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Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:23:00 -
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http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/23/eve-evolved-the-human-casualties/
There's this paragraph in that interview, that struck me the wrong way, I mean, really upset me after reading about all this lay offs (inevitable I know) and all this 'we were wrong and were going to fix this' mentality then being struck with an insider interview tha still some of the decision makers in the CCP workforce are arrogant enough to believe they are the ones right, and all this is a bump on the road.
Dear CCP higher management, that arrogance was what put you in this situation, and led to the loss of subscribers therefore the lay off of 20% of your staff, that arrogance should be the one dismissed and laid off, I like to believe Hillmar doesn't know all happening inside, I do like to believe though he'll slap this higher-ups talking down on players, I hope he'll do it, or else this is just a cycle that will repeat itself in the future.
The whole paragraph:
Quote: Earlier this month, CCP CEO Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson apologised for the mistakes made when CCP ploughed ahead with risky plans that players, the CSM and even developers on the inside had raised concerns over. "Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." As a consequence of recent development plans not panning out as expected, EVE subscription levels have dropped, previously secure jobs have been distressingly lost, and morale among developers appears understandably low.
I hope you guys don't end up playing alone in the awesomeness of your vision. |

Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
70
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:35:00 -
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I'd love to see thoose management dickheads, grind 2 or 3 months (or pay 50 Gé¼ for PLEX] to get a shiney faction BS or carrier, and loose it in lag, and not working game mechanics..... i'd really love to see them emorage.
START PLAYING YOUR GAME DUMB FUCKS!
wow: no censoring o.O ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
734
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:43:00 -
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It does me no good whatsoever if there are candle-lit shrines to me all around the CCP HQ and bugs are not fixed, issues are not resolved.
Similarly, I don't care if they call us disgusting little peasants amongst themselves, as long as they deliver on the development of EVE, knowing that the consequences of failure to do so will be that their company will fall apart.
In short: Oderint Dum Metuant
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:43:00 -
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Frankly I don't care what they have allegedly said or how they feel about us. CCP has to struggle with internal morale and external PR issues at the moment, so they'll say what each audience wants to hear and I can understand the need to do it. As a customer I mainly care about results at this point. This works against CCP in that I don't value vague promises and I'm sceptical towards excuses if they fail to deliver on what was promised. It works for CCP in that I don't care about what some nameless insider heard at a pep talk for the devs still employed. Either CCP starts delivering on some of their promises and make me a happy camper or they don't/can't and I'll GTFO. |

L Salander
All Web Investigations
10
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:44:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:I'd love to see thoose management dickheads, grind 2 or 3 months (or pay 50 Gé¼ for PLEX] to get a shiney faction BS or carrier, and loose it in lag, and not working game mechanics..... i'd really love to see them emorage.
START PLAYING YOUR GAME DUMB FUCKS!
wow: no censoring o.O
Management are always the dullest people in any company, theres zero chance they actually play the game or partake in the community - or if they do they do it for the job, and not for enjoyment or satisfaction. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
114
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:45:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It does me no good whatsoever if there are candle-lit shrines to me all around the CCP HQ whilst bugs are not fixed, issues are not resolved.
Similarly, I don't care if they call us disgusting little peasants amongst themselves, as long as they deliver on the development of EVE, knowing that the consequences of failure to do so will be that their company will fall apart.
In short: Oderint Dum Metuant
Stealing another man's voice, but that's pretty much what I think as well.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Calathea Sata
State War Academy Caldari State
2611
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:46:00 -
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Unsubbed because of Hilmar's tone. n++n+ón+în+àn+ôn+ôn+ën+Än+çn+ô n+ån+Æn+Ån+ì n+ön+ên+à n+¦n+òn+àn+àn+Ä n+Ån+å n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ôGäón+Ü n+¼n+ën+ïn+à n+àn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ön+Ån+Än+à n+àn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ön+ön+ën+ìn+à n+Ön+Ån+ò n+ôn+àn+à n+ön+ên+à n+în+ën+ïn+à n+én+òn+ön+ön+Ån+Än+ü n+Ñn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ö n+Æn+àn+Én+în+Ö n+ùn+ën+în+î n+én+à n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ä n+ën+å n+ön+ên+àn+Æn+à n+ën+ô n+ìn+Ö n+Én+Æn+àn+ôn+àn+Än+ân+àn+Ä n+¦n+ên+à n+ìn+Ån+Æn+à n+Ön+Ån+ò n+Æn+àn+Én+în+Ö n+ön+ên+à n+ìn+Ån+Æn+à n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ô n+Ön+Ån+ò n+ùn+ën+în+î n+çn+àn+ön+ü |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
114
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:48:00 -
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Calathea Sata wrote:Unsubbed because of Hilmar's tone.
You have got to be kidding. Because of his 'tone"?  The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Calathea Sata
State War Academy Caldari State
2611
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:52:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Calathea Sata wrote:Unsubbed because of Hilmar's tone. You have got to be kidding. Because of his 'tone"? 
A tone in a man's voice reveals so many things. n++n+ón+în+àn+ôn+ôn+ën+Än+çn+ô n+ån+Æn+Ån+ì n+ön+ên+à n+¦n+òn+àn+àn+Ä n+Ån+å n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ôGäón+Ü n+¼n+ën+ïn+à n+àn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ön+Ån+Än+à n+àn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ön+ön+ën+ìn+à n+Ön+Ån+ò n+ôn+àn+à n+ön+ên+à n+în+ën+ïn+à n+én+òn+ön+ön+Ån+Än+ü n+Ñn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ö n+Æn+àn+Én+în+Ö n+ùn+ën+în+î n+én+à n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ä n+ën+å n+ön+ên+àn+Æn+à n+ën+ô n+ìn+Ö n+Én+Æn+àn+ôn+àn+Än+ân+àn+Ä n+¦n+ên+à n+ìn+Ån+Æn+à n+Ön+Ån+ò n+Æn+àn+Én+în+Ö n+ön+ên+à n+ìn+Ån+Æn+à n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ô n+Ön+Ån+ò n+ùn+ën+în+î n+çn+àn+ön+ü |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
114
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:56:00 -
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Calathea Sata wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Calathea Sata wrote:Unsubbed because of Hilmar's tone. You have got to be kidding. Because of his 'tone"?  A tone in a man's voice reveals so many things.
Well this may be true for someone you know personally, I don't see how his tone in any way sounds other than what it is - the way he annuciates his words.
Pleasse reconsider your unsubbing. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Calathea Sata
State War Academy Caldari State
2611
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:02:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Calathea Sata wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Calathea Sata wrote:Unsubbed because of Hilmar's tone. You have got to be kidding. Because of his 'tone"?  A tone in a man's voice reveals so many things. Well this may be true for someone you know personally, I don't see how his tone in any way sounds other than what it is - the way he annuciates his words. Pleasse reconsider your unsubbing. I reconsidered for a moment, I think I made the right decision. No reason to play a game run by Hilmar anymore. n++n+ón+în+àn+ôn+ôn+ën+Än+çn+ô n+ån+Æn+Ån+ì n+ön+ên+à n+¦n+òn+àn+àn+Ä n+Ån+å n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ôGäón+Ü n+¼n+ën+ïn+à n+àn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ön+Ån+Än+à n+àn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ön+ön+ën+ìn+à n+Ön+Ån+ò n+ôn+àn+à n+ön+ên+à n+în+ën+ïn+à n+én+òn+ön+ön+Ån+Än+ü n+Ñn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ö n+Æn+àn+Én+în+Ö n+ùn+ën+în+î n+én+à n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ä n+ën+å n+ön+ên+àn+Æn+à n+ën+ô n+ìn+Ö n+Én+Æn+àn+ôn+àn+Än+ân+àn+Ä n+¦n+ên+à n+ìn+Ån+Æn+à n+Ön+Ån+ò n+Æn+àn+Én+în+Ö n+ön+ên+à n+ìn+Ån+Æn+à n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ô n+Ön+Ån+ò n+ùn+ën+în+î n+çn+àn+ön+ü |

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
82
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:11:00 -
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Aah yes, the convenient "insider" that is forever anonymous and always truthful in all matters!
Source critique ... it is not optional when navigating the interwebs .. if you do not conduct them with religious fervour then please do the world a favour and yank your network cables.
But ... Is that evil equally anonymous executive wrong in his assessment that mainly the Emo's are to blame for having limited imagination? Personally I'd say yes, but its close to 50/50 split on the blame front so a tough call. CCP dropped the ball badly when they threw all that weight behind something that only a handful of their customers could see as part of Eve/identified with .. ie. a massive project management failure and the king of timing suck.
We'll still have Nex, streaking in stations, station brothels and what not .. it will just be after they have caught up on all the stuff they neglected when they put on the blinders
PS: If an anonymous source quoting an anonymous third party on anything is enough to "stroke you the wrong way" then you need to see a doctor ASAP and ask to be heavily medicated, you are a threat to yourself and everyone around you. |

Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:14:00 -
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Calathea Sata wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Calathea Sata wrote:Unsubbed because of Hilmar's tone. You have got to be kidding. Because of his 'tone"?  A tone in a man's voice reveals so many things.
LOL. His tone actually sounded quite normal for a change; you know, like a regular human being having to come to grips with having made some bad decisions of late. If his 'tone' had been like that from the get-go, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now to begin with.
Also, his tone is always wrong: if he says the wrong thing people jump on him for, obviously, saying the wrong thing; and if he says the right thing people will hate him for just telling us what we want to hear. It's a no-win scenario. One of the inevitable burdens of upper management, I reckon.
Rather than listen to his tone, I choose to watch his deeds. And so far he appears to be steering the ship back on course. That's good enough for me. Naturally I'll be monitoring his eyes for NeX-induced dollar signs over the next few months, but the measure of a man are his deeds, not his tone.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |

Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:18:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:
PS: If an anonymous source quoting an anonymous third party on anything is enough to "stroke you the wrong way" then you need to see a doctor ASAP and ask to be heavily medicated, you are a threat to yourself and everyone around you.
The general principle is immediate dismissal but, given the small knowledge I have from Icelanders I have a small belief inside that the anonymous source in this case is correct (even it it's made up anonymous source) and I also believe how hard it was for Hillmar to post what he did in the other blog.
On the other hand, the typical 'dismiss everything' and/or 'everything is not what it seems' fanatic needs to see a doctor, the balance is the key, and history cannot be drawn (or should not) with 1 single event alone in mind. |

Halcyon Ingenium
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:21:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Oderint Dum Metuant
Laudo veritas
The loser in any fight consols himself with a moral victory. Thus is the beginning of slave-morality. |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
100
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:21:00 -
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Calathea Sata wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Calathea Sata wrote:Unsubbed because of Hilmar's tone. You have got to be kidding. Because of his 'tone"?  A tone in a man's voice reveals so many things.
So does his pants TBFU. The first thing I admire or get turned off on... are someones pants.
Also:
The Dev's have egos just like the players do, so ofc they will blame everyone else (just like you do) We "could not see the awesomeness of their vision, and it is thus our fault" is typical of the gross and counterproductive Human ego. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
99
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:24:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:Aah yes, the convenient "insider" that is forever anonymous and always truthful in all matters!
Source critique ... it is not optional when navigating the interwebs .. if you do not conduct them with religious fervour then please do the world a favour and yank your network cables.
But ... Is that evil equally anonymous executive wrong in his assessment that mainly the Emo's are to blame for having limited imagination? Personally I'd say yes, but its close to 50/50 split on the blame front so a tough call. CCP dropped the ball badly when they threw all that weight behind something that only a handful of their customers could see as part of Eve/identified with .. ie. a massive project management failure and the king of timing suck.
We'll still have Nex, streaking in stations, station brothels and what not .. it will just be after they have caught up on all the stuff they neglected when they put on the blinders
PS: If an anonymous source quoting an anonymous third party on anything is enough to "stroke you the wrong way" then you need to see a doctor ASAP and ask to be heavily medicated, you are a threat to yourself and everyone around you.
indeed.
tbh if what the "source" said is true, then, well the upper management guys are wrong, and I'll tell you upper management guys why: there are many people that see the vision you have (including some of the CSM I think?), and yes it's awesome. The "sci-fi universe sim" so much touted all these years is awesome, and I want it to bear fruit, as perhaps many people in this game.
you totally ****** up the delivery tho, by thinking we could wait :18 months: till we get any good content, which you didn't provide at all. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
101
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:24:00 -
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"Be weary of the light and the evils it blinds you from." |

DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
156
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:28:00 -
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If I made myself anonymous and said a whole bunch of inflammatory things would people believe me? |

Decarus
Apostlecorp inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:33:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:If I made myself anonymous and said a whole bunch of inflammatory things would people believe me? Will you be saying it about someone I don't like? Because all those guys are douces and whatever you say must be true as long as it reflects that! |

Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
10
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:35:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:If I made myself anonymous and said a whole bunch of inflammatory things would people believe me?
Only if it was about CCP, the CSM, The Mittani or Goonswarm. |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
10
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:48:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:If I made myself anonymous and said a whole bunch of inflammatory things would people believe me?
Sure, if it was quoted in some news article. I mean, after all, news articles that are online could NEVER be wrong.  ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
100
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:50:00 -
[23] - Quote
Quote: The development plans for the winter expansion have been deferred in favour of releasing small features like new ships and modules, and adding implants to killmails. "All prior release planning is basically in the trash," the insider told me, adding that "several people are getting carte blanche for teaming up on a feature basis, making little things with a measurable impact."
This part is MORE important then what the OP is complaining about. Why? Because it means they have been deliberately ignoring us, their game and wasting everyone's time. Now they are weathering the backlash of those decisions and trying to rectify it. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
115
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:52:00 -
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No self-disrespecting publisher would print an article like that, knowing the anonymous thing is best left to trash magazines - the one's that write of Aliens invading Washington DC.
It's on the interwebs so it is true I tell you! - source unknown (aka, anonymous) The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:53:00 -
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Alexandra Alt wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/23/eve-evolved-the-human-casualties/ There's this paragraph in that interview, that struck me the wrong way, I mean, really upset me after reading about all this lay offs (inevitable I know) and all this 'we were wrong and were going to fix this' mentality then being struck with an insider interview tha still some of the decision makers in the CCP workforce are arrogant enough to believe they are the ones right, and all this is a bump on the road. Dear CCP higher management, that arrogance was what put you in this situation, and led to the loss of subscribers therefore the lay off of 20% of your staff, that arrogance should be the one dismissed and laid off, I like to believe Hillmar doesn't know all happening inside, I do like to believe though he'll slap this higher-ups talking down on players, I hope he'll do it, or else this is just a cycle that will repeat itself in the future. The whole paragraph: Quote: Earlier this month, CCP CEO Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson apologised for the mistakes made when CCP ploughed ahead with risky plans that players, the CSM and even developers on the inside had raised concerns over. "Even now, higher-ups still talk down on players," the insider told me, "and say we have just hit a bump because some bad players refuse to see the awesomeness of our vision. We're told that it is not our fault." As a consequence of recent development plans not panning out as expected, EVE subscription levels have dropped, previously secure jobs have been distressingly lost, and morale among developers appears understandably low.
I hope you guys don't end up playing alone in the awesomeness of your vision.
"Some players" overreacted way too much. Like the morons who kept demanding an answer to the 'Gold Ammo' question, after it had been answered perfectly clearly in 3 different dev blogs, and who knows how many posts. People are stupid. A lot of EVE players are stupid. I am very happy that the devs understand this.
Also, a second hand quote (now third hand) is meaningless.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
24
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:17:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:*snip* People are stupid. A lot of EVE players are stupid. I am very happy that the devs understand this.
Also, a second hand quote (now third hand) is meaningless. You're talking about 'other' people than you, right?
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
101
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:19:00 -
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Tres Farmer wrote:Dorian Wylde wrote:*snip* People are stupid. A lot of EVE players are stupid. I am very happy that the devs understand this.
Also, a second hand quote (now third hand) is meaningless. You're talking about 'other' people than you, right?
Sure he is. Right? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
25
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:26:00 -
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Calathea Sata wrote:Unsubbed because of Hilmar's tone. Eve became better.  |

Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:30:00 -
[29] - Quote
(The) "Vision"? Damn, Sony's EverQuest is invading Eve now...?
When the "vision" gets mutated by the bean counters, the game, and players suffer. |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
6
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Posted - 2011.10.24 14:13:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:DarkAegix wrote:If I made myself anonymous and said a whole bunch of inflammatory things would people believe me? Sure, if it was quoted in some news article. I mean, after all, news articles that are online could NEVER be wrong. 
Because all the other things we showed and reported were wrong too right? and the newsletter and email were fake right?
OH WAIT.
They were all true. And unfortunately, according to my sources, so is this.
(EDIT: you're pretty f-ing dumb if you doubt this article after everything that has happened this year) |
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