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Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:42:00 -
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Was reading topic someone said they prefered their tengu that did this. But disnt post a fit. Of the fits ive looked up i havent seen one that does this. And is there a database of shipbuilds i can look for such things? |

Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
298
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:49:00 -
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Have you loaded EFT yet? Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.25 19:10:00 -
[3] - Quote
Yes. Does it have a access to database of fits? |

Hakaimono
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
161
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Posted - 2013.06.25 19:12:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:Yes. Does it have a access to database of fits? Experiment with it to get an understanding of what stats you can get from it. Hint: HAMs |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1330
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Posted - 2013.06.25 19:43:00 -
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Six HAMs with Scourge Rage and 4 CN BCUs. Accelerated Ejection Bay, naturally. Fit a tank around that. Rig for range. |

Baren
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
18
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Posted - 2013.06.25 19:57:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:Was reading topic someone said they prefered their tengu that did this. But disnt post a fit. Of the fits ive looked up i havent seen one that does this. And is there a database of shipbuilds i can look for such things?
Did links or boosters ever come to mind. |

Whitehound
1472
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:04:00 -
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696 DPS, 205k eHP, 293 HP/s recharge, stable at 61% (overheat: 819 DPS, 259k eHP, 373 HP/s recharge).
All T2 except for one C-Type Adpt. Inv. Field. No implants, no boosters, no fleet bonuses.
[Tengu]
Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile [Empty High slot]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Grandma Squirel
Squirel Enterprises
17
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:03:00 -
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The question is always how pimp your allowed to go... 201k ehp with tengu links, 1250m/s, 775 dps. Only deadspace module is 75m. Not very good cap stability on MWD, but better then no prop mod.
High power 6x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Medium power 1x Pith C-Type EM Ward Field 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 1x Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I 2x Large Shield Extender II
Low power 1x Damage Control II 2x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System 1x Reactor Control Unit II
Rig Slot 1x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II 1x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II 1x Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Sub System 1x Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer 1x Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening 1x Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir 1x Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 1x Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Implants EG-603 SM-706
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
2054
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:16:00 -
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EFT seems to be a dying art...
this is as close as I could get:
Quote:[Tengu, Test] Damage Control II Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Hakim's Modified Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pithum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
700dps 200,575ehp
PS: those figures are stupid easy to get higher than... lrn2fit |

Grandma Squirel
Squirel Enterprises
17
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:28:00 -
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Use officer mods in EFT... tell others lrn2fit... gg |

Hakaimono
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
161
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:42:00 -
[11] - Quote
Grandma Squirel wrote:Use officer mods in EFT... tell others lrn2fit... gg He was trying to be exact. |

Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
2054
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:46:00 -
[12] - Quote
Grandma Squirel wrote:Use officer mods in EFT... tell others lrn2fit... gg well you clearly missed what I was going for. that's ok ;) you need implants if you want to T2 fit it for 700+ dps and 200+ k ehp, or like 2 faction mods. given the simplicity and irrelevance of the given task, I decided to make a fit that was as close to 700dps and 200k ehp as i could get. getting exactly 700dps without officer mods seemed impossible with 4 damage mods (in hind sight, i could have looked at using 5 damage mods). ehp was never going to be exactly 200k so i accepted 575 over as close enough. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
902
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Posted - 2013.06.26 12:08:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:Was reading topic someone said they prefered their tengu that did this. But disnt post a fit. Of the fits ive looked up i havent seen one that does this. And is there a database of shipbuilds i can look for such things?
Because it's simply impossible without Links implants combat boosters and titan bonus or a special snowflake fit working under very specific circumstances that those players forget intentionally to bring to our knowledge.
A solo player with the bulkiest effective Tengu fit will get at best without specific implants boosters and whatnot a simple 50k EHP +/- Tengu with the best possible dps.
A fleet Tengu if you look at the fit you can probably laugh at it and ask if it's not a noob or a kid that build it, but it's done for a specific purpose under specific circumstances and no they will not get 200k EHP without several links/boosts and whatnot which on it's own it's a lie since links are the main cause of so much incomprehension, silliness and completely OP fits. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
902
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Posted - 2013.06.26 12:13:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Grandma Squirel wrote:Use officer mods in EFT... tell others lrn2fit... gg well you clearly missed what I was going for. that's ok ;) you need implants if you want to T2 fit it for 700+ dps and 200+ k ehp, or like 2 faction mods. given the simplicity and irrelevance of the given task, I decided to make a fit that was as close to 700dps and 200k ehp as i could get. getting exactly 700dps without officer mods seemed impossible with 4 damage mods (in hind sight, i could have looked at using 5 damage mods). ehp was never going to be exactly 200k so i accepted 575 over as close enough.
With 4 simple T2 BCU's and HA spec at 4 only it's 850 dps, 800 with 3 T2 BCU's no dmg increase implants or rigs.
A T2 fitted Tengu you can't get 200K EHP out of nowhere, it's impossible without the addition of several bad implemented stupid mechanics. The problem is not the Tengu or the faction mods you put in to gimp it, the problem is links and how OP those are. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
902
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Posted - 2013.06.26 12:18:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:EFT seems to be a dying art... this is as close as I could get: Quote:[Tengu, Test] Damage Control II Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Hakim's Modified Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pithum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay 700dps 200,575ehp PS: those figures are stupid easy to get higher than... lrn2fit
Why I don't kills on any Tengu fitted with such uberness?? -it's not because EFT says it's possible that it's something to do, do you fly often 800K++ EHP proteus?
NO? -Why so if they're so awesome?
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:45:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Jack Miton wrote:EFT seems to be a dying art... this is as close as I could get: Quote:[Tengu, Test] Damage Control II Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Hakim's Modified Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pithum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay 700dps 200,575ehp PS: those figures are stupid easy to get higher than... lrn2fit Why I don't kills on any Tengu fitted with such uberness?? -it's not because EFT says it's possible that it's something to do, do you fly often 800K++ EHP proteus? NO? -Why so if they're so awesome?
so what if you drop the officer mods and lose some of the DPS/ehp something close to 700dps/200kehp sounds good. Any reason why peopl dont fly ships with stats in that ballpark?
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
69
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:03:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Ciyrine wrote:Was reading topic someone said they prefered their tengu that did this. But disnt post a fit. Of the fits ive looked up i havent seen one that does this. And is there a database of shipbuilds i can look for such things? Because it's simply impossible without Links implants combat boosters and titan bonus or a special snowflake (see fits above to see what a snowflake fit is) working under very specific circumstances that those players forget intentionally to bring to our knowledge.
You must be really bad. It's very possible to go well over the mentioned dps/ehp figures with just a t2 fit (T2 rigs are definitely not out of place of a t3...
In a fleet (no booster), it is is over 200k ehp before any overloading and deals 770dps before overloading and implants... By t3 standards it's ANYTHING but pimped. Fits four times are expensive are killed in WH every days.
[Tengu, 700dps-200k] Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Ciyrine wrote:Any reason why peopl dont fly ships with stats in that ballpark?
Because they fly much better mostly. |

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
412
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:15:00 -
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fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. |

Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
69
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:18:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.
When did the OP said PvP? 90% of Tengus must be PvE anyway.
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Whitehound
1478
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:05:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:Any reason why peopl dont fly ships with stats in that ballpark? For PvE can one fit target painters and webs and does not need all that much eHP. For solo PvP will you want to give up a mid-slot to fit at least a warp disruptor or a scrambler and for fleets will you be aiming for high resistances, because you will have logistics with you. Once you get caught does it not matter all that much how much eHP you have. 200k eHP is a lot, but it is also about the eHP of a freighter. Then see what happens to freighters in high-sec. It does not really help when people want to pop you and really try.
The 200k eHP should have about ~300 eHP/s for recharge with 700 eHP/s as peak, I think. This is not all that impressive. For comparison, a dual repping Legion or Proteus can absorb 700 eHP/s omni damage. While the Tengu produces 700 DPS here is this really only because of its kinetic missile damage bonus. For all other damage types does it only do 560 DPS. Dual repping T3s will do around 600 DPS and should come about even with the Tengu. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
413
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:11:00 -
[21] - Quote
Caius Sivaris wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. When did the OP said PvP? 90% of Tengus must be PvE anyway.
why would you care about ehp on a pve tengu? |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.26 18:17:00 -
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Its for pvp |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1366
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Posted - 2013.06.26 18:20:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:Its for pvp
Man, I need to run a Locator on you...  "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |

Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
70
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Posted - 2013.06.26 18:50:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Caius Sivaris wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. When did the OP said PvP? 90% of Tengus must be PvE anyway. why would you care about ehp on a pve tengu?
Because sleepers/some plexes can have nasty alpha? The guy is posting non nonsensical question after non nonsensical question anyway, and all he got to show for his time in EVE is a badly fit Caracal loss in Rancer. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
903
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Posted - 2013.06.26 18:58:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.
To counter an argument it's easy, pick EFT sort the dumbest thing you can to prove your point and that's it.
I have yet to be told to fly such crap the guy will get a finger. Snowflakes nothing but snowflakes.
Because of course I always fly in null sec without a point and web, My Tengu webs and scrams pilots down just by the sight of it...
Silly people... *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:04:00 -
[26] - Quote
Caius Sivaris wrote:
Because sleepers/some plexes can have nasty alpha? The guy is posting non nonsensical question after non nonsensical question anyway, and all he got to show for his time in EVE is a badly fit Caracal loss in Rancer.
We cant all be as pro as u after 2 mos of playing. I played for a month 3 years ago. One of the 90% of new players who doesnt stick with the game. The other 10% being alts or real life friends that get spoon fed and quit further down the line.
When i came back into the game i accidentally bought a skill book in .4 and lost the caracal trying to grab it. Glad to see uve joined my fan club and will be following my career though. Long story short. Go f*** yourself |

Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
107
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:09:00 -
[27] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.
Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) |

Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
70
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:11:00 -
[28] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:Caius Sivaris wrote: Because sleepers/some plexes can have nasty alpha? The guy is posting non nonsensical question after non nonsensical question anyway, and all he got to show for his time in EVE is a badly fit Caracal loss in Rancer.
We cant all be as pro as u after 2 mos of playing.
Nope, but you could be smart enough to concern yourself with fits for ships you can actually fly and get actual in game experience with them instead of being that odd eft/forum warrior mix.
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Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:21:00 -
[29] - Quote
Or i can theory the game to hell so i can plan my skills. Experience will come too |

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
413
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:36:00 -
[30] - Quote
Mr Floydy wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;)
I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations.
I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
903
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:59:00 -
[31] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:Mr Floydy wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point
Even so, why take a Tengu over a double web armor Loki or an 18km scram Proteus to camp a gate unless you can't fly them? -I'm not saying it doesn't succeed because it's pretty obvious it does specially with friends pinning stuff for it but each single ship without a point or web or both camping that gate are close to useless but just KM hoaring, if they want to add real dps they should take a Talos instead.
A double web Loki can be terrifying with its agility of a frigate and a good cruiser speed while armor tanked, dishes a very decent dps and selectable one on top without loosing any 10% uberness per level.
A scram/diruptor Proteus without a single link can point stuff very far away, has a decent tank and mobility with 800 plates and when it gets on top of its target just melts it (gank fits not another snowflake/slaved eft fit). *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
126
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Posted - 2013.06.26 20:45:00 -
[32] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:Mr Floydy wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point Pretty sure that some nullsec entities use Tengus because 84k kills on this list http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 don't come from solo dudes in officer fit tengus (of course with an offgrid tengu booster). Nullsec blobs are all about outsourced tackling as well. |

Cage Man
237
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Posted - 2013.06.27 00:45:00 -
[33] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.
That's what tacklers and in null bubblers are for. The thick plottens... |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
280
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:20:00 -
[34] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:Mr Floydy wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point
I do, all of the time, we usually have a couple webber lokis and point proteus to do the pointing for us.
If you are going to fly a ship with at most 70km for range into the middle of 130 pulsepocs, losing tank for a point is pretty much out of the question. |

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
413
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:33:00 -
[35] - Quote
ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway. |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
280
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Posted - 2013.06.27 03:12:00 -
[36] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway.
Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors.
On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu. |

Bloody Wench
599
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:44:00 -
[37] - Quote
I'm not seeing it, at least not for PVP purposes, you start putting CNBC on it and deadspace/faction hardeners and it just gets expensive fast.
No prop mod..it's kinda rubbish. You can drop the Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction and put on a ABII it fits and you no longer need the 1% PG but takes the EHP down to 113K.
[Tengu, Requested] Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
6x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)
Large Shield Extender II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Warp Disruptor II
3x Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II 2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Will require 1% PG implant No other implants installed currently
Effective HP: 148,954 Tank Ability: 185.47 DPS Capacitor (Stable at 53.66%) DPS: 749.77 Support a High Resolution Texture Pack |

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
415
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:09:00 -
[38] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway. Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors. On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu.
how does a dictor help in high/low, it can only point as many people as it has disruptors. |

Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
129
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Posted - 2013.06.27 16:46:00 -
[39] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:Onictus wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway. Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors. On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu. how does a dictor help in high/low, it can only point as many people as it has disruptors. Yeah and so do Arazu/Lach , and ceptors, so what is your problem? Any gang can decide and some often do decide to fit for specific roles not for multi purpose. Tengu pilots are probably more risk adverse with their shiney and would readily not sacrifice tank in their mids while loading the lows with damage mods (since this is easy to do with a shield tanker), and would instead be happy to outsource the tackling role.
Some people have posted fits that approximate the posted stats the OP was asking about. You said these people should be fitting a point. Multiple people have responded that this is not necessarily so, and why. Sorry that you can't accept your point was not necessary. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
905
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Posted - 2013.06.27 23:55:00 -
[40] - Quote
Bloody Wench wrote:I'm not seeing it, at least not for PVP purposes, you start putting CNBC on it and deadspace/faction hardeners and it just gets expensive fast.
No prop mod..it's kinda rubbish. You can drop the Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction and put on a ABII it fits and you no longer need the 1% PG but takes the EHP down to 113K.
[Tengu, Requested] Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
6x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)
Large Shield Extender II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Warp Disruptor II
3x Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II 2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Will require 1% PG implant No other implants installed currently
Effective HP: 148,954 Tank Ability: 185.47 DPS Capacitor (Stable at 53.66%) DPS: 749.77
You're not going anywhere without a prop mod 
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
282
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Posted - 2013.06.28 01:46:00 -
[41] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:Mr Floydy wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point
........ummmmmm We fly them two fleets at a time just FYI.
Most null blocks have some form of Tengu doctrine |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
282
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Posted - 2013.06.28 01:51:00 -
[42] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:Onictus wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway. Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors. On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu. how does a dictor help in high/low, it can only point as many people as it has disruptors.
No but any other bait ship does. You aren't using shield T3s in hi-sec wars, that is the providence of the God-tanked slave clone Protues.
In low certainly, because if you are commiting tengus you can commit something with a point to go with. The old solo PvP bild was a 100mn AB faction fit HML with a loki booster.....basically anything that could catch was meat.
It also got its teeth pulled bigger than hell when they nerfed the HMLs 5 HLMs is stuck right around 350dps without 300mil in faction ballistic controls....so that is out. I've only seen one since the nerf and I pinned it with a bomber long enough that a fleet could catch up and kill it. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10425
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Posted - 2013.06.28 14:27:00 -
[43] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Mr Floydy wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point ........ummmmmm We fly them two fleets at a time just FYI. Most null blocks have some form of Tengu doctrine http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20Trust me it, the Tengu didn't get that high with out some relatively serious null usage. Look at the Caracal off all things, that is pure CFC using them for frigging everything. I wish that there were loss numbers on the top 20, because we have been blowing up three or four 200 man fleets of them a day.
Most nullblocs had some kind of Tengu doctrine. The new Apocs, Geddons and Domis now make the battlefield an extremely unhealthy place for medium ships.
1 Kings 12:11
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Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
|
Posted - 2013.06.29 20:06:00 -
[44] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Onictus wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Mr Floydy wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point. Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;) I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations. I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point ........ummmmmm We fly them two fleets at a time just FYI. Most null blocks have some form of Tengu doctrine http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20Trust me it, the Tengu didn't get that high with out some relatively serious null usage. Look at the Caracal off all things, that is pure CFC using them for frigging everything. I wish that there were loss numbers on the top 20, because we have been blowing up three or four 200 man fleets of them a day. Most nullblocs had some kind of Tengu doctrine. The new Apocs, Geddons and Domis now make the battlefield an extremely unhealthy place for medium ships.
Why is it specifically unhealthy for medium ships? |

Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
|
Posted - 2013.06.29 20:12:00 -
[45] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:Malcanis wrote: Most nullblocs had some kind of Tengu doctrine. The new Apocs, Geddons and Domis now make the battlefield an extremely unhealthy place for medium ships.
Why is it specifically unhealthy for medium ships?
40km Neut Ranges are bad news for HAM Tengus, since it means your afterburner and all your hardeners turn off and now you've now got tracking Apocs shooting into your 0% EM resistance because you're a dumb goon that didn't swap one of his hardeners to passive when the FC told you to.
Lokis are still doing fine, though, since they outrange the neuts and have hilariously high resists against lasers. |

Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
39
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Posted - 2013.06.29 21:22:00 -
[46] - Quote
No links or implants, but also no point. At least it has a prop mod...XD
[Tengu, 700/200]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
712/838 DPS, 202/262k EHP omni. Although a fun exercise, I wouldn't really recommend using this unless in a fleet..C: |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
|
Posted - 2013.06.30 14:45:00 -
[47] - Quote
Bertrand Butler wrote:No links or implants, but also no point. At least it has a prop mod...XD
[Tengu, 700*200]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
712/838 DPS, 202/262k EHP omni. Although a fun exercise, I wouldn't really recommend using this unless in a fleet..C:
why wouldnt you recomend using it unless in a fleet?
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Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
419
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Posted - 2013.06.30 14:52:00 -
[48] - Quote
no he said he wouldnt use it UNLESS he is in a fleet |

Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
39
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Posted - 2013.06.30 15:10:00 -
[49] - Quote
Ciyrine, what I mean is that the loadout I posted is a fleet ship, thats why it has an afterburner and no point. In a small gang or solo, you are better off with an active tanked ship that does more DPS and uses a MWD (or a 100MN afterburner in some cases) to dictate range when kiting with a warp disruptor. |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
|
Posted - 2013.06.30 17:04:00 -
[50] - Quote
Bertrand Butler wrote:Ciyrine, what I mean is that the loadout I posted is a fleet ship, thats why it has an afterburner and no point. In a small gang or solo, you are better off with an active tanked ship that does more DPS and uses a MWD (or a 100MN afterburner in some cases) to dictate range when kiting with a warp disruptor.
Thats interesting. i got impression from people that when it comes to any kind of pvp solo all the way to fleet shield/armor extenders are better than shield/armor repairers. that when you start taking damage your dead too fast for repair to matter
why AB in fleet but MWD in small/solo pvp?
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
40
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Posted - 2013.06.30 18:17:00 -
[51] - Quote
Quote: Thats interesting. i got impression from people that when it comes to any kind of pvp solo all the way to fleet shield/armor extenders are better than shield/armor repairers. that when you start taking damage your dead too fast for repair to matter
No, the difference is another one. When in fleet, you rely mostly in friendly logistics to survive, so the more EHP you have the better. In small gang and solo PvP, you can go either straight buffer, hybrid buffer or active tanking (and in some restricted situations even passive tanking), according to the application at hand.
Quote:why AB in fleet but MWD in small/solo pvp?
When a grunt in the DPS part of a fleet, you are supposed to stay in line and maneuver with the rest of the fleet. Speed and position is defined by your FC, not strictly from your hull capabilities.
In sg or solo PvP, the more speed you have the better you can adapt to different battle situations. Range dictation, kiting and ambush depend more on you, than on others. Of course, this again depends on the situation and hull at hand. |

stup idity
24
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:21:00 -
[52] - Quote
both fits have almost exactly 700dps and 200k ehp (with averaged resists, not worst case).
skills all 5, no implants, passive booster only. price tag should be around 550 million.
Personally, I like the second one better, for style and more attention on the eventual killmail.
[Tengu, tengu3] Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
5x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)
2x Large Shield Extender II 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I EM Ward Field II
3x Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
[Tengu, tengu4] Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
6x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Void M)
2x Large Shield Extender II 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II
3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
I reign supreme. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
919
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:56:00 -
[53] - Quote
stup idity wrote: [Tengu, tengu4] Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
6x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Void M)
2x Large Shield Extender II 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II
3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Zdat one is awesome, blasterGu best Tengu  *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
|
Posted - 2013.07.02 21:12:00 -
[54] - Quote
whats the advantage of the blaster vs ham tengu? |

stup idity
24
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Posted - 2013.07.02 21:28:00 -
[55] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:whats the advantage of the blaster vs ham tengu?
This:
stup idity wrote: Personally, I like the second one better, for style and more attention on the eventual killmail.
Of course you could do a detailed in-depth analysis of both weapon systems, but: those blasters have around one fourth of ham range and use cap while doing the same damage with 6 instead of 5 weapons. Not worth taking another look at until the according subsystems might be rebalanced somewhere in the future.
I reign supreme. |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
|
Posted - 2013.07.02 22:07:00 -
[56] - Quote
i was thinking the blasters might have better tracking and damage application against faster/smaller sig targets. Making them more effective at destroying a wider range of targets |

Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
431
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Posted - 2013.07.02 22:35:00 -
[57] - Quote
since tengu has no bonus to medium hybrid tracking: no it wont. |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
|
Posted - 2013.07.03 00:29:00 -
[58] - Quote
since i cant test in sisi I use EFT to try and see how things look.
The Beam tengu does better damage against small/fast targets than the missile versions.
BUT
is there a reason EFT would be showing the beam tengu taking more damage from missiles than the missile tengu?
they have the same signature/speed |

Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
432
|
Posted - 2013.07.03 00:52:00 -
[59] - Quote
beam.... tengu? |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
|
Posted - 2013.07.03 02:31:00 -
[60] - Quote
let me try again. heavy neutron blaster. If thats not a beam my apologies |

Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
433
|
Posted - 2013.07.03 03:06:00 -
[61] - Quote
ham tengu is still better. Just don't do hybrids on a tengu: it's terrible. |

CcRaven
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.03 03:38:00 -
[62] - Quote
[Tengu] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I
10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Cheapest i could get, All skills L5, no implant. 701 dps / 200445 ehp. |

CcRaven
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.03 04:09:00 -
[63] - Quote
[Tengu, 02] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Under 700dps (696 dps) , 205883 ehp , cap stable 80%. All skills L5 , no implant/ link. Much cheaper with t1 rigs. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
923
|
Posted - 2013.07.03 10:30:00 -
[64] - Quote
CcRaven wrote:[Tengu, 02] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Under 700dps (696 dps) , 205883 ehp , cap stable 80%. All skills L5 , no implant/ link. Much cheaper with t1 rigs.
You forgot to add "this dps is only possible at 25km with absolute perfect skills, range where HACs are effective enough to make these Tengus unworthy and BSs will eat them alive"
Now take some of those silly stuff over there to prove smack points and give those missiles range to make the ship much better by offering a larger window of engagement while still keeping a very decent tank.
EFT is cool, indeed.
It's like 1.2K dps Proteus, everyone flies those over BSs, I see entier fleets of them all over null....or not. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
154
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Posted - 2013.07.03 13:41:00 -
[65] - Quote
here is a hint use 2 x 5% hardwires |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
|
Posted - 2013.07.03 14:28:00 -
[66] - Quote
Quote:You forgot to add "this dps is only possible at 25km with absolute perfect skills, range where HACs are effective enough to make these Tengus unworthy and BSs will eat them alive"
Now take some of those silly stuff over there to prove smack points and give those missiles range to make the ship much better by offering a larger window of engagement while still keeping a very decent tank.
EFT is cool, indeed.
It's like 1.2K dps Proteus, everyone flies those over BSs, I see entier fleets of them all over null....or not
isnt ham tengu standard? which means 25km. Or tengus that actually get used have heavy missile launchers? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10510
|
Posted - 2013.07.03 14:54:00 -
[67] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:Quote:You forgot to add "this dps is only possible at 25km with absolute perfect skills, range where HACs are effective enough to make these Tengus unworthy and BSs will eat them alive"
Now take some of those silly stuff over there to prove smack points and give those missiles range to make the ship much better by offering a larger window of engagement while still keeping a very decent tank.
EFT is cool, indeed.
It's like 1.2K dps Proteus, everyone flies those over BSs, I see entier fleets of them all over null....or not isnt ham tengu standard? which means 25km. Or tengus that actually get used have heavy missile launchers?
Some alliances fly HAMgus, but they're rather susceptible to countermeasures, since they're operating right inside heavy neut and gang bonused web range.
Put a couple of neuts, a few webs and a couple of TPs onto that "200k EHP" Tengu and it's a dead tengu pretty fast. Oh and for extra lols have your fleet anchor around a Typhoon with a set of True Sansha medium smartbombs - that will intercept a pretty large fraction of the incoming "700DPS"
1 Kings 12:11
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Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
|
Posted - 2013.07.03 16:56:00 -
[68] - Quote
Whats a typhoon doing to intercept damage? |

CcRaven
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.04 04:49:00 -
[69] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:CcRaven wrote:[Tengu, 02] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Under 700dps (696 dps) , 205883 ehp , cap stable 80%. All skills L5 , no implant/ link. Much cheaper with t1 rigs. You forgot to add "this dps is only possible at 25km with absolute perfect skills, range where HACs are effective enough to make these Tengus unworthy and BSs will eat them alive" Now take some of those silly stuff over there to prove smack points and give those missiles range to make the ship much better by offering a larger window of engagement while still keeping a very decent tank. EFT is cool, indeed. It's like 1.2K dps Proteus, everyone flies those over BSs, I see entier fleets of them all over null....or not.
I forgot nothing, it s said : all skills L5 and Heavy ASSAULT missiles. I did not say it s the best but the cheapest and staying on topics ( 700dps/ 200k ehp)
Now take some of this silly arrogance stuff over to prove smack points and give thoses post some more relevance by offering a greater will to help while still keeping a low but decent profil.
And now i have to make a off topic post just to defend myself... Nerd elitist ( who can t read), unbeliveable.... |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10522
|
Posted - 2013.07.04 06:52:00 -
[70] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:Whats a typhoon doing to intercept damage?
Smart bombs can destroy missiles.
1 Kings 12:11
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Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
|
Posted - 2013.07.04 18:46:00 -
[71] - Quote
Thats interesting. So with decent timing i can mitigate a good chunkc of dps coming in |

Cage Man
242
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:43:00 -
[72] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:Thats interesting. So with decent timing i can mitigate a good chunkc of dps coming in
With the new missile graphics, weell not all that new, you should be able to if you time it right. Just google firewalls, it was used in an attempt to mitigate the drake blobs damage when drake blobs were all the rage.. not sure how well they worked..
The thick plottens... |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
292
|
Posted - 2013.07.05 04:10:00 -
[73] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:Whats a typhoon doing to intercept damage?
smartbombs
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Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
|
Posted - 2013.07.05 04:12:00 -
[74] - Quote
how much damage do misisles need to take to explode? |

El Gravy
Vicious Industrial Redrum Fleet
10
|
Posted - 2013.07.05 07:31:00 -
[75] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:how much damage do misisles need to take to explode?
You know it's kinda funny. Missiles are the only ammo that takes a significant time to reload, a significant time to reach a target AND can be shot down. You would think by default the DPS would be well over 1000 on any standard T-GU fit. Just saying... |

Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
44
|
Posted - 2013.07.05 09:55:00 -
[76] - Quote
Another funny thing is that missiles never miss. |

jimbolina
State War Academy Caldari State
5
|
Posted - 2013.07.05 12:06:00 -
[77] - Quote
Bertrand Butler wrote:Another funny thing is that missiles never miss.
they do miss if they are destroyed! ^^ |

Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
|
Posted - 2013.07.05 14:22:00 -
[78] - Quote
El Gravy wrote:Ciyrine wrote:how much damage do misisles need to take to explode? You know it's kinda funny. Missiles are the only ammo that takes a significant time to reload, a significant time to reach a target AND can be shot down. You would think by default the DPS would be well over 1000 on any standard T-GU fit. Just saying...
Quote:Another funny thing is that missiles never miss.
they can do crap for damage though which almost as bad. |
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