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Roy Kring Wasteland Fiends 25	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:52:00 - [1] - Quote Lately I've been getting pretty angry at some of the changes CCP are doing to the game, mainly giving in to the whiny PvE'rs that want to do nothing but watch a mining laser cycle for hours or grind the same ***** mission over and over for thousands of times. I really want to stop seeing so many updates to PvE related content, you seem to cater to these mindless robots instead of the real players. One thing that bothered me pretty bad is the new changes to exploration, I flat out don't like them. I used to go deep into alliance controlled nullsec territory and run sites in my Ishtar and I really enjoyed the whole experience and the evasive lifestyle I had to live down there, it made me great money too, going where the carebears were afraid to go, untapped riches really. It was my only way to fund my serious PvP habit, but when the changes were made and I tried exploration out in the new EVE I was in disbelief. I really can't believe the *** brainless team that designed the new mechanics, and the fact that the rest of CCP released it thinking that was a good idea. Little kiddies like the new game because they never used to do real exploration and do it for the novelty factor. Your little graph only showed what happens when you update a feature in the game, more people do it, you added it as an option for the new players for christ sake of course they're going to try it out, but you didn't need to kill it like you did. Id even be somewhat content if you just changed the way you open the can, but the final kick in the balls was the ridiculous loot spew minigame. What the is that? Are you kidding me? You thought people would enjoy that? It's frustrating at best and a great deterrent. Oh, and I really enjoyed that battlecruiser and destroyer skill update, I had battlecruisers at 4 when the update came out so i'm going to have a lot of fun training the same ***** skill 4 times. Thanks a lot for that. Selling killrights is great too, people can pick me off wherever I am because I like to PvP, i'll enjoy that. How about updating piracy? I was -10 trying out solo piracy for a year, the odds were really against me but I like a challenge. One thing that really bothered me were ransoms, I often caught peoples pods and would try ransoming them. Out of at least 100 pods I caught, only 2 guys payed me, one for 100m the other for 200m and I let both of them go. The VAST VAST majority of people wont pay you because it's a trust game that other selfish fucks have ruined for the rest of us by killing them anyways. I had an idea where a player (could be any player or only those with -5 and lower security status) could right click the character they're attack and select "Ransom" or something of that nature. The initiating player could then write an amount of isk in the small box and hit accept. If the player on the receiving end of the ransom clicked accept on the box that came up, they would pay the pirate the agreed amount of isk and combat would be instantly stopped for 60 (or XX time) seconds and both locks would be broken for the duration allowing the victim to warp off safely. Its a raw idea that i'm sure could be refined but that's the basic idea. Just please, CCP, don't let this game go down the drain like so many others, I love this game and I enjoy playing it, hell, I have 3 accounts subbed on my credit card. I don't buy plex with isk to subscribe my accounts like these useless grinders do, I truly support the game, and I would love it if I felt like my voice was heared. I'm sorry I was angry at the beginning of this post but I just really don't like some of the changes you've been making, and for god sakes please don't buff the raven or tengu. Thanks.
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 551	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:53:00 - [2] - Quote got an abridged version? I assume its "me mad bra".
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 2628	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:55:00 - [3] - Quote Miilla wrote: got an abridged version? I assume its "me mad bra". Stealth "nerf highsec" thread. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.

ISD Suvetar ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2294	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:00:00 - [4] - Quote Hi, We don't normally allow overly Ranty posts here, but I'm intrigued by your Ransom Idea so I've moved your thread to Features and Ideas discussion. Perhaps you could flesh your idea out a bit more, how would this affect Warp bubbles, for example ? Thanks for your comments though, we do appreciate it. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Galaxy Chicken New Order Logistics CODE. 17	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:12:00 - [5] - Quote Roy Kring wrote: I don't buy plex with isk to subscribe my accounts like these useless grinders do Aaaaaand just like that you've proven to everyone that you know absolutely nothing about which you speak.
Roy Kring Wasteland Fiends 26	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:15:00 - [6] - Quote Galaxy Chicken wrote: Roy Kring wrote: I don't buy plex with isk to subscribe my accounts like these useless grinders do Aaaaaand just like that you've proven to everyone that you know absolutely nothing about which you speak. Really how so? Explain your logic because there wasn't any in that post, didn't expect a post that useless from a member of the new order
Astroniomix Cryptic Meta-4 514	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:18:00 - [7] - Quote Galaxy Chicken wrote: Roy Kring wrote: I don't buy plex with isk to subscribe my accounts like these useless grinders do Aaaaaand just like that you've proven to everyone that you know absolutely nothing about which you speak. Posting to confirm that I have to grind for hours a day to plex my accounts. Also your ransom idea looks highly abusable in it's current state.
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 1415	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:19:00 - [8] - Quote Roy Kring wrote: Galaxy Chicken wrote: Roy Kring wrote: I don't buy plex with isk to subscribe my accounts like these useless grinders do Aaaaaand just like that you've proven to everyone that you know absolutely nothing about which you speak. Really how so? Explain your logic because there wasn't any in that post, didn't expect a post that useless from a member of the new order If you're buying a PLEX with ISK, someone else already gave CCP the money for it. A PLEX costs more than 30 days sub, thus the more PLEX that are bought and traded on the market, the more money CCP makes.
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 523	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:20:00 - [9] - Quote I don't pretend to have a clue what goes on in the mind of a CODE. member, but I would suspect he's implying that you can have a sufficient income for PLEXing your account without the need for mining or grinding - if you know what you're doing, of course.
Max Essen Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd 29	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:26:00 - [10] - Quote 1. My play time is very limited. 2. I pay cold hard cash for my account(s) 3. I like to mine and run missions with my limited time. 4. I don't give a rat's butt that I'm not playing the way you want me to

Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 2222	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:39:00 - [11] - Quote Interesting read, a couple of thoughts to add: 1.) I'm a PvP'er through and through, and have found the majority of changes CCP has made since Incarna very PvP focused, dramatically improving the game. I'm sorry your exploration experience is not as enjoyable as it once was, but given it's current popularity I don't think CCP did something all that "bad". 2.) Your whine about the BC skill change... CCP announced that change 18 MONTHS ago, with regular reminders. If you feel "gypped" from the skillpoint changes, its because you fail at keeping informed on this game. Frankly, this it is your fault if you didn't maximize it, and while you can claim the skill change was unnecessary, you only need to objectively look at the potency of the BC skill to realize it was past time they split up the dessie & bc skills. 3.) Selling killrights was an awesome change that was long overdue. I don't understand your moaning about that change... 4.) Your "official-ransom" idea is alright, but as the dev said you need flesh it out some... What happens if you are in a bubble in nullsec??? Should be perhaps allow pirates to "break their word", while maybe delivering some other consequence? What happens when there are multiple tacklers? Etc, etc, etc..
Galaxy Chicken New Order Logistics CODE. 17	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:42:00 - [12] - Quote No, I was just saying that the OP has shown that he has absolutely no idea how the PLEX system works, like, at all.

ISD Suvetar ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2294	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:44:00 - [13] - Quote Gizznitt Malikite wrote: 4.) Your "official-ransom" idea is alright, but as the dev said you need flesh it out some... What happens if you are in a bubble in nullsec??? Should be perhaps allow pirates to "break their word", while maybe delivering some other consequence? What happens when there are multiple tacklers? Etc, etc, etc.. Not a Dev, just a forum moderator - but thank you very much all the same ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Galaxy Chicken New Order Logistics CODE. 17	Posted - 2013.06.25 22:04:00 - [14] - Quote ISD Suvetar, I like your new look.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1977	Posted - 2013.06.25 22:12:00 - [15] - Quote Allowing people to lie and cheat and play dirty if they wish is a big part of what makes Eve what it is. So no thanks to magical enforcement buttons preventing people from breaking their word. There are, or at least were, pirate groups who were known to honour ransoms and gained a reputation as "trustworthy" because of it, if you join or form such an organisation then you might find your efforts more successful. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Gorgoth24 Sickology 29	Posted - 2013.06.25 23:32:00 - [16] - Quote I feel that this title is overly negative, and I'm conflicted on the subject, but I'm willing to give it positive suggestions. Basic mechanics: Ransom has two boxes. Agressor inputs the amount asked for, the pod inputs a yes/no/counter-offer. If the agressor then accepts, it conveys a 60s invulnerability to locking of the pod by anyone. This timer should be set to 0 upon session change. The ransom should also be automatically declined if you are in the process of ransoming and are podded. Warp bubbles? This should simply be up to the pilot. If you're deep enough inside the warp bubble that you can't escape or get to a gate in 60s (a rather long period) then you should just decline the ransom and die. The timer being stopped by session change also prevents a pilot from ransoming his own pod through an alt to get through gatecamps. Multiple Characters ransoming? Ransoming should be done from one player to another (not to the entire fleet at once) but should convey an invulnerability to locking on the pod's part for the next 60s or session change timer Note: Notice how I said "Invulnerability to locking" and not "Invulnerability". This means that the pod can still be smartbombed if the agressing pilot has one fitted and can kill the pod in between the time the ransom happens and the pod warps off. Considering this requires the pilot to fit a smartbomb, and a little pilot skill, I feel it is sufficiently pre-nerfed. EDIT: After mulling over my conflictions on the subject, I feel that the bonus of making Pirating more of a profession then a fun-only sort've thing outweighs the possible damage to EVE's Lore as a "Trust him as far as you can throw him" attitude
Gigan Amilupar Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void 2	Posted - 2013.06.26 01:45:00 - [17] - Quote I like the idea of ransoming becoming more of a feature, because I haven't heard much about piracy being an actual profession at this point, most people who roam low-sec space (including myself) generally just do it for the good fights. However I'm not entirely sure it should function like a contract, I mean, I could. I'd say to have it added to the contracts tab as a method of "selling" immunity to targeting of the ransoming fleet for a period of time, but I think there is potential for abuse in fleet warfare (awoxing is one thing, using a spy to make a fleet of rokhs or maels or w/e unable to target certain ships in null-sec sov war is another). So let's change direction. I've noticed on these forums before that people have been making suggestions about better ways to interact with NPC pirate factions, such as the Angel Cartel. How about we introduce low and npc-null sec space areas for these NPC pirate organizations to run out of, and then implement ransoming as a game mechanic similar to mission running? No time limit (or a long one, say, 2 weeks), but when you accept a "mission" for the AC or whoever, you gain a mechanic allowing for the issuing of ransom contracts during the time it's accepted. Every ransom (minimum amount of say, 10m) takes 50% of the ISK earned from the ransom and counts it towards a mission goal (arbitrary number, 30M Isk for example). Upon completion of the "mission" you gain LP's and standing with the pirate faction. However, it should be a bit more dangerous. While the "mission" is in progress you would be flagged, similar to a suspect flag, perhaps even preventing you from docking at non-pirate faction NPC stations (instead of the blanket of all stations that suspect status currently gives). And it doesn't just have to be missions for ransoming either. There could also be missions to destroy a certain Isk-value (EvE already acquires that information for kill-mails, I don't think it's unreasonable for that information to be used elsewhere). It could even extended further and be used as a basis for NPC's handing out bounty missions to do a certain amount of Isk-damage to players who are flagged with the "pirate faction suspect" flag described above. It really opens a whole world of possibilities, gets more players fighting (which is a driving force behind player interaction) and really solidifies both "piracy" and "bounty hunting" as the professions people seem to want without removing the PvP aspect. Also, as for the issue of targeting invulnerability and warp bubbles, 60s should hopefully be long enough to get out of a bubble in a pod. And if it's not, either the time can be increased, or if the bubble is being moved, I imagine the player would take that as a hint to just suicide their pod.
Gorgoth24 Sickology 31	Posted - 2013.06.26 01:49:00 - [18] - Quote @Gaigan I feel as though your post is off topic, as it aims to introduce PVE content instead of the original ideas in the thread. I would suggest making your own thread with these ideas if you are so inspired
Gigan Amilupar Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void 2	Posted - 2013.06.26 02:01:00 - [19] - Quote Gorgoth24 wrote: @Gaigan I feel as though your post is off topic, as it aims to introduce PVE content instead of the original ideas in the thread. I would suggest making your own thread with these ideas if you are so inspired I apologize if it seemed off-topic. The OP was talking about mechanics relating the the facilitation of piracy, and after outlining possible exploitation with such a mechanic, I suggested something in a similar vein the FW, a piracy system that, while run of of NPC stations would be entirely based around PvP and associated mechanics; so I thought this thread would be as good a place as any.
Paikis Vapour Holdings 858	Posted - 2013.06.26 02:25:00 - [20] - Quote First, I like this idea. A lot. I would like to propose an 'honour counter' or something for both Alliances, Corps and individual pilots. If a ransom is honoured, the pilot being ransomed can chose to add 1 to the HC of the pilots/corps/alliances involved. If the ransom is NOT honoured, the HC of all involved is reduced by 1. Problems: Neutral alts gaming the system. They're everywhere. Use them to artificially inflate your e-honour counter. Use them to pod a ransomed player. Mixed fleets. What if one corp wants to honour the ransom but the other ones don't? What if one pilot isn't on comms and shoots anyway?

Shereza Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 143	Posted - 2013.06.26 02:32:00 - [21] - Quote Regarding enforced trust consider this. Pirates are not beholden to use any "ransom mechanic" implemented. They can choose to do so as they wish or they can tell the person whose pod they have locked down, "Send money, no bulls***, or else." The only thing some sort of built in ransom mechanic would do is give the person who's in a pod the guarantee that they'll have a window, however small it might be, to escape from their current situation It does not prevent them from getting trapped by someone else at their destination station/PoS/whatever, on the other side of the gate, or at the destination gate in the next system. It also does not guarantee that other members of the ransomer's corporation/alliance(/fleet who aren't in that system?) won't be able to track down, lock up, and pod that person in a few minutes. As long as it removes no existent gameplay I don't see that there's anything wrong with at least talking about such a mechanic being implemented. Even if the safety net it provides only appears half the time and is relatively illusory at that it will still induce some people into PvP whom might otherwise pass it over. Above all just remember one basic thing. If it's done right no pirate should ever be forced to use a ransom mechanic. It would be solely up to their discretion to do so.
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service 198	Posted - 2013.06.26 02:52:00 - [22] - Quote The problem with such a system is that it deprives players of the ability to break their word. And while I don't condone dishonoring ransoms, players should ALWAYS have the choice to do so if they wished. Sure, the ebil pirate could still just ransom thru a convo like always. But if yor proposed system existed it becomes pretty obvious that the only reason anyone would ever ransom via convo is to dishonor it, so it would never work. Hence dishonoring ransoms would be impossible, and a choice is removed from players' options. In any case, if you are having problems securing ransoms than perhaps you need to refine your approach. Be polite and casual. Keep the price low and reasonable. Feign disinterest as to which choice they make (pay or die). And show some sympathy for their plight. Usually worked pretty well for me.
Kirkwood Ross Golden Profession 37	Posted - 2013.06.26 03:33:00 - [23] - Quote What stops a third party from keeping a lock on the pod? What stops the pirate from smartbombing and killing the pod anyways?
Erutpar Ambient Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Black Core Alliance 42	Posted - 2013.06.26 04:23:00 - [24] - Quote Nice Idea, but yeah, very exploitable. Neutral alts always ruin the day with stuff like this. ;( Agree to ransom > ransomer can't engage you > neut alt pods you Agreeing to ransom gives you temporary invulnerability > Use mechanic to fly into enemy fleet at perfect range + warp to 0/cyno One way to make it work would be to have the Ransom contract fail if the ship is destroyed within X amount of time. So if you pay and you get blown up then you get your ransom back. Though it may be unrealistic, it is all i can think of to make it work so far.
Dring Dingle Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement 38	Posted - 2013.06.26 04:30:00 - [25] - Quote Ransoming and piracy is player driven content..... you don't need a ccp pop up box to facilitate it.... The dueling mechanism was called for.... because you couldnt legal dog fight a friend in high sec) But i think thats really as far as it should go when creating or ending limited engagements. If you want to ransom someone you still can.
Ruze Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries 427	Posted - 2013.06.26 04:34:00 - [26] - Quote A 'ransom' option, I'm not against. Seems like a quick-market or contract system much like bounties. As far as the trust mechanics, I prefer that the game leaves it to the players. Ransom, pay ransom, but don't hard-code any kind of restrictions. Let the pirate still be able to gank the pod after the ransom is paid. Thus is life. I have (as a player) ransomed others. But I won't pay a ransom. It's not about trust. That's more a moral policy than any other. Don't pay a ransom, and don't stop shooting until somebodies dead. It's why I personally play. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
supernova ranger EVE University Ivy League 30	Posted - 2013.06.26 04:51:00 - [27] - Quote I've been caught twice in lowsec and been offered ransoms, once because I was d-scanning with the wrong overview (noticed i was on the wrong one when my shield warning went off) and the other cause I managed to align alone the invisible exterior of an asteroid's sphere (at least they were curtious and blew my proc up with a vindicator... Was tanking the frigates fine till then) I'd say the only rules needed is that the ransom is payed when a player docks to stop their buddies from shooting you. Rules could be placed on top of this to avoid exploiting it like "ransom is payed when u jump out of a dockable system" or "it is only payed when they reach highsec" making the pirates have to escort you out to receive their booty. Could also be a way of bribing boarder guards :D or enforcing border crossing fees for major sovereign holders...
Commander Ted Caldari Provisions Caldari State 744	Posted - 2013.06.26 05:57:00 - [28] - Quote Perhaps there should be an ability to haggle the ransom? One time during an awox I captured a pod and ransomed it for 200mil, the guy accepted extremely quickly and I had a poor friend with me so I demanded another 200mil and he gave it to me. Then I let him go, i probably could have gotten a billion out of him. It should work like a normal trade window where both parties have to click accept, you can drag and drop anything from your assets window and put in isk. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Gorgoth24 Sickology 31	Posted - 2013.06.26 06:14:00 - [29] - Quote Erutpar Ambient wrote: One way to make it work would be to have the Ransom contract fail if the ship is destroyed within X amount of time. So if you pay and you get blown up then you get your ransom back. Though it may be unrealistic, it is all i can think of to make it work so far. Just wanted to highlight this. It's a far better mechanic then the one I suggested
Mark Androcius 146	Posted - 2013.06.26 10:04:00 - [30] - Quote Player A enters amount of ransom and clicks accept, player B receives the ransom request. Player B informs player C who is in player B's corporation of just a mate. Player C aligns and warps and as player C lands, Player B accepts the ransom. Player C now warp scrams and webs player A. Spot the issue. All this will yield, is more ways to scam people. Besides, i'd rather be podded with a billion iskies in implants in my head, then pay a lowlife "beggar" ( which is basically what you are if you do this ) even 0.00001 isk. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?



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