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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:18:00 -
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i've lost COUNTLESS BS's and HAC's to this problem, you'd thinky by now they'd find someway of tracking what happens, or change the npc ctd rules..(the problem with this would be they wouldn't be able to track whats a disconnect and whats ctrl+Q, when they get in trouble at a big spawn)
the funny thing is sometimes i'll have my alt logged in at the same time and if i CTD.....my character doesn't go offline til 10 minutes after the CTD..which is quite odd but thats rare occasion
"ooooohh theres nothing wrong with killer robots from venus" |
Captain Brownfinger
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:32:00 -
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No. No reimbursements of your ship and expensive items. You knew the risks taking those items into battle. You've been around long enough to know that lag sometimes bites you in the ass.
CCPs policy is far too relaxed as it is now. I see people all the time lose their ships and then you got 10 people telling them exactly what to put in the petition and they get it all back too.
All I got from your post is this from you Aelius. "I lost my expensive ship and I want it back cause ive been playing so long. Give it back CCP or ill resort to blackmail."
File your petition and hope you get it back.
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zincol
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:36:00 -
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heh gm's work in very strange ways...
We killed this guy in a megat full on faction fittings in a bubble like 5mins b4 DT he petitioned and got it replaced as he logged back in after dt,he was killed fairly and his ship was replaced,we pettioned this also as the owner was bragging and the gms admitted they made a mistake but let him keep his ship...was a major bummer tbh....
Its a shame to hear u lost ure ship to lagg/bug it happens to most,sorry to hear ure not so lucky to get it replaced by the GM Replacment Lottery System.
G/l and enjoy ure stay in eve as our logs do not show such actions. 
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:46:00 -
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It is very difficult to know the context in which you lost your ship. I wouldn't be suprised to learn that 9 out of 10 petitions are frivolous and false, including yours. It is strange indeed how CTDs happen at just that moment when a player chooses to engage with his 4 billion ship.
MY advice: loss of connection is a possibility because no computer system can be guaranteed to work 100% of the time (even the Space Shuttle's systems). You chose to risk a 4 billion ship against NPC's - and lost. If you can't afford to lose it, don't use it.
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Jamius
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:50:00 -
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Aelius,
I have already quit Eve (my account runs till February 2006) due to exactly what you talk about. My loss was not as great as yours and happened due to a very different bug but it was still a significant loss I took. But I quit on priciple, not the size of my loss.
Ironically I am having the best time I've ever had in Eve at the moment but I still won't give another penny to CCP as I feel very badly treated as a customer. And remember that everyone - YOU ARE A CUSTOMER!
I hope you don't quit like I have had to and good luck with this.
PS - I was in NBSI too when I had my incident. How goes it with the alliance?
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:51:00 -
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I've had the exact same problem in the exact same region Aelius. The answer I've gotten each time is different, and it's always been the exact same problem happening, an oh so fantastic CTD as entering a belt before you can get your tank running. The latest answer I received was that it's not CCPs fault, and if its not your ISP, then its one of the many steps between CCP's server and your computer, hence they cannot help you and hope you recover swiftly, though don't hesitate to contact them again because they're so happy to have helped you.
Volt
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:57:00 -
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I know very well of this... Sometimes it does look as random judgments... Sometimes I even feel that the GM's a pro caerbears too when someone logs of in the mid of combat and then there apears to be no aggro timer!!? Or a faction bs logs of in combat and petitions hes stuck and gets moved by a gm b4 they probe him out!?
Alot of stuff like this is bound to happen in a big game like eve - hope they try to keep it at a minimum.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:00:00 -
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962 Shield HP boost for less than 200 cap, 11K shields, 61,75% and above resistances to all dmg types, 7 cruiser launchers II with BCU II.
Now tell me how can a 2 BS + 3 frigates Guristas spawn kill this ship without me having a CTD disconnect with "victoria station blown up" error?!
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Finix Jaeger on 27/11/2005 19:00:42
lost a Friday due to a CTD this wednesday, I'm not even going to bother with a petition...
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Rover Vitesse > Finix, i am not going to go all the way tonight |
sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:06:00 -
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only use what u can afford to loose as they say for 4B u could have brought something like 25 battleships fully fitted with loot. Eye well some ppl insist on taking their fully kitted dark blood battleship out with full battleship mods NPCing and they insist on taking a full kit of +5 implants and +5 dmg implants (or high grade pirate implants) out for a spin in their uninsured battleship - then they loose to CTD and meh start again or just vanish. It happens has happeend to me and u loose it so be it
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Tekka
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:09:00 -
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Aelius I know how you feel, I lost my CNR BPC and a Gist X-Type to a cloaking bug and I fought with the GMs for a month and I gave up. I was even able to reproduce the bug. They have their mind made up and look like I will not be getting the BPC back, but life goes on 
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: MysticNZ on 27/11/2005 19:15:45
 Originally by: Olza Harp
Originally by: Aelius
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I'm not going to discuss GM talks or anything but lets just say i just lost a 4Bil ship to CTD NPCing. You figure out the rest.
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EVE is a nice game - it is not WoW.
Ship-Kill/Death is really a pain but this makes the difference.
(Btw., what I'm missing is Perma-Death  )
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...do it only, if you can afford it...
And what is your point here? He didn't lose it in PVP, he lost it to a bug. Stop being a fanboy.
Wait till you lose something like this and come crying here.
Originally by: Nyphur
I'm hungry and naked. That answer your question?
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 27/11/2005 19:34:42
Sorry for your loss <-- sincerity
GM Replacement Lottery 4tw \o/ <-- sarcasm
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2005.11.28 00:58:00 -
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That annoying:
Due to our current tools, we could not trace back the error on our server, so we cannot reinburse your [place ship here].
Comme on GM, get together and ask more reliable tools !! Dev at CCP said something, post a BLOG !
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BP n bugs
Got a new idea ?
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2005.11.28 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: BloodSpoon on 28/11/2005 01:10:02
What i find to be the WORST thing about this stuff is the automated messages they use to refuse compensation......
now i'm not talking about the thing saying we're still busy and we'll get to your petition as soon as possible....
i'm talking about the one they stick in if they cna't do anything and i've gotten the same message several times and i've always asked for a different message, one time i flipped and started cursing and swearing at them (FYI that doesn't work don't try), i'm not going to mention anything more specific or names because thats agains the rules :(
but i beg of ya change the damn message
EDIT: if anything in this post is agianst the rules plz just erase, as i trie dto keep it within the boundaries
"ooooohh theres nothing wrong with killer robots from venus" |
Omniwar
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Posted - 2005.11.28 01:22:00 -
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gimme 2 billions and I'll kick a GM in the butt in real life 
Spawn of the Devil
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2005.11.28 01:32:00 -
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hehe
on a more serious note GM's are very nice people tho, just doing their job as instructed
"ooooohh theres nothing wrong with killer robots from venus" |
Cerberal
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Posted - 2005.11.28 03:01:00 -
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Loss in eve is a lot like sex in real life.
If you get too much of it, you start to become numb to it.
If you havent had it happen in months, you become an utter ass (negative and edgy in the case of sex, overconfident and an utter ***** in local smacktalk for eve).
I remember my first battleship loss, god i was such a virgin.
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EchoTheDolphin
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Posted - 2005.11.28 03:05:00 -
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Honestly, CTD deaths are kindof like logging in the middle of combat deaths, since the timeout is the same length of time for both, weren't you going to die anyway?
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ToezeN
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Posted - 2005.11.28 06:13:00 -
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Good job ccp
Too many ppl claiming CTD cost them ther ship! when they are really loggin to try safe it! just like when loggin in PVP
This madness gotta stop..
To the OP dont you think is funny when the rats goes rough J/K
sure its a heavy loss, but leet ships die to rats aswell, even to CTD, CTD does not meen its a serverside problem, maybe its your hardwear!?
well iam out, back to mining.. care to join? |
Franky B
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Posted - 2005.11.28 07:17:00 -
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if it was his harware, i doubt that eve would be the only thing to crash...
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.11.28 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Amaron Ghant on 28/11/2005 07:40:39
Years Playing the game - 2
Ship loss petitions - 2
Ships returned - 2
Success rate 100%
Maybe your threats fell on deaf ears, where my requests did not.
P.S I always include an MSD file with my petitions |
Tony Fats
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Posted - 2005.11.28 08:06:00 -
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Its the man who make the money. The money don't make the man.
Pick yourself up and move on.
There will be other CN Ravens.
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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2005.11.28 08:12:00 -
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play with expensive toys expect expensive losses, lag death is annoying, but it is neither unpredicatble or unexpected inthe current game environment, so do as i do , leave your really really expensive ships in the hanger for now and take a tier 2 bship, with +20% named gear, much less painfull when you die.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.11.28 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cerberal
Loss in eve is a lot like sex in real life.
If you get too much of it, you start to become numb to it.
If it's making you numb, you aren't doing it right. 
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Matthew Johnson
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Posted - 2005.11.28 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: DHU InMe
That annoying:
Due to our current tools, we could not trace back the error on our server, so we cannot reinburse your [place ship here].[/b]
Things that can also disconnect you without CCPs fault:
Your PC has a problem.
Your routher has a problem.
The connection to your ISP has a problem.
Your ISP has a problem.
Some routher between your ISP and CCP has a problem.
CCPs ISP has a problem.
Ever thought about somebody others fault than CCPs?
+++ Trade...good for you, good for me +++ |
Matthew
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Posted - 2005.11.28 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Why do CCP launch such items like CN Raven and Gistti X-Type modules?! Are they damned to be pieces of forniture inside your hangar like "project entropia" style?!
No, they are supposed to be toys of the ludicrously rich, and completely impractical to use/lose in normal operations.
Originally by: Aelius
962 Shield HP boost for less than 200 cap, 11K shields, 61,75% and above resistances to all dmg types, 7 cruiser launchers II with BCU II.
Now tell me how can a 2 BS + 3 frigates Guristas spawn kill this ship without me having a CTD disconnect with "victoria station blown up" error?!
It's entirely possible to lose such a ship like that if it's flown by someone who doesn't know what they are doing. Now, I'm not saying that you are that bad, but some people are (even very old characters, especially bearing in mind that they may no longer be being played by their original owner), and the GMs cannot be expected to know every player in eve and their skill level.
Originally by: BloodSpoon
i'm talking about the one they stick in if they cna't do anything and i've gotten the same message several times and i've always asked for a different message
Why should they need a different message for saying the same thing? Do you really want the GMs to spend time composing a unique way of saying "sorry we can't help" for every petition they can't help with? The less time they have to spend retyping generic messages, the more time they have to properly investigate your petition.
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There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines. |
Haggislander
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Posted - 2005.11.28 09:16:00 -
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Nice isk sink CCP
Don;t listen to these complainers. Odds are they messed up and logged
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2005.11.28 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tresh Keen on 28/11/2005 11:35:52
just my two cents - if you dont want to loose modules - then store it in your hangar! If you think you lost your ship because of lag - try a petition and wait. If the responsable person think your right - you get you ship and modules back - if not, then you lost your ship because of your fault. If you lost you ship because if a bug - hmm, if ccp cant see any error in theyre logs - should they believe you or not? And i hope the reason was not the cap display - then i would been dead quite ;-).
Cheers, Tresh
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2005.11.28 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
962 Shield HP boost for less than 200 cap, 11K shields, 61,75% and above resistances to all dmg types, 7 cruiser launchers II with BCU II.
Now tell me how can a 2 BS + 3 frigates Guristas spawn kill this ship without me having a CTD disconnect with "victoria station blown up" error?!
thats very easy - you where at the telefone, bath room, sleeping in front of the pc, reading in forums....
hmm, with 61.75% resistance you should not loose your bs to NPC when you get disconnected... My bs is much weaker and i did not lost it after disconnection.
I hope there is a solution for that and sometimes i would like to see official comments about some cases - why or why not is something replaced....
Cheers, Tresh
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