw in the chat logs from the TF Website. (guess someone loves to cut and paste).
Now today - i know at least one of these so called PK'ers are no more, I went to add him to my buddy list so I could see when he was on, unable to find him, its like he disappeared all together, more like deleted this ALT. So you say the Alliance is not part of this PK Trade Federation, that maybe true, but PK Trade Federation is either supported by certain members within the TF, or are even members themselves hiding behind ALTS to carry out "their" will while keeping the entire TF out of it.
And I say again, why are they going after one and 2 man corps? I have not heard anyone in a large corp being threatened or attacked.
I see this has a big alliance trying to bully the small corps and freelancers around. And what will happen to the small one man operation in the middle of a region that sells for the same price as someone in a system thats on the highway? He will not sell anything becuase why get off the highway if the same item cost the same thruout the entire region?
These are my opinions and my concerns - I just have a bad feeling that the PK'ers are actually high ranking members who have decided to take action themselves since the Fed as a whole does not/did not want to start waging war on people who did not join them.
I say again - increase your prices, drive me out of business becuase I cannot keep up with sales. |
Hordaek
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Posted - 2003.08.13 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Hordaek on 13/08/2003 13:39:05
ôOk, they are using our name to give us a bad reputation, Sinistil is the ceo of the Trade Federation corporation which is known to be a pk corp.
I never heard of this corp before this alliance started. Even when they were trying to recruit my corp into the alliance I did a corp search to see if it was a group or corp they were talking about me joining and it was not there. I have yet to talk to anyone that knew this Sinsitil or the corp. So, I donÆt see where you get this ôknown to be a pk corpö from.
I originally was contacted to join the Trade Federation alliance not a corp. Then told to raise my prices in later emails. Everything snowballed from there on. I was originally going to join the TFA but I have seen past games how these degrade into wars verbally and physically and decided against it.
Now to why I think the TFA is behind this or members in the TFA are.
In a discussion about pirateÆs joining TFA this was said:
ô[ 2003.08.10 21:40:14 ] Momm > one conflict is that when we go to remove
undercutting operations, do we fight along side them and are they allowed
to kill us etcö.
Here it is mentioned about fighting (pk) along side pirates to go after undercutters.
ô[ 2003.08.10 21:35:49 ] Momm > I feel now that to move forward we need to
start acting on undercuttersö
ö[ 2003.08.10 21:36:05 ] Momm > acting on them meaning that we begin to
collect intelligenceö
ô[ 2003.08.10 21:41:02 ] Retsej > how do we remove these undercutters tho?ö
ô2003.08.10 21:41:14 ] laughlin > big guns ;)ö
ô[ 2003.08.10 21:41:30 ] Momm > our proposed way is to go after mining ops
and hunting partiesö
How do you go after mining ops and especially hunting parties without involving pk? Stealing ore is hardly a peaceful solution, it rather looks bad on the TFA imo.
ô[ 2003.08.10 21:41:55 ] Ar'leich Grade > Threaten war against them with
every corp interestedö
Another very vocal person in this meeting with thoughts of war.
ô[ 2003.08.10 21:42:36 ] Momm > corps would be designated as fighters, some
corps do not want conflict and want to retain their peaceful imageö
This really tells me that some of the corps would be designed as ôpkö corps to enforce the TFA like the Trade Federation corp is doing now against me and others with numerous newbie alt characters with the threats
ô[ 2003.08.10 21:45:39 ] Ar'leich Grade > When you've got this many corps
invovled we don't have to worry much about fighting, how many corps you
seen in wars that have got more than 8 wars against themö
ô2003.08.10 21:45:51 ] Ar'leich Grade > and we can put 30 wars against
someoneö
ô[ 2003.08.10 21:46:23 ] Ar'leich Grade > If we be nice and polite they may
just have a change of heart and join:)ö
ô[ 2003.08.10 21:47:01 ] Ar'leich Grade > Now you can see why I wanted 100
corpsö
This guy here really doesnÆt need to even be a part of a peaceful organization, honestly. He hints of war so many times in the chat log itÆs unbelievable. So the ultimate goal for TFA is to have a large corp alliance and go to war with people that donÆt comply. Another large big bad alliance caught up in a war.
Momm you can say he donÆt speak for the TFA, but you didnÆt try to reign him in, even your prior logÆs suggest of force and setÆs the tone.
ô[ 2003.08.10 22:08:46 ] Ar'leich Grade > Right direction is getting 100
corps, then wars will never needs be..ö
But until you reach the 100 area wars will be the main objective to force people to join or comply?
Then someone rebelled and the tone changed except for Ar'leich GradeÆs personal attacks. I personally think the leaders of TFA will continue to push toward an aggressive posture, once it thinks it has the numbers and can afford to lose the corps that wants peace.
ô[ 2003.08.10 22:22:19 ] Ar'leich Grade > But I want those corps that are
small to listen to those corps that are large like the young warrior
listens to his Senseiö
ô2003.08.10 21:50:40 ] Momm > slowly, the trade federation, will cover
over the entire universeö
The arrogance all through this log was unacceptable for a ôpeacefulö organization.
In my opinion force was the original idea that was trying to be pushed, but some rebelled so it was tone down at this date due to the fear of possibly loosing members. I truly believe once the numbers and support is there from enough corps this will be the stance of the TFA.
Due to the feedback from members on war, I think this is why this Trade Federation corp was used with altÆs, 2nd characters. You have several altÆs in the TFC that no one ever heard of but yet one flies a BS and the other a cruiser of a different race than he is. This is not something that was planned overnight, it has been thought out for a long time.
Momm,good idea of a peaceful trade organization, but I am afraid with your very own comments you are off to a very bad and troublesome start.
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Hordaek
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Posted - 2003.08.13 13:33:00 -
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I have not try to organize anything to this date or attempt to drum up support, but I have been flooded with emails from many pk corps that have taken a strong interest to these unfortunate threats. What ever they do is in their own interest not mine. Once I find who are the responsible mains that organized these attacks on me and my friends I then will create a group to bring swift and damaging covert operations to justify the wronged
Hordaek
Ceo Brew Crew Inc.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.13 13:44:00 -
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I have not try to organize anything to this date or attempt to drum up support, but I have been flooded with emails from many pk corps that have taken a strong interest to these unfortunate threats. What ever they do is in their own interest not mine. Once I find who are the responsible mains that organized these attacks on me and my friends I then will create a group to bring swift and damaging covert operations to justify the wronged
Hordaek
Ceo Brew Crew Inc.
I am not impressed by your threaths, however i am very impressed by the statements you made. Personally i have no fear of PvP, however there was clearly stated during the conversations when i asked if there was PvP used. Most people there agreed that this was only a last resource, if communication and other ways didnt worked out. To my opinion, we are not even near to those steps because we have to await upcomming patch first and see what happens.
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Hordaek
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Posted - 2003.08.13 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hordaek on 13/08/2003 14:00:43
I was not trying to impress you the least little bit or anyone else. It was not a threat,but a promise i will disrupt the responsible party/parties that started this war crap.
I was just saying don't look this way if someone gets pk'ed because of this because i have nothing to do with it, right now. Trying to advoid a ****ing contest.
The only reason the meeting took a more last resort approach was because the support/numbers for force was not there. Why did it start with a force approach and tone down to a last resort to peacful?
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Momm
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Posted - 2003.08.13 16:21:00 -
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"And I say again, why are they going after one and 2 man corps? I have not heard anyone in a large corp being threatened or attacked."
The Trade Federation did not go after the one or 2 man corps, though the Trade Federation Corp did, they decided to make an alt corp with alt characters and the Trade Federation's name as an excuse to kill people and make us look bad.
"I feel now that to move forward we need to
start acting on undercuttersö
This statement and the statements following in this conversation were intended to collect information on the 'undercutters' so that large corps, who obviously do not wish to negotiate in any way, do not use alts to sell their stuff for outrageously low prices
"How do you go after mining ops and especially hunting parties without involving pk? Stealing ore is hardly a peaceful solution, it rather looks bad on the TFA imo."
Not sure if you have read the first log, but everything is not fully decided yet on the 'how' all hostile actions were discussed and they were the ideas that were coming from everyone, in the first log it clearly, and we have stated that militaristic actions would be the absolute last resort if even a resort at all due to current meetings, after negotiations with the ceo/directors of that corp were made.
Momm you can say he donÆt speak for the TFA, but you didnÆt try to reign him in, even your prior logÆs suggest of force and setÆs the tone.
Yes a tone had to be set for discussion, do you not have to start somewhere? or do organizations instantly appear in one hour where you live?
Please view the logs in order... and read them all. Much progress has been made since the beginning, discussions and ideas from many corps are being made and discussed.
So far every meeting has been developmental so far, the Trade Federation is still in its developement stages, if you dont support us, fine, but if you are interested in any remote way, express your opinion on how you believe the Trade Federation would suceed,
At this time discussion for changing our name is underway, to avoid future conflicts with alt corps etc.
Thank you
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Indaek
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Posted - 2003.08.13 16:36:00 -
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One thing i would suggest is you get a screen shot of ya members character login and see just who is not causing problems with thier alts. This does nothing for a 2nd account, but if anyone wants to pay more money to create problems nothing will stop them.
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Teglayen
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Posted - 2003.08.13 16:52:00 -
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Carebears attacking carebears, this is funny as h@ll
I can tell you now many of us will not let this fly. Sounding more like the stain alliance every time i read this thread.
We discussed this on speak chat last night and felt like this is soon to be threat in secure space. I noticed you have remove the corps names, that don't matter there still are plenty of moles inside.
So yes many of us will begin to do our own intel of these threating corporations and declare some wars ourselves.
Lets see how this alliance can handle us real pirates
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.13 17:46:00 -
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One thing i would suggest is you get a screen shot of ya members character login and see just who is not causing problems with thier alts. This does nothing for a 2nd account, but if anyone wants to pay more money to create problems nothing will stop them.
Are you for real?
We got over 30 corporation/ 100 corporations with all about 10 members average, this is 300-1000 characters who are allied. It is not and will never be possible to show all united their alts, nor do we have to.
Trust Momm on her word, and stop twisting her logs in the way you desire, and you will realize that Trade Federation has no bad intention. Atleast the federation, the corp we are not related too is another story.
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Carebears attacking carebears, this is funny as h@ll
I can tell you now many of us will not let this fly. Sounding more like the stain alliance every time i read this thread.
We discussed this on speak chat last night and felt like this is soon to be threat in secure space. I noticed you have remove the corps names, that don't matter there still are plenty of moles inside.
So yes many of us will begin to do our own intel of these threating corporations and declare some wars ourselves.
Lets see how this alliance can handle us real pirates
real pirate as in: Joined with no mayor pirate corp, but in an NPC corp. And have 0.0 security status?
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Freezer
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Posted - 2003.08.13 17:48:00 -
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"[ 2003.08.10 22:45:23 ] Icebox > The Trade Federation is not to resolve
corporate conflicts, struggles or issues.
It's only purpose is to regulate prices within the EVE universe through
peaceful methods. It neither condones nor condemns war between it's members."
I presume those who where quoting the chat log read this section as well? Or were they just attempting to quote out of context to stir things up?
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Freezer
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Posted - 2003.08.13 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Freezer on 13/08/2003 18:27:29
A few facts to point out
1) The Trade Federation has discussed military action against "undercutters" from the first meeting. How can an option be ruled out unless fully discussed? Also, Lets say ABC Corp is selling cruisers way below suggested price. But ... They have their chief of production use an alt in a newbie corp to sell them and transfer the ISKs back to the real corp. No way to fight this. That is only one of the reasons war was ruled out as an option.
Resolution: Military action will not be used. Ever.
2) An "alt" populated corp to deal with "undercutters" through military action such as Mining op harrassment, destruction of ore containers, wars, etc.
Resolution: See point 1 resolution.
3) Control of member corporations and their alts. We are not a "Controlling" body. The result desired is to bring ship prices back up to a profitable level, not to control prices or members. If they are foolish enough to create a corp called "Trade Federation" then by all means, lets start somehing to eliminate them. Personally, I don't find imitation is this case to be very flattering at all.
Resolution: All we can do is caution our members to NOT do this. We have no way of policing this kind of activity under the current system.
The intent of the Trade Federation is for the member corps (and everyone else) to make a reasonable profit on ship sales. The method of doing this MUST be peaceful and educational.
Agreed we discussed things such as war, but in our last meeting the decision was made that all we would do is educate, maintain higher prices and drive the "undercutters" out by attrition.
In many cases, they may seem to make a profit, but with the cost of the blueprint, factory, etc, they will not be able to maintain a well run corp for any length of time.
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Indaek
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Posted - 2003.08.13 18:58:00 -
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Are you for real?
We got over 30 corporation/ 100 corporations with all about 10 members average, this is 300-1000 characters who are allied. It is not and will never be possible to show all united their alts, nor do we have to.
Trust Momm on her word, and stop twisting her logs in the way you desire, and you will realize that Trade Federation has no bad intention. Atleast the federation, the corp we are not related too is another story.
For real? Last time i checked i was.
Several corps do this to prevent moles, Something that all corps should do for security, imo. 30 - 100 corps, my how has it grown overnight. It's not that hard to take a screen shot of the character page with all 3 characters showing.
Trust momm? I have no clue who momm is. Did she show any interest in resolving this conflict in game? NO. So i brought it to the forums.
Twisting? Hardly, it was copied and addressed as the points of interest why there may be a link between the 2. As many different ways war was brought up it seem to me to be a desire and point of interest on severals mind. I didn't say the trade federation in whole had bad intentions i just think some in there does.
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Momm
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Posted - 2003.08.13 19:09:00 -
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Hello Dearies,
Indaek, "Did she show any interest in resolving this conflict in game? NO. So i brought it to the forums. "
I play quite a bit, and I did not hear of the conflict until you posted on these forums, if you wish to discuss it, please feel free to evemail me, open convo, or drop on by channel Trade Federation or continue posting here.
Thank you
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.14 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 14/08/2003 01:23:39
Straight from the CSM chat so no argument Momm :
Momm > There is no way to identify who is selling an item, therefore no way to enforce prices against undercutters.
"Enforce"? Uhuh. Now we all know exactly where we stand.
In fact - since "trade federation" corps are well known I wonder if smaller corps being threatened by this cartel would find it beneficial to pay m0o/sin a token bounty on each TF member they pod? I'm sure m0o/sin (and more) would have loads of fun curtailing any activities of the TF out of Empire space. Given the number of corps involved it shouldn't be too hard to get details of mining ops/etc
Oh and I don't manufacture but I'd gladly contribute to such a fund because just like in real life cartels are lazy unimaginative people/companies who think they are owed something because they exist.
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Momm
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Posted - 2003.08.14 04:18:00 -
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Hello Dearies,
Agriza, you want mega corps selling on alts for under your prices(small corp) I mean come on, its usually the large corps that can produce the most thus sell for cheaper
And enforce, meaning that we use tactics through the markets i.e buy them out, then sell for higher, I think if a big enough Trade Federation is made, a slush fund to buy from the lower sellers would benefit them, and then we, sell them for higher prices, so both parties are happy true?
Possibility..
and Enforce does not mean militaristic action..
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.14 11:48:00 -
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Momm I couldn't care less what anyone wants to sell items for. There are always ways of making plenty of money on any item if you're willing to put the effort in.
Oh and I don't believe you don't intend to use force to stop the "undercutters" (as you call them). Nor does anyone else with half a brain. You go ahead and buy up all the "undercutters" stock - they'll just produce more which you'll have to buy and try to sell. Your only recourse ultimately will be war. You know it, I know it and so does anyone else who spends longer than 30 seconds thinking about it.
So stop pretending eh?
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Ar'leich Grade
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Posted - 2003.08.14 13:21:00 -
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I started this because I thought the majority of corps would wish to improve their profits on cruisers etc... What I don't understand is why so many people are willing to fight against something they are already in charge of. Everyone seems to be mistaken that we have leaders who decide where to go next by giving our opinions in the meetings. These are only opinions and it is the CEO's of all the corps in eve that are in charge of it, it is not my fault that all of you fail to see this and seem to think that the only way you can go about changing things is by going against Federation instead of becoming a part of it. If this isn't what you want then it won't exist, you are the people who are choosing whether you want it or not. At first the meetings were intended to have every corp in eve involved discussing what to do (or not do), because of everyones pathetic lack of interest it is no wonder its degenrerated so much when only a few of us contributing.
On a more personal note, I hate weak people that run away from things when life gets too hard, it seems that a lot of those kinda people must be playing eve, anyone with the strength to deal with lifes challenges with determination and intelligence would of just joined the Federation and then completly changed the direction its going in from the inside. Its a poor day indeed where I've had to type something on this moaning board in order to tell you how to run or finish off your own Federation. 
When on the battlefield, if you try not to let others take the lead and have the sole intention of breaking into the enemy lines, then you will not fall behind others, your mind will become fierce, and you will mainfest martial valor. Furthermore, if you are slain in battle, you should be resolved to have your corpse facing the enemy. |
agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.14 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 14/08/2003 13:30:13
Dear God if this is the kind of rambling nonsense that is prevalent in the TF I take back everything I suggested about m0o/etc.
Just ignore them.
A clue to the previous poster? People don't play the game to be dictated to by a lazy bunch of CEO's that are incapable of making money. "Anyone with the strength to deal with lifes challenges with determination and intelligence" - these people are making money, unlike you.
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Ar'leich Grade
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Posted - 2003.08.14 14:18:00 -
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Az..errrr don't you think getting all corps up to buy up low priced stuff then sell all at a higher price was a primary idea?
When on the battlefield, if you try not to let others take the lead and have the sole intention of breaking into the enemy lines, then you will not fall behind others, your mind will become fierce, and you will mainfest martial valor. Furthermore, if you are slain in battle, you should be resolved to have your corpse facing the enemy. |
DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.14 14:35:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: agrizla on 14/08/2003 13:30:13
Dear God if this is the kind of rambling nonsense that is prevalent in the TF I take back everything I suggested about m0o/etc.
Just ignore them.
A clue to the previous poster? People don't play the game to be dictated to by a lazy bunch of CEO's that are incapable of making money. "Anyone with the strength to deal with lifes challenges with determination and intelligence" - these people are making money, unlike you.
Those "CEO's" you talk about are the one who make the items, who gather the minerals and who take their time to wait hours on trade channel to sell their items.
They are very well capable of making money, however the reward of making that kind of money is minimum compared to the efford of it.
I'd like you to see mine, manufactor and sell all these items for a low (insane) price. Maybe then you will understand.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.08.14 14:35:00 -
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Hmm ... at the Trade Federation and its attempts to tell me exactly how much I can sell my wares for !!
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Fishbone
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Posted - 2003.08.14 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Fishbone on 14/08/2003 14:48:20
oh please, come buy all my low priced ammo so I am forced to cut back on the amount I am producing since I will have to mine the minerals.
Not to mention I will not be able to have every item I can make on the market, would be wonderful to only have 20 items on market instead of 100.
On a side note Al'rech - I strongly believe you had a hand in the intial attacks on the one man ops. When things went sour from the response, you decided it was time to speak out against these so called PK'ers. Which no one heard of them until after they started using tactics that your alliance was mulling over.
Would also like to report that of the three intial attackers -
#1 Sinistil is reportedly in hiding in a NPC Corp after disbanding the Trade Federation Corp.
#2 Lemon has apparently deleted himself since he is no longer trackable has of last night.
#3 Llyr - was reported he was banned for making terroristic threats to another player - either way, that character was also untracable ingame.
*** Also MOO - my wife wants to know where she can get the dancing cow.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.14 15:35:00 -
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Ar'leich - don't you think you're missing the point rather? There's far more producers than you can ever hope to "control" and there is a reason why the prices of many items are low - people don't want them!
I'll bet you that a good number of your TF "alliance" are actually using alts to shift the rubbish they've had to buy up - at far below your "recommended" prices.
You have no hope at all of making this work unless you use force - so stop pretending you're the "good guys" eh?
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.14 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 14/08/2003 15:48:45
Dreamworks - you are clueless. Let me give you a good example of how to make money :
I took an old cruiser of mine (which I'd never use again), equipped it with all the items someone moving from a frigate to a cruiser would need, and then sold the "package" at well above the market value of all the individual components. The customer was happy and indeed comes back to me for both advice and some items that aren't on the market. He survived his first encounter with the "bad guys" because his cruiser was properly equipped by somebody who had flown it for a while and knew how to balance the best fitting for someone with a lesser skill-set.
Most corps are run by idiots who think "oh we've put it on the market and we deserve all this profit". Bollox! The product is the very first stage of marketing your corp. You are not selling discrete items - you are selling your corp and the service it can provide.
Now if you still don't get it then I give up
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Ar'leich Grade
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Posted - 2003.08.14 15:52:00 -
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I have the foresight to know what effect such attacks as these would create so, no, I haven't got anything to do with it. This is all going nowhere, tell you what...
We'll set up a public vote, say what the Federation was basically intended for then let every CEO in eve vote on whether to disband it or continue.
When on the battlefield, if you try not to let others take the lead and have the sole intention of breaking into the enemy lines, then you will not fall behind others, your mind will become fierce, and you will mainfest martial valor. Furthermore, if you are slain in battle, you should be resolved to have your corpse facing the enemy. |
Ar'leich Grade
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Posted - 2003.08.14 15:53:00 -
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in response to Grades comments I'd like to say what about the losing percentage in the vote and as if you'll ever get everyone to do it!! There I've moaned about my own comment and saved you the effort now just get on with it.
When on the battlefield, if you try not to let others take the lead and have the sole intention of breaking into the enemy lines, then you will not fall behind others, your mind will become fierce, and you will mainfest martial valor. Furthermore, if you are slain in battle, you should be resolved to have your corpse facing the enemy. |
agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.14 15:58:00 -
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Ar'leich - my apologies then. I (mistakenly) thought you were part of this "trade federation" - from what you've said it would appear you no longer are.
Corps need to build "brand loyalty" (which I admit can be hard) - that is the way to success, not some half-assed cartel 
An example :
Look - every corp has people in it that are the "combat" specialists yes? Now not many people in Eve actually have much experience of combat. So get one of your combat guys to talk to the customer about fitting the ship out. You'll sell more and at a premium. If the advice is good then the customer will return. If not....
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Ar'leich Grade
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Posted - 2003.08.14 18:45:00 -
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I am in Federation, in fact I founded it. The problem is I wished all of the large experienced corps to take control of the situation as long as they kept in mind the smaller corps but that hasn't happened. The larger corps have already been dealing with this situation on their own as they have the resources to do so and have many ideas and solutions that have been tried and tested as well as ideas that haven't worked and resulted in them having to go to war.
I've been told admin said "We only build the clay, it is up to the players to make the story".
It is agreed by a lot of people that we'd rather deal with a situation ourselves and prepare ourselves for future situations rather than wait for the Admin to patch every problem that we ourselves could fix. I'm sure you've already heard that they may be bringing out a patch to limit the number of cruisers you can build on one copy, how depressing is that!
Surely all corps with cruiser BP copies would much rather solve the problem without being restricted like this, the least we can do is stop the same thing happening with Battleships.
When on the battlefield, if you try not to let others take the lead and have the sole intention of breaking into the enemy lines, then you will not fall behind others, your mind will become fierce, and you will mainfest martial valor. Furthermore, if you are slain in battle, you should be resolved to have your corpse facing the enemy. |
agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.14 19:26:00 -
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You mistake me for someone who cares what anything costs mate. I'm not being funny either. I've seen prices at their highest and their lowest and to be quite frank it makes no difference to the average player as income tends to follow prices (it lags a little as in all real economies).
You appear to be thinking we're in a deflationary period but I think the converse is actually true. The base material of the whole game (minerals) can easily be sold at above npc prices because of the amount of battleships being built. Prices of rarer items are increasing day by day. I've seen the same in other games and this one has the same flaw - no regulation of money supply.
If you're building cruisers then you're in a saturated market - you now rely on ship losses or new gamers (of which there aren't a lot) to generate business. In my humble opinion anyone trying to fix a price on cruisers is flogging a dead horse - it simply can't be done. Try if you want but it'll fail - simply because of human nature.
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Momm
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Posted - 2003.08.15 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Momm on 15/08/2003 02:39:50
Hello Dearies,
I would like to ask everyone posting here to not make personal attacks towards others, as it will not help any situation... just adds 'flame'
Please be respectful towards everyone or I will request this thread to be locked.
I would also like to ask for a small discussion towards a possible solution to assist making the Trade Federation sucessful, If the Trade Federation becomes a little bit larger, we could potentially begin contracting the 'undercutters' to buy from, we buy out their supply(which would make them satisfied), then the Trade Federation puts them on the open market at a slight increase in price. I believe that if we cannot control the entire eve universe, we can operate out of multiple regions, possibly further out ones to give a reason to increase the price(only ideas)
A slight issue that I see in this is, we could rack up a monsterous supply of cruisers, if demand does not increase(events could possibly assist in this area) and the vast number of corps that can build their own ships due to the bpcopies circulating about
Just possible solutions, willing to hear what others think
"Nothing is impossible, the impossible just takes a little longer"
Thank you
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Ecchus
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Posted - 2003.08.15 08:14:00 -
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[quote"Nothing is impossible, the impossible just takes a little longer"
I'd like more info, have you a website?
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Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee..
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2003.08.15 11:22:00 -
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Irrelevant of whether or not some people want to realise it, the eve economy does have issues, and the game developers in the same stated CSM thread agreed.
Whilst some people may not like the ideas of this organisation, I don't see an issue at all.
It is seen daily that prices of items seems to be dropping vastly below their mineral worth.
Seems some people forget that to make items you have:
A) Buy the blueprint (money you need to make back)
B) Mine the minerals, or buy them
C) Spend time making these items, along with the associated factory rental costs
D) Haul and sell the items in areas they might sell
E) The most forgotten part. All goods you sell have a sales-tax taken from them, so the Journal Transaction Total is different from the Transaction Amount displayed. You have to make enough to cover this also.
Why on earth should anyone in their right mind do all this to make LESS then the minerals will sell for even if not at NPC max rates?
That is why the federation is very likely to have come about, and I don't disagree with them at all.
I find it amuzing that pirates will make comments like that, when they are stealing and selling. Hell, you are making a profit on almost all things you sell that way, no matter what the value ;D
Manufacturers turn minerals into goods to make more money from those minerals, not less. Anyone making less really should just consider selling the minerals, as you aren't doing yourself any favours either. Just simple maths.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.15 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 15/08/2003 11:34:08
Quite right Ruffles - anyone selling at below mineral cost is an idiot. However anyone who expects to make >100% profit on an item is likewise an idiot (see another thread where a TF member is complaining about this).
I don't see what the problem is with people selling at below mineral cost - buy the items, recycle and use/sell the minerals. You make money and they lose it.
In the case of people who do make a profit then it's really up to them as to how they value their time. If they value their time less than you value yours then they sell for less. That's life 
Oh and I'd thank you not to call me a pirate
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Darksheer
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Posted - 2003.08.16 00:41:00 -
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a point I would like to add as i was involved in this mess as well
i was gone for 3 days on a family emergency so ill toss my 2 cents in now
I would really like a official in the trade federation to explain to me the following
"if these supposed well known PK's were doing this to make the TF look bad why were they
telling us time and time again that all we had to do to avoid getting attacked was to raise our prices to conform with the TF or to join the TF itself and we would be left alone"
2nd "if this supposed group of pk's were trying to make the Tf look bad by commiting bad acts why did they suddenly vanish from sight once the TF started to take heat on the boards as that would be grand time to step up the problem causing"
3rd and last
"why did these supposedly well known PK's go to war with a 2 man corp when most PK'S i know about are out in 0.0 space killing miners something these people were not doing "
any information on these questions would be greatly appreciated
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.16 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 16/08/2003 01:38:20
Edited by: agrizla on 16/08/2003 01:37:53
Ah well you see the problem was all because the "Trade Federation" didn't actually register a corp called the "Trade Federation" - a concept which the devs expressed some disbelief/surprise at during the CSM. Oddly enough this does allow them to distance themselves from anything that the "well-known PK'ers" (who nobody except the TF have heard of) do. I know what I think and it reminds me of the smell you get when you walk across a field of cows in the middle of summer - you will all of course have to make your own minds up on this
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Darksheer
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Posted - 2003.08.17 03:59:00 -
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Bump
Still waiting for someone from the 1000 member strong TF to see this and pass it up the line to the people in charge
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.17 18:25:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: agrizla on 16/08/2003 01:38:20
Edited by: agrizla on 16/08/2003 01:37:53
Ah well you see the problem was all because the "Trade Federation" didn't actually register a corp called the "Trade Federation" - a concept which the devs expressed some disbelief/surprise at during the CSM. Oddly enough this does allow them to distance themselves from anything that the "well-known PK'ers" (who nobody except the TF have heard of) do. I know what I think and it reminds me of the smell you get when you walk across a field of cows in the middle of summer - you will all of course have to make your own minds up on this
Trade Federation doesnt distance themselves from PKers, it doesnt mather if we have Pk's in our federation or not. However there will never and shall never be pked nor stolen in the name of the federation.
We use market tactics to enforce our vision, not agression nor thievery.
Today i have found out that a character named DREAMW0RKS (with ZERO instead of the O) has registered itself and is stealing ore in my name and in the name of my corporation.
We do not have thieves in our corporation, nor do we steal to enforce what we think is right. Also this brings another subject: harassment.
And i have filed this person for harassment, and so did many others involved with these actions. You can hate me ingame, but one day you will realize yourself you hate someone you only know from a game. And lowering yourself isnt funny like i thought it was at first, its pathetic and i feel sorry with the poor soul who tries to "cripple" the Trade Federation in these pathetic attempts.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.17 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 17/08/2003 19:57:18
Umm another petition Dreamworks? You almost rate your own GM the rate you send these in
Second time someone has impersonated the Trade Federation eh? Then again you never know this one could have been as a response to your post about chainkilling and also you saying "if I can't fight you I'll report you" (AKA if I don't get my way I'll petition) Or maybe not..
Harrassment eh? Well I suppose you might find a GM who'd go for that - although I can't see why myself. That is of course if you have actually petitioned and if the person claimed to be the CEO of Dreamcatchers - ie actually claimed to be your character. If however they were doing it as part of a plot to undermine the TF I doubt if it could be classed as harrassment.
It makes some sense as I've been chatting to someone who has suffered a loss from this "dreamworks" figure and they said he was in a school corp.
All conjecture really - you say this just like Momm said the "Trade Federation" were well-known PK'ers (that nobody AFAIK had heard of). It could be someone outside the TF causing problems or it could be someone inside the TF trying to force it in a certain direction. The joys of politics eh?
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 17/08/2003 20:47:50
Quote:
We use market tactics to enforce our vision, not agression nor thievery.
Oh and I'm sorry but I can't resist this one. These "market tactics" will be why you've given up manufacturing Tachyon Beams (which others can sell for a profit) and are now petitioning to have people killing multiple npc pirates declared an exploit.
Edit to correct typo.
I really dunno what to say
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:59:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: agrizla on 17/08/2003 20:47:50
Quote:
We use market tactics to enforce our vision, not agression nor thievery.
Oh and I'm sorry but I can't resist this one. These "market tactics" will be why you've given up manufacturing Tachyon Beams (which others can sell for a profit) and are now petitioning to have people killing multiple npc pirates declared an exploit.
Edit to correct typo.
I really dunno what to say
That your an idiot?
Please tell me mister idiot what farming is related to Trade Federation?
Thank you for stfu.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.17 21:24:00 -
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I could in fact petition you for telling me to stfu for the second time but being as I'm not the ultimate carebear (you now hold that title) I'll take what's thrown out here and deal with it myself rather than running away.
You moan about manufacturing, then you moan about Tachyons then you moan about people killing multiple npcs. You moan. That is in fact all you do. I see that as salient to the TF in that this seems to be what they do as well. Moan about how they can't sell at >100% profit. Well hey - you're not making enough money on something? Stop making it.
I really do give up with you. I debunk every half-assed idea you come up with (still haven't replied to the IP addy location I see eh?) and still you come back with more nonsense.
I suggest we stop now as (on my part) this is becoming personal and one of us is going to get banned - probably me since you're the fanboy who gets away with saying stfu and other personal attacks eh?
I honestly pity you Dreamworks - you are far too into this game to have any sort of objective viewpoint and hence (it would appear) petition everything that you perceive as not to your advantage.
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Darksheer
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Posted - 2003.08.18 00:24:00 -
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and now for something completly different
its been 3 days and im still waiting for a answer to my previous post
I find it strange that a 1000 member federation is missing this post or perhaps just refusing to answer some hard questions
would you prefer me to create a alt and go kill your miners or perhaps steal 100k veldspar like was done to me to get your attention ?
my patience is getting thin
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Indaek
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Posted - 2003.08.18 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: Indaek on 18/08/2003 05:30:53
So much for peaceful, eh?
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2003.08.18 05:14:00 -
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Edited by: Nybbas on 18/08/2003 05:28:07
http://freestate-graphics.neostrada.pl/tf.jpg
whats that? After reading this, then seeing that I am confused, and it must be authentic, notice the spelling? dream doesnt seem to have the best speeling : )
please read next post carefully! i could put it into one, but why when you can have 2?
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2003.08.18 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Nybbas on 18/08/2003 05:30:44
Edited by: Nybbas on 18/08/2003 05:28:40
ROFL now this is interesting... if you look at that, that isnt even his pic : P... now im REALLY confused : /
I believe trade federation is innocent... but why should that stop everyone from killing them? where is the violence? THE BLOODSHED???
And honestly people, if you REALLY need a reason for killing them, star wars episode 1 sucked and so did the trade federation in the movie, this must also means that the EVE trade federation are actually evil green aliens and they want to send robot armies at us!!! WE MUST FIGHT THEM !!!!! BLOOOOOOOD
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Indesin
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Posted - 2003.08.18 05:33:00 -
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I concur.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2003.08.18 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nybbas on 18/08/2003 05:43:00
I CONCUR TOO!!! HAHAHAA... also, I dont like dreamworks... and trade federation did something so bad that everyone should beat them up for it! steal their lunch money! WITH A SUBMACHINE 250 RAILGUN!!! GAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA BLOODSPRAY...
But really trade federation i think you are in trouble, you couldnt even fight off a kid in a 1 manned fighter, or kill a bunch of overgrown lizards lead by a freaking retard, AND YOU HAD AN ARMY OF FREAKING ROBOTS!!! just buy me a battleship and i might protect you... i misplaced my other one...
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.18 09:29:00 -
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Quote:
and now for something completly different
its been 3 days and im still waiting for a answer to my previous post
I find it strange that a 1000 member federation is missing this post or perhaps just refusing to answer some hard questions
would you prefer me to create a alt and go kill your miners or perhaps steal 100k veldspar like was done to me to get your attention ?
my patience is getting thin
Ill give you some free advice:
Log in, press the button Channels and press the button add... Hope i didnt lost you there.
Then, type:
TRADE FEDERATION
and ask your question there. :)
Im not responsible for the Trade Federation, and i dont make decisions in it so cant help you there.
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Quote:
Edited by: Nybbas on 18/08/2003 05:43:00
I CONCUR TOO!!! HAHAHAA... also, I dont like dreamworks... and trade federation did something so bad that everyone should beat them up for it! steal their lunch money! WITH A SUBMACHINE 250 RAILGUN!!! GAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA BLOODSPRAY...
But really trade federation i think you are in trouble, you couldnt even fight off a kid in a 1 manned fighter, or kill a bunch of overgrown lizards lead by a freaking retard, AND YOU HAD AN ARMY OF FREAKING ROBOTS!!! just buy me a battleship and i might protect you... i misplaced my other one...
You dont get it do you?
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Zaine Trance
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Posted - 2003.08.18 10:54:00 -
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not being funny or anything here but with the amount of complaints and this we are getting here it might be worth seeing if we can hire some space in the news or on the bill boards condoning this action and explaining that this is the trade fed corp discrediting us and not the fed. that way people can at least feel they can retaliate against these bastards without having the entire federation against them.
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Posted - 2003.08.18 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ar'leich Grade on 18/08/2003 11:45:21
(I would really like a official in the trade federation to explain to me the following
1. Question. "if these supposed well known PK's were doing this to make the TF look bad why were they
telling us time and time again that all we had to do to avoid getting attacked was to raise our prices to conform with the TF or to join the TF itself and we would be left alone" )
Hi, I haven't replied to this yet because I honestly thought you'd realise later on the answers yourself, but here we go, I'll give two answers for each seeming as we could stay on this subject all day otherwise.
1. TF Answer. Because they're clever, by saying stuff like that they make the TF look responsible, regardless of their motives.
1. NotTF Answer. They're obviously working for the TF, probably a splinter group that acted on their own, they thought it was a good idea at the time.
2. Question "if this supposed group of pk's were trying to make the Tf look bad by commiting bad acts why did they suddenly vanish from sight once the TF started to take heat on the boards as that would be grand time to step up the problem causing"
2 TF Answer. Because they've acheived what they wanted, or because they are watching and waiting. If there objective was to make the TF look bad then they've succeeded, due to the reaction on this forum.
2. NotTF Answer. The splinter group realised it was a bad idea, or they're waiting for new targets from the evil Momm and Ar'liech working so evily with the GM's to try and fix the games perfect amazing affluent economy that is being fearlessly protected by the wonderful aggressors working to free the players from the evil tyranny of sorting out our own problems instead of waiting for them to fix it in a patch.
3rd and last Question
"why did these supposedly well known PK's go to war with a 2 man corp when most PK'S i know about are out in 0.0 space killing miners something these people were not doing "
3. TF Answer. Easy target, good idea to cause a bad effect the Federation.
3. NotTF Answer. They were the easiest target for the TF, it would of been easier to make these small corps change their minds than larger ones, because obviously by attacking them they would jump up and say "ok :))) I'll join you, cool:))" and not post what happened on the forums to create the effect this has and make Ar'leich Grade go on one and probably get told off by Momm again.
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Posted - 2003.08.18 11:54:00 -
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ar'leich in the end it boils down to the fact that it's easier to be a pirate.
I mean how do you discredit a Player killing Monster?
Says he's really a nice guy and is alway kind to his mother? I think not.
While on the other hand if you're out to prove you can do something legitimately it's a hell of a lot harder to get people and things organised and you can be screwed over by anyone whoes nasty enough to start an alt character to discredit you.
My answer if we are still getting these problems in a few weeks I'm going to try open a bounty hunters allience and see how that catches on.
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Posted - 2003.08.18 14:58:00 -
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not being funny or anything here but with the amount of complaints and this we are getting here it might be worth seeing if we can hire some space in the news or on the bill boards condoning this action and explaining that this is the trade fed corp discrediting us and not the fed. that way people can at least feel they can retaliate against these bastards without having the entire federation against them.
There is no Trade Federation Corp, your problems started with them, but certain people with in the alliance has continued to irritate the general public and turn many against you that never even heard of the the Trade Federation corp.
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:12:00 -
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and now for something completly different
its been 3 days and im still waiting for a answer to my previous post
I find it strange that a 1000 member federation is missing this post or perhaps just refusing to answer some hard questions
would you prefer me to create a alt and go kill your miners or perhaps steal 100k veldspar like was done to me to get your attention ?
my patience is getting thin
Ill give you some free advice:
Log in, press the button Channels and press the button add... Hope i didnt lost you there.
Then, type:
TRADE FEDERATION
and ask your question there. :)
Im not responsible for the Trade Federation, and i dont make decisions in it so cant help you there.
hate to tell you this but life doesnt work this way
if you are part of this federation you will be held accountable for its actions you cant have it both ways either you are part of it or you are not and secondly simply telling me the name of the channel would have been enough i didnt need the childlike demeaning jerk off attitude you showed in giving me that information so in future if you have difficulty treating people like people i suggest you take you startassed comments and go elsewhere
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 18/08/2003 15:39:11
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and now for something completly different
its been 3 days and im still waiting for a answer to my previous post
I find it strange that a 1000 member federation is missing this post or perhaps just refusing to answer some hard questions
would you prefer me to create a alt and go kill your miners or perhaps steal 100k veldspar like was done to me to get your attention ?
my patience is getting thin
Ill give you some free advice:
Log in, press the button Channels and press the button add... Hope i didnt lost you there.
Then, type:
TRADE FEDERATION
and ask your question there. :)
Im not responsible for the Trade Federation, and i dont make decisions in it so cant help you there.
hate to tell you this but life doesnt work this way
if you are part of this federation you will be held accountable for its actions you cant have it both ways either you are part of it or you are not and secondly simply telling me the name of the channel would have been enough i didnt need the childlike demeaning jerk off attitude you showed in giving me that information so in future if you have difficulty treating people like people i suggest you take you startassed comments and go elsewhere
Life DOES work that way:
I cant make decisions in the trade federation, nor i am a leader. Therefor i cannot asnwer you this.
You acted like a new player, i treat you like one. Were easy to get in touch with, dont need to whine like the little child you act like for an answer you dont get soon enough. We all play on a daily base and we can all be reached.
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:49:00 -
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I would also like to ask for a small discussion towards a possible solution to assist making the Trade Federation sucessful
Whilst I appreciate your level headed approach, I must say that as long as DREAMWORKS is can stealing and threatening players in Arbaz (to use an example I witnessed personally), the Trade Federation will not garner the respect or co-operation you seek.
Your representatives, both on these forums and in game, are doing your cause no good.
I will never take part in price fixing - however, there is a difference between acknowledging the Trade Federations efforts, and being openly hostile towards them.
The actions of people like DREAMWORKS are pushing myself, and others, towards the latter.
Tread carefully. If you cannot control your own more 'extreme' members, how can you possibly hope to control the market?
Cheers,
TOM
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Posted - 2003.08.18 23:03:00 -
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I would also like to ask for a small discussion towards a possible solution to assist making the Trade Federation sucessful
Whilst I appreciate your level headed approach, I must say that as long as DREAMWORKS is can stealing and threatening players in Arbaz (to use an example I witnessed personally), the Trade Federation will not garner the respect or co-operation you seek.
Your representatives, both on these forums and in game, are doing your cause no good.
I will never take part in price fixing - however, there is a difference between acknowledging the Trade Federations efforts, and being openly hostile towards them.
The actions of people like DREAMWORKS are pushing myself, and others, towards the latter.
Tread carefully. If you cannot control your own more 'extreme' members, how can you possibly hope to control the market?
Cheers,
TOM
In my email i have send you i have explained the following:
I am not the guy who you are talking about.
I will never steal ore or anything.
I even hate ore thieves so much that i lost an thorax over it because i got to trigger happy in 1.0 space.
The other guys name was dreamw0rks (zero)
I dont even fly an indy, heck i dont even own one.
I havent left 0.0 space for 7 days, untill yesterday.
I never heard of that location you mention till today.
Thing is: Someone registered dreamw0rks and impersonated to be me, to act in the name of my corporation and in the name of the trade federation...
Only thing i can blame you guys is not checking his profile, since he is clearly no dreamcatchers inc member. However you lost the cans so cant blame you guys at all...
This is my request to all victims of this guy:
Make a petition of harassment whatever and send me the result.
You can hate me for my straight and no nonsence statements, my Zero tollerance attitude... But stealing isnt my style, i prefer to see myself above worms and maggots.
Dont believe what i said? Check this post i made a long time ago:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=23855
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Posted - 2003.08.18 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 19/08/2003 00:50:36
I know I'm going to kick myself for asking this but :
Why are you telling people who presumably got ore stolen/taken because they used insecure cans to file a petition for harassment when the devs have repeatedly said that if you jettison cargo and someone takes it then that is your problem?
It's obvious now from what people have said that this "other" dreamworks didn't in fact claim to be you. So you think having the GMs wade through bogus "harassment" petitions instigated by you is a good idea do you?
I'm genuinely curious.
Edit - (and thanks for someone - no doubt one of your new friends - for pointing this out) You are aware that by asking them to forward petition results to you that you are in effect asking them to violate section 8A of the EULA. Yay! You're maybe not the ultimate carebear after all
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Posted - 2003.08.19 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Darksheer on 19/08/2003 01:09:53
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 18/08/2003 15:39:11
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and now for something completly different
its been 3 days and im still waiting for a answer to my previous post
I find it strange that a 1000 member federation is missing this post or perhaps just refusing to answer some hard questions
would you prefer me to create a alt and go kill your miners or perhaps steal 100k veldspar like was done to me to get your attention ?
my patience is getting thin
Ill give you some free advice:
Log in, press the button Channels and press the button add... Hope i didnt lost you there.
Then, type:
TRADE FEDERATION
and ask your question there. :)
Im not responsible for the Trade Federation, and i dont make decisions in it so cant help you there.
hate to tell you this but life doesnt work this way
if you are part of this federation you will be held accountable for its actions you cant have it both ways either you are part of it or you are not and secondly simply telling me the name of the channel would have been enough i didnt need the childlike demeaning jerk off attitude you showed in giving me that information so in future if you have difficulty treating people like people i suggest you take you startassed comments and go elsewhere
Life DOES work that way:
I cant make decisions in the trade federation, nor i am a leader. Therefor i cannot asnwer you this.
You acted like a new player, i treat you like one. Were easy to get in touch with, dont need to whine like the little child you act like for an answer you dont get soon enough. We all play on a daily base and we can all be reached.
since we are tossing the insults around
MY GOD Did you sneak into the gene pool when the li***uard wasnt looking ?
no place in my post did i come across as a newbie but i digress as according to your own words you like to insult newbies "good move ace lets make confused players feel welcome"
And for being held accountable for your federations members actions
guess what chimp
you are and will be held accountable
but as you say your not a leader nor do you set policy ?
then why the hell are you even talking to me because as it stands right now YOU ARE SPEAKING FOR THEM !
go be useful and get someone with the ability to speak for the federation since your just a peon get out of my face and bring me someone in a leadership role
PS
" Were easy to get in touch with, dont need to whine like the little child you act like for an answer you dont get soon enough. We all play on a daily base and we can all be reached." ok you play on a daily basis but after 5 days no one but some peon chimp "thats you dreamworks" is the onyl one to respond to my question. and you wonder why i was getting a little hostile ?and if you dont think 3 days is reasonable for a answer then pray tell what is a reasdonable amount of time to wait for someone to reply to my question
and not a ignorant peon chimp like you who is in his own words over stepping his bounds
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Posted - 2003.08.19 01:20:00 -
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I would also like to ask for a small discussion towards a possible solution to assist making the Trade Federation sucessful
Whilst I appreciate your level headed approach, I must say that as long as DREAMWORKS is can stealing and threatening players in Arbaz (to use an example I witnessed personally), the Trade Federation will not garner the respect or co-operation you seek.
Your representatives, both on these forums and in game, are doing your cause no good.
I will never take part in price fixing - however, there is a difference between acknowledging the Trade Federations efforts, and being openly hostile towards them.
The actions of people like DREAMWORKS are pushing myself, and others, towards the latter.
Tread carefully. If you cannot control your own more 'extreme' members, how can you possibly hope to control the market?
Cheers,
TOM
In my email i have send you i have explained the following:
I am not the guy who you are talking about.
I will never steal ore or anything.
I even hate ore thieves so much that i lost an thorax over it because i got to trigger happy in 1.0 space.
The other guys name was dreamw0rks (zero)
I dont even fly an indy, heck i dont even own one.
I havent left 0.0 space for 7 days, untill yesterday.
I never heard of that location you mention till today.
Thing is: Someone registered dreamw0rks and impersonated to be me, to act in the name of my corporation and in the name of the trade federation...
Only thing i can blame you guys is not checking his profile, since he is clearly no dreamcatchers inc member. However you lost the cans so cant blame you guys at all...
This is my request to all victims of this guy:
Make a petition of harassment whatever and send me the result.
You can hate me for my straight and no nonsence statements, my Zero tollerance attitude... But stealing isnt my style, i prefer to see myself above worms and maggots.
Dont believe what i said? Check this post i made a long time ago:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=23855
gee dreamworks
there is no player in game with the name dreamw0rks
must be another well known PK trying to make the tradefederation look bad right ?
they must have deleted themselves when you petitioned them for harrasement or some other wonderful excuse you will think up
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2003.08.19 02:09:00 -
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no no no dreamworks i get it PERFECTLY... its just, who cares? why do we need a reason to kick the crap out of the trade federation?
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.19 08:52:00 -
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I would also like to ask for a small discussion towards a possible solution to assist making the Trade Federation sucessful
Whilst I appreciate your level headed approach, I must say that as long as DREAMWORKS is can stealing and threatening players in Arbaz (to use an example I witnessed personally), the Trade Federation will not garner the respect or co-operation you seek.
Your representatives, both on these forums and in game, are doing your cause no good.
I will never take part in price fixing - however, there is a difference between acknowledging the Trade Federations efforts, and being openly hostile towards them.
The actions of people like DREAMWORKS are pushing myself, and others, towards the latter.
Tread carefully. If you cannot control your own more 'extreme' members, how can you possibly hope to control the market?
Cheers,
TOM
In my email i have send you i have explained the following:
I am not the guy who you are talking about.
I will never steal ore or anything.
I even hate ore thieves so much that i lost an thorax over it because i got to trigger happy in 1.0 space.
The other guys name was dreamw0rks (zero)
I dont even fly an indy, heck i dont even own one.
I havent left 0.0 space for 7 days, untill yesterday.
I never heard of that location you mention till today.
Thing is: Someone registered dreamw0rks and impersonated to be me, to act in the name of my corporation and in the name of the trade federation...
Only thing i can blame you guys is not checking his profile, since he is clearly no dreamcatchers inc member. However you lost the cans so cant blame you guys at all...
This is my request to all victims of this guy:
Make a petition of harassment whatever and send me the result.
You can hate me for my straight and no nonsence statements, my Zero tollerance attitude... But stealing isnt my style, i prefer to see myself above worms and maggots.
Dont believe what i said? Check this post i made a long time ago:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=23855
gee dreamworks
there is no player in game with the name dreamw0rks
must be another well known PK trying to make the tradefederation look bad right ?
they must have deleted themselves when you petitioned them for harrasement or some other wonderful excuse you will think up
Want to know something funny? The senior GM is working on this and is going to ban him. No need to make excuses up, further down this threat there is a screenshot of the guy's avatar.
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Posted - 2003.08.19 15:28:00 -
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"Want to know something funny? The senior GM is working on this and is going to ban him. No need to make excuses up, further down this threat there is a screenshot of the guy's avatar."
want to know something even funnier ?
your full of it
please post this screenshot
and name one thing this supposed "dreamw0rks"
has done to violate the TOS
because by your words alone the person has done nothing against TOS or anything that will warrent the attention of a senior GM who you conviently forgot to name and no GM even the ones here will tell you they are going to ban anyone they say they will investigate the matter
anyhow i dont care if you reply you are no longer worth my effort or time
so have a fun day in your little self important world
PS i just made a char named dreamw0rks so i guess your once again full of it concidering i made the char yesturday
PPS if your going to make up crap and lie through your teeth
at least have the brains to cover your tracks
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