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Laqum	Posted - 2005.11.25 16:47:00 - [31] Guys please refrain yourselves, keep it clean.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.11.25 16:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Raid Originally by: Laythun well it looks like one side are trying to remain proffesional about the business in the south. i only hope the 'counter posts' are as abjective and structued as this Objective? are you joking? The whole post has a pro-g anti-south tone. Its their release they can do what they want with it but surely your using the wrong word here. Well at least thy not trolling around here. Of course every statement shows the opinion of the thread creator, but its a difference if you post "Rofl, omg lofl, so, pwn yo" or "I think you surrendered". The mood of creator of a thread/post is sometimes most interesting It just difficult to remain serious when people who just had an "embarassing time" on eve-o come out with an aggressive post that attempts to lie about something that happened just a few weeks ago :p - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Daemon Bourne	Posted - 2005.11.25 16:52:00 - [33] /emote hears the beginnings of the Beatle's "daydream believer" starting up in the background.
Kleric	Posted - 2005.11.25 16:55:00 - [34] So what is it that makes you think your winning the war against ASCN? ... --------------------------------------------- Everything i post is bull**** and in no way represent my corp or alliance.
Vegas	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:00:00 - [35] Originally by: Kleric So what is it that makes you think your winning the war against ASCN? ... I think the obvious point to look at is that the G statement is posted by a G member! And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt! Kind of a give away imo Quote: a) You were "boarding" your pod... which is admittedly rather silly since technically you never left it.
Christopher Multsanti	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:01:00 - [36] This is an interesting statement But I really would like the answer to the ASCN surrendering from some ASCN leadership in a constructive way. or clarification on a couple of points, such as: When the war ended with G was it decided then that G would have access and docking rights in your space or did that come later? Do you have access and docking rights in G space? Start Wearing Purple!
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:03:00 - [37] Originally by: Vegas And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt! Prove it. ---------- Originally by: riker to thebold first post w/ your main. Soft and Crunchy 4tw! \o/
Raid	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Vegas Originally by: Kleric So what is it that makes you think your winning the war against ASCN? ... I think the obvious point to look at is that the G statement is posted by a G member! And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt! Kind of a give away imo on is an alt post... the other is an official press release.. You see the difference right? One reflects the whole alliance the other reflects the mood of a single person possibly a carebear, no one really knows. -----------------------
Qellette	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:05:00 - [39] Did BoB turn you down when you asked for help writing press releases too?
SinBin	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Nafri I sense bad vibrations, maybe you want to try it with a group hug? I wanna group hug off you naf & weres that sig gone thats keeps me keen wile offline ?. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks

Quillan Rage	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:11:00 - [41] This looks like a job for .... Alastair Campbell!
Dark Matter	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:22:00 - [42] Wildcard, take some lessons from a true master of spin. Enjoy:)Link
SkaffenAmtiskaw	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:22:00 - [43] Needs more cutlery TBH. I'd give it a C- ______
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:37:00 - [44] Originally by: Raid Originally by: Vegas Originally by: Kleric So what is it that makes you think your winning the war against ASCN? ... I think the obvious point to look at is that the G statement is posted by a G member! And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt! Kind of a give away imo on is an alt post... the other is an official press release.. You see the difference right? One reflects the whole alliance the other reflects the mood of a single person possibly a carebear, no one really knows. quoted for truth - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Leno	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:40:00 - [45] Here let me put this as gently as I can... When Cyvok says "You're so full of crap..." that means this to me as someone not involved: We have nothing to refuit your claims and lack the maturity to at least say that this is their opinion, but we disagree. Heck, you wouldn't even need to explain why you disagree. Also, when you fight a fleet battle and G/IRON/RAZOR get like 38/3 kills to losses (or somewhere in that ballpark) while being outnumbered YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to say anything about winning/losing. If i were you guys ascn i know your proud and respectful of your alliance and any attack on it you reply with full force of not only ingame power but words as well, and i understand this as it is only human. However, you cannot hope to have a completly favorable outcome in this war if you do not remain objective. Your only chance is to admit defeat where it happens and accept that it is not that you have lost the war, but merely the battles. You guys must acknowlege that you are outclassed PvPwise when fighting G as to be honest everyone with the exception of BoB really and MAYBE the [5] on their best day is outclassed by [G] too. So this post i just now realized is not that coherent nor does it flow very well, but i hope that some of you learn and understand that to be the best is to admit you are not perfect and cannot dictate all outcome. Trust me, as an american who lived oversees i have heard this same speech more then once myself. --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Virtuozzo	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:43:00 - [46] Originally by: CYVOK You guys are so full of crap... Amen. Either that or I must have forgotten my schizofrenia meds for a while. Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
AnxietyAttack	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:45:00 - [47] I try not to get involved too much with politics ands such but that press release was ridiculous, bias, smokescreen propaganda. You guys are living on another planet since you were exposed in that chatlog. Your sa campaign went very well but i think the back patting and hand wringing has affected your judgement.People seem to forget its just a game sometimes, all the lies and bs start flying about and people forget to have a good time, thats what its all about.
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:46:00 - [48] Originally by: Leno Here let me put this as gently as I can... When Cyvok says "You're so full of crap..." that means this to me as someone not involved: We have nothing to refuit your claims and lack the maturity to at least say that this is their opinion, but we disagree. Heck, you wouldn't even need to explain why you disagree. Also, when you fight a fleet battle and G/IRON/RAZOR get like 38/3 kills to losses (or somewhere in that ballpark) while being outnumbered YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to say anything about winning/losing. If i were you guys ascn i know your proud and respectful of your alliance and any attack on it you reply with full force of not only ingame power but words as well, and i understand this as it is only human. However, you cannot hope to have a completly favorable outcome in this war if you do not remain objective. Your only chance is to admit defeat where it happens and accept that it is not that you have lost the war, but merely the battles. You guys must acknowlege that you are outclassed PvPwise when fighting G as to be honest everyone with the exception of BoB really and MAYBE the [5] on their best day is outclassed by [G] too. So this post i just now realized is not that coherent nor does it flow very well, but i hope that some of you learn and understand that to be the best is to admit you are not perfect and cannot dictate all outcome. Trust me, as an american who lived oversees i have heard this same speech more then once myself. Or it could mean that the entire "Press Release" is so full of lies and revisionist propaganda that all it really deserves in a response is "You're Full of Crap." As you said, you're not involved....
BlackSabbath	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:47:00 - [49] Edited by: BlackSabbath on 25/11/2005 17:48:13 38-3? i got a bridge to sell you. fact is G is getting spanked in azn on a daily bases. fun to watch their fleet commander log and just to see 20 other in local log 20 min later. no fun sitting at pos being outnumber every min of the day and night. best part is to gank someone ratting in c9n lol ================================ "i am only here to **** you off"
Leno	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Adhamhnon Originally by: Leno Here let me put this as gently as I can... When Cyvok says "You're so full of crap..." that means this to me as someone not involved: We have nothing to refuit your claims and lack the maturity to at least say that this is their opinion, but we disagree. Heck, you wouldn't even need to explain why you disagree. Also, when you fight a fleet battle and G/IRON/RAZOR get like 38/3 kills to losses (or somewhere in that ballpark) while being outnumbered YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to say anything about winning/losing. If i were you guys ascn i know your proud and respectful of your alliance and any attack on it you reply with full force of not only ingame power but words as well, and i understand this as it is only human. However, you cannot hope to have a completly favorable outcome in this war if you do not remain objective. Your only chance is to admit defeat where it happens and accept that it is not that you have lost the war, but merely the battles. You guys must acknowlege that you are outclassed PvPwise when fighting G as to be honest everyone with the exception of BoB really and MAYBE the [5] on their best day is outclassed by [G] too. So this post i just now realized is not that coherent nor does it flow very well, but i hope that some of you learn and understand that to be the best is to admit you are not perfect and cannot dictate all outcome. Trust me, as an american who lived oversees i have heard this same speech more then once myself. Or it could mean that the entire "Press Release" is so full of lies and revisionist propaganda that all it really deserves in a response is "You're Full of Crap." As you said, you're not involved.... I'm still curious as to how consistantly winning all the fleet battles makes them full of crap? --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend

Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:53:00 - [51] Originally by: Leno Originally by: Adhamhnon Originally by: Leno Here let me put this as gently as I can... When Cyvok says "You're so full of crap..." that means this to me as someone not involved: We have nothing to refuit your claims and lack the maturity to at least say that this is their opinion, but we disagree. Heck, you wouldn't even need to explain why you disagree. Also, when you fight a fleet battle and G/IRON/RAZOR get like 38/3 kills to losses (or somewhere in that ballpark) while being outnumbered YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to say anything about winning/losing. If i were you guys ascn i know your proud and respectful of your alliance and any attack on it you reply with full force of not only ingame power but words as well, and i understand this as it is only human. However, you cannot hope to have a completly favorable outcome in this war if you do not remain objective. Your only chance is to admit defeat where it happens and accept that it is not that you have lost the war, but merely the battles. You guys must acknowlege that you are outclassed PvPwise when fighting G as to be honest everyone with the exception of BoB really and MAYBE the [5] on their best day is outclassed by [G] too. So this post i just now realized is not that coherent nor does it flow very well, but i hope that some of you learn and understand that to be the best is to admit you are not perfect and cannot dictate all outcome. Trust me, as an american who lived oversees i have heard this same speech more then once myself. Or it could mean that the entire "Press Release" is so full of lies and revisionist propaganda that all it really deserves in a response is "You're Full of Crap." As you said, you're not involved.... I'm still curious as to how consistantly winning all the fleet battles makes them full of crap? You were at every battle and know this as truth? Or you read some G forum troll saying it's truth?
BlackSabbath	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:53:00 - [52] Originally by: Leno Originally by: Adhamhnon Originally by: Leno Here let me put this as gently as I can... When Cyvok says "You're so full of crap..." that means this to me as someone not involved: We have nothing to refuit your claims and lack the maturity to at least say that this is their opinion, but we disagree. Heck, you wouldn't even need to explain why you disagree. Also, when you fight a fleet battle and G/IRON/RAZOR get like 38/3 kills to losses (or somewhere in that ballpark) while being outnumbered YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to say anything about winning/losing. If i were you guys ascn i know your proud and respectful of your alliance and any attack on it you reply with full force of not only ingame power but words as well, and i understand this as it is only human. However, you cannot hope to have a completly favorable outcome in this war if you do not remain objective. Your only chance is to admit defeat where it happens and accept that it is not that you have lost the war, but merely the battles. You guys must acknowlege that you are outclassed PvPwise when fighting G as to be honest everyone with the exception of BoB really and MAYBE the [5] on their best day is outclassed by [G] too. So this post i just now realized is not that coherent nor does it flow very well, but i hope that some of you learn and understand that to be the best is to admit you are not perfect and cannot dictate all outcome. Trust me, as an american who lived oversees i have heard this same speech more then once myself. Or it could mean that the entire "Press Release" is so full of lies and revisionist propaganda that all it really deserves in a response is "You're Full of Crap." As you said, you're not involved.... I'm still curious as to how consistantly winning all the fleet battles makes them full of crap? bridge? ================================ "i am only here to **** you off"
Scout ForHire	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:53:00 - [53] I think most of you got it all wrong. The main issue here, is a bit of breakdown in communication within G alliance high command. Let me prove it: Following are communications within the G alliance intercepted by our spies: MEMORANDUM From: G high command To: G executives Next Thursday at 10:30 ASCN fleet will appear over C9. This is an event which occurs only once every 7 years. Notify all directors and have them arrange for pilots to assemble on in c9 and inform them of the occurrence of this phenomenon. If ASCN fleet doesn't show up, cancel fleet op and assemble in Fade and Cloud Ring, we will post links in alliance chat to a movie about our latest fleet victory. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MEMORANDUM From: G executives To: G corp CEO By order of the G high command, next Thursday at 10:30, ASCN fleet will appear over c9. If ASCN fleet doesn't show up, cancel all C9 op and report in Fade and Cloud Ring with all members where we will post links to a movie: a phenomenal event which occurs every 7 years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MEMORANDUM From: G corp CEO To: G directors By order of the phenomenal G high command, at 10:30 next Thursday, ASCN fleet will appear in Fade and Cloud Ring. If ASCN fleet doesn't show up, G executives will give another order, something which occurs only every 7 years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MEMORANDUM From: G directors To: G Fleet commanders Next Thursday at 10:30 G executives will appear in Fade and Cloud Ring with an ASCN fleet, something which occurs every 7 years. If the ASCN fleet doesn show up, G executives will order the cancellation of the ASCN alliance and order us all out to our phenomenal region, Fade and Cloud Ring. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MEMORANDUM From: G Fleet commanders To: All G members When THe ASCN fleet does not show up next Thursday at 10:30 in Fade and Cloud Ring, the phenomenal 7 year old G executive will cancel all operations and appear before all G members in in Fade and Cloud Ring accompanied by Cyvok and his command staff.
Lucre	Posted - 2005.11.25 17:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Qellette Did BoB turn you down when you asked for help writing press releases too? Class! Two simple and easy ways to tell who is winning this war. Go to Eve map and look at sovereignty of AZN, VNG, R97, UB5, 2-R, K-9 and 5P-A. (Oh, alright, and Z-N, 68FT and FR-B.) Go to Eve corp/alliances tab and check membership count of ASCN. Former are all still firmly in ASCN hands. Latter is rising. Anything else is irrelevant. G can rewrite history as much as they like. Geography and basic maths aren't so easy to fake.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.11.25 18:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Leno I have nothing to do with this story but have read some propaganda on eve-o forums so I assume I know the facts. All the macho pvp'ers fling poo at ASCN so I will do that myself in order to be recognized by everyone as a real man. I have also not read the original post well nor have knowledge of what the issue is about since I assumed the "surrender" is refering to the current fights and not to many weeks ago when G and ASCN napped. Nevertheless, I shall hit the "Post Reply" button - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Olimpia	Posted - 2005.11.25 18:08:00 - [56] Originally by: WildCard Regarding ASCN: Beginning September 18th, ASCN launched an attack against "the north". Their tactics in "Ze Northern Campaign" consisted mostly of harassing the residents with cheap ships in ECP-8R and jumping back to the safety of empire space whenever [G] formed a fleet to engage and destroy the invaders. On October 14th, [G] decided to end this campaign by declaring empire war on ASCN. The empire war ended any dreams of invasion and conquest for ASCN and lead to a humiliating defeat: After just two weeks, ASCN was forced to surrender on November 1st. As part of the terms of surrender [G] was granted the right to fly through and dock in ASCN claimed space. [G] used this to settle a score that was long overdue: 3 months ago Stain had staged an Invasion in Fade, and now [G] answered in kind. Stain-Alliance quickly dissolved and [G] was already planning their return to their own territory in Fade and Cloud Ring. We all were surprised by a PR move: ASCN tried to present themselves as victors and liberators of the south, tried to dictate [G] a timeframe for leaving the south and assembled a 100 battleship fleet a few jumps away from the [G] fleets. At the same time [G] knew that ASCN leadership prepared their alliance for an attack in the south, fleet orders were already issued in their pvp channels. Plans of returning home were quickly abandoned under this circumstances and the assault against ASCN began. Regarding "G-Desperate?": Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you take the time to count the activity in this forum, one might get a slight impression of whatÆs really going on down south. ASCN forum warriors are desperately (sic) trying to win a battle of words when they are loosing on the battlefield. Their forum presence only strenghtens our resolve to win the game where it is actually played. Meanwhile, [G] Alliance is determined to give the interested public an objective view of the real battle: We are proud to announce that shortly the [G] kill board will go live. It has always been [G] policy to report both kills and losses. It also includes the battle which was fought over AZN and made the official news. Hello Troll
Sorja	Posted - 2005.11.25 18:10:00 - [57] Originally by: Flipper slipper Please explain surrender... noone i know in ASCN knows anything about surrendering to you, the way i heard it is that they allowed you to retract an ill planned empire war :p The war was over in a few days. All ASCN forces were destroyed and the remains flew back to hidden retreats. IRON paid for 2 weeks of war in advance, one would have been enough. We expected ASCN finest PvPers to come help their rookies in Torrinos instead of what the order was given (or was it spontaneous?) for ASCN to retreat. I hope this helps you understand. Quote: Please explain how honorable G/IRON broke a NAP and started shooting at friendlies (blue) without a declaration of war IRON sent a war declaration to ASCN before engaging hostilities. Believing what your alliance mates write on the forums blindly only makes you look like a fool. True enough, we were replied 'Cyvok won't be online soon so we can't adjust our standings blah blah'; just ask yourself why there is ONLY ONE person in charge of your alliance. And if your reply is 'because he trusts no one else', we will agree, reading the ASCN forum campaign, who could Cyvok trust, really? Quote: Lastly please explain exactly what you achieved vs ASCN so far... from where im looking its nothing, but it would be nice to have your version too Tons of killmails? ____________________________________ Let's make the MK2 Moa a ship worth flying.
Orc A	Posted - 2005.11.25 18:11:00 - [58] "SA dissolved"? LoL. Must... Sell... Clue...
Foomanshoe	Posted - 2005.11.25 18:15:00 - [59] OMG Why cant anyone admit the truth. Your stuck in a stalemate in AZN and its turned into a war of attrition. Blobbers vs. Blobbers quickly turns to lag and no one wins. And yes, both sides are wise to turn to a propaganda war because moral will most likely determine the winner. You know what boosts moral best? winning even number fights. Why dont you guys stage a 10 vs 10 slug out? And then the winner can have bragging rights and we can stop listening to alts and "No you lie! we are kickin your ass" posts. _______________________________________________ Originally by: Oveur To the nerfmobile!
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2005.11.25 18:20:00 - [60] Okay now I have to say after reading the G Desperate thread among others. And reading this press release, it really does seem you are desperate. The only time people spin is to twist the facts in their favor when the facts are agaist them. (This is a fact that cant be denied, its one of the truths of the world, like death and taxes) And alot of the post is just outright lies. As it contradicts what many G/IRON have posted in other treads about this whole ordeal. If this is an attempt at damage control, I read it as doing just the opposite. But it is damn good drama



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