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Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.24 13:00:00 - [1] Well, we seem to have an amusing new pirate corp on the block. Gallente Federal Gendarmerie seem to bill themselves as the good guys of Gallente space? All well and good, but one wonders how blowing up the miners and haulers of random industrial corps will help them achieve this. So be warned if tempted to report things in their 'anti-pirate' channel - they're more than likely to come and take you out themselves... I give them a few weeks until they realise they can't hack it and give up Note: This is not a 'they killed me' whine, as they have never landed a shot on me. Just thought Essence might like to know about these rather two-faced pilots!
DaMiGe	Posted - 2005.11.24 13:32:00 - [2] sounds like they need help what systems are that your in? ---> My vids <--- latest movie = the lottery
Skogen Gump	Posted - 2005.11.24 14:38:00 - [3] Hey that sounds like a great idea, Join channel #Igotpodkilledinakora and any friendly members of Infinitus Odium will help you with your pest problem :) EVE is like a box of chocolates
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:20:00 - [4] Hehehe, good luck with that one
Flyer11	Posted - 2005.11.24 16:53:00 - [5] waves at kata yea i've seen them coming through hevrice [verge vendor] we was gonna ransom them wish we had now lol.. ill keep an eye out Fly CEO And Founder of H20 Designz
Xenios Alfar	Posted - 2005.11.24 16:59:00 - [6] Lmao. Sigh... the Media these days ;-) False Advertising is common practice now i guess :P.
Koopy	Posted - 2005.11.24 18:42:00 - [7] We have substantial evidence to indicate that Proteus Ship Services is affiliated with pirate corporations that are a cancer on our great Federation. also, their claims to be 'random miners and haulers' are severely flawed, given that they cowardly offer the blood of other citizens of the Federation in return for favour from their degenerate pirate masters. They were placed on our KOS list when they and members of Wings of Redemption attempted to attack a mining operation conducted my GFG in Lisbaetanne. More specifically, it was apparent that members of Proteus scouted our mining operation and relayed our strength and position to members of pirate cadres waiting nearby. Our formation only survived because we saw trouble looming over local channel relays and pulled out of the belt, which was soon crawling with pirate vessels. I have contacted Proteus Ship Services CEO and informed him that if they continue to align themselves with such pirates who 'claim' parts of our Federation, they will be considered pirates themselves Following are unedited communiquTs from a member of Proteus confirming their involvement with pirate corporations [ 2005.11.11 15:53:32 ] Katamarino > you should know that Lisb is claimed By WOR and RED-A - Prote support them when they ask in exchange for protection [ 2005.11.11 15:55:22 ] Katamarino > as such we can only operate there if we are friendly to them, and on their terms
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.11.24 18:47:00 - [8] Greetings Proteus Ship Services, For supporting criminal organizations in terrorizing low security federation space you are now an enemy of the initiative. - Cyrene Initiative Command. ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.24 19:06:00 - [9] We await your next pirate blob with amusement then! And anticipate with greater amusement seeing whether you actually engage any combat ships...
Shemar	Posted - 2005.11.24 19:20:00 - [10] I operate in the area and I have a long history with the people of GFG. Long enough to know that their intentions are honorable and their actions lawful. Therefore I welcome their efforts to rid the area of the protection rackets and those who server them. Please feel free to call upon my limited resources at any time. Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.24 19:44:00 - [11] Ok, I now have the time for a longer reply. I have been in the Essence region for almost a year now. In all this time, I have seen the GFG -once- and once only. The rest of the time in our low-sec, the occupants are the local pirating corps. An Industrial corporation requires access to low-sec to be competetive. The minerals available there are essential. So imagine in the months before a few GFG jokers show up just what options said corp has to survive. Well, this is obvious. They do a deal. After all, the 'knights in shining armour' are nowhere to be seen, and can hardly be expected to be there 24/7. Now the guardians of peace and justice arrive. And instead of attacking the pirates, they attack the industrial corp, the very people they are allegedly are trying to liberate. Now why they do this I don't know. They like the easy targets perhaps? Maybe thats just who was around, who knows. But the fact of the matter is these heroes are critically letting down the people they claim to want to help. I await a reply, Respectfully, Katamarino
Jon Cameron	Posted - 2005.11.24 19:52:00 - [12] Hah, this is a laugh. We charge money for protection from the little guys who want to make it in low-sec. You guys come along, all big and mighty, to defeat us evil pirates. At least that's what you're saying. All you're doing, though, is muscling in on our territory. This isn't a legal police action (if it were legal, why'd you lose sec, smart guys?), it's a turf war, pure and simple. Gussy it up all you want, the result is the same. You want a piece of our action, and you'll strike the same targets we do to get it. You can call yourselves "Anti-Pirate", but we all know the truth. You could at least have some class and start charging ransoms of your victims, maybe with lower prices, to make us really look bad. As it is, at least people know with WOR they have a chance to leave with their ships intact, and to have the possibility of working in the area without harassment. With you, it's KOS. See you in the void guys. Maybe we'll actually see you coming after us nasty pirates for a change.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Katamarino Ok, I now have the time for a longer reply. I have been in the Essence region for almost a year now. In all this time, I have seen the GFG -once- and once only. The rest of the time in our low-sec, the occupants are the local pirating corps. An Industrial corporation requires access to low-sec to be competetive. The minerals available there are essential. So imagine in the months before a few GFG jokers show up just what options said corp has to survive. Well, this is obvious. They do a deal. After all, the 'knights in shining armour' are nowhere to be seen, and can hardly be expected to be there 24/7. Now the guardians of peace and justice arrive. And instead of attacking the pirates, they attack the industrial corp, the very people they are allegedly are trying to liberate. Now why they do this I don't know. They like the easy targets perhaps? Maybe thats just who was around, who knows. But the fact of the matter is these heroes are critically letting down the people they claim to want to help. I await a reply, Respectfully, Katamarino You fund pirates in their criminal activities inside Gallente space; normally these types of corporations are not of any direct interest to us. They hold no real importance and arenÆt worth taking action against. Unless they make it personal that is... You made a deal with pirates and you got shot over it, which is quite unfortunate as we normally donÆt engage pilots with a positive security status. Normally the event would have gone fairly unnoticed to us and we would have focused on more interesting efforts. However, when you publicly try and smear our reputation in an attempt to salvage your own we become willing to relocate our interest. - Joshua Foiritain. ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:20:00 - [14] Edited by: Katamarino on 24/11/2005 20:21:23 It is interesting that you completely fail to address my main point - the fact that it is entirely due to your half-arsed job that corporations seek protection from pirates in the first place. By showing up as and when, you are merely ensuring you have a supply of easily excusable soft targets. The incident mentioned above happened weeks, more likely months ago. You fleet arrived in system and chatted to my pilots in a friendly manner, including an amusing little tale about the GFG CEO shutting his hand in a car door. They then returned with 8 ships, mostly BS, and proceded to gank them with not so much as a warning - a very honourable and 'lawful' thing to do. None of the local pirates were touched. I put it to you that this fleet is cowardly, and incapable of taking on the REAL pirates in the region. I have a feeling most will agree with me. You will not be taken seriously until you both reply properly here, rather than half-hearted evasions of the points, and conduct your fleet tactics in an honourable manner, rather than a manner BELOW the pirates you seek to combat. Stop playing at being an Alliance leader, and actually act like one. Edit: I might also add that no funds or materials flow between my corp and local pirates, thus negating another of your so-called 'points'.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Katamarino It is interesting that you completely fail to address my main point - the fact that it is entirely due to your half-arsed job that corporations seek protection from pirates in the first place. By showing up as and when, you are merely ensuring you have a supply of easily excusable soft targets. Correction, you are assuming itÆs our job to protect you... Its not... YouÆve engaged in acts of piracy against our members, turns out Delmore and yourself attacked members of the GFG along side WOR pilots. Originally by: Katamarino The incident mentioned above happened weeks, more likely months ago. You fleet arrived in system and chatted to my pilots in a friendly manner, including an amusing little tale about the GFG CEO shutting his hand in a car door. They then returned with 8 ships, mostly BS, and proceded to gank them with not so much as a warning - a very honourable and 'lawful' thing to do. Neither Cyrene nor the GFG existed months ago... some evidence would be nice though. Originally by: Katamarino I put it to you that this fleet is cowardly, and incapable of taking on the REAL pirates in the region. I have a feeling most will agree with me. You will not be taken seriously until you both reply properly here, rather than half-hearted evasions of the points, and conduct your fleet tactics in an honorable manner, rather than a manner BELOW the pirates you seek to combat. Stop playing at being an Alliance leader, and actually act like one. First of all, the opinion of anyone other then initiative members or federation officials matters very little to us, we will do what we please as we see fit to achieve our goals. If youÆre gonna fund and engage in piracy; deal with the consequences. ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Koopy	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:36:00 - [16] Edited by: Koopy on 24/11/2005 20:39:07 Edited by: Koopy on 24/11/2005 20:38:18 You claim to be an industrial corporation but your actions speak volumes about your real character. Even a peaceful industrial corp forced to pay criminals for mining rights would not scout for them, nor be in formations of criminals that are attacking other miners. These actions are the reason you have been targeted. If our mining operations and those of other well meaning local corps are fair game in your eyes, then yours are criminal and fair targets in ours. We do not want any payment from Proteus Ship Services, we only wish that you renounce your ties with pirate corps and rejoin law-abiding society, even if that means fighting for your own right to be free. As for not attacking the pirates directly, we went looking for your members, Jon, but only found one in the surrounding area who proceeded to hide in a station until our patrol had moved on. There will be absolutely no charging of ransoms by GFG as that is just an act of piracy, but the destruction of enemy ships shows that we will not tolerate piracy or those who aid. it Lisbaetanne is not Wings of Redemption territory; it is Federation space and should be free for all Federation Citizens to use. If this was a path you were brave enough to tread, you would find an ally, rather than an enemy, in the Cyrene Initiative and its member corporations Katamarino please check your facts, the fleet you speak of had a lone battleship which didnÆt even see any battle, and in fact both targets were killed by a lone pilot with no support from the rest of the fleet. Local did not contain any viable pirate targets so I suggest you get in contact with the pilots involved and stop acting like you were present during this incident.
Will Danza	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:37:00 - [17] Edited by: Will Danza on 24/11/2005 20:39:36 Edited by: Will Danza on 24/11/2005 20:38:30 doh
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Will Danza If it happened so long ago, why post about it now claiming that these are "new" pirates? I refer to two different incidents: The incursion of the GFG miners was weeks ago, this recent blob just last night
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:45:00 - [19] mmm... pirates?!?! Seems theres gonna be a shoot-out at The Old Corral
Koopy	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:46:00 - [20] Katamarino you say that no funds or materials flow between prote and the pirates in the area, what is this deal you speak of then?
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Correction, you are assuming itÆs our job to protect you... Its not... YouÆve engaged in acts of piracy against our members, turns out Delmore and yourself attacked members of the GFG along side WOR pilots. You, by imposing your fleets on our systems, are MAKING it your job to 'protect' the corps who use them. This is your whole mission statement. So don't about-turn now. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Neither Cyrene nor the GFG existed months ago... some evidence would be nice though. You can look at the dates of the very logs your lackeys posted above, can you not? As for last nights act of piracy - as soon as my pilot is online i shall be examining the killmail. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain First of all, the opinion of anyone other then initiative members or federation officials matters very little to us, we will do what we please as we see fit to achieve our goals. Aha! You shall do as you see fit to achieve your goals. EXACTLY the same as any pirate corporation - achieveing their goals no matter what people think. In this statement you prove your rather dubious role. Stop trying to pretend toy act for the greater good - as YOU SAID above, you are not. You are merely trying to claim territory for YOURSELVES (not 'The Federation') in the manner of any pirate corporation. You do not have the moral high ground you seem to hold so dear.
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Koopy Katamarino you say that no funds or materials flow between prote and the pirates in the area, what is this deal you speak of then? That's entirely our business, however, I shall assuage your nosy manner. We haul for them, and provide information in attacking other pirate corporations - I am talking about real pirate corps here, not your attempt at one, although your attempts to claim territory here are unwelcome.
Koopy	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Katamarino Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Neither Cyrene nor the GFG existed months ago... some evidence would be nice though. You can look at the dates of the very logs your lackeys posted above yes we can check the logs and the logs show that it was 2 weeks ago that prote and WOR attacked GFG's mining op, not months like you seem to think
Delmore	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:57:00 - [24] Dear Pirate Koopy, You failed to inform me that I was a target of your Cooperation. You failed to notify me that I had wronged Solar system. You failed to let me know how my mining lasers broke your invisible rules. You did not even try and talk to me you offered NO response for destroying my hauler and or wifeÆs mining cruiser. I asked you in local why you destroyed are ships, and you said nothing. I tried to send you a private message, thinking maybe you are just a shy fellow and local was too crowed with your fleet to speak. But you band me from ever talking to you again. What are you so scared of? So being the resourceful fellow I am, I read your bio in your bio you talk about how you formed your Corp because you where tired of having ôScum playersö stealing your ore and cargo. (ôLooks around for his ore, oh wait Koopy the hero of Essence TOOK itö) But in your bio I find ôIf you have been a victim of a pirate please report them to chat channel ûGFG-ô Ok here is how I can find out way I was attacked. I join the channel, ask why I was attacked. And not one person has the decency to respond to my question. All these self proclaimed heroÆs of Gallente space, Pilots that just 20 minutes before rushed in the sector to gank a hauler and a mining cruiser, canÆt tell me why the destroyed are ships and took are ore that we had worked so hard for. I find out here on the message boards why I was attacked. You where all to cowardly to talk to the people you stole from? If you want to protect miners from pirates thatÆs wonderful. But where are you ships your Fleet of HeroÆs, Protectors when I am trying to make an honest living mining and others take my ore and push me around. I know where you have been, destroying haulers and mining cruisers. I or my wife have ever taken anything from another player, we have defended are selfÆs from pirates and now it looks like we will have to defend are selfÆs from Self-righteous GFG and friends. P.S. I do hope your hand feels better. I donÆt wish harm or pain on anyone. -Delmore
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Koopy yes we can check the logs and the logs show that it was 2 weeks ago that prote and WOR attacked GFG's mining op, not months like you seem to think "The incident mentioned above happened weeks, more likely months ago." Seems i covered that, doesn't it eh Koopy..
Koopy	Posted - 2005.11.24 21:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Delmore So being the resourceful fellow I am, I read your bio in your bio you talk about how you formed your Corp because you where tired of having ôScum playersö stealing your ore and cargo. (ôLooks around for his ore, oh wait Koopy the hero of Essence TOOK itö) Your ore was not taken it was destroyed and you were targeted because you were the one that scouted for the combined prote/WOR fleet and the one that hauled the ore mined by GFG after our miners were forced to vacate the belt.
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.24 21:08:00 - [27] And the other pilot Koopy? Got a nice 'lawful' reason for that one i trust?
Koopy	Posted - 2005.11.24 21:12:00 - [28] i covered that already
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.24 21:13:00 - [29] Quote it for me. Humour me on this. We renounce you as the pirates you are, and look forward to your failure to claim the territory away from the Corporations that currently inhabit it.
Delmore	Posted - 2005.11.24 21:24:00 - [30] Koopy you are wrong. I cannot help that. No matter how much I tell you the truth you will claim I lie. I did want to tell you are wrong about me being a scout. I can tell you the places I canÆt mine because of pirates. Maybe you could swing by and clean them up for all of us? SO now the truth comes out, you are not protecting. You carried out a revenge attack on the innocent. Well that does let me know the type of man you are. And with a name like Koopy no wonder. If you destroyed the ore thatÆs cool, I mean once you steal it its yours I guess. Can we please have back the mods from the ships? -Delmore

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