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Migs Dank
The Griffin Nest Builder
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Posted - 2011.10.24 05:00:00 -
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Come on CCP, where did concord's magic come from all of a sudden? Only the sleepers and the Jove can master wormhole space, if we're on a WH when we commit a criminal act, some strange voodoo shouldn't be keeping us from jumping. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.10.24 15:50:00 -
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Migs Dank wrote:Come on CCP, where did concord's magic come from all of a sudden? Only the sleepers and the Jove can master wormhole space, if we're on a WH when we commit a criminal act, some strange voodoo shouldn't be keeping us from jumping.
Can you elaborate on the specific type and nature of the alleged Voodoo?
If Women aren't supposed to do the cooking, why are their bodies full of milk and eggs? |
Istyn
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:00:00 -
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All of a sudden? You've never been able to jump through a WH after going GCC, you appear to be mixing up aggression timers and GCC. |
Migs Dank
The Griffin Nest Builder
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Posted - 2011.10.24 17:27:00 -
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As far as game mechanics go, not allowing people with GCC to jump through a wormhole isn't helping a whole lot of criminals out there. If you were to try and gank someone and use a wormhole as an exit, good luck popping a ship AND warping fast enough so that CONCORD doesn't catch you.
The only surefire way to hit jump before CONCORD finds you is to already be on that wormhole, allowing people to shoot on wormhole entrances and then jump could make things more interesting, especially when it comes to protecting your wormhole space. You can take a proactive approach to popping invaders. |
Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.24 17:37:00 -
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There is no evading CONCORD. Triggering CONCORD on you is to lose your ship. PERIOD. There is no other possibility.
but srly wtf are your talking about? |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.24 17:41:00 -
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Migs Dank wrote:As far as game mechanics go, not allowing people with GCC to jump through a wormhole isn't helping a whole lot of criminals out there. If you were to try and gank someone and use a wormhole as an exit, good luck popping a ship AND warping fast enough so that CONCORD doesn't catch you.
The only surefire way to hit jump before CONCORD finds you is to already be on that wormhole, allowing people to shoot on wormhole entrances and then jump could make things more interesting, especially when it comes to protecting your wormhole space. You can take a proactive approach to popping invaders.
Please provide a time in Eve's history where Concord did not intervene in criminal activity in high sec to show a precedence for your inability to properly camp your WH's high-sec entrance/exit. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.24 17:45:00 -
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Wylee Coyote wrote:Migs Dank wrote:As far as game mechanics go, not allowing people with GCC to jump through a wormhole isn't helping a whole lot of criminals out there. If you were to try and gank someone and use a wormhole as an exit, good luck popping a ship AND warping fast enough so that CONCORD doesn't catch you.
The only surefire way to hit jump before CONCORD finds you is to already be on that wormhole, allowing people to shoot on wormhole entrances and then jump could make things more interesting, especially when it comes to protecting your wormhole space. You can take a proactive approach to popping invaders. Please provide a time in Eve's history where Concord did not intervene in criminal activity in high sec to show a precedence for your bizarre rationale due to your inability to properly camp your WH's high-sec entrance/exit.
I remember when black ops BS came out and apparently no one at CCP figured out how they could possibly have been used to evade Concord  |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.24 17:50:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:Migs Dank wrote:As far as game mechanics go, not allowing people with GCC to jump through a wormhole isn't helping a whole lot of criminals out there. If you were to try and gank someone and use a wormhole as an exit, good luck popping a ship AND warping fast enough so that CONCORD doesn't catch you.
The only surefire way to hit jump before CONCORD finds you is to already be on that wormhole, allowing people to shoot on wormhole entrances and then jump could make things more interesting, especially when it comes to protecting your wormhole space. You can take a proactive approach to popping invaders. Please provide a time in Eve's history where Concord did not intervene in criminal activity in high sec to show a precedence for your bizarre rationale due to your inability to properly camp your WH's high-sec entrance/exit. I remember when black ops BS came out and apparently no one at CCP figured out how they could possibly have been used to evade Concord
Not quite the point, but touch+¬ |
Migs Dank
The Griffin Nest Builder
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:21:00 -
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I at no point said it was necessary, nor was I complaining, I was just saying that it would be an interesting gameplay tactic. Pirates escaping into the void and all. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:21:00 -
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Migs Dank wrote:I at no point said it was necessary, nor was I complaining, I was just saying that it would be an interesting gameplay tactic. Pirates escaping into the void and all.
In other words, evading CONCORD...Do tell us how that goes before your permanent, account-level ban comes down, eh?
Given the time-difference between NA and Iceland, you might have just enough time  |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.25 10:52:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:herp derp i like listening to myself talk and missing the point entirely
This thread would honestly go farther in EVE Fiction or Features and Ideas. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:23:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:herp derp i like listening to myself talk and missing the point entirely This thread would honestly go farther in EVE Fiction or Features and Ideas.
This thread would go much farther if printed and then flushed down a toilet.
The quality of ideas is about the same. Worth wiping one's *** with.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:28:00 -
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Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you.
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Paladin Kor-Xebar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:37:00 -
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If you evade concord, its an exploit.
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Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
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Posted - 2011.10.25 13:04:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Migs Dank wrote:I at no point said it was necessary, nor was I complaining, I was just saying that it would be an interesting gameplay tactic. Pirates escaping into the void and all. In other words, evading CONCORD...Do tell us how that goes before your permanent, account-level ban comes down, eh? Given the time-difference between NA and Iceland, you might have just enough time
Paranoid much?
@ OP: It would be interesting, but there is way too much room for exploiting. |
Migs Dank
The Griffin Nest Builder
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Posted - 2011.10.26 07:46:00 -
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Exploiting how?
Concord would still likely catch anyone not already sitting on the WH, except for the really fast ships. It would be a tactic for .5/.6 systems that would be very difficult to pull off. .7 and above the response would likely be to quick to get off a gank. |
Tijai Betula
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
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Posted - 2011.10.26 08:23:00 -
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I like this idea - alot :)
Imagine your common or garden miner / mission runner having to keep an eye on whose in local and/or checking WH status in system before proceeding with his AFK profiteering = win
Imagine if you will smaller pirate corps specialising in Wormhole infiltration into Hi sec with hard hitting, fast wolf packs = win
Imagine those low sec and nullsec badboys actually having a way to cause some wardec stress to the smack talking carebear corp who hides in Hi-sec = win
Imagine having delayed concord aggression if the bad boys can get into hisec and only 'trigger' concord if within say 1AU of a station or gate = win
I need to lay down, this thread exites me :)
This can only make the game better :)
CCP please do this now :) |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.10.26 12:37:00 -
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Black Ops need to be able to cynic out too right?
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.10.26 15:05:00 -
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1) align for a wormhole
2) alpha your target
3) warp off before CONCORD arrives
4) GTFO through the WH
5) collect miner tears as highsec is now completely irrelevant. |
Kamden Line
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.10.26 15:52:00 -
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Let's go back. Back in time. To the good ol' days. The days when you could sit on a high sec gate, tanking CONCORD, and own everything that came through the gate.
Yeah no. There's a reason CCP made concord into THE GODDAMN CONCORD. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:41:00 -
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Kamden Line wrote:Let's go back. Back in time. To the good ol' days. The days when you could sit on a high sec gate, tanking CONCORD, and own everything that came through the gate.
Yeah no. There's a reason CCP made concord into THE GODDAMN CONCORD.
That damn Armageddon killing my brothers Maller. We didn't have bookmarks to that specific gate so we landed 15km off, I managed to get through tho with my double-plated, injected Maller..
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Prophet Mandalore
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Posted - 2011.10.27 12:11:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:1) align for a wormhole
2) alpha your target
3) warp off before CONCORD arrives
4) GTFO through the WH
5) collect miner tears as highsec is now completely irrelevant.
That is an exploit. CONCORD is not protection, its a punishment. Meaning if you shoot someone you have to loose that ship. |
Vrykolakasis
Trinity Operations
Aurora Irae
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Posted - 2011.10.27 15:47:00 -
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What is the official stance on how CONCORD is able to do that? Do EVE ships have locking protocols or something, something CONCORD can override when they want to? I understand not exiting through a gate, the gate has to "let" you in.
Another question: you escape CONCORD to show you can. You then self-destruct your ship. Still punished as an exploit I assume? |
De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.10.27 15:58:00 -
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Vrykolakasis wrote:Another question: you escape CONCORD to show you can. You then self-destruct your ship. Still punished as an exploit I assume?
Yes. Evading CONCORD, even "just to prove you can" is an exploit and will be treated as such by CCP.
Detonating your ship out of the kindness of your heart afterwards does not ameliorate the initial exploit.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Pollo Rico
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:12:00 -
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Migs Dank wrote:some strange voodoo shouldn't be keeping us from jumping. Pollo approves of 'da boodoo.
http://tinyurl.com/Pollo-Approves |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.10.27 22:31:00 -
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CONCORD shoot through POS shields too.
As has been said already you're not supposed to evade CONCORD and actually managing to is deemed an exploit. |
Aerocuker
Global Economy Experts
Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:54:00 -
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I was aggressed by NPC/Rats in hisec and CONCORD never showed up. It's funny that CONCORD has kill mission agents when they are omnipotent and omnipresent in hisec, lazy bunch. |
Endovior
Brothers At Arms
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:08:00 -
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I believe the official policy is that if you think you've got a way to evade CONCORD:
1: You can test it (preferably on the test server, to minimize disruption)...
2: If it works, you must then report your own escape as a bug and an exploit...
3: And then not do it again. |
Mr Bigwinky
Click Click BOOM
4U Holdings Inc
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:33:00 -
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Just to clarify: This is only a problem in hi-sec
Confirming you can quite happily get GCC in low-sec and jump into a wormhole.
- Winky GÖÑ
Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
Snow Ogre Dude
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.17 05:49:00 -
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YOU NEED TO FIND WITCH DOCTOR WITH CHICKENS
EAT ALL CHICKENS
STOPS MAGICS |
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