Originally by: Nepereta

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point me to the link where Cyvok publically surrendered? Surely as winners you would demand no less than this?

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Originally by: Laythun

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well it looks like one side are trying to remain proffesional about the business in the south. i only hope the 'counter posts' are as abjective and structued as this

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Originally by: Raid

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Originally by: Laythun

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well it looks like one side are trying to remain proffesional about the business in the south. i only hope the 'counter posts' are as abjective and structued as this

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Objective? are you joking? The whole post has a pro-g anti-south tone. Its their release they can do what they want with it but surely your using the wrong word here.

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Originally by: CYVOK

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You guys are so full of crap...

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Originally by: CYVOK

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You guys are so full of crap...

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Originally by: riker to thebold

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first post w/ your main.

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Originally by: CYVOK

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You guys are so full of crap...

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Raid

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Originally by: Laythun

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well it looks like one side are trying to remain proffesional about the business in the south. i only hope the 'counter posts' are as abjective and structued as this

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Objective? are you joking? The whole post has a pro-g anti-south tone. Its their release they can do what they want with it but surely your using the wrong word here.

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Well at least thy not trolling around here. Of course every statement shows the opinion of the thread creator, but its a difference if you post "Rofl, omg lofl, so, pwn yo" or "I think you surrendered".
The mood of creator of a thread/post is sometimes most interesting

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Originally by: Kleric

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So what is it that makes you think your winning the war against ASCN? ...

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a) You were "boarding" your pod... which is admittedly rather silly since technically you never left it.

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Originally by: Vegas

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And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt!

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Originally by: riker to thebold

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first post w/ your main.

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Originally by: Vegas

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Originally by: Kleric

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So what is it that makes you think your winning the war against ASCN? ...

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I think the obvious point to look at is that the G statement is posted by a G member!

And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt!

Kind of a give away imo

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Originally by: Nafri

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I sense bad vibrations, maybe you want to try it with a group hug?

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Originally by: Raid

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Originally by: Vegas

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Originally by: Kleric

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So what is it that makes you think your winning the war against ASCN? ...

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I think the obvious point to look at is that the G statement is posted by a G member!

And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt!

Kind of a give away imo

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on is an alt post... the other is an official press release.. You see the difference right? One reflects the whole alliance the other reflects the mood of a single person possibly a carebear, no one really knows.

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Originally by: CYVOK

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You guys are so full of crap...

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Originally by: Leno

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Here let me put this as gently as I can...

When Cyvok says "You're so full of crap..." that means this to me as someone not involved:

We have nothing to refuit your claims and lack the maturity to at least say that this is their opinion, but we disagree. Heck, you wouldn't even need to explain why you disagree.

Also, when you fight a fleet battle and G/IRON/RAZOR get like 38/3 kills to losses (or somewhere in that ballpark) while being outnumbered YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to say anything about winning/losing.

If i were you guys ascn i know your proud and respectful of your alliance and any attack on it you reply with full force of not only ingame power but words as well, and i understand this as it is only human. However, you cannot hope to have a completly favorable outcome in this war if you do not remain objective. Your only chance is to admit defeat where it happens and accept that it is not that you have lost the war, but merely the battles.

You guys must acknowlege that you are outclassed PvPwise when fighting G as to be honest everyone with the exception of BoB really and MAYBE the [5] on their best day is outclassed by [G] too. So this post i just now realized is not that coherent nor does it flow very well, but i hope that some of you learn and understand that to be the best is to admit you are not perfect and cannot dictate all outcome. Trust me, as an american who lived oversees i have heard this same speech more then once myself.

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Originally by: Adhamhnon

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Originally by: Leno

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Here let me put this as gently as I can...

When Cyvok says "You're so full of crap..." that means this to me as someone not involved:

We have nothing to refuit your claims and lack the maturity to at least say that this is their opinion, but we disagree. Heck, you wouldn't even need to explain why you disagree.

Also, when you fight a fleet battle and G/IRON/RAZOR get like 38/3 kills to losses (or somewhere in that ballpark) while being outnumbered YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to say anything about winning/losing.

If i were you guys ascn i know your proud and respectful of your alliance and any attack on it you reply with full force of not only ingame power but words as well, and i understand this as it is only human. However, you cannot hope to have a completly favorable outcome in this war if you do not remain objective. Your only chance is to admit defeat where it happens and accept that it is not that you have lost the war, but merely the battles.

You guys must acknowlege that you are outclassed PvPwise when fighting G as to be honest everyone with the exception of BoB really and MAYBE the [5] on their best day is outclassed by [G] too. So this post i just now realized is not that coherent nor does it flow very well, but i hope that some of you learn and understand that to be the best is to admit you are not perfect and cannot dictate all outcome. Trust me, as an american who lived oversees i have heard this same speech more then once myself.

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Or it could mean that the entire "Press Release" is so full of lies and revisionist propaganda that all it really deserves in a response is "You're Full of Crap." As you said, you're not involved....

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Originally by: Leno

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Originally by: Adhamhnon

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Originally by: Leno

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Here let me put this as gently as I can...

When Cyvok says "You're so full of crap..." that means this to me as someone not involved:

We have nothing to refuit your claims and lack the maturity to at least say that this is their opinion, but we disagree. Heck, you wouldn't even need to explain why you disagree.

Also, when you fight a fleet battle and G/IRON/RAZOR get like 38/3 kills to losses (or somewhere in that ballpark) while being outnumbered YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to say anything about winning/losing.

If i were you guys ascn i know your proud and respectful of your alliance and any attack on it you reply with full force of not only ingame power but words as well, and i understand this as it is only human. However, you cannot hope to have a completly favorable outcome in this war if you do not remain objective. Your only chance is to admit defeat where it happens and accept that it is not that you have lost the war, but merely the battles.

You guys must acknowlege that you are outclassed PvPwise when fighting G as to be honest everyone with the exception of BoB really and MAYBE the [5] on their best day is outclassed by [G] too. So this post i just now realized is not that coherent nor does it flow very well, but i hope that some of you learn and understand that to be the best is to admit you are not perfect and cannot dictate all outcome. Trust me, as an american who lived oversees i have heard this same speech more then once myself.

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Or it could mean that the entire "Press Release" is so full of lies and revisionist propaganda that all it really deserves in a response is "You're Full of Crap." As you said, you're not involved....

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I'm still curious as to how consistantly winning all the fleet battles makes them full of crap?

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Originally by: Leno

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Originally by: Adhamhnon

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Originally by: Leno

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Here let me put this as gently as I can...

When Cyvok says "You're so full of crap..." that means this to me as someone not involved:

We have nothing to refuit your claims and lack the maturity to at least say that this is their opinion, but we disagree. Heck, you wouldn't even need to explain why you disagree.

Also, when you fight a fleet battle and G/IRON/RAZOR get like 38/3 kills to losses (or somewhere in that ballpark) while being outnumbered YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to say anything about winning/losing.

If i were you guys ascn i know your proud and respectful of your alliance and any attack on it you reply with full force of not only ingame power but words as well, and i understand this as it is only human. However, you cannot hope to have a completly favorable outcome in this war if you do not remain objective. Your only chance is to admit defeat where it happens and accept that it is not that you have lost the war, but merely the battles.

You guys must acknowlege that you are outclassed PvPwise when fighting G as to be honest everyone with the exception of BoB really and MAYBE the [5] on their best day is outclassed by [G] too. So this post i just now realized is not that coherent nor does it flow very well, but i hope that some of you learn and understand that to be the best is to admit you are not perfect and cannot dictate all outcome. Trust me, as an american who lived oversees i have heard this same speech more then once myself.

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Or it could mean that the entire "Press Release" is so full of lies and revisionist propaganda that all it really deserves in a response is "You're Full of Crap." As you said, you're not involved....

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I'm still curious as to how consistantly winning all the fleet battles makes them full of crap?

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Originally by: Qellette

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Did BoB turn you down when you asked for help writing press releases too?

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Originally by: Leno

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I have nothing to do with this story but have read some propaganda on eve-o forums so I assume I know the facts.

All the macho pvp'ers fling poo at ASCN so I will do that myself in order to be recognized by everyone as a real man.

I have also not read the original post well nor have knowledge of what the issue is about since I assumed the "surrender" is refering to the current fights and not to many weeks ago when G and ASCN napped.

Nevertheless, I shall hit the "Post Reply" button

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Originally by: WildCard

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Regarding ASCN:
Beginning September 18th, ASCN launched an attack against "the north". Their tactics in "Ze Northern Campaign" consisted mostly of harassing the residents with cheap ships in ECP-8R and jumping back to the safety of empire space whenever [G] formed a fleet to engage and destroy the invaders. On October 14th, [G] decided to end this campaign by declaring empire war on ASCN. The empire war ended any dreams of invasion and conquest for ASCN and lead to a humiliating defeat: After just two weeks, ASCN was forced to surrender on November 1st.

As part of the terms of surrender [G] was granted the right to fly through and dock in ASCN claimed space. [G] used this to settle a score that was long overdue: 3 months ago Stain had staged an Invasion in Fade, and now [G] answered in kind. Stain-Alliance quickly dissolved and [G] was already planning their return to their own territory in Fade and Cloud Ring.
We all were surprised by a PR move: ASCN tried to present themselves as victors and liberators of the south, tried to dictate [G] a timeframe for leaving the south and assembled a 100 battleship fleet a few jumps away from the [G] fleets. At the same time [G] knew that ASCN leadership prepared their alliance for an attack in the south, fleet orders were already issued in their pvp channels. Plans of returning home were quickly abandoned under this circumstances and the assault against ASCN began.

Regarding "G-Desperate?":
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you take the time to count the activity in this forum, one might get a slight impression of whatÆs really going on down south. ASCN forum warriors are desperately (sic) trying to win a battle of words when they are loosing on the battlefield. Their forum presence only strenghtens our resolve to win the game where it is actually played.
Meanwhile, [G] Alliance is determined to give the interested public an objective view of the real battle: We are proud to announce that shortly the [G] kill board will go live. It has always been [G] policy to report both kills and losses. It also includes the battle which was fought over AZN and made the official news.

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Originally by: Flipper slipper

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Please explain surrender... noone i know in ASCN knows anything about surrendering to you, the way i heard it is that they allowed you to retract an ill planned empire war :p

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Please explain how honorable G/IRON broke a NAP and started shooting at friendlies (blue) without a declaration of war

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Lastly please explain exactly what you achieved vs ASCN so far... from where im looking its nothing, but it would be nice to have your version too

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Originally by: Oveur

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To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: Lucre

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Originally by: Qellette

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Did BoB turn you down when you asked for help writing press releases too?

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Class!

Two simple and easy ways to tell who is winning this war.

Go to Eve map and look at sovereignty of AZN, VNG, R97, UB5, 2-R, K-9 and 5P-A. (Oh, alright, and Z-N, 68FT and FR-B.)

Go to Eve corp/alliances tab and check membership count of ASCN.

Former are all still firmly in ASCN hands. Latter is rising. Anything else is irrelevant.

G can rewrite history as much as they like. Geography and basic maths aren't so easy to fake.

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Originally by: Sorja

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The war was over in a few days. All ASCN forces were destroyed and the remains flew back to hidden retreats.

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Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq

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If we take the conflict and compare attacker vs defender. When ASCN attacked G you were never close to contesting their space, you hung around their chokepoints most of the time in friggangs mostly. G is in the centre of you space and contesting systems and have moved in bigger guns than frigsize ones. I have seen both G and ascn pvp abilities and i have to say id trust G if they say they are doing good.

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Originally by: Bratzo

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This will be the only official statement from G's side to this issue so listen up, if your intrested anyway.

G does have ASCN set to +5. IRON does have ASCN set to +5. ASCN does have G and IRON set to +5.
To the reasons.
As many of you probably noticed G/IRON and ASCN have been having a go at each other for the last few weeks, counting the raids ASCN did into our space its been over a month even. Both of us came to the conklusion, that we've had our fun and we both have better things to do. The +5 standings are simply to show our respective pilots not to shoot at the other side anymore.

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Originally by: Sorja

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This thread is amazingly civil

I remember when MASS & Species invaded Fade (was it last spring? I guess so), we had lots of battles, they were very worthy opponents and I can't remember any word of smack.

The same goes for ASCN, they pretty much have the same state of mind than G/IRON which explains they were never seen as 'enemies' but rather like sparring partners.

I sincerely hope we'll all play the game in the future with the same 'good sport' mentality.

To all: have fun

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3. despite your cunning with battleship tactics, you strongly lack in the "roaming with light ships" department which is what can really put an alliance on it knees - but hey luckily for us no one is perfect... anyway if u sent some gangs outside azn a bit more often maybe I wudnt be forced to go north to find some non-blob fights -_-

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Originally by: Sypher313

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Goberth (sp? sorry

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3. despite your cunning with battleship tactics, you strongly lack in the "roaming with light ships" department which is what can really put an alliance on it knees - but hey luckily for us no one is perfect... anyway if u sent some gangs outside azn a bit more often maybe I wudnt be forced to go north to find some non-blob fights -_-

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we strongly lack in frig gangs? ok we'll see what we see dood.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Sypher313

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Goberth (sp? sorry

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3. despite your cunning with battleship tactics, you strongly lack in the "roaming with light ships" department which is what can really put an alliance on it knees - but hey luckily for us no one is perfect... anyway if u sent some gangs outside azn a bit more often maybe I wudnt be forced to go north to find some non-blob fights -_-

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we strongly lack in frig gangs? ok we'll see what we see dood.

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Yes - you dont do many of those and are below average at them (remember when u got spanked in vvo? 20 - 4 casualties on favor of ascn?).

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Sypher313

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Goberth (sp? sorry

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3. despite your cunning with battleship tactics, you strongly lack in the "roaming with light ships" department which is what can really put an alliance on it knees - but hey luckily for us no one is perfect... anyway if u sent some gangs outside azn a bit more often maybe I wudnt be forced to go north to find some non-blob fights -_-

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we strongly lack in frig gangs? ok we'll see what we see dood.

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Yes - you dont do many of those and are below average at them (remember when u got spanked in vvo? 20 - 4 casualties on favor of ascn?).

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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...You did get a lot of BS kill from us in those awfull lag engagements...

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Originally by: Nafri

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this thread are getting better and better everyday

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Originally by: Echo147

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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...You did get a lot of BS kill from us in those awfull lag engagements...

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Fear our cynosural anti-lag fitted ships

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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1. your very very good at fighting BS blobs engagements, much better than us

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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You are a troll

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Originally by: CYVOK

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You guys are so full of crap...

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Originally by: rowbin hod

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Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.

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Originally by: vladdy2

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ok Goberth, fine you own us we die like flies whenever ASCN enter system, you are right we sux we should give up now cuz the VVO fight is indicative of every scrap we have ever had isnt it?

we give up now, now you can stop quoting your killboard cuz you post ALL your losses there dont ya yes you win

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Originally by: Coasterbrian

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Originally by: Vegas

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And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt!

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Prove it.

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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You [G] and IRON guys should really stop ganging Burn Eden pilots... The disease is spreading through the ranks...

I remember [G] as an alliance that can keep their mouths shut in local unless it's a nice props orso... Guess it all went overboard?

Meh and stuff :)

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Originally by: Raid

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Originally by: Vegas

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Originally by: Kleric

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So what is it that makes you think your winning the war against ASCN? ...

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I think the obvious point to look at is that the G statement is posted by a G member!

And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt!

Kind of a give away imo

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on is an alt post... the other is an official press release.. You see the difference right? One reflects the whole alliance the other reflects the mood of a single person possibly a carebear, no one really knows.

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Originally by: Dao 2

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Originally by: Coasterbrian

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Originally by: Vegas

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And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt!

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Prove it.

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u saying that adds on so much more suspicion ;p not that there was much doubt before anyway :|

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go troll somewhere else.

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Originally by: Laythun

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well it looks like one side are trying to remain proffesional about the business in the south. i only hope the 'counter posts' are as abjective and structued as this

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Members of ASCN understood the positive standings between G and ASCN to be a "gentlemans agreement." We'd been fighting for a long time and it had never been personal or smack-filled so with growing respect it was agreed that we would set each other to +5 in two or three weeks when the empire wars ended.

blah blah blah, stuff happens, G accuire a base 2 jumps from ASCN space, and then they put up a POS on ASCN territory.

POS = personal now. ASCN didn't make claims on G space during our fights up north but things are obviously different in the south.

Theres no doubt G/IRON came out on top the first week of the invasion. ASCN had a terrible BS kill ratio. G set up a POS in our space. The whiners started crying ZOMG, the forum rats started laughing at ASCN getting "steamrolled," and ASCN members buckled down.

The second week of fighting saw a dramatically better BS kill ratio for ASCN and no gains for G/IRON. G was still pressing in AZN with BS fleets but they never did anything. They sat in a bubble warping to intercepters if someone forgot to use a bookmark to a gate.

Now its the same story. G and Iron make no gains. ASCN can not remove their POSes due to bugs. Fights are going both ways and the "invasion" has completely stopped. It's not a victory for ASCN at this point but it most certainly is not a victory for G and IRON either. We'll see what the next week or two bring but there won't be an easy victory over ASCN. Despite what the haters say we're in high spirits, we recognize the seriousness of the enemy POSes in our space but we're still having fun. G/IRON have accomplished very little since the big fleet battle in AZN so anybody who actually knows whats going on is going to say "What a load of crap" when reading this announcement.

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Originally by: riker to thebold

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first post w/ your main.

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Originally by: Coasterbrian

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But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves!

*Pets Olyyy*

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Originally by: Vandoras

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Originally by: Dao 2

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Originally by: Coasterbrian

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Originally by: Vegas

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And the G Desparate post is posted by a ASCN alt!

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Prove it.

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u saying that adds on so much more suspicion ;p not that there was much doubt before anyway :|

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then y post such a biased thread? ;pppppppp


Well let me just crush your statment to an all new time bottom. Maybe that`ll refrain you from posting such useless post in the future.
But just what the h*** do you accuse me for? I find it HIGHLY offensive that you claim me for being in line with ASCN, when i couldnt give a d*** in what happens to them, or G for that matter.
Keep the trash for yourself, and go troll somewhere else.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Coasterbrian

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But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves!

*Pets Olyyy*

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"trolls" "fools"...

Troll example: "you're so full of ****" or "you guys are so full of crap"
Other troll example: trolls

You guys could at least be more imaginative when posting...
ASCN leader "G are *******s!"
member 1 "signed"
member 2 "signed"
member 3 "signed!"

I dunno... try to show some passion (like on cyvok's alliance mails *shrugs*) ?
Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^

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Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq

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If we take the conflict and compare attacker vs defender. When ASCN attacked G you were never close to contesting their space, you hung around their chokepoints most of the time in friggangs mostly. G is in the centre of you space and contesting systems and have moved in bigger guns than frigsize ones. I have seen both G and ascn pvp abilities and i have to say id trust G if they say they are doing good.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Coasterbrian

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But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves!

*Pets Olyyy*

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"trolls" "fools"...

Troll example: "you're so full of ****" or "you guys are so full of crap"
Other troll example: trolls

You guys could at least be more imaginative when posting...
ASCN leader "G are *******s!"
member 1 "signed"
member 2 "signed"
member 3 "signed!"

I dunno... try to show some passion (like on cyvok's alliance mails *shrugs*) ?
Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: vladdy2

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ok Goberth, fine you own us we die like flies whenever ASCN enter system, you are right we sux we should give up now cuz the VVO fight is indicative of every scrap we have ever had isnt it?

we give up now, now you can stop quoting your killboard cuz you post ALL your losses there dont ya yes you win

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Where have I said we own you?

All I said is, despite your superiority in battelship gangs, your skill in rolling frig/cruiser fleets is less than impressive and that is what can cripple an alliance - I have no said ASCN is better than you at roaming gangs - just that your not good enough with these to keep pressure on an alliance as a whole (read: messing with the carebears).

Sorry if I typed killbaord numbers I didnt want to sound "smackish" and I apologize.

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Originally by: blahblah21

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Coasterbrian

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But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves!

*Pets Olyyy*

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"trolls" "fools"...

Troll example: "you're so full of ****" or "you guys are so full of crap"
Other troll example: trolls

You guys could at least be more imaginative when posting...
ASCN leader "G are *******s!"
member 1 "signed"
member 2 "signed"
member 3 "signed!"

I dunno... try to show some passion (like on cyvok's alliance mails *shrugs*) ?
Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^

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is that a refresh forum macro?

same waa waaa waaaa waa

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Originally by: Shazzra

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Originally by: blahblah21

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Coasterbrian

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But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves!

*Pets Olyyy*

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"trolls" "fools"...

Troll example: "you're so full of ****" or "you guys are so full of crap"
Other troll example: trolls

You guys could at least be more imaginative when posting...
ASCN leader "G are *******s!"
member 1 "signed"
member 2 "signed"
member 3 "signed!"

I dunno... try to show some passion (like on cyvok's alliance mails *shrugs*) ?
Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^

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is that a refresh forum macro?

same waa waaa waaaa waa

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hey, that 2 weeks u proposed are over, remember?

time to reveal ur main i guess

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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You [G] and IRON guys should really stop ganging Burn Eden pilots... The disease is spreading through the ranks...

I remember [G] as an alliance that can keep their mouths shut in local unless it's a nice props orso... Guess it all went overboard?

Meh and stuff :)

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you're still playing ?
I'm sure I can guess you nickname in an alternate universe... "waaghaa"

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Originally by: blahblah21

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Originally by: Shazzra

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Originally by: blahblah21

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Coasterbrian

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But I like to feed the trolls and watch them make fools of themselves!

*Pets Olyyy*

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"trolls" "fools"...

Troll example: "you're so full of ****" or "you guys are so full of crap"
Other troll example: trolls

You guys could at least be more imaginative when posting...
ASCN leader "G are *******s!"
member 1 "signed"
member 2 "signed"
member 3 "signed!"

I dunno... try to show some passion (like on cyvok's alliance mails *shrugs*) ?
Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^

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is that a refresh forum macro?

same waa waaa waaaa waa

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hey, that 2 weeks u proposed are over, remember?

time to reveal ur main i guess

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and you think its not over? lol

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Beginning September 18th, ASCN launched an attack against "the north".

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The empire war ended any dreams of invasion and conquest for ASCN

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On October 14th, [G] decided to end this campaign by declaring empire war on ASCN. The empire war ended any dreams of invasion and conquest for ASCN and lead to a humiliating defeat: After just two weeks, ASCN was forced to surrender on November 1st.

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Originally by: Primer Xenius

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Time will tell.

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Originally by: Primer Xenius

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Wildcard, in the end, you will withdraw from ASCN space and that will be proof enough to all how utterly propagandistic your G press releases. Time will tell.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^

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Originally by: Imran

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boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobies.

^^^^^^

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Sorja why are you posting propaganda? If you are that uber cant you just take ASCN down and show everyone how good you are by facts?

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Sorja

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... ASCN, they pretty much have the same state of mind than G/IRON which explains they were never seen as 'enemies' but rather like sparring partners.

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nope... not there either.... can't actually find anything about surrender or a humiliating defeat on our part in any of the old threads on the matter.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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All I said is, despite your superiority in battelship gangs, your skill in rolling frig/cruiser fleets is less than impressive

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Originally by: Sorja

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When Cyvok will realize (if ever) he's losing too much isk, I'm not even sure he will be accepted as a valuable spokesman anymore.
You lost absolutely all credit you had, Cyvok's alliance mails only fool the fools and your forum campaign is nothing more than sand to the eyes.
If we ever get out of there, it will be because we are bored of you, not because you can force us out.

Now, I haven't played in over a week so maybe some things have changed, which I doubt.

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Originally by: Sorja

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Sorja why are you posting propaganda? If you are that uber cant you just take ASCN down and show everyone how good you are by facts?

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We did.
You can't even read your own killboards.
Your 'northern campaign' shows 2048 kills (most of them being the carebears inhabiting Pure Blind) and 1871 losses.
ASCN posts roughly 1 loss in 4, so it means when you are the attacker, you lose close to 4 times more than the defenders.
Woah.

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Originally by: Sorja

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Then, your IRON campaign, still on your killboards, you killed 277 ships and lost 388.
According to the same inaccuracies of your boards, you probably lost FIVE times more ships than the defenders.
Woah.

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Originally by: Sorja

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At the end of the day, what remains of this forum war is that ASCN doesn't want to have fun and plays an ultra-defensive blobbing war with lame tactics as drones out and whatnot.

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Originally by: Sorja

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What amazes me is that you don't even realize we don't have the slighest interest in your space, we were down south for fun, only that, but even that seems out of your comprehension abilities.

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Originally by: Sorja

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Instead of acknowledging he had screwed things big time, Cyvok went on an ego trip, probably thinking ASCN's military power would kick us out in hours.
Heh, talk about realism.

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Originally by: Sorja

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When Cyvok will realize (if ever) he's losing too much isk, I'm not even sure he will be accepted as a valuable spokesman anymore.

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Originally by: Sorja

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You lost absolutely all credit you had, Cyvok's alliance mails only fool the fools and your forum campaign is nothing more than sand to the eyes.

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Originally by: Sorja

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If we ever get out of there, it will be because we are bored of you, not because you can force us out.

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Originally by: fire 59

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Sorja, wtf, do you guys have amnesia during the day. I constantly hear about intercepting this pod or that each and every day, so while you guys are hand wringing and making love to yourselves, just remember, for all your bragging and back patting, wtf have you achieved, kills, AND?????

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Originally by: Sorja

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You probably don't know but I was amongst the very few directors advocating for closer relationships with ASCN.
I talked to Cyvok over your own TS when the terms of us getting back to the north were discussed, and what emerged from those convos is that Cyvok was making his pants wet if he had to do anything that would displease the other major powers. He didn't want to draw attention on ASCN and would have liked to remain EVE's Switzerland. In the end, while wanting to please everybody, he didn't gain any new friends, that was a very bad politic move of his, he should have just chilled and remained neutral instead of provoking (or not preventing, same stuff) the wrath of G/IRON. Now, your alliance is losing billions, on the battlefield and because nowhere in your space is safe anymore so people can't carebear like they used to.

At the end of the day, what remains of this forum war is that ASCN doesn't want to have fun and plays an ultra-defensive blobbing war with lame tactics as drones out and whatnot.

Instead of acknowledging he had screwed things big time, Cyvok went on an ego trip, probably thinking ASCN's military power would kick us out in hours.
Heh, talk about realism.

When Cyvok will realize (if ever) he's losing too much isk, I'm not even sure he will be accepted as a valuable spokesman anymore.
You lost absolutely all credit you had, Cyvok's alliance mails only fool the fools and your forum campaign is nothing more than sand to the eyes.
If we ever get out of there, it will be because we are bored of you, not because you can force us out.

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Originally by: Imran

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boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobies.

^^^^^^

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Originally by: Nepereta

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whatever, post with your main.

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Originally by: blahblah21

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is that a refresh forum macro?

same waa waaa waaaa waa

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Originally by: KSUDruid

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Damn, ccp should give us back Jade before we all die of boredom here ^^

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That's the attitude CCP wants on the forums. Remember? Passion in posts is bad, mmkay?

Passion leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate leads to fear, and we know that is the path to the dark sideÖ -The CCP Mod Squad Motto

Err.. maybe i got that wrong..

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Originally by: turnschuh

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pure speculation, would be the same when I say ASCN posts roughly 1 win in 4

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Originally by: Sorja

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Now, your alliance is losing billions, on the battlefield and because nowhere in your space is safe anymore so people can't carebear like they used to.

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Originally by: Karmae

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Originally by: turnschuh

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pure speculation, would be the same when I say ASCN posts roughly 1 win in 4

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ASCN are extremely loathe to post their losses, even their PvP'ers seemed to 'forget' to do this regularly. Not all of them though. As for the 'farmers with pitchforks' loss posting; we saw virtually none of them ever going near a board to post a loss.

Funnily enough, there seemed to be a rush to post kills as soon as they achieved them though. Even in a fight where they killed something, only to lose their ship, once again the loss mail would be missing.

Turnschuh, it's human nature that some ASCN are reluctant to post their losses, but everyone wants to post a kill, don't they?

If ASCN relied upon their own killboard as a measure of success, would it be fair to assume that they have grossly misled themselves on their fleet capabilities?
I just done some quick checks on Razor vs ASCN stats and G vs ASCN stats, both alliances show approximately 7-1 kills for BS alone. For every single battleship kill they achieve, they lose seven. That is surefire way to haemorrage ISK in my opinion, and that makes a whole lot of mining for the 'worker bees' to replace.

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Originally by: Stealthbite

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And in the end we are the most united Alliance, with the most team work driven corps in the game.

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Originally by: Sorja

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You can't even read your own killboards.
Your 'northern campaign' shows 2048 kills (most of them being the carebears inhabiting Pure Blind) and 1871 losses.
ASCN posts roughly 1 loss in 4, so it means when you are the attacker, you lose close to 4 times more than the defenders.
Woah.

Then, your IRON campaign, still on your killboards, you killed 277 ships and lost 388.
According to the same inaccuracies of your boards, you probably lost FIVE times more ships than the defenders.
Woah.

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Originally by: Sorja

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When Cyvok will realize (if ever) he's losing too much isk, I'm not even sure he will be accepted as a valuable spokesman anymore.

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Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil

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ASCN don't post their losses because there is no point for them to do so. Remember, they get bounties for kills, and have no incentive to post losses. Nothing wrong with that, just rely on everyone elses board for killmails against ASCN.

IRON relies on an honor/honour system, in reguards to losses and killmails. We expect killmails to be posted, as well as loss mails. Of course, there are those who do not post their losses, either through forgetfullness, or not wanting to, but we try to keep as accurate a killboard as possible. Sometimes, however, it does take a day or two for it to be accurate, as some people log off after being killed.

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Originally by: turnschuh

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more like "fool the spys"
you dont even know what a "forum compaign" does look like (talk to Tribalwar for that info...)

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Originally by: Sorja

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Sorja why are you posting propaganda? If you are that uber cant you just take ASCN down and show everyone how good you are by facts?

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We did.
You can't even read your own killboards.
Your 'northern campaign' shows 2048 kills (most of them being the carebears inhabiting Pure Blind) and 1871 losses.
ASCN posts roughly 1 loss in 4, so it means when you are the attacker, you lose close to 4 times more than the defenders.
Woah.

Then, your IRON campaign, still on your killboards, you killed 277 ships and lost 388.
According to the same inaccuracies of your boards, you probably lost FIVE times more ships than the defenders.
Woah.

Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Sorja

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... ASCN, they pretty much have the same state of mind than G/IRON which explains they were never seen as 'enemies' but rather like sparring partners.

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nope... not there either.... can't actually find anything about surrender or a humiliating defeat on our part in any of the old threads on the matter.

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You probably don't know but I was amongst the very few directors advocating for closer relationships with ASCN.
I talked to Cyvok over your own TS when the terms of us getting back to the north were discussed, and what emerged from those convos is that Cyvok was making his pants wet if he had to do anything that would displease the other major powers.
He didn't want to draw attention on ASCN and would have liked to remain EVE's Switzerland.
In the end, while wanting to please everybody, he didn't gain any new friends, that was a very bad politic move of his, he should have just chilled and remained neutral instead of provoking (or not preventing, same stuff) the wrath of G/IRON.
Now, your alliance is losing billions, on the battlefield and because nowhere in your space is safe anymore so people can't carebear like they used to.

Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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All I said is, despite your superiority in battelship gangs, your skill in rolling frig/cruiser fleets is less than impressive

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Dude, you really are looking stupid now.
You get spanked every time when we fly light fleets, and we very often engage heavily outnumbered.
The only battle I've lost in your space was when on of our light fleets engaged superior numbers and you brought tons of reinforcements including battleships during the battle.
Which didn't matter at all since we were there to leeroy, but obviously you have no clue about fun
If you need a clue, check this

At the end of the day, what remains of this forum war is that ASCN doesn't want to have fun and plays an ultra-defensive blobbing war with lame tactics as drones out and whatnot.

What amazes me is that you don't even realize we don't have the slighest interest in your space, we were down south for fun, only that, but even that seems out of your comprehension abilities.

Instead of acknowledging he had screwed things big time, Cyvok went on an ego trip, probably thinking ASCN's military power would kick us out in hours.
Heh, talk about realism.

When Cyvok will realize (if ever) he's losing too much isk, I'm not even sure he will be accepted as a valuable spokesman anymore.
You lost absolutely all credit you had, Cyvok's alliance mails only fool the fools and your forum campaign is nothing more than sand to the eyes.
If we ever get out of there, it will be because we are bored of you, not because you can force us out.

Now, I haven't played in over a week so maybe some things have changed, which I doubt.

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Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil

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Edited by: Azeroth Uluntil on 26/11/2005 10:06:04
Edited by: Azeroth Uluntil on 26/11/2005 10:04:25
Idiots...

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Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil

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A GM modified a G tower, to make it invincible, despite having impartiality(and seemingly hatred) towards the north?(IE: Crap complex's, crap npcs, crap this, crap that...) Erm...

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Originally by: Noggy

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I love the way there is like 5 pages of ASCN beating their chests on how badly G are doing and how they are always winning the fights and as soon as killboards are mentioned they retreat into their "killboards arent important stance" hahaha class..

actually to all those saying that G are trolling go and scroll through all these pages and look at who really are the ones smacking and trolling. I dont see any G people posting do you? All I see is ascn ascn ascn ascn..

Seriously guys. My director only a month ago posted a kudos post to you guys saying how professional you have been behaving and how you have been doing so well not smacking in forums or when we fight. What happened? I have a lot of respect for ascn but lately you have been behaving like monkeys.

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Originally by: Adhamhnon

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Originally by: Noggy

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I love the way there is like 5 pages of ASCN beating their chests on how badly G are doing and how they are always winning the fights and as soon as killboards are mentioned they retreat into their "killboards arent important stance" hahaha class..

actually to all those saying that G are trolling go and scroll through all these pages and look at who really are the ones smacking and trolling. I dont see any G people posting do you? All I see is ascn ascn ascn ascn..

Seriously guys. My director only a month ago posted a kudos post to you guys saying how professional you have been behaving and how you have been doing so well not smacking in forums or when we fight. What happened? I have a lot of respect for ascn but lately you have been behaving like monkeys.

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Actually, the reason you don't see any [G] is because their IRON and RAZOR lapdogs seem to be doing all their smacking for them... 25 posts in 5 pages. Why do they need to defend their press release when they can just send you to do it right?

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Originally by: Jin'Roh

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all necessary from g side has been said with the press release and all whats left behind, are crying ascn members.
who can blame iron/razor for having fun with them?

jin

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Originally by: turnschuh

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you dont even know what a "forum compaign" does look like (talk to Tribalwar for that info...)

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Originally by: blahblah21

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Originally by: Sorja

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Sorja why are you posting propaganda? If you are that uber cant you just take ASCN down and show everyone how good you are by facts?

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We did.
You can't even read your own killboards.
Your 'northern campaign' shows 2048 kills (most of them being the carebears inhabiting Pure Blind) and 1871 losses.
ASCN posts roughly 1 loss in 4, so it means when you are the attacker, you lose close to 4 times more than the defenders.
Woah.

Then, your IRON campaign, still on your killboards, you killed 277 ships and lost 388.
According to the same inaccuracies of your boards, you probably lost FIVE times more ships than the defenders.
Woah.

Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Sorja

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... ASCN, they pretty much have the same state of mind than G/IRON which explains they were never seen as 'enemies' but rather like sparring partners.

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nope... not there either.... can't actually find anything about surrender or a humiliating defeat on our part in any of the old threads on the matter.

---

You probably don't know but I was amongst the very few directors advocating for closer relationships with ASCN.
I talked to Cyvok over your own TS when the terms of us getting back to the north were discussed, and what emerged from those convos is that Cyvok was making his pants wet if he had to do anything that would displease the other major powers.
He didn't want to draw attention on ASCN and would have liked to remain EVE's Switzerland.
In the end, while wanting to please everybody, he didn't gain any new friends, that was a very bad politic move of his, he should have just chilled and remained neutral instead of provoking (or not preventing, same stuff) the wrath of G/IRON.
Now, your alliance is losing billions, on the battlefield and because nowhere in your space is safe anymore so people can't carebear like they used to.

Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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All I said is, despite your superiority in battelship gangs, your skill in rolling frig/cruiser fleets is less than impressive

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Dude, you really are looking stupid now.
You get spanked every time when we fly light fleets, and we very often engage heavily outnumbered.
The only battle I've lost in your space was when on of our light fleets engaged superior numbers and you brought tons of reinforcements including battleships during the battle.
Which didn't matter at all since we were there to leeroy, but obviously you have no clue about fun
If you need a clue, check this

At the end of the day, what remains of this forum war is that ASCN doesn't want to have fun and plays an ultra-defensive blobbing war with lame tactics as drones out and whatnot.

What amazes me is that you don't even realize we don't have the slighest interest in your space, we were down south for fun, only that, but even that seems out of your comprehension abilities.

Instead of acknowledging he had screwed things big time, Cyvok went on an ego trip, probably thinking ASCN's military power would kick us out in hours.
Heh, talk about realism.

When Cyvok will realize (if ever) he's losing too much isk, I'm not even sure he will be accepted as a valuable spokesman anymore.
You lost absolutely all credit you had, Cyvok's alliance mails only fool the fools and your forum campaign is nothing more than sand to the eyes.
If we ever get out of there, it will be because we are bored of you, not because you can force us out.

Now, I haven't played in over a week so maybe some things have changed, which I doubt.

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"it might be a tumor"
"its not a tumaaa"

make your excuses now while you pack

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Originally by: riker to thebold

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first post w/ your main.

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Originally by: Code Four

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Originally by: turnschuh

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you dont even know what a "forum compaign" does look like (talk to Tribalwar for that info...)

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I don't think anybody wants to see gaping anuses on this board.

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Originally by: Zidock

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blah blah blah, we killed you, blah blah blah, they killed us, blah blah blah, some more smack, blah blah blah killboard inaccuracies, blah blah blah some more propaganda....

I cant beleive I waste hours of my life every week reading these forums lol

Lets all just stfu and go kill each other

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Originally by: Zidock

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blah blah blah, we killed you, blah blah blah, they killed us, blah blah blah, some more smack, blah blah blah killboard ina

Originally by: Imran

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K so the real question is

Big boobies and a regular face
OR
Plain boobies and a pretty face.



I go with option 3. Hast

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Originally by: Imran

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K so the real question is

Big boobies and a regular face
OR
Plain boobies and a pretty face.



I go with option 3. Hast

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actually I go with option 4: bigger than average boobies, pretty face and great legs.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Originally by: Imran

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K so the real question is

Big boobies and a regular face
OR
Plain boobies and a pretty face.



I go with option 3. Hast

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actually I go with option 4: bigger than average boobies, pretty face and great legs.

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I'll go for option 5: average girl after 3 pack of beer

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Originally by: Imran

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K so the real question is

Big boobies and a regular face
OR
Plain boobies and a pretty face.



I go with option 3. Hast

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Originally by: Adhamhnon

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Originally by: Noggy

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I love the way there is like 5 pages of ASCN beating their chests on how badly G are doing and how they are always winning the fights and as soon as killboards are mentioned they retreat into their "killboards arent important stance" hahaha class..

actually to all those saying that G are trolling go and scroll through all these pages and look at who really are the ones smacking and trolling. I dont see any G people posting do you? All I see is ascn ascn ascn ascn..

Seriously guys. My director only a month ago posted a kudos post to you guys saying how professional you have been behaving and how you have been doing so well not smacking in forums or when we fight. What happened? I have a lot of respect for ascn but lately you have been behaving like monkeys.

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Actually, the reason you don't see any [G] is because their IRON and RAZOR lapdogs seem to be doing all their smacking for them... 25 posts in 5 pages. Why do they need to defend their press release when they can just send you to do it right?

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Originally by: Buddrow

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not really sure wtf any IRON member is doing in this thread, as it has been completly derailed and is just a flamefest



try and stay out of this thread, its useless and is going no where.


we know where to fight the battle, and this is sure as hell not the place.

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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am

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Pressure means steady presence,tactical or numerical superiority to the point of disrupting enemy day to day activities (ie ppl won't undock to make money) and this all boils down to one thing,fear of getting killed.

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Originally by: NATMav

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Man, I figured we had derailed this thread enough to warrant a lock by now.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am

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Pressure means steady presence,tactical or numerical superiority to the point of disrupting enemy day to day activities (ie ppl won't undock to make money) and this all boils down to one thing,fear of getting killed.

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Thats the point, there is not such pressure atm due to timezones and very little roami- actually nevermind.

I have been forum whoring too much lately I am stopping here \o/




also, Imran ftw

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Originally by: NATMav

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Man, I figured we had derailed this thread enough to warrant a lock by now.

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Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic

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Originally by: NATMav

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Man, I figured we had derailed this thread enough to warrant a lock by now.

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We need Code4 to tell his katrina story to these schleps.

That should get the thread locked :D

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Originally by: WildCard

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[center]
..[G] Alliance is determined to give the interested public an objective view of the real battle.

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Originally by: Josclyn Verreuil

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-ASCN has engaged G PoS's and knocked down to enforced. As of now, all G PoS in ASCN space are in invulnerable bull*chirp* mode thus making ASCN quite literally, unable to even attempt to break the stalemate.

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Originally by: Josclyn Verreuil

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carebear land (R97 in particular)

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Quote:

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Originally by: Josclyn Verreuil
carebear land (R97 in particular)



Very Happy

Now i know why Painball goes there all the time!

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Originally by: Josclyn Verreuil

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Quote:

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Originally by: Josclyn Verreuil
carebear land (R97 in particular)



Very Happy

Now i know why Painball goes there all the time!

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I <3 Painball, he brings fun T2 goodies :)

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Originally by: Josclyn Verreuil

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Quote:

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Originally by: Josclyn Verreuil
carebear land (R97 in particular)



Very Happy

Now i know why Painball goes there all the time!

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I <3 Painball, he brings fun T2 goodies :)

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Indeed.
We keep wondering ourselves how the hell can he cope with the losses he makes down there

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Quote:

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hobbit loot. You mining domis drop alot of tech 2 cap recharges

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Originally by: Trooper B99

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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 28/11/2005 12:04:02
Sorry but mind if I ask a question to the ASCN members as to something I was thinking about after some of the older Xetic bits and bobs have been brought to the surface. Apologies if I have anything incorrect, I've not had my coffee yet.

How different do you view / What differences do you see between the [G]/ASCN initiated blue on blue attack which has started this current conflict compared to the (if I mind correctly) CLS initiated blue on blue attack which started the Xetic/[5] conflict?

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Originally by: Trooper B99

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Actually, I was just curious as, on the face of it, the incidents do have similarities, but also have differences and was wondering how ASCN members viewed the two. And possibly those members of the attacking alliances though of course they may have less knowledge of the Shinra hauler incident.

Besides, its good for discussion on a cold day.

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Originally by: Rhodry Amarrian

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Originally by: Trooper B99

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Actually, I was just curious as, on the face of it, the incidents do have similarities, but also have differences and was wondering how ASCN members viewed the two. And possibly those members of the attacking alliances though of course they may have less knowledge of the Shinra hauler incident.

Besides, its good for discussion on a cold day.

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I dont really see the similarities tbh.

XF/.5. was either (depending on who you believe) (a) a screw up which gave .5. the excuse they wanted to attack, which was going to happen sooner or later anyway, or (b) a massive conspiracy

G/IRON/ASCN was a cheap shot by some peeps who didn't like ASCN's manner.

Unless of course, all this is just another massive conspiracy and G/IRON/ASCN are not actually shooting each other at all and are faking all the killmails to lull there true enemies into a sense of false security before they spring there two pronged attack.....da da daaaaaaaa

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Originally by: Ripp Tyde

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Edited by: Ripp Tyde on 28/11/2005 18:41:01

Originally by: Rhodry Amarrian

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Originally by: Trooper B99

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Actually, I was just curious as, on the face of it, the incidents do have similarities, but also have differences and was wondering how ASCN members viewed the two. And possibly those members of the attacking alliances though of course they may have less knowledge of the Shinra hauler incident.

Besides, its good for discussion on a cold day.

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I dont really see the similarities tbh.

XF/.5. was either (depending on who you believe) (a) a screw up which gave .5. the excuse they wanted to attack, which was going to happen sooner or later anyway, or (b) a massive conspiracy

G/IRON/ASCN was a cheap shot by some peeps who didn't like ASCN's manner.

Unless of course, all this is just another massive conspiracy and G/IRON/ASCN are not actually shooting each other at all and are faking all the killmails to lull there true enemies into a sense of false security before they spring there two pronged attack.....da da daaaaaaaa

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Here is a simple answer for everyone.

Boy meets girl (G/IRON/RZR meet ASCN)
things go well over the first few weeks.
girl secretly is ploting how to get rid of boy.
Boy finds out and dumps her on her ass.
Girl cries - even thou she was ploting.

Moral of this analogy - It sucks to get dumped

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Originally by: Trooper B99

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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 28/11/2005 12:04:02
Sorry but mind if I ask a question to the ASCN members as to something I was thinking about after some of the older Xetic bits and bobs have been brought to the surface. Apologies if I have anything incorrect, I've not had my coffee yet.

How different do you view / What differences do you see between the [G]/ASCN initiated blue on blue attack which has started this current conflict compared to the (if I mind correctly) CLS initiated blue on blue attack which started the Xetic/[5] conflict?

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Originally by: Weebear

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You wouldn't think so though with some of the posts that still appear everyday

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Edited by: Grimpak on 28/11/2005 20:19:14

Originally by: Weebear

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You wouldn't think so though with some of the posts that still appear everyday

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stay tuned for tomorrow's new "WE HATE ASCN/ASDN/ANTS/HOBBITSES/THE YOUNGER BROTHER AND IT'S DOG SO MUCH THAT WE USE ALTS DO SAY SO" threads!

edit: <3 Imran

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Originally by: Karmae

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I go with option #227
It has a pulse.

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Originally by: Ripp Tyde

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Here is a simple answer for everyone.

Boy meets girl (G/IRON/RZR meet ASCN)
things go well over the first few weeks.
girl secretly is ploting how to get rid of boy.
Boy finds out and dumps her on her ass.
Girl cries - even thou she was ploting.

Moral of this analogy - It sucks to get dumped

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Originally by: riker to thebold

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first post w/ your main.

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Originally by: Kamui Shiro

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Only questions i have to ask to [G] is, WHY ONLY NOW DO YOU RELEASE INFO ABOUT A WAR THAT TOOK PLACE 2-3 MONTHS AGO? Is this some sort of propaganda tactic to repair your damaged superpower image?

quote]

G is losing badly - and their recruiting efforts are suffering because of it. This PR is a shallow attempt at making themselves look bigger than they really are.