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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:16:00 -
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In the moment i'm a VERY hangry EVE costumer 
I'm not going to discuss GM talks or anything but lets just say i just lost a 4Bil ship to CTD NPCing. You figure out the rest.
Who is the owner of the game CCP or the GM's team? Why can't GM's use common sense even if their laking tools show nothing?! Isn't time that CCP changes his policy when problem happen outside PVP. I feel that the only afected person in this matter is me.
Can please GM's have better tools to foundament their decisions upon?
I fully undertand and compreend the GM's, because they have rules to follow and prolly crapy tools too. What i can't understand is how and why CCP lets a 2 and an half paying costumer on the verge of quiting the game by enforcing such hard "loss against NPC" policy.
To whom shall i write to show my great unsactifation? Someone that knows something about getting costumers happy. Someone on CCP's comercial costumer area.
For me EVE is the best game i've played in my entire life, i may love the game but i'm also entitled to feel unrespected as a costumer, and if i feel that i can and i will do the thing that my conscience tell me too.
Others may or already have made that decision.
Please do not rant this thread.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:21:00 -
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hangry?.
d solo.
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AdriaLima
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:22:00 -
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If you quit can i have your stuff? 
Seriously though it must be really hard taking a loss like that.
I dunno to whom you could write cause all you got is ccp and gm's ..and i think thats bout it. 
You're right though that things like loss due to lag isnt confirmed or acknowleged which is a bit lame.
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Zac Paris
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:22:00 -
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 Originally by: darth solo
hangry?.
d solo.
I'm guessing it's a cross between really hungry and being angry about it.
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Callisto Augustus
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:23:00 -
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Hangry? Maybe you should eat a sammich...
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madaluap
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 27/11/2005 15:23:47
hangry is that the new 1337?
**** happens
edit+WAIT now i know, hangry is kinda chinese-english, like harro :D
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:24:00 -
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I'd suggest writing a very Blunt but honest account to a games magazine...
There always looking for story's, good or bad, and it'll grab CCP by the short and curlies when someone brings it to their attention they are receiving bad publicity. You wont get anything useful from petitioning it to higher authorities unless you threaten slightly.
If you've ever had problems with anyone providing a half-arsed service, you should know this already.
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There was a siggy here...
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:31:00 -
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Hey, winnig from npc's is way too easy as it is, random losses that cant be reimbursed at least keep it somewhat exiting
Nah j/k, sorry bout your loss, I hope you can get up on your feet again without too much trouble...
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Power to the players !
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:40:00 -
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Ok my english sucks... does that make less right?!
I don't want to threat CCP or anyone about anything, i'm just trying to make EVE a better game. This is not your regular "i quit" thread threat. This is more a "Open your eyes CCP" thread.
I love EVE as a GAME and i don't have bad feelings upon the game itself, or his comunity. I only have bad feeling upon some policys that need to be chanced. NPCing CTD is one thing and PVP CTD is another. If i had my ship back no one would get hurt, if i had lost it due to PVP and CTD i wouln't be posting anything because i could be ruining the game for someone else.
Why do CCP launch such items like CN Raven and Gistti X-Type modules?! Are they damned to be pieces of forniture inside your hangar like "project entropia" style?!
If these items exist they are meant to be flown and used, and not rotten inside an hangar.
IF i quit i would like to auction my stuff and my char for RL money and then CCP or someone entitled would give that money to charity. It would be a shame letting a 36M char dead in EVE without giving a meaning to his 2 and a half years life. I'm not sure if this is possible or not...
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
... I hope you can get up on your feet again without too much trouble...
Hang on a moment... I'm sure I've seen that somewhere before
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There was a siggy here...
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slothe
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:40:00 -
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ive lost 2 bs and one ishtar to lag and ccp problems. when i lost the ishtar i had a log that showed id jumped out of the system (that iwas killed in) before i was killed yet i still didnt get re-imbursed.
v annoying at the time.
i dont mind losing ships but not to bugs thats just annoying.
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:42:00 -
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I always try to fly with a partner to avoid this happening to me. If it's not Eve crashing it's my ISP spazzing out 
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:49:00 -
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BTW, what ****es me off more in this all thing is that this beautifull piece of hardware didn't had a gloryfing death. I've taken it to some PVP areas before as NBSI, F-E and PA may state for.
I just wish it had been destroyed there, in PVP, in battle, not like this... 
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Ok my english sucks... does that make less right?!
I don't want to threat CCP or anyone about anything, i'm just trying to make EVE a better game. This is not your regular "i quit" thread threat. This is more a "Open your eyes CCP" thread.
Yea, thats what I mean. It happenes, CCP know about it. The only way to make them "Open their eyes" is if you threaten them with something that would damage them more than just letting you post on a forum.
If you want anyone to do something about this, you have to push them EVERY step of the way, otherwise they'll just let it be. If threatening them with something (like your withdrawl of subscription) doesn't take your fancy, reply to the GM's descision asking for it to be taken to a more senior one.
If it was just a crappy requent, run-of-the-mill CTD though, this wont go anywhere.
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There was a siggy here...
Where did I put that damned thing... |
Dracolich
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Posted - 2005.11.27 15:55:00 -
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If people get their ships back or not, seems very random indeed. I must have lost a dusin bs this way. And only twice have I gotten it back.
Feel and know your your pain, mate.
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Olza Harp
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
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I'm not going to discuss GM talks or anything but lets just say i just lost a 4Bil ship to CTD NPCing. You figure out the rest.
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EVE is a nice game - it is not WoW.
Ship-Kill/Death is really a pain but this makes the difference.
(Btw., what I'm missing is Perma-Death  )
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:04:00 -
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OFFICIAL STATEMENT
I'm here by swearing to everyone in EVE that IF i get my ship back i will set course to enemy territory without IJBM and end it all there. If it must be destroyed at least it will be with a bang. That way i can be prowd to give someone the satisfaction of killing a CN Raven with Gistii X-type Modules.
END OF STATEMENT
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fisho
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:31:00 -
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cheese?
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n00b script0r
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:32:00 -
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hands out some more cheese
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:32:00 -
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Need a Tissue?
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MarkyP
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
OFFICIAL STATEMENT
That way i can be prowd to give someone the satisfaction of killing a CN Raven with Gistii X-type Modules.
END OF STATEMENT
Sympathy, dropping, away, fast...........
I know *PLENTY* of 2 y/o characters that have never even FLOWN a CN Raven, let alone owned one fitted with Gisti modules!!!
I am amazed its only been mentioned so briefly in this thread, but ANY player who has any experience of EVE, knows that if you cant afford to lose it, dont click on the "Undock" button.
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Please do not rant this thread.
Kinda broke your own rules with the original post?
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Hollborn
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:35:00 -
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Want some cheese?
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:35:00 -
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/me hands over the cheese..
--thoth
[5],
ex-Curse Alliance
ex-DSMA |
Tiny Carlos
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Callisto Augustus
Hangry? Maybe you should eat a sammich...
Maybe some....cheese?
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hezitationkillz
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:36:00 -
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Cheese? i prefer spam when im hangry
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.11.27 16:37:00 -
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I'm thinking that this thread isn't overly serious.. because I don't remember any of Aelius' former posts being like this.. unless he sold his character :O
Originally by: Noriath
Duct tape is like the force, it has a dark side, a light side, and it holds the universe together...
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Udat
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Posted - 2005.11.27 17:36:00 -
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I've tidied the thread up a little. If you do not have anything constructive to say then please do not post. I will be watching this thread to ensure that noone starts ranting.
/me goes back to hiding in the bushes 
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:01:00 -
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if you were alway sguaranteed toget it back we woudl all be npcing in 4 bil worth of ship
ORC is recruiting players now !! |
Galk
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:03:00 -
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I would suggest you go through the proper channels.
The same rules bound us all, as iv'e seen many times on this board, we are constantly told that complaining about our loses on the board because of the intial, or be it final gm decission does not help the process of adjudication, or nor will it have effect on reversing it.
I for one wait for 'better tools' as they have been called.
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When they asked me if i knew you, id smile and say you were a friend of mine.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:18:00 -
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i've lost COUNTLESS BS's and HAC's to this problem, you'd thinky by now they'd find someway of tracking what happens, or change the npc ctd rules..(the problem with this would be they wouldn't be able to track whats a disconnect and whats ctrl+Q, when they get in trouble at a big spawn)
the funny thing is sometimes i'll have my alt logged in at the same time and if i CTD.....my character doesn't go offline til 10 minutes after the CTD..which is quite odd but thats rare occasion
"ooooohh theres nothing wrong with killer robots from venus" |
Captain Brownfinger
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:32:00 -
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No. No reimbursements of your ship and expensive items. You knew the risks taking those items into battle. You've been around long enough to know that lag sometimes bites you in the ass.
CCPs policy is far too relaxed as it is now. I see people all the time lose their ships and then you got 10 people telling them exactly what to put in the petition and they get it all back too.
All I got from your post is this from you Aelius. "I lost my expensive ship and I want it back cause ive been playing so long. Give it back CCP or ill resort to blackmail."
File your petition and hope you get it back.
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zincol
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:36:00 -
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heh gm's work in very strange ways...
We killed this guy in a megat full on faction fittings in a bubble like 5mins b4 DT he petitioned and got it replaced as he logged back in after dt,he was killed fairly and his ship was replaced,we pettioned this also as the owner was bragging and the gms admitted they made a mistake but let him keep his ship...was a major bummer tbh....
Its a shame to hear u lost ure ship to lagg/bug it happens to most,sorry to hear ure not so lucky to get it replaced by the GM Replacment Lottery System.
G/l and enjoy ure stay in eve as our logs do not show such actions.
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:46:00 -
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It is very difficult to know the context in which you lost your ship. I wouldn't be suprised to learn that 9 out of 10 petitions are frivolous and false, including yours. It is strange indeed how CTDs happen at just that moment when a player chooses to engage with his 4 billion ship.
MY advice: loss of connection is a possibility because no computer system can be guaranteed to work 100% of the time (even the Space Shuttle's systems). You chose to risk a 4 billion ship against NPC's - and lost. If you can't afford to lose it, don't use it.
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Jamius
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:50:00 -
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Aelius,
I have already quit Eve (my account runs till February 2006) due to exactly what you talk about. My loss was not as great as yours and happened due to a very different bug but it was still a significant loss I took. But I quit on priciple, not the size of my loss.
Ironically I am having the best time I've ever had in Eve at the moment but I still won't give another penny to CCP as I feel very badly treated as a customer. And remember that everyone - YOU ARE A CUSTOMER!
I hope you don't quit like I have had to and good luck with this.
PS - I was in NBSI too when I had my incident. How goes it with the alliance?
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:51:00 -
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I've had the exact same problem in the exact same region Aelius. The answer I've gotten each time is different, and it's always been the exact same problem happening, an oh so fantastic CTD as entering a belt before you can get your tank running. The latest answer I received was that it's not CCPs fault, and if its not your ISP, then its one of the many steps between CCP's server and your computer, hence they cannot help you and hope you recover swiftly, though don't hesitate to contact them again because they're so happy to have helped you.
Volt
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:57:00 -
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I know very well of this... Sometimes it does look as random judgments... Sometimes I even feel that the GM's a pro caerbears too when someone logs of in the mid of combat and then there apears to be no aggro timer!!? Or a faction bs logs of in combat and petitions hes stuck and gets moved by a gm b4 they probe him out!?
Alot of stuff like this is bound to happen in a big game like eve - hope they try to keep it at a minimum.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:00:00 -
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962 Shield HP boost for less than 200 cap, 11K shields, 61,75% and above resistances to all dmg types, 7 cruiser launchers II with BCU II.
Now tell me how can a 2 BS + 3 frigates Guristas spawn kill this ship without me having a CTD disconnect with "victoria station blown up" error?!
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Finix Jaeger on 27/11/2005 19:00:42
lost a Friday due to a CTD this wednesday, I'm not even going to bother with a petition...
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:06:00 -
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only use what u can afford to loose as they say for 4B u could have brought something like 25 battleships fully fitted with loot. Eye well some ppl insist on taking their fully kitted dark blood battleship out with full battleship mods NPCing and they insist on taking a full kit of +5 implants and +5 dmg implants (or high grade pirate implants) out for a spin in their uninsured battleship - then they loose to CTD and meh start again or just vanish. It happens has happeend to me and u loose it so be it
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Tekka
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:09:00 -
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Aelius I know how you feel, I lost my CNR BPC and a Gist X-Type to a cloaking bug and I fought with the GMs for a month and I gave up. I was even able to reproduce the bug. They have their mind made up and look like I will not be getting the BPC back, but life goes on 
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: MysticNZ on 27/11/2005 19:15:45
Originally by: Olza Harp
Originally by: Aelius
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I'm not going to discuss GM talks or anything but lets just say i just lost a 4Bil ship to CTD NPCing. You figure out the rest.
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EVE is a nice game - it is not WoW.
Ship-Kill/Death is really a pain but this makes the difference.
(Btw., what I'm missing is Perma-Death )
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...do it only, if you can afford it...
And what is your point here? He didn't lose it in PVP, he lost it to a bug. Stop being a fanboy.
Wait till you lose something like this and come crying here.
Originally by: Nyphur
I'm hungry and naked. That answer your question?
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.11.27 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 27/11/2005 19:34:42
Sorry for your loss <-- sincerity
GM Replacement Lottery 4tw \o/ <-- sarcasm
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2005.11.28 00:58:00 -
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That annoying:
Due to our current tools, we could not trace back the error on our server, so we cannot reinburse your [place ship here].
Comme on GM, get together and ask more reliable tools !! Dev at CCP said something, post a BLOG !
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BP n bugs
Got a new idea ?
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2005.11.28 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: BloodSpoon on 28/11/2005 01:10:02
What i find to be the WORST thing about this stuff is the automated messages they use to refuse compensation......
now i'm not talking about the thing saying we're still busy and we'll get to your petition as soon as possible....
i'm talking about the one they stick in if they cna't do anything and i've gotten the same message several times and i've always asked for a different message, one time i flipped and started cursing and swearing at them (FYI that doesn't work don't try), i'm not going to mention anything more specific or names because thats agains the rules :(
but i beg of ya change the damn message
EDIT: if anything in this post is agianst the rules plz just erase, as i trie dto keep it within the boundaries
"ooooohh theres nothing wrong with killer robots from venus" |
Omniwar
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Posted - 2005.11.28 01:22:00 -
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gimme 2 billions and I'll kick a GM in the butt in real life
Spawn of the Devil
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2005.11.28 01:32:00 -
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hehe
on a more serious note GM's are very nice people tho, just doing their job as instructed
"ooooohh theres nothing wrong with killer robots from venus" |
Cerberal
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Posted - 2005.11.28 03:01:00 -
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Loss in eve is a lot like sex in real life.
If you get too much of it, you start to become numb to it.
If you havent had it happen in months, you become an utter ass (negative and edgy in the case of sex, overconfident and an utter ***** in local smacktalk for eve).
I remember my first battleship loss, god i was such a virgin.
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EchoTheDolphin
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Posted - 2005.11.28 03:05:00 -
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Honestly, CTD deaths are kindof like logging in the middle of combat deaths, since the timeout is the same length of time for both, weren't you going to die anyway?
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ToezeN
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Posted - 2005.11.28 06:13:00 -
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Good job ccp
Too many ppl claiming CTD cost them ther ship! when they are really loggin to try safe it! just like when loggin in PVP
This madness gotta stop..
To the OP dont you think is funny when the rats goes rough J/K
sure its a heavy loss, but leet ships die to rats aswell, even to CTD, CTD does not meen its a serverside problem, maybe its your hardwear!?
well iam out, back to mining.. care to join? |
Franky B
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Posted - 2005.11.28 07:17:00 -
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if it was his harware, i doubt that eve would be the only thing to crash...
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.11.28 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Amaron Ghant on 28/11/2005 07:40:39
Years Playing the game - 2
Ship loss petitions - 2
Ships returned - 2
Success rate 100%
Maybe your threats fell on deaf ears, where my requests did not.
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2005.11.28 08:06:00 -
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Its the man who make the money. The money don't make the man.
Pick yourself up and move on.
There will be other CN Ravens.
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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2005.11.28 08:12:00 -
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play with expensive toys expect expensive losses, lag death is annoying, but it is neither unpredicatble or unexpected inthe current game environment, so do as i do , leave your really really expensive ships in the hanger for now and take a tier 2 bship, with +20% named gear, much less painfull when you die.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.11.28 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cerberal
Loss in eve is a lot like sex in real life.
If you get too much of it, you start to become numb to it.
If it's making you numb, you aren't doing it right. 
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Matthew Johnson
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Posted - 2005.11.28 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: DHU InMe
That annoying:
Due to our current tools, we could not trace back the error on our server, so we cannot reinburse your [place ship here].[/b]
Things that can also disconnect you without CCPs fault:
Your PC has a problem.
Your routher has a problem.
The connection to your ISP has a problem.
Your ISP has a problem.
Some routher between your ISP and CCP has a problem.
CCPs ISP has a problem.
Ever thought about somebody others fault than CCPs?
+++ Trade...good for you, good for me +++ |
Matthew
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Posted - 2005.11.28 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Why do CCP launch such items like CN Raven and Gistti X-Type modules?! Are they damned to be pieces of forniture inside your hangar like "project entropia" style?!
No, they are supposed to be toys of the ludicrously rich, and completely impractical to use/lose in normal operations.
Originally by: Aelius
962 Shield HP boost for less than 200 cap, 11K shields, 61,75% and above resistances to all dmg types, 7 cruiser launchers II with BCU II.
Now tell me how can a 2 BS + 3 frigates Guristas spawn kill this ship without me having a CTD disconnect with "victoria station blown up" error?!
It's entirely possible to lose such a ship like that if it's flown by someone who doesn't know what they are doing. Now, I'm not saying that you are that bad, but some people are (even very old characters, especially bearing in mind that they may no longer be being played by their original owner), and the GMs cannot be expected to know every player in eve and their skill level.
Originally by: BloodSpoon
i'm talking about the one they stick in if they cna't do anything and i've gotten the same message several times and i've always asked for a different message
Why should they need a different message for saying the same thing? Do you really want the GMs to spend time composing a unique way of saying "sorry we can't help" for every petition they can't help with? The less time they have to spend retyping generic messages, the more time they have to properly investigate your petition.
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Haggislander
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Posted - 2005.11.28 09:16:00 -
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Nice isk sink CCP
Don;t listen to these complainers. Odds are they messed up and logged
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2005.11.28 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tresh Keen on 28/11/2005 11:35:52
just my two cents - if you dont want to loose modules - then store it in your hangar! If you think you lost your ship because of lag - try a petition and wait. If the responsable person think your right - you get you ship and modules back - if not, then you lost your ship because of your fault. If you lost you ship because if a bug - hmm, if ccp cant see any error in theyre logs - should they believe you or not? And i hope the reason was not the cap display - then i would been dead quite ;-).
Cheers, Tresh
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2005.11.28 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
962 Shield HP boost for less than 200 cap, 11K shields, 61,75% and above resistances to all dmg types, 7 cruiser launchers II with BCU II.
Now tell me how can a 2 BS + 3 frigates Guristas spawn kill this ship without me having a CTD disconnect with "victoria station blown up" error?!
thats very easy - you where at the telefone, bath room, sleeping in front of the pc, reading in forums....
hmm, with 61.75% resistance you should not loose your bs to NPC when you get disconnected... My bs is much weaker and i did not lost it after disconnection.
I hope there is a solution for that and sometimes i would like to see official comments about some cases - why or why not is something replaced....
Cheers, Tresh
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Bohoba
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Posted - 2005.11.28 12:05:00 -
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I know what your feeling m8. I lost 3 ravens in the past week npcing, and lost connection. I go to log back in and sit at entering space screen for 5-10 min while the ship gets destroyed. as soon as I am in a pod it will continue to log in very frustrating to say the least. one time I even had my second account warp to to the belt to try and save him but was 180K away by the time I got in range it was to late :( as the pod warps away.
thing is when this happens I do not show that I am offline I am still in corp chat and in local just odd I think and that may be why ccp can't see anything wrong because we are still showing as logged in.
Oh well one day they may see the light
hehe got startrek coming online in 2007 lol
Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all |
Aelius
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Posted - 2005.11.28 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 28/11/2005 12:10:24
Originally by: Tresh Keen
Originally by: Aelius
962 Shield HP boost for less than 200 cap, 11K shields, 61,75% and above resistances to all dmg types, 7 cruiser launchers II with BCU II.
Now tell me how can a 2 BS + 3 frigates Guristas spawn kill this ship without me having a CTD disconnect with "victoria station blown up" error?!
thats very easy - you where at the telefone, bath room, sleeping in front of the pc, reading in forums....
hmm, with 61.75% resistance you should not loose your bs to NPC when you get disconnected... My bs is much weaker and i did not lost it after disconnection.
I hope there is a solution for that and sometimes i would like to see official comments about some cases - why or why not is something replaced....
Cheers, Tresh
When i got disconnected i was in warp to belt with all hardeners on and 100% shields, i was even talking with a mate on local. The i got that "victoria station blown up" message. I've tryed to relog and i get "entering game as Aelius" screen for 10 minuts. Then i log in with my alt and he logs almost instantaneously (so this wasn't my disconeting, ISP or some bullsh.. problem). Then i get back and log with Aelius again and i get 10 minuts "entering game as Aelius" screen, then i find myself in a pod. I wasn't AFK not even 1 second.
Now if GM's logs don't show these steps i made, then they must have very very CRAPY ASS tools.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.11.28 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Bohoba
I know what your feeling m8. I lost 3 ravens in the past week npcing, and lost connection. I go to log back in and sit at entering space screen for 5-10 min while the ship gets destroyed. as soon as I am in a pod it will continue to log in very frustrating to say the least. one time I even had my second account warp to to the belt to try and save him but was 180K away by the time I got in range it was to late :( as the pod warps away.
thing is when this happens I do not show that I am offline I am still in corp chat and in local just odd I think and that may be why ccp can't see anything wrong because we are still showing as logged in.
Oh well one day they may see the light
hehe got startrek coming online in 2007 lol
EXACTLY what happen to me mate, now tell me CCP its EVERY TIME our fault?! It seems i'm NOT the only one happening this crap. Don't blame the players for your bad code and bad GM tools. Oh and BTW, i'm not a lier. Once a long time ago i had a raven replaced and the GM's forgot to take the insurance out of my wallet. I petition back and reminded them of that so they would take the insurance money. They thanked me for my honesty. Now this is the pay i have
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.28 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
The i got that "victoria station blown up" message.
I can't see how that wouldn't be logged.
The GM's should certainly pass this up to the Devs. If this is a message which the GM's system does not log it should be added. It rules out the problem being on your end as it is an internal network error (if I understood how it was explained previously).
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2005.11.28 12:22:00 -
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Heh, had some rather bad expirience with the gm's myself,
my loss was a LOT smaller though, just a crow, but still:
fact 1: once the server detects that you are no longer connected,
your ship automatically warps to a random spot.
fact 2: a crow, being an interceptor, enters warp -very- fast.
situation: i scout for a corpmate in my crow, i insta to a gate,
the gate has one npc bs, two npc cruisers, zero players.
the npc's did -not- aggro, nor did i.
my isp goes haywire,
i get disconnected and i am unable to login for a couple of minutes.
i finally manage to log in, only to find myself in a pod,
killmail shows that only npcs have killed me.
the outcome of my reimbursement petition can easily be guessed,
seems that they keep/make no logs, or something of such nature.
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2005.11.28 12:30:00 -
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i am sorry for your loss but in the two plus years ive been playing i have lossed much. it is just part of the game a bab part but just a part none the less. ranting to a game mag is silly. insure your ships and when you npc you use the lowest costing mods you got . but being angy and such will never help. go on and play with a friend good luck
talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2005.11.28 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: BurnHard
You chose to risk a 4 billion ship against NPC's - and lost. If you can't afford to lose it, don't use it.
Actually, given the ship layout and his purported skill the ONLY risk involved was exactly what he claim happened, ctd / network error.
CCP's responsability is to run the game universe in such a way that the risk is NOT from such issues, but rather from the other players / NPC actions.
The OP should hardly be called upon to bear such a heavy burden because of CCP's continuing inability to satisfy there responsability to the customers.
Now, regardless of weather or not he gets his ship back there does seem to be a certain need for increased logging to better track issues during this period of insane lag, though doing so might in fact increase the lag.
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.11.28 13:09:00 -
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While I can imagine that losing 4 Bn isk to a CTD is going to really suck, I can't say I would prefer a system where people losing their faction ships when they make a mistake NPCing by pulling the plug and then complaining of a CTD. To the server, both of these look the same, but only one should be reimbursed. How are the GMs supposed to know which is which?
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.11.28 13:17:00 -
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If you're gonna whine about losing a 4 bill ship then dont fly one.
That is all.
Having to live on, one knows better than to value life too much.
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2005.11.28 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Tresh Keen on 28/11/2005 13:28:07
Originally by: Aelius
EXACTLY what happen to me mate, now tell me CCP its EVERY TIME our fault?! It seems i'm NOT the only one happening this crap. Don't blame the players for your bad code and bad GM tools. Oh and BTW, i'm not a lier.
So you lost yor ship not because of the disconnection, your ship survived that - its because of the long login. I had that once on the test server, about 8 Month ago.
Cheers, Tresh
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Invisible Touch
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Posted - 2005.11.28 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Invisible Touch on 28/11/2005 13:58:26
Sorry about your mishap m8
For all who havent met Aelius ever, he's no whinner, I have seen his CNR in numerous pvp occasions.
I cant quote or discuss GM's answers to similar problems I have experienced along with some corpmates.
It seems though that sometimes ships remain in belts practically forever, and some other times ships reappear in belts while we are still in the login screen.
I understand (and support) GMs not reimbursing ships lost in fleet engagements due to lag etc. but this is a totally different issue. Imho logs show that ships are lost while entering belts and being totally inactive. They probably dont know what happens on our side though (i.e. if we are afk or simply cant see and do a thing) and that where the problem resides.
What i do, is check from the login screen if the ship is alive (easy to check by just looking at isk), and if handy ask a friend to check things out for me. There are cases though, where you have to clean the cache asap, log another character, and back, rinse and repeat until ship finally shows up.
To sum things up, you warp to a belt, you ctd, you try to log back, you wait for system to load 4ever, u r dead. Sometimes you get reimbursed, sometimes not.
I wish someone could explain us the difference, and/or what we should do in such cases.
Until then, my CNR stays docked.
P.S. I dunno if this happened in the V7 area, but that area is heavily bugged. It has been like that for more than 6 months afaik.
All of the above are personal views/opinions only and not that of my corp or/and alliance
Every day we stand is another day for PA.
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Zantazar
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Posted - 2005.11.28 14:09:00 -
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I have just read the entire posts on this subject. i must admit, I cannot understand how some of you take the view "Hard Luck ... do not fly what you cannot afford etc. etc." if the problem is down to CCP, of course he should be reimbursed.
The game is like a product, you fly a ship and lose a battle and lose the ship, you have "broken" the product, you fly a ship, and a manufacturer's fault causes you to lose a battle and lose the ship, they are responsible for recouping your loss. I fail to understand any contrary view to that universally accepted philosophy.
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Plan Neun
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Posted - 2005.11.28 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Plan Neun on 28/11/2005 14:20:26
CCP do re-imburst ships and modules in npc combats or dead space combats.
I had a ship I moved from place a to b, the hole ship vanished
and I fainted 
in a special lifesuite on the other side.
Concord found me floating beside the gate and saved my life with a medic ship that just popped up beside me, or maybe I was seeing things.
However they want an accurate event description on the event.
Another thing such a petition takes days, so you gotta be patient.
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.11.28 14:29:00 -
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And this is why I use cheap NPCing ships, that can tank enemies indefinitely, or at least for two minutes.
Dominix 4tw.
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MarkX
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Posted - 2005.11.28 15:48:00 -
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I feel like quitting at least once a week.
I rarely CTD, but the lag has gotten so bad, its hitting any system. I personally have only lost 3 ships to lag, but my CEO has lost 10 Ravens (4 of which have been reimbursed) and he was kicked off the node during our war, lost a 1.4bil pod of implants.
Now if you pay $15 a month, you would expect a server to work, correct? For the love of god, suck it up and SHARD
Sorry for your loss bud :(
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.11.28 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zantazar
I have just read the entire posts on this subject. i must admit, I cannot understand how some of you take the view "Hard Luck ... do not fly what you cannot afford etc. etc." if the problem is down to CCP, of course he should be reimbursed.
Because people have lost more ships than you can imagine and they can't be bothered to file a petition anymore because getting a ship back is like winning the lottery?
Having to live on, one knows better than to value life too much.
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pk blinder
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Posted - 2005.11.28 17:05:00 -
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Tough luck mate.
It truly sucks to lose hard earned assets to out of game influences or in game bugs. The GMs are in my experience fair, but only replace ships & mods if they see issues on the server side.
TBH, I have given up ratting in a HAC. If you disconnect the chances of reconnecting and extracting yourself are negligible and the loss is too big.
A BS is a bit better, but not much. I am not even sure if your hardeners etc keep running, or if you do warp off, even if scrambled by rats? Answers on an eve card please.
PK
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Incusus
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Posted - 2005.11.28 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Incusus on 28/11/2005 17:16:42
I've lost ships during "node deaths" and all of my very reasonable petitions thus far have been ignored.
Nothing compared to your multi-billion isk beauty, but still it hurts to lose to NPC's during whats later officialy recognized as CCP's server issues.
Yeah, I hear you man. Lets hope CCP does too....
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Oisin
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Posted - 2005.11.28 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: BurnHard
It is very difficult to know the context in which you lost your ship. I wouldn't be suprised to learn that 9 out of 10 petitions are frivolous and false, including yours. It is strange indeed how CTDs happen at just that moment when a player chooses to engage with his 4 billion ship.
CTDs happen all the time. If you CTD in a station, there's no loss, which means no petition. If you CTD while your faction bs is being fired on, in shields with the armour tank turned off, or just while warping into a fight, damn right you'll petition if you lose that bs.
Originally by: BurnHard
MY advice: loss of connection is a possibility because no computer system can be guaranteed to work 100% of the time (even the Space Shuttle's systems).
Quoted for truth.
Originally by: BurnHard
You chose to risk a 4 billion ship against NPC's - and lost. If you can't afford to lose it, don't use it.
Wellll....... in that case I'll never undock in a battleship again.
If you don't take risks, you won't get the rewards. If you take risks and lose a ship in a fair fight (or a gank) you should take it like an adult as a learning experience. If you take risks, and lose a ship due to out-of-game factors such as lag, client CTD or an ISP disconnect, well then why not petition?
As for the GMs, my experience has been mixed - I lost a thorax when I logged in at a 10au safespot and the game instawarped me to a heavily camped gate - a clear bug, but no reimbursement. Then I lost a geddon to an ISP disconnect while npc hunting, not really CCP's fault but I had logs and got the loss reimbursed. No logic to it but I could have been a lot worse off. :)
Placid Reborn is Recruiting
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