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Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 903	Posted - 2013.06.26 19:59:00 - [31] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Mr Floydy wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point Even so, why take a Tengu over a double web armor Loki or an 18km scram Proteus to camp a gate unless you can't fly them? -I'm not saying it doesn't succeed because it's pretty obvious it does specially with friends pinning stuff for it but each single ship without a point or web or both camping that gate are close to useless but just KM hoaring, if they want to add real dps they should take a Talos instead. A double web Loki can be terrifying with its agility of a frigate and a good cruiser speed while armor tanked, dishes a very decent dps and selectable one on top without loosing any 10% uberness per level. A scram/diruptor Proteus without a single link can point stuff very far away, has a decent tank and mobility with 800 plates and when it gets on top of its target just melts it (gank fits not another snowflake/slaved eft fit). removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Deacon Abox Justified Chaos 126	Posted - 2013.06.26 20:45:00 - [32] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Mr Floydy wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point Pretty sure that some nullsec entities use Tengus because 84k kills on this list http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 don't come from solo dudes in officer fit tengus (of course with an offgrid tengu booster). Nullsec blobs are all about outsourced tackling as well.
Cage Man 237	Posted - 2013.06.27 00:45:00 - [33] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. That's what tacklers and in null bubblers are for. The thick plottens...
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 280	Posted - 2013.06.27 02:20:00 - [34] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Mr Floydy wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point I do, all of the time, we usually have a couple webber lokis and point proteus to do the pointing for us. If you are going to fly a ship with at most 70km for range into the middle of 130 pulsepocs, losing tank for a point is pretty much out of the question.
Tsukino Stareine Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 413	Posted - 2013.06.27 02:33:00 - [35] - Quote ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 280	Posted - 2013.06.27 03:12:00 - [36] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway. Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors. On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu.
Bloody Wench 599	Posted - 2013.06.27 12:44:00 - [37] - Quote I'm not seeing it, at least not for PVP purposes, you start putting CNBC on it and deadspace/faction hardeners and it just gets expensive fast. No prop mod..it's kinda rubbish. You can drop the Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction and put on a ABII it fits and you no longer need the 1% PG but takes the EHP down to 113K. [Tengu, Requested] Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 6x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile) Large Shield Extender II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Warp Disruptor II 3x Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Medium Ancillary Current Router II 2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Will require 1% PG implant No other implants installed currently Effective HP: 148,954 Tank Ability: 185.47 DPS Capacitor (Stable at 53.66%) DPS: 749.77 Support a High Resolution Texture Pack
Tsukino Stareine Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 415	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:09:00 - [38] - Quote Onictus wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway. Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors. On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu. how does a dictor help in high/low, it can only point as many people as it has disruptors.
Deacon Abox Justified Chaos 129	Posted - 2013.06.27 16:46:00 - [39] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Onictus wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway. Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors. On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu. how does a dictor help in high/low, it can only point as many people as it has disruptors. Yeah and so do Arazu/Lach , and ceptors, so what is your problem? Any gang can decide and some often do decide to fit for specific roles not for multi purpose. Tengu pilots are probably more risk adverse with their shiney and would readily not sacrifice tank in their mids while loading the lows with damage mods (since this is easy to do with a shield tanker), and would instead be happy to outsource the tackling role. Some people have posted fits that approximate the posted stats the OP was asking about. You said these people should be fitting a point. Multiple people have responded that this is not necessarily so, and why. Sorry that you can't accept your point was not necessary.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 905	Posted - 2013.06.27 23:55:00 - [40] - Quote Bloody Wench wrote: I'm not seeing it, at least not for PVP purposes, you start putting CNBC on it and deadspace/faction hardeners and it just gets expensive fast. No prop mod..it's kinda rubbish. You can drop the Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction and put on a ABII it fits and you no longer need the 1% PG but takes the EHP down to 113K. [Tengu, Requested] Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 6x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile) Large Shield Extender II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Warp Disruptor II 3x Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Medium Ancillary Current Router II 2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Will require 1% PG implant No other implants installed currently Effective HP: 148,954 Tank Ability: 185.47 DPS Capacitor (Stable at 53.66%) DPS: 749.77 You're not going anywhere without a prop mod removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 282	Posted - 2013.06.28 01:46:00 - [41] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Mr Floydy wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point ........ummmmmm We fly them two fleets at a time just FYI. Most null blocks have some form of Tengu doctrine
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 282	Posted - 2013.06.28 01:51:00 - [42] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Onictus wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway. Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors. On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu. how does a dictor help in high/low, it can only point as many people as it has disruptors. No but any other bait ship does. You aren't using shield T3s in hi-sec wars, that is the providence of the God-tanked slave clone Protues. In low certainly, because if you are commiting tengus you can commit something with a point to go with. The old solo PvP bild was a 100mn AB faction fit HML with a loki booster.....basically anything that could catch was meat. It also got its teeth pulled bigger than hell when they nerfed the HMLs 5 HLMs is stuck right around 350dps without 300mil in faction ballistic controls....so that is out. I've only seen one since the nerf and I pinned it with a bomber long enough that a fleet could catch up and kill it.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 10425	Posted - 2013.06.28 14:27:00 - [43] - Quote Onictus wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: Mr Floydy wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point ........ummmmmm We fly them two fleets at a time just FYI. Most null blocks have some form of Tengu doctrine http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 Trust me it, the Tengu didn't get that high with out some relatively serious null usage. Look at the Caracal off all things, that is pure CFC using them for frigging everything. I wish that there were loss numbers on the top 20, because we have been blowing up three or four 200 man fleets of them a day. Most nullblocs had some kind of Tengu doctrine. The new Apocs, Geddons and Domis now make the battlefield an extremely unhealthy place for medium ships. 1 Kings 12:11
Ciyrine Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:06:00 - [44] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Onictus wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: Mr Floydy wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point ........ummmmmm We fly them two fleets at a time just FYI. Most null blocks have some form of Tengu doctrine http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 Trust me it, the Tengu didn't get that high with out some relatively serious null usage. Look at the Caracal off all things, that is pure CFC using them for frigging everything. I wish that there were loss numbers on the top 20, because we have been blowing up three or four 200 man fleets of them a day. Most nullblocs had some kind of Tengu doctrine. The new Apocs, Geddons and Domis now make the battlefield an extremely unhealthy place for medium ships. Why is it specifically unhealthy for medium ships?
Voyager Arran GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:12:00 - [45] - Quote Ciyrine wrote: Malcanis wrote: Most nullblocs had some kind of Tengu doctrine. The new Apocs, Geddons and Domis now make the battlefield an extremely unhealthy place for medium ships. Why is it specifically unhealthy for medium ships? 40km Neut Ranges are bad news for HAM Tengus, since it means your afterburner and all your hardeners turn off and now you've now got tracking Apocs shooting into your 0% EM resistance because you're a dumb goon that didn't swap one of his hardeners to passive when the FC told you to. Lokis are still doing fine, though, since they outrange the neuts and have hilariously high resists against lasers.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 39	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:22:00 - [46] - Quote No links or implants, but also no point. At least it has a prop mod...XD [Tengu, 700/200] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Dread Guristas EM Ward Field Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening 712/838 DPS, 202/262k EHP omni. Although a fun exercise, I wouldn't really recommend using this unless in a fleet..C:
Ciyrine Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:45:00 - [47] - Quote Bertrand Butler wrote: No links or implants, but also no point. At least it has a prop mod...XD [Tengu, 700*200] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Dread Guristas EM Ward Field Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening 712/838 DPS, 202/262k EHP omni. Although a fun exercise, I wouldn't really recommend using this unless in a fleet..C: why wouldnt you recomend using it unless in a fleet?
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 419	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:52:00 - [48] - Quote no he said he wouldnt use it UNLESS he is in a fleet
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 39	Posted - 2013.06.30 15:10:00 - [49] - Quote Ciyrine, what I mean is that the loadout I posted is a fleet ship, thats why it has an afterburner and no point. In a small gang or solo, you are better off with an active tanked ship that does more DPS and uses a MWD (or a 100MN afterburner in some cases) to dictate range when kiting with a warp disruptor.
Ciyrine Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.06.30 17:04:00 - [50] - Quote Bertrand Butler wrote: Ciyrine, what I mean is that the loadout I posted is a fleet ship, thats why it has an afterburner and no point. In a small gang or solo, you are better off with an active tanked ship that does more DPS and uses a MWD (or a 100MN afterburner in some cases) to dictate range when kiting with a warp disruptor. Thats interesting. i got impression from people that when it comes to any kind of pvp solo all the way to fleet shield/armor extenders are better than shield/armor repairers. that when you start taking damage your dead too fast for repair to matter why AB in fleet but MWD in small/solo pvp?
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 40	Posted - 2013.06.30 18:17:00 - [51] - Quote Quote: Thats interesting. i got impression from people that when it comes to any kind of pvp solo all the way to fleet shield/armor extenders are better than shield/armor repairers. that when you start taking damage your dead too fast for repair to matter No, the difference is another one. When in fleet, you rely mostly in friendly logistics to survive, so the more EHP you have the better. In small gang and solo PvP, you can go either straight buffer, hybrid buffer or active tanking (and in some restricted situations even passive tanking), according to the application at hand. Quote: why AB in fleet but MWD in small/solo pvp? When a grunt in the DPS part of a fleet, you are supposed to stay in line and maneuver with the rest of the fleet. Speed and position is defined by your FC, not strictly from your hull capabilities. In sg or solo PvP, the more speed you have the better you can adapt to different battle situations. Range dictation, kiting and ambush depend more on you, than on others. Of course, this again depends on the situation and hull at hand.
stup idity 24	Posted - 2013.07.02 10:21:00 - [52] - Quote both fits have almost exactly 700dps and 200k ehp (with averaged resists, not worst case). skills all 5, no implants, passive booster only. price tag should be around 550 million. Personally, I like the second one better, for style and more attention on the eventual killmail. [Tengu, tengu3] Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 5x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile) 2x Large Shield Extender II 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I EM Ward Field II 3x Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II [Tengu, tengu4] Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 6x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Void M) 2x Large Shield Extender II 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II I reign supreme.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 919	Posted - 2013.07.02 10:56:00 - [53] - Quote stup idity wrote: [Tengu, tengu4] Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 6x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Void M) 2x Large Shield Extender II 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Zdat one is awesome, blasterGu best Tengu removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Ciyrine Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2013.07.02 21:12:00 - [54] - Quote whats the advantage of the blaster vs ham tengu?
stup idity 24	Posted - 2013.07.02 21:28:00 - [55] - Quote Ciyrine wrote: whats the advantage of the blaster vs ham tengu? This: stup idity wrote: Personally, I like the second one better, for style and more attention on the eventual killmail. Of course you could do a detailed in-depth analysis of both weapon systems, but: those blasters have around one fourth of ham range and use cap while doing the same damage with 6 instead of 5 weapons. Not worth taking another look at until the according subsystems might be rebalanced somewhere in the future. I reign supreme.
Ciyrine Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2013.07.02 22:07:00 - [56] - Quote i was thinking the blasters might have better tracking and damage application against faster/smaller sig targets. Making them more effective at destroying a wider range of targets
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 431	Posted - 2013.07.02 22:35:00 - [57] - Quote since tengu has no bonus to medium hybrid tracking: no it wont.
Ciyrine Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:29:00 - [58] - Quote since i cant test in sisi I use EFT to try and see how things look. The Beam tengu does better damage against small/fast targets than the missile versions. BUT is there a reason EFT would be showing the beam tengu taking more damage from missiles than the missile tengu? they have the same signature/speed
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:52:00 - [59] - Quote beam.... tengu?
Ciyrine Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2013.07.03 02:31:00 - [60] - Quote let me try again. heavy neutron blaster. If thats not a beam my apologies

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