| Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Dracorimus
   |
Posted - 2005.11.24 09:04:00 -
[31]
ECM Ravens > all 
-
For more than a single foe to attempt to fight the Reikoku at once is an act of supreme folley. |
Detaurus
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 09:06:00 -
[32]
Of course not Sobaseki, you play a minmatar.
1400 II 4tehwin! (always)
|
Meridius
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 09:50:00 -
[33]
Why don't you just quit, seriously?
You have to have some sort of disorder to continue to play a game that causes you so much strife.
________________________________________________________
|
Nafri
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 09:54:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: Dracorimus
ECM Ravens > all
all the cool kids abuse damps, ECM is **** compared to damps
|
Rexthor Hammerfists
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 10:27:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 24/11/2005 10:27:26
nafri ahs a point there,
scorps might still have a chance jamming a bs with eccm, but bbs and griffins will fail.
that means u gotta change to damps, no big deal, but definately how not it should be.
|
Hahahinternets
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 10:30:00 -
[36]
Crap thread, Lock and ban
|
without
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 10:32:00 -
[37]
ECCM wil be very rare in battle so it doesnt matter if it gets a 120% boost or a 500% boost
but they should limit its range for sure
|
Jobiwan
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 10:42:00 -
[38]
ECM is the only defense a Scorp have, and its an important part of its offence as well, as it really doesn't have much firepower compared to other BS..
Shieldtanking a Scorp sort of makes the ship-bonus rather pointless.
I better start train for another ship.. again.. sigh..
|
Luc Boye
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 10:46:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Detaurus
6 high slots and a ship bonus unrelated to any of them
And some still do not understand that making battleships less powerful means their position is useless, and ultimately redundant in the face of just a few much much less expensive ships. ECCM/Projected ECCM basically makes the scorpions offense(its defense)useless, and so all other battleships will win, simply because of their greater offensive capacity.
Fly a bloody raven then.
|
Rodj Blake
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 10:55:00 -
[40]
No matter how good EECM and backups become, most people won't bother fitting them.
Why?
Well with sensor boosters and tracking mods, you get a bonus to your ship whether or not someone is dampening or disrupting you. With ECCM though, you get no benefit unless you're being jammed. Faced with a choice of fitting module which will definitely be useful and fitting modules which might be useful, most players will go with the first option.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
mahhy
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 11:08:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Well with sensor boosters and tracking mods, you get a bonus to your ship whether or not someone is dampening or disrupting you. With ECCM though, you get no benefit unless you're being jammed. Faced with a choice of fitting module which will definitely be useful and fitting modules which might be useful, most players will go with the first option.
That entirely depends on if you're in a well organized gang, with other people making use of boosters and tracking mods. Back before the ECM changes, I used to fly a sort of gank'a'geddon, but specifically fit for anti Scorp duties. I was basically un-jammable (unless they were fitting all Amarr racials, which I never saw even once) so it was my task to shoot the Scorps while my corp/gang mates handled the others. Was loads of fun. I was not nearly as powerful a ship as I could have been in outright damage, but I was worth more than just damage because I removed the jammers from the field, letting my corp/gang mates get on with their work.
Running into jamming Ravens back then was fun too. Lock, melt. 
|
Blackest Sheep
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 11:31:00 -
[42]
Right now it is very difficult to protect one from a scorp, so the rock/paper/scissor theme does not apply here. With better ECCM, one can fit specifically against jamming, which provides more options. I doubt that many will fit it anyway, but coordinated groups with superiour teamplay might benefit from that.
Now they need to do something about damps and disruptors which are mostly uncounterable.
|
asdfghjkm
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 11:41:00 -
[43]
Edited by: asdfghjkm on 24/11/2005 11:42:28
I used to fly a BB loaded up to the eyeballs in jammers and have just moved up to a scorp. i dont believe that with the new sensor boosters there is a vaiable option to stand up to jamming. but as it is only the tinyest minority of eve that actually bother to use jammers it will be neglected but it will shut the whinners up
"arrrghhh he killed me in his scorp that @%&ú its not fair" etc go use back up arrays.
ermmmm can any1 tell me why my name has messed up. cos that isnt my name or my characters name.
but i agree with the point that there is no defense from dampeners. i personally dont bother using em, but they are annoying when up against em. maybe just give them a standard fail chance agaisnt all ships or do something like the jammers chance thingy.
well anyway scorp are ace, but in no way over powered, nor under powered,they are good at what they are supposed to be good at, and crap at what they are supposed to be crap at. :)
|
Gabriel Karade
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 11:41:00 -
[44]
I think some people have to read read the first post, he's talking about projected (i.e. remote) ECCM which isn't really a problem as a properly setup pair of wingman should give an ECM scorp trouble...
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on" |
Testy Mctest
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 11:41:00 -
[45]
120% is too much, imo.
But seriously, do you expect that people will use these anyway? Midslots are probably the most hard to fit everything you need in to them, and with shieldtanking becoming good also, where would you find room for these?
Either way, as has been said, 2 ships vs 1 should win, anyway.
|
Sobeseki Pawi
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 15:15:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Detaurus
Of course not Sobaseki, you play a minmatar.
1400 II 4tehwin! (always)
I dont like artillary.
~Captain Cutie, ISC Event Horizon
Biomass fears me.
Sovereignty 2.0 |
Ryysa
|
Posted - 2005.11.24 15:22:00 -
[47]
atm there's almost no way to beat a jamming scorp, only fit more sensor boosters than he has and jam him first...
It is good to see the ECCM modules are getting a boost, as imo it's fair.
The point is, you never know what a scorp has fitted...
He could have 6tracking disruptors... or 30k shields and 20k armor.... or 90% resistances to all...
Or sensor damps.....
Seriously, you never know... so let's say you wanna attack a scorp, and u fit like a TON of those new eccm which will make you nearly unjammable...
And then that scorp has 4 T2 damps with good skills.. and you're totally screwed...
Stop whining, ECCM modules needed a boost long ago...
Oh and... i mainly fly scorp myself...
__________________________________________
All about target jamming... |
Malthros Zenobia
|
Posted - 2005.11.25 21:21:00 -
[48]
Let's try thinking like Detardus for a minute...
"hmm, they changed something on Sisi,a test server, to see how it'd fit in the balance... OH MY GOD MY ******* SCORPION CANT JAM HALF A DOZEN SHIPS NOW, WTF? Do these evil devs want to nerf solo play even more? How can I jam this guy being boosted by a friend?" (let's not forget he hasn't mentioned jamming the booster ship which would make the boosted ship easy to jam again)
Ok...
Scorps are prettybuff right now. They can jam half a dozen other BSes, and their indirect power is the reason they're the primary target so often. The 120% boost will get tweaked I'm sure, but dampeners and the like will still be potent mods. Any change to EWAR is going to need to be done gently to avoid screwing up the system, but it's not like a jammed ship can't still open fire using FOFs in its launchers.
Even a minor nerf won't make a scorpion be unable to nerf the hell out of most ships smaller than a BS. Do you know of any other ship that can make half a dozen firgs/cruisers run away?
Why don't you see how small the 'nerf' will be compared to your current skills once you train those two skills to lvl 5? It can mean alot you know.
------------------------------------
Your Civilian Gatling Railgun perfectly strikes Choke Slam [CAIN], wrecking for 6.0 damage. |
Kyoko Sakoda
|
Posted - 2005.11.25 21:31:00 -
[49]
The only way to balance out the new ECCM modules with the crap ECM attack probability system is to add ECM damage mods. I've seen these on Object Explorer as a low slot module so I'm not too worried. But I hope CCP understands that ECM is already flaky, and that these changes will need alot of testing and tweaking.
|
N1fty
|
Posted - 2005.11.25 23:05:00 -
[50]
Detarius, your logic is seriously flawed here, your talking about a single modules chances for jamming, which are pretty low, but if you stick 8 multispectral jammers in your medslots that gives you a compound probability of jamming that is much higher than that of a single module. Im not going to bother with the maths, but any Ewar pilot worth his salt knows that the more multispecs you fit, the higher your probability for a jam.
.................
N1fty -"CKN Recruiting Sergeant" |
Hoozin
|
Posted - 2005.11.26 00:00:00 -
[51]
I've never done this before, but:
Originally by: Calderio
electronic warfare is fragile at best, any kind of teaking could have major consiquences
/signed
Originally by: SomeDumbAlt?
Crap thread, Lock and ban
Idiot... (Why do I feel the trolls? Cause they're so cute and furry.)
---------------------------------
Talons cal |
Crito
|
Posted - 2005.11.26 00:03:00 -
[52]
Originally by: N1fty
Detarius, your logic is seriously flawed here, your talking about a single modules chances for jamming, which are pretty low, but if you stick 8 multispectral jammers in your medslots that gives you a compound probability of jamming that is much higher than that of a single module. Im not going to bother with the maths, but any Ewar pilot worth his salt knows that the more multispecs you fit, the higher your probability for a jam.
81.5%, but whatever...
|
Aequitas Veritas
|
Posted - 2005.11.26 00:27:00 -
[53]
You guys are being unreasonable with beating off on him like that in each thread. Though I do understand that some of the threads he have posted are annoying at best, there is no need to personally insult him...
With regards to the ECCM thingies... the T2 passive low slot module is +30%, the active medium one is 50%. I mean, maybe thats the right levels for htem to be at, but going from useless to uber in one patch I find unessesary. Better to change the system so that they add percentages and then move on from there and increase the percentages if its not enough.
Scorps only defence is the ECM, it has NOTHING else going for it... and with the damage changes a lot of low slots are "free" to be used with this...
Victuri te Salutant |
F'nog
|
Posted - 2005.11.26 00:38:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Aequitas Veritas
You guys are being unreasonable with beating off on him like that in each thread.
Methinks someone needs to look up what "beating off" means.
Originally by: rowbin hod
Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
|
danneh
|
Posted - 2005.11.26 00:51:00 -
[55]
Looks fine to me.
|
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
|
Posted - 2005.11.26 04:29:00 -
[56]
CCP gave the people what they wanted with an added twist of teamwork, nice.
---------------------------------------------
Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!! |
Jim Raynor
|
Posted - 2005.11.26 04:57:00 -
[57]
eccm should be worth using, but so should ecm as well, hopefully ccp can balance it out.
i think having functional electronic warfare is a very good thing for pvp, let's face it, if we didn't, the game dwindles down to who has the best rof and dmg mod, and becomes boring, ew makes things interesting and counters the ganktards.
tanking obviously doesn't work when you have 20 people shooting at you, electronic warfare though, can be effective in that type of combat.
so ccp please dont ruin it
------
If Captain James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock embracing one another, in a bath tube, nude, in space, is wrong, I don't want to be right. |
Kyozoku
|
Posted - 2005.11.26 07:35:00 -
[58]
Can't the scorp use one as well or do they not work offencivly?
|
ArchenTheGreat
|
Posted - 2005.11.26 08:00:00 -
[59]
Edited by: ArchenTheGreat on 26/11/2005 08:00:35
I need to test it yet but AFAIR ECCM Projectors never boost target ship above the sensor strength of host ship. So if Scorp has 0 magnetometric strength it can't boost Megathrons. And there is no module which boost Scorp magnetometric absolute sensor strength (only relative).
Only benefit is for boosting other Caldari ships (which have high sensor strength already). And it will boost them to Scorp level anyway so it's not worth of midslot in case of boosting Raven. What's left? Boosting frigs and HACs?
|
Ralitge boyter
|
Posted - 2005.11.26 09:55:00 -
[60]
CCP please isn't there a reason to ban this Detaurus character... We can make something up I'm sure most if not all forum readers will back your actions. (bad use of english, useless whining, unconstructive posts... come on we must be able to come up with something. Change the EULA if you have to but please stop this mad man from posting)
-------------------------------------------
Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me. |
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |