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RAW23
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:51:00 -
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Az Tek wrote:RAW23 wrote:I'll be quite surprised if CCP let this stand. I've seen no evidence to suggest that character transfer scams are only forbidden in the character bazaar. Indeed the FAQ in account management suggests that they treat it very seriously in all cases. I'm also not at all convinced that CCP will buy the line that this was not actually a character sale because the OP only asked for enough isk for the transfer. He still required isk in exchange for the character and I don't think CCP are stupid enough to fall for the claim that saying 'this isk is only to facilitate the transfer' is any different from selling the character for 1.1bil. This is the 4th time i've done this..
Interesting. Has anyone petitioned it before? The statement that "Character scamming in any form is not allowed" seems pretty definitive.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:52:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:RAW23 wrote:I'll be quite surprised if CCP let this stand. I've seen no evidence to suggest that character transfer scams are only forbidden in the character bazaar. Indeed the FAQ in account management suggests that they treat it very seriously in all cases. I'm also not at all convinced that CCP will buy the line that this was not actually a character sale because the OP only asked for enough isk for the transfer. He still required isk in exchange for the character and I don't think CCP are stupid enough to fall for the claim that saying 'this isk is only to facilitate the transfer' is any different from selling the character for 1.1bil. Quote:There are new Rules for trading characters for isk.
*** Character scamming in any form is not allowed. *** http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=552381 But he wasn't selling the character. He was giving it away and thus, it is not a considered a scam as such.
He asked for isk in exchange for the character. Claiming that it was not really a trade of a character for isk seems pretty implausible.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:52:00 -
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in the character bazaar, he never was going to sell or trade his character, someone just gave him some cash for transfering it over for free, decided to not transfer...  |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:53:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Alpheias wrote:RAW23 wrote:I'll be quite surprised if CCP let this stand. I've seen no evidence to suggest that character transfer scams are only forbidden in the character bazaar. Indeed the FAQ in account management suggests that they treat it very seriously in all cases. I'm also not at all convinced that CCP will buy the line that this was not actually a character sale because the OP only asked for enough isk for the transfer. He still required isk in exchange for the character and I don't think CCP are stupid enough to fall for the claim that saying 'this isk is only to facilitate the transfer' is any different from selling the character for 1.1bil. Quote:There are new Rules for trading characters for isk.
*** Character scamming in any form is not allowed. *** http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=552381 But he wasn't selling the character. He was giving it away and thus, it is not a considered a scam as such. He asked for isk in exchange for the character. Claiming that it was not really a trade of a character for isk seems pretty implausible.
No, he asked for donations so he could perform the transfer:
do-+na-+tion
/d+ì-ên-üSH+Ön/
Noun
Something that is given to a charity, esp. a sum of money.
The action of donating something.
Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Az Tek
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
6504
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:56:00 -
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Ok for once im my life I think i just broke. Alice has made me feel bad. Made it out to be personal. It's just good business!
WHY DID YOU TAKE MY GLORY ALICE! Nobody else cried for real. =/
Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang |
Dgram Loop
Dutch Squad
Novus Dominatum
14
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:57:00 -
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Will there be a C&P thread with the best mails or are you keeping those tears all to yourself?  |
Saheed Cha'chris'ra
Krautz WH Exploration and Production
LiVingInTheBoX
85
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:57:00 -
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I still wonder why the people have sent you their ISK in the first place... when only one is supposed to get the character? lol. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:58:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:
No, he asked for donations so he "could perform the transfer":
do-+na-+tion
/d+ì-ên-üSH+Ön/
Making the transfer conditional on a "donation" doesn't seem any different to making it conditional on paying a price. It's a nice attempt and, knowing CCP's inconsistencies, he might get away with it but it's the kind of logic that doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:02:00 -
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you know your in the right game when the scammer gets defended |
Amuntis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:04:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:I'll be quite surprised if CCP let this stand. I've seen no evidence to suggest that character transfer scams are only forbidden in the character bazaar. Indeed the FAQ in account management suggests that they treat it very seriously in all cases. I'm also not at all convinced that CCP will buy the line that this was not actually a character sale because the OP only asked for enough isk for the transfer. He still required isk in exchange for the character and I don't think CCP are stupid enough to fall for the claim that saying 'this isk is only to facilitate the transfer' is any different from selling the character for 1.1bil. Quote:There are new Rules for trading characters for isk.
*** Character scamming in any form is not allowed. *** http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=552381
He is not scamming anyone out of his/her character, right? |
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Az Tek
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
6504
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:04:00 -
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I enjoyed this up intill about 10 mins ago. Think im getting soft. I've stolen billions on top of billions but this one has got to me =/
The mail alice sent me was horrible. lol Like Killed her ******* puppy horrible.
Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang |
Amuntis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:05:00 -
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OP, can you post a screenshot of all the isk/plex you received along with delicious tears? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:05:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Alpheias wrote:
No, he asked for donations so he "could perform the transfer":
do-+na-+tion
/d+ì-ên-üSH+Ön/
Making the transfer conditional on a "donation" doesn't seem any different to making it conditional on paying a price. It's a nice attempt and, knowing CCP's inconsistencies, he might get away with it but it's the kind of logic that doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
He specifically said he did not have the isk for the transfer, which implied that he had given it away. That people bought into it because of greed (HEY! FREE CHARACTER!) and donated isk to cover for the transfer.. well, yeah. Just proves that people go full stupid.
Whose scrutiny are we talking about? That you are trying to project your morality and ethics in this thread is obvious.
Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
891
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:07:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Arg My need for a Gallente toon blinded me 
Her Alice, get some friendly hugs from Schultz.
As you said "shite" happens in game even if you're experienced or have a good wallet, sometimes you just want to give it a try to help someone or whatever the heck, you did and "shite" happened, that's the game no hard feelings, you're moving on therefore doing it right.
*Needs to reactivate his Blink account*
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
37
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:14:00 -
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Eh, scamming on the forums crosses the line in my opinion. |
Az Tek
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
6504
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:14:00 -
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We are going to hold a vote.
If 20 ppl say i should transfer the toon to her I will.
That simple.
20 ppl...
Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang |
Amuntis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:15:00 -
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What if 20 say you should, yet 100 say you shouldn't?
You'll still transfer? |
Az Tek
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
6505
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:16:00 -
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Amuntis wrote:What if 20 say you should, yet 100 say you shouldn't?
You'll still transfer?
More ppl have to tell me to transfer than not to transfer.
Alices is in your hands everyone! =)
Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang |
Kaminu
Not Solitude Again
Solitude Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:17:00 -
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most funny think would be char is transfered and Alice is remote harvesting tears :D |
Alpheias
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:17:00 -
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Az Tek wrote:We are going to hold a vote.
If 20 ppl say i should transfer the toon to her I will.
That simple.
20 ppl...
No. Let her sulk.
She even adjust her portrait to show off just how much she is pouting, and that **** is just adorable.
https://image.eveonline.com/Character/91127134_1024.jpg
Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
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Az Tek
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
6505
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:18:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Az Tek wrote:We are going to hold a vote.
If 20 ppl say i should transfer the toon to her I will.
That simple.
20 ppl... No. Let her sulk. She even adjust her portrait to show off just how much she is pouting, and that **** is just adorable. https://image.eveonline.com/Character/91127134_1024.jpg
LOLOLOLOL man i was just starting to feel bad. Nomnomnomn ty
Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang |
Mizhir
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
25586
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:18:00 -
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I suppose I should support my Queen of Likes :)
Transfer
We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Az Tek
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
6505
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:19:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:I suppose I should support my Queen of Likes :)
Transfer
Ok she/he has confused me. Some of the things she/he said in private convo. Before i do anything i need to know if she/he was trolling me or for real. Is she/he a guy or girl? I know you know. You guys are both on comms right? And with her recent gifts?
Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:20:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:RAW23 wrote:Alpheias wrote:
No, he asked for donations so he "could perform the transfer":
do-+na-+tion
/d+ì-ên-üSH+Ön/
Making the transfer conditional on a "donation" doesn't seem any different to making it conditional on paying a price. It's a nice attempt and, knowing CCP's inconsistencies, he might get away with it but it's the kind of logic that doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. He specifically said he did not have the isk for the transfer, which implied that he had given it away. That people bought into it because of greed (HEY! FREE CHARACTER!) and donated isk to cover for the transfer.. well, yeah. Just proves that people go full stupid. Whose scrutiny are we talking about? That you are trying to project your morality and ethics in this thread is obvious.
It has nothing to do with morality or ethics. Scamming is allowed in eve but character transfer scams are not. It's a rules thing not an ethics thing. And the scrutiny I'm talking about is simple logical scrutiny. What you are doing is identifying a distinction without a difference. He didn't *ask* for a donation, he made it a mandatory condition of the transfer. Saying 'I will only transfer this character to you if you give me x isk' is functionally identical whether you label the isk transfer a purchase or a donation. You could label it a Gruffalo and it wouldn't change what it actually is - a transaction involving the trade of isk for the character. Obviously, the label thing is not something that any authority would buy in real life (you can't avoid sales tax by calling the mandatory transfer of cash a donation instead of a purchase). CCP, on the other hand, may buy it but they would be rather silly to be persuaded by this kind of rhetorical move.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:21:00 -
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Az Tek wrote:Mizhir wrote:I suppose I should support my Queen of Likes :)
Transfer Ok she/he has confused me. Some of the things she/he said in private convo. Before i do anything i need to know if she/he was trolling me or for real. Is she/he a guy or girl? I know you know. You guys are both on comms right? And with her recent gifts?
MMORPG
Many Men Online Role Playing Girls.
Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2997
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:21:00 -
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How much did she give you, Az? |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
957
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:21:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:RAW23 wrote:Alpheias wrote:
No, he asked for donations so he "could perform the transfer":
do-+na-+tion
/d+ì-ên-üSH+Ön/
Making the transfer conditional on a "donation" doesn't seem any different to making it conditional on paying a price. It's a nice attempt and, knowing CCP's inconsistencies, he might get away with it but it's the kind of logic that doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. He specifically said he did not have the isk for the transfer, which implied that he had given it away. That people bought into it because of greed (HEY! FREE CHARACTER!) and donated isk to cover for the transfer.. well, yeah. Just proves that people go full stupid. Whose scrutiny are we talking about? That you are trying to project your morality and ethics in this thread is obvious.
RAW is talking about the scrutiny of any neutral party who is asked whether
"I give you X in exchange for Y"
and
"I give you X if and only if you have donated Y to me first"
are qualitatively different statements.
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Rutger Janssen
Xanadu
83
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:23:00 -
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Alice, you can petition it, get your isk back and get the guy a warning/ban:
http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=433 states that "Also, if you are buying or selling a character for ISK, make sure that it is done in accordance to the Character Bazaar rules." The rules that any scamming with character transfer is not permitted and this was about a character transfer.
Now was this a sale? He was giving the character for enough isk to cover the transfer amount. To shorten that: He gave the character for isk.
Sell: to transfer (goods) to or render (services) for another in exchange for money;
So this was definatly a scam involving selling/transfer of a character. |
Az Tek
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
6509
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:23:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:How much did she give you, Az?
only 2 plexs
to the rest of it READ my posts. I said all fes are considered donations.
Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:26:00 -
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Az Tek wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:How much did she give you, Az? only 2 plexs to the rest of it READ my posts. I said all fes are considered donations.
How you consider them isn't really the issue though.
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