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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2005.11.30 10:21:00 -
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The Board of the Electus Matari has voted overwhelmingly in favour of giving research aid to the Ushra'Khan. The aim of finding a permanent cure to Vitoc poisoning is in the best interests of Matari both within the Republic and outside it.
In return for a sample of the Insorum prototype the Electus Matari will fully disclose all results of our research into the cure to the Ushra'Khan. The Electus Matari agree with the Ushra'Khan that Insorum should not be used as a weapon. No research into a weaponised form of the prototype will take place at any of our facilities.
Far too many of our newly repatriated citizens face a lifetime still shackled to Vitoc. It is the unassailable right of every member of the Republic to have security, to have strength and to have freedom. The Electus Matari are here to make sure they get all three.
"There is no good or evil. No right or wrong. No merciful all seeing god. There is only life, action and consequence" |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.11.30 10:26:00 -
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I'm very much tempted to lend my own support just to see the look on Karsoth's face 
[Now with MIND BULLETS!]
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.30 10:42:00 -
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It is good to see our brothers in the Electus Matari rallying behind their people once more.
Our council shall contact your leaders soon to discuss this.
Fly Free Brethren.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.11.30 11:41:00 -
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Excellent initiative, I approve wholeheartedly.
Who needs vitoc anyways, it's the barbarian's tool, any slaver worth anything at all knows much better ways to keep slaves in line.
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Karn Mithralia
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Posted - 2005.11.30 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 30/11/2005 12:06:20
Thrace Bar 'n' Grill
It's quiet, a low fire in the centre of the room occasionally spits and pops. In the far corner sound alseep is Karn, head on chest, gently snoring, a bottle of Green Goddess empty among half-a-dozen burnt stubs of Pators Best.
Telemicus walks in the door, brisk and business like. He laughs as he spots Karn sound alseep.
"Oi Karn ya bum!"
Karn stirs lifting one eyelid to peer blearily at the noise. Spotting Telemicus he chuckles to himself.
"Jussst conserving my strength Tel ... where ya bin?"
Telemicus tosses a holopod to Karn, who, after sticking a still smouldering stub of one of Pators Best in his mouth, activates it.
[see above]
"Hahahahaaaa good **** bro!" Karn exclaims, "that's excellent news. You honor our people."
Then Karn pauses. He looks at Telemicus as if sizing up the situation. A wide grin takes over his face.
"... republic bah", he half laughs, then is more serious, "... ain't those things the unassailable rights of all of us?"
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.30 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 30/11/2005 12:22:47
With this announcement, the Electus Matari, for a long time a voice of restraint from within the Republic, have permanently marked themselves as enemies of the Amarrian way of life.
I urge all those who may deal with the EM to cease doing so with immediate effect.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Shemar
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Posted - 2005.11.30 12:33:00 -
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Actually I feel quite the urge to do the opposite.
I think the Electus Matari are doing the right thing, for their people, their government and ultimately for the universal community.
Their moderate, responsible way of going about things has earned my respect.
Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel.
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2005.11.30 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dak Hakin on 30/11/2005 12:40:03
 Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 30/11/2005 12:22:47
With this announcement, the Electus Matari, for a long time a voice of restraint from within the Republic, have permanently marked themselves as enemies of the Amarrian way of life.
I urge all those who may deal with the EM to cease doing so with immediate effect.
Dak reads this and laughs. "I am glad to know that I am not cosidered an ally of the slavers"
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.30 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
Actually I feel quite the urge to do the opposite.
I think the Electus Matari are doing the right thing, for their people, their government and ultimately for the universal community.
Their moderate, responsible way of going about things has earned my respect.
Hve you forgotten Mabnen so quickly?
Even if the EM and UK are telling the truth when they say that they do not wish to weaponise Insorum, once it is in wide circulation there will be nothing to stop others doing so.
The Minmatar seperatists cannot be allowed to open the Pandora's box of Insorum.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2005.11.30 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Shemar
Actually I feel quite the urge to do the opposite.
I think the Electus Matari are doing the right thing, for their people, their government and ultimately for the universal community.
Their moderate, responsible way of going about things has earned my respect.
Hve you forgotten Mabnen so quickly?
Even if the EM and UK are telling the truth when they say that they do not wish to weaponise Insorum, once it is in wide circulation there will be nothing to stop others doing so.
The Minmatar seperatists cannot be allowed to open the Pandora's box of Insorum.
We are telling the truth. We will not use this as a weapon.
If you are so deeply concerned about somebody else, aside from the Blood Raiders, weaponising Insorum there is an alternative to this course of action. The Amarr Empire can cure all of the men, women and children it has poisoned with Vitoc and free every last Matari held in slavery. Do this and there ceases to be a need for this research.
"There is no good or evil. No right or wrong. No merciful all seeing god. There is only life, action and consequence" |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.30 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Shemar
Actually I feel quite the urge to do the opposite.
I think the Electus Matari are doing the right thing, for their people, their government and ultimately for the universal community.
Their moderate, responsible way of going about things has earned my respect.
Hve you forgotten Mabnen so quickly?
Even if the EM and UK are telling the truth when they say that they do not wish to weaponise Insorum, once it is in wide circulation there will be nothing to stop others doing so.
The Minmatar seperatists cannot be allowed to open the Pandora's box of Insorum.
We are telling the truth. We will not use this as a weapon.
If you are so deeply concerned about somebody else, aside from the Blood Raiders, weaponising Insorum there is an alternative to this course of action. The Amarr Empire can cure all of the men, women and children it has poisoned with Vitoc and free every last Matari held in slavery. Do this and there ceases to be a need for this research.
Your threats reveal your true nature, Thrace.
Not only would such a mass de-slaving deny billions of Minmatars the chance to be enlightened, it would be impractical as the UK, EM and Republic could not afford to feed, clothe and house them all.
You're not interested in the de-slavement of your kind, you're merely seeking the end of our Empire because you hate our way of life.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.11.30 13:15:00 -
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Quote:
The Amarr Empire can cure all of the men, women and children it has poisoned with Vitoc and free every last Matari held in slavery.
Khaldorn? Is that you? Sorry, but that line sounded vaguely familiar. It's not bound to happen. If a cure for Vitoc is found a new, meaner and even harder to counter way to keep slaves in line will be found by scientists somewhere in the Empire - or maybe even Caldari, as it would be a perfect business opportunity.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.30 13:24:00 -
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The same old slaver argument. Which roughly translated means:
"We are great, no matter what you do, we will counter it and beat you, resistance is futile.. yada yada."
Dont worry brothers, under their arrogance they are just scared. However, do not try to argue with them, their Empire brainwashed them from birth, free thinking is not your typical Amarrians trait. Let alone a slavers.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2005.11.30 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Shemar
Actually I feel quite the urge to do the opposite.
I think the Electus Matari are doing the right thing, for their people, their government and ultimately for the universal community.
Their moderate, responsible way of going about things has earned my respect.
Hve you forgotten Mabnen so quickly?
Even if the EM and UK are telling the truth when they say that they do not wish to weaponise Insorum, once it is in wide circulation there will be nothing to stop others doing so.
The Minmatar seperatists cannot be allowed to open the Pandora's box of Insorum.
We are telling the truth. We will not use this as a weapon.
If you are so deeply concerned about somebody else, aside from the Blood Raiders, weaponising Insorum there is an alternative to this course of action. The Amarr Empire can cure all of the men, women and children it has poisoned with Vitoc and free every last Matari held in slavery. Do this and there ceases to be a need for this research.
Your threats reveal your true nature, Thrace.
Not only would such a mass de-slaving deny billions of Minmatars the chance to be enlightened, it would be impractical as the UK, EM and Republic could not afford to feed, clothe and house them all.
You're not interested in the de-slavement of your kind, you're merely seeking the end of our Empire because you hate our way of life.
I never threatened you, I just offered an alternative since our research into a cure for this venom you created appears to scare you so much.
The Republic has plenty of farmland to sustain our people and of course we want to see them free. Just because you can't get dressed or tend your own fields without a Matari around don't assume we are as inept in matters of industry or agriculture. The fact that the Empire would crumble and die without the Matari is hardly a problem of our making.
Your reliance on slaves is a dependance and dependance is weakness. You have the power to change that.
"There is no good or evil. No right or wrong. No merciful all seeing god. There is only life, action and consequence" |
Soratah
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Posted - 2005.11.30 14:13:00 -
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Members of the scientific community are now in negotiations with their counterparts in the Khanid Kingdom. Personal funding is now being diverted to supply all slaves under Alliance control with nerve suppressing technology.
Contacts in Carthum research laboratories now directed to developing a nano-tech version of the current wetware cranial suppressors.
If we're to be Demons of the universe then we may as well destroy ANY unwelcome thoughts our slaves may have. Of course, since we only use Vitoc on the Millions in the Navy and armed services I believe it's necessary to fit ALL our slaves with the cranial control devices now.
Crisis averted.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.11.30 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
The same old slaver argument. Which roughly translated means:
"We are great, no matter what you do, we will counter it and beat you, resistance is futile.. yada yada."
Dont worry brothers, under their arrogance they are just scared. However, do not try to argue with them, their Empire brainwashed them from birth, free thinking is not your typical Amarrians trait. Let alone a slavers.
In this case I am convinced it is bound to happen. It's a matter of logical thinking. For the Empire Vitoc is not really vital. It is convenient but there's plenty of holders who prefer other methods, especially for labour colonies. If it should prove to not be useable anymore my prediction is that the old 'Vitoc' - toxic substances - will be used again until a better substance can be created. Not as reliable as the Virus but filling the gap nicely until someone steps up with an enhanced substance to sell under the same brand.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.30 14:42:00 -
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As ever you assume too much and know too little.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2005.11.30 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Hve you forgotten Mabnen so quickly?
Even if the EM and UK are telling the truth when they say that they do not wish to weaponise Insorum, once it is in wide circulation there will be nothing to stop others doing so.
The Minmatar seperatists cannot be allowed to open the Pandora's box of Insorum.
Oh yeah, my heart bleeds for the poor Amarrian slavers that won't be able to control their slaves any more 
I am a realist. Will many innocent lives will be lost, before the universe is rid of the disease of slavery? Of course. But how many other lives, from now until the end of time, will be free?
Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel.
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2005.11.30 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 30/11/2005 15:27:36
what do you think were the means of control we employed all the millenia before Vitoc? brute force!
you take vitoc from us your 'brothers' will suffer the whip again.
vitoc insured the 'loyality' of the work force we did not have the time or wish to educate by non violent means.
every scar a child will bear will be struck by us but forced upon the little one's back by you U'K and EM.
will that suffice to stop a group like you who is used to unreasoning slaughter? i doubt it!
well i will just have to put the lead tips on my whips again...
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.30 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 30/11/2005 15:30:23
And you wonder why we want all your heads on platters slavers.
The time is coming where your arrogance will truly be your downfall
Oh, and for clarification we stated we would never use Insorum to kill millions of our own. If we had the opportunity to free millions we would be on the front line.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2005.11.30 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 30/11/2005 15:30:23
And you wonder why we want all your heads on platters slavers.
The time is coming where your arrogance will truly be your downfall
Oh, and for clarification we stated we would never use Insorum to kill millions of our own. If we had the opportunity to free millions we would be on the front line.
your people, our own don't make me laugh terrorist!
start feeding the starving in the republic then take care of our slaves if you wish!
you are seperate reaces allready, generation after generation of forced breeding have made an entire new setup of slaves.
i doubt you would recognize more than some basic features as common...
come visit my farms and mines. i am sure my slaves would welcome you...NOT!
every day you abduct slaves from the empire their freedom is limited more and more.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.30 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 30/11/2005 15:30:23
And you wonder why we want all your heads on platters slavers.
The time is coming where your arrogance will truly be your downfall
Oh, and for clarification we stated we would never use Insorum to kill millions of our own. If we had the opportunity to free millions we would be on the front line.
your people, our own don't make me laugh terrorist!
start feeding the starving in the republic then take care of our slaves if you wish!
you are seperate reaces allready, generation after generation of forced breeding have made an entire new setup of slaves.
i doubt you would recognize more than some basic features as common...
come visit my farms and mines. i am sure my slaves would welcome you...NOT!
every day you abduct slaves from the empire their freedom is limited more and more.
We surivied 800 years of enslavement and still retained our identity. Then we rose, we rebelled and threw you out of our space with your tail between your legs.
It has been barely over 100 years since then, if my people can retain their sense of self in 800 years, they can retain it 100.
And they have. As ever and as always you underestimate us.
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2005.11.30 16:44:00 -
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maybe i miss the point but we enslaved you 900 years ago and all you could retain was the rubble from the buildings you burnt yourself in that 'revolution' the gallenteans planned and financed and you.... aehm... were there....
you were still on your planets seeing your idols every day you went past to the fields to work, the ones we took to our home terretory did not, all they saw was our way of life..
i am sure it took just a few generations of slaves to make them ignorant of their heritage in the new amarrian sourroundings and to make them effectively feel they are slaves and that it is their place.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2005.11.30 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 30/11/2005 15:30:23
And you wonder why we want all your heads on platters slavers.
The time is coming where your arrogance will truly be your downfall
Oh, and for clarification we stated we would never use Insorum to kill millions of our own. If we had the opportunity to free millions we would be on the front line.
your people, our own don't make me laugh terrorist!
start feeding the starving in the republic then take care of our slaves if you wish!
you are seperate reaces allready, generation after generation of forced breeding have made an entire new setup of slaves.
i doubt you would recognize more than some basic features as common...
come visit my farms and mines. i am sure my slaves would welcome you...NOT!
every day you abduct slaves from the empire their freedom is limited more and more.
We surivied 800 years of enslavement and still retained our identity. Then we rose, we rebelled and threw you out of our space with your tail between your legs.
It has been barely over 100 years since then, if my people can retain their sense of self in 800 years, they can retain it 100.
And they have. As ever and as always you underestimate us.
I would say after the rebellion, hope and spirit amongst slaves should only have grown larger.
I doubt Amarrians can go back to the whips, vitoc is the only way to control the massive amounts of slaves serving the Empire. Vitoc alone can control millions of slaves; I doubt one slave holder can even dream about containing 50 on his own. Turning every mine you have in a prison, chain all the slaves in your household and lay mine fields around your crops to contain slaves, wouldnĘt make Amarr sleep peaceful over night.
Try containing them without vitoc, it didnĘt quite work with the last slave riot.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.30 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
maybe i miss the point but we enslaved you 900 years ago and all you could retain was the rubble from the buildings you burnt yourself in that 'revolution' the gallenteans planned and financed and you.... aehm... were there....
you were still on your planets seeing your idols every day you went past to the fields to work, the ones we took to our home terretory did not, all they saw was our way of life..
i am sure it took just a few generations of slaves to make them ignorant of their heritage in the new amarrian sourroundings and to make them effectively feel they are slaves and that it is their place.
Your people burned our culture to the ground Ethi, stomped it into oblivion. Or so they thought.
We kept who we are inside, we kept traditions alive amongst ourselves, we told our stories and kept our culture alive. We are a fiercely independent people, we will never be happy slaves. We did all this, and organised a rebellion under your slavers noses.
My people in your Empire are still Minmatars in their heart, you can never ever change that.
Never!
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Just a simple warrior.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.11.30 17:05:00 -
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In fact Vitoc isn't heavily used on planets at all. Vitoc is mainly used for those slaves serving in the fleet (for reference see: Chronicles). It would be a perfect waste of resources to employ it on those serving as labour slaves in mining colonies or in agricultural centers.
Once again I am glad that I don't use slaves to man my ships. Pure Amarr crews bring greater responsibility but also greater security.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2005.11.30 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 30/11/2005 17:20:59
Well I assumed since the Chronicle already refers that more Vitoc is used over time and by the information given at the event on Mabnen that vitoc plays a larger role in containing slaves today.
((I guess I could be wrong or the chronicles need all some good updating))
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.30 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
In fact Vitoc isn't heavily used on planets at all. Vitoc is mainly used for those slaves serving in the fleet (for reference see: Chronicles). It would be a perfect waste of resources to employ it on those serving as labour slaves in mining colonies or in agricultural centers.
Once again I am glad that I don't use slaves to man my ships. Pure Amarr crews bring greater responsibility but also greater security.
That 'information' is years and years old now slaver. Vitoc has no doubt now been developed as a highly cheap form of slave subjigation. Who wouldnt use it? Who needs guards, fortifications, fences, patrols or in fact anything like that when every slave has the threat of the most painful death hanging above their head should they disobey.
The Empire is reliant on Vitoc, and as time goes by it gets ever more and more reliant upon it. Slavers are always watching that profit margin.
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Deosneos
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Posted - 2005.11.30 18:31:00 -
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Might I remind you all that this insorum-information has been out there for a while now, and most holders have taken notice?
Indeed they watch their profit, but with this new threat they are taking precautions as we speak. Once your "research" will be over, I doubt there will be many holders left depending on vitoc. So maybe your new-found-savior will make the price of grain rise a little.
So what?
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Daryl Xero
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Posted - 2005.11.30 19:02:00 -
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I'm fairly surprised there hasn't been more response from Caldari interests on this matter. Zainou and Ishukone are being uncharacteristically relaxed considering the fact that Minmatar militants are now in possession of their intellectual property - property which could potentially be a multi-billion ISK industry.
It matters little to me as I have no stake in any of it, but it is unusual...
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