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Dao 2	Posted - 2005.11.25 20:59:00 - [91] Originally by: Coasterbrian Originally by: Vegas And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt! Prove it. u saying that adds on so much more suspicion ;p not that there was much doubt before anyway :\|
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.11.25 20:59:00 - [92] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You [G] and IRON guys should really stop ganging Burn Eden pilots... The disease is spreading through the ranks... I remember [G] as an alliance that can keep their mouths shut in local unless it's a nice props orso... Guess it all went overboard? Meh and stuff :) you're still playing ? I'm sure I can guess you nickname in an alternate universe... "waaghaa" Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Raid Originally by: Vegas Originally by: Kleric So what is it that makes you think your winning the war against ASCN? ... I think the obvious point to look at is that the G statement is posted by a G member! And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt! Kind of a give away imo on is an alt post... the other is an official press release.. You see the difference right? One reflects the whole alliance the other reflects the mood of a single person possibly a carebear, no one really knows. this is a bit pushing it for propaganda yeah ;p but an alt post is always infintly worse ;p
vladdy2	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:07:00 - [94] Goberth, the VVO fight is tough for me to judge what the outcome was/is, here is why, i beleive it was a mixed G/Iron gang and as such the "results" "combined" cannot be read by IRON pilots due to the fact it was a mixed gang ie G stats not available. I took exception to you, .........ah this is all he said she said, bibble babble back n forth, forth and back again, round n round we go. see you out there, maybe we can sort ourselves out and just shoot each other LOTS!!!!!11!!!110 i know im looking forward to it..... Frigs at dawn?
Vandoras	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:09:00 - [95] Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Coasterbrian Originally by: Vegas And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt! Prove it. u saying that adds on so much more suspicion ;p not that there was much doubt before anyway :\| Well let me just crush your statment to an all new time bottom. Maybe that`ll refrain you from posting such useless post in the future. But just what the h* do you accuse me for? I find it HIGHLY offensive that you claim me for being in line with ASCN, when i couldnt give a d* in what happens to them, or G for that matter. Keep the trash for yourself, and go troll somewhere else.
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:31:00 - [96] Quote: go troll somewhere else. He didn't troll. -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Rhodry Amarrian	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:46:00 - [97] Originally by: Laythun well it looks like one side are trying to remain proffesional about the business in the south. i only hope the 'counter posts' are as abjective and structued as this Objective? LMFAO Cant be bothered to read anything but the main post but FYI the attack on the North was never intended to be an invasion - just some payback for many annoying frig raids by various, mostly IRON, gangs in ASCN space. It was never intended to be anything other than some pvp fun, this talk of invasion etc is just ridiculous.
Josclyn Verreuil	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:47:00 - [98] Quote: Members of ASCN understood the positive standings between G and ASCN to be a "gentlemans agreement." We'd been fighting for a long time and it had never been personal or smack-filled so with growing respect it was agreed that we would set each other to +5 in two or three weeks when the empire wars ended. blah blah blah, stuff happens, G accuire a base 2 jumps from ASCN space, and then they put up a POS on ASCN territory. POS = personal now. ASCN didn't make claims on G space during our fights up north but things are obviously different in the south. Theres no doubt G/IRON came out on top the first week of the invasion. ASCN had a terrible BS kill ratio. G set up a POS in our space. The whiners started crying ZOMG, the forum rats started laughing at ASCN getting "steamrolled," and ASCN members buckled down. The second week of fighting saw a dramatically better BS kill ratio for ASCN and no gains for G/IRON. G was still pressing in AZN with BS fleets but they never did anything. They sat in a bubble warping to intercepters if someone forgot to use a bookmark to a gate. Now its the same story. G and Iron make no gains. ASCN can not remove their POSes due to bugs. Fights are going both ways and the "invasion" has completely stopped. It's not a victory for ASCN at this point but it most certainly is not a victory for G and IRON either. We'll see what the next week or two bring but there won't be an easy victory over ASCN. Despite what the haters say we're in high spirits, we recognize the seriousness of the enemy POSes in our space but we're still having fun. G/IRON have accomplished very little since the big fleet battle in AZN so anybody who actually knows whats going on is going to say "What a load of crap" when reading this announcement. ^^ ~Clan Verreuil
Rhodry Amarrian	Posted - 2005.11.25 22:09:00 - [99] Edited by: Rhodry Amarrian on 25/11/2005 22:11:02 There is no point, its just feeding trolls.
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.11.25 22:33:00 - [100] But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves! Pets Olyyy ---------- Originally by: riker to thebold first post w/ your main. Soft and Crunchy 4tw! \o/
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.11.25 23:20:00 - [101] Originally by: Coasterbrian But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves! Pets Olyyy "trolls" "fools"... Troll example: "you're so full of **" or "you guys are so full of crap" Other troll example: trolls You guys could at least be more imaginative when posting... ASCN leader "G are ****s!" member 1 "signed" member 2 "signed" member 3 "signed!" I dunno... try to show some passion (like on cyvok's alliance mails shrugs) ? Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^ Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?*
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.11.25 23:25:00 - [102] Originally by: Vandoras Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Coasterbrian Originally by: Vegas And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt! Prove it. u saying that adds on so much more suspicion ;p not that there was much doubt before anyway :\| then y post such a biased thread? ;pppppppp Well let me just crush your statment to an all new time bottom. Maybe that`ll refrain you from posting such useless post in the future. But just what the h* do you accuse me for? I find it HIGHLY offensive that you claim me for being in line with ASCN, when i couldnt give a d* in what happens to them, or G for that matter. Keep the trash for yourself, and go troll somewhere else.
Nepereta	Posted - 2005.11.26 00:02:00 - [103] Edited by: Nepereta on 26/11/2005 00:05:55 Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Coasterbrian But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves! Pets Olyyy "trolls" "fools"... Troll example: "you're so full of **" or "you guys are so full of crap" Other troll example: trolls You guys could at least be more imaginative when posting... ASCN leader "G are ****s!" member 1 "signed" member 2 "signed" member 3 "signed!" I dunno... try to show some passion (like on cyvok's alliance mails shrugs*) ? Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^ whatever, post with your main.
Rhodry Amarrian	Posted - 2005.11.26 00:09:00 - [104] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq If we take the conflict and compare attacker vs defender. When ASCN attacked G you were never close to contesting their space, you hung around their chokepoints most of the time in friggangs mostly. G is in the centre of you space and contesting systems and have moved in bigger guns than frigsize ones. I have seen both G and ascn pvp abilities and i have to say id trust G if they say they are doing good. Clearly you are not an ASCN fanboi. Anyway, to answer your points, the ASCN attacks in G space never had mor ethan about 30 ppl in a gang, usually more like about 10-15. They were supposed to be fast rolling gangs designed to give ppl some pvp experience and fun and pay G/IRON back for various incursions into ASCN space. Its like to compare chalk and cheese. Plus G/IRON can run back their POS to hide in the same way ASCN could run to empire - there is very little difference tbh on that score.
blahblah21	Posted - 2005.11.26 00:14:00 - [105] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Coasterbrian But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves! Pets Olyyy "trolls" "fools"... Troll example: "you're so full of **" or "you guys are so full of crap" Other troll example: trolls You guys could at least be more imaginative when posting... ASCN leader "G are ****s!" member 1 "signed" member 2 "signed" member 3 "signed!" I dunno... try to show some passion (like on cyvok's alliance mails shrugs*) ? Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^ is that a refresh forum macro? same waa waaa waaaa waa
Azeroth Uluntil	Posted - 2005.11.26 00:31:00 - [106] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: vladdy2 ok Goberth, fine you own us we die like flies whenever ASCN enter system, you are right we sux we should give up now cuz the VVO fight is indicative of every scrap we have ever had isnt it? we give up now, now you can stop quoting your killboard cuz you post ALL your losses there dont ya yes you win Where have I said we own you? All I said is, despite your superiority in battelship gangs, your skill in rolling frig/cruiser fleets is less than impressive and that is what can cripple an alliance - I have no said ASCN is better than you at roaming gangs - just that your not good enough with these to keep pressure on an alliance as a whole (read: messing with the carebears). Sorry if I typed killbaord numbers I didnt want to sound "smackish" and I apologize. Quite amusing to see this actually. 1. IRON members very rarely fly bs's as they are pointless to use against you guys, due to the fact that you do indeed only use small, cheap ships. The odd members that fly them tend to solo(idiots) and get ganked. 2. Quite hard to kill any of your bs's when they are never brought to an engagement against us anymore. 4. Back when you guys were up north engaging, we would chase your people right out of our space, getting the odd kill of one of your guys that either missed the warp, or was dumb enough to stick around... We stuck to cruisers and frigs, and engaged superior numbers, and won many times, and lost only on 2 occasions that I can remember. Even down here, recently, when we've engaged in light ships, you guys have taken heavy losses, with minimal kills... (If any) Granted, I haven't been able to come on in the last 3 days due to RL stuff, but I doubt much has changed.
Shazzra	Posted - 2005.11.26 00:34:00 - [107] Originally by: blahblah21 Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Coasterbrian But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves! Pets Olyyy "trolls" "fools"... Troll example: "you're so full of **" or "you guys are so full of crap" Other troll example: trolls You guys could at least be more imaginative when posting... ASCN leader "G are ****s!" member 1 "signed" member 2 "signed" member 3 "signed!" I dunno... try to show some passion (like on cyvok's alliance mails shrugs*) ? Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^ is that a refresh forum macro? same waa waaa waaaa waa hey, that 2 weeks u proposed are over, remember? time to reveal ur main i guess
blahblah21	Posted - 2005.11.26 00:36:00 - [108] Originally by: Shazzra Originally by: blahblah21 Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Coasterbrian But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves! Pets Olyyy "trolls" "fools"... Troll example: "you're so full of **" or "you guys are so full of crap" Other troll example: trolls You guys could at least be more imaginative when posting... ASCN leader "G are ****s!" member 1 "signed" member 2 "signed" member 3 "signed!" I dunno... try to show some passion (like on cyvok's alliance mails shrugs*) ? Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^ is that a refresh forum macro? same waa waaa waaaa waa hey, that 2 weeks u proposed are over, remember? time to reveal ur main i guess and you think its not over? lol
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2005.11.26 00:37:00 - [109] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You [G] and IRON guys should really stop ganging Burn Eden pilots... The disease is spreading through the ranks... I remember [G] as an alliance that can keep their mouths shut in local unless it's a nice props orso... Guess it all went overboard? Meh and stuff :) you're still playing ? I'm sure I can guess you nickname in an alternate universe... "waaghaa" Hey you crazy Frenchie :) Yeah, I play again-ish and stuff. Heard there was things to shoot, so playing around a bit again :) ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Shazzra	Posted - 2005.11.26 00:52:00 - [110] Edited by: Shazzra on 26/11/2005 00:52:42 Originally by: blahblah21 Originally by: Shazzra Originally by: blahblah21 Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Coasterbrian But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves! Pets Olyyy "trolls" "fools"... Troll example: "you're so full of **" or "you guys are so full of crap" Other troll example: trolls You guys could at least be more imaginative when posting... ASCN leader "G are ****s!" member 1 "signed" member 2 "signed" member 3 "signed!" I dunno... try to show some passion (like on cyvok's alliance mails shrugs*) ? Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^ is that a refresh forum macro? same waa waaa waaaa waa hey, that 2 weeks u proposed are over, remember? time to reveal ur main i guess and you think its not over? lol you said u will reveal it if ur opponents are still there. im not sure but i guess they are - according to ur own killboard. dont be a coward now and stand to ur word.
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2005.11.26 00:55:00 - [111] Edited by: Primer Xenius on 26/11/2005 00:55:53 To highlight some of the misinformation in the release... Quote: Beginning September 18th, ASCN launched an attack against "the north". Quote: The empire war ended any dreams of invasion and conquest for ASCN * ASCN never had intentions of taking G space. From what I heard it was purely a voluntary ops for bored pvpers. No one was even required to go there. Thus, there was no plan of invasion and conquest. Quote: On October 14th, [G] decided to end this campaign by declaring empire war on ASCN. The empire war ended any dreams of invasion and conquest for ASCN and lead to a humiliating defeat: After just two weeks, ASCN was forced to surrender on November 1st. * ASCN put up another outpost or two at this time. My guess is that the voluntary campaigners got recalled. The killboards show a clear downturn in activity up north, not losses. * I don't believe I ever read any official surrender post on these forums nor do I expects G to point one out to me. On the contrary, I did read posts of 'mutual respect' between ASCN and G, a +5 standing and than a sudden G offensive while G was blue to ASCN. Thus, there was no great victory or surrender, just betrayal. Wildcard, in the end, you will withdraw from ASCN space and that will be proof enough to all how utterly propagandistic your G press releases. Time will tell.
Thorsten Kabrinski	Posted - 2005.11.26 01:31:00 - [112] Originally by: Primer Xenius Time will tell. After filtering out all the nonsense, senseless or unproofen/unproofable postings from the whole thread this particular quote seems to be the only useful thing to write here. have a good night. hm....need a new sig :p
Goldar	Posted - 2005.11.26 01:58:00 - [113] This thread made me laff
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.11.26 02:00:00 - [114] Originally by: Primer Xenius Wildcard, in the end, you will withdraw from ASCN space and that will be proof enough to all how utterly propagandistic your G press releases. Time will tell. Tbh i think they will never leave ASCN, eventually they will setup in esoteria and stain for good and someone like ISS will show up and take over "their space". - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2005.11.26 02:10:00 - [115] dam i would love to fight G but tbh you have to give them so many advantages that really the best you can hope for in a fight against them is a draw. hey ho STAN FACTA NON VERBA ALTS FTL
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.11.26 02:30:00 - [116] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^ That's the attitude CCP wants on the forums. Remember? Passion in posts is bad, mmkay? Passion leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate leads to fear, and we know that is the path to the dark sideÖ -The CCP Mod Squad Motto Err.. maybe i got that wrong.. -Druid
Franky B	Posted - 2005.11.26 02:33:00 - [117] I love cheeky propoganda :P it works so well on the intended parties.
Imran	Posted - 2005.11.26 04:58:00 - [118] boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobies. ^^^^^^
Drakma	Posted - 2005.11.26 05:14:00 - [119] Originally by: Imran boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobies. ^^^^^^ I hate to say this, but I must agree with Imran. ^^
Sorja	Posted - 2005.11.26 06:19:00 - [120] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Sorja why are you posting propaganda? If you are that uber cant you just take ASCN down and show everyone how good you are by facts? We did. You can't even read your own killboards. Your 'northern campaign' shows 2048 kills (most of them being the carebears inhabiting Pure Blind) and 1871 losses. ASCN posts roughly 1 loss in 4, so it means when you are the attacker, you lose close to 4 times more than the defenders. Woah. Then, your IRON campaign, still on your killboards, you killed 277 ships and lost 388. According to the same inaccuracies of your boards, you probably lost FIVE times more ships than the defenders. Woah. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Sorja ... ASCN, they pretty much have the same state of mind than G/IRON which explains they were never seen as 'enemies' but rather like sparring partners. nope... not there either.... can't actually find anything about surrender or a humiliating defeat on our part in any of the old threads on the matter. You probably don't know but I was amongst the very few directors advocating for closer relationships with ASCN. I talked to Cyvok over your own TS when the terms of us getting back to the north were discussed, and what emerged from those convos is that Cyvok was making his pants wet if he had to do anything that would displease the other major powers. He didn't want to draw attention on ASCN and would have liked to remain EVE's Switzerland. In the end, while wanting to please everybody, he didn't gain any new friends, that was a very bad politic move of his, he should have just chilled and remained neutral instead of provoking (or not preventing, same stuff) the wrath of G/IRON. Now, your alliance is losing billions, on the battlefield and because nowhere in your space is safe anymore so people can't carebear like they used to. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig All I said is, despite your superiority in battelship gangs, your skill in rolling frig/cruiser fleets is less than impressive Dude, you really are looking stupid now. You get spanked every time when we fly light fleets, and we very often engage heavily outnumbered. The only battle I've lost in your space was when on of our light fleets engaged superior numbers and you brought tons of reinforcements including battleships during the battle. Which didn't matter at all since we were there to leeroy, but obviously you have no clue about fun If you need a clue, check this At the end of the day, what remains of this forum war is that ASCN doesn't want to have fun and plays an ultra-defensive blobbing war with lame tactics as drones out and whatnot. What amazes me is that you don't even realize we don't have the slighest interest in your space, we were down south for fun, only that, but even that seems out of your comprehension abilities. Instead of acknowledging he had screwed things big time, Cyvok went on an ego trip, probably thinking ASCN's military power would kick us out in hours. Heh, talk about realism. When Cyvok will realize (if ever) he's losing too much isk, I'm not even sure he will be accepted as a valuable spokesman anymore. You lost absolutely all credit you had, Cyvok's alliance mails only fool the fools and your forum campaign is nothing more than sand to the eyes. If we ever get out of there, it will be because we are bored of you, not because you can force us out. Now, I haven't played in over a week so maybe some things have changed, which I doubt. ____________________________________ Let's make the MK2 Moa a ship worth flying.

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