Be careful when throwing around statements like, "not before losing a large chunk of veteran players"

If I was looking at the performance of Battlefield Heroes or whatever crappy casual free-to-play game was going, and knew about the nasty social environment of EVE veterans being the second or third biggest turn-off for new players, I would regard losing a large chunk of veteran players as A Good ThingGäó, if the inflow of new accounts more than compensated for the accounts shut down by the exiting bitter vets.

Then in two years when the income was at an all time high, gender balance at 45/55, we weren't receiving hundreds of complaints daily about sexual harassment, and lowsec was actively populated by people having adventures, I would look back at the decision to go Free-To-Play and thank myself for making that difficult decision.

Seriously, that is what goes through my head when I see people winding up that "ultimate ultimatum."

"Oh, you are threatening to quit if we do X? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! We will do X in such a way that you will like it so much that you get your friends to subscribe too!"

It's true.

The attitude in this game is what players in WoW are also disgusted with, and guess what? #1 review for MoP at Amazon, too!

You talk about blobs like they're all alts of 1 person.

So yet again you seem to misunderstand.

Heh. Speaking of wowfags.

A RL friend and I had this stupid and drunk discussion back in 2006-2007 about how hardcore WoW was. I thought; how can a game even be a challenge when you have bloody ADDONS(!) telling you what to do? Needless to say, he disagreed and had all kinds of amusing arguments.

I said bollocks and made him a simple bet: complete the tutorial in EVE and if he complete the tutorial, I'd pay his one year WoW subscription.

But after a half hour, he gave up because his biggest complaint was that there was no quest helpers, no map coordinates, nothing because who bothers reading?

I feel next expansions (p2p ofc) will include these:

No loosing shi* when you explode
No scamming
No ganking carebears
Concord everywhere
Gazilion new items in Aurum store
Pay for skill faster training
Pay for invincibility buff so you cant be ganked/poded/ploped
Auto "blitz" missions for Aurum lol


CCP I hope none of these will be our future (Aurum store clothes n stuff is ok tho :))

A perfect representation of modern games and gamers. People want all the satisfaction from a game with none of the work and games developers are more than willing to give them that as it makes them easy money.
Skyrim is a great example of this as well, a fantastic game but when did you ever need to stop and think about a decision or wonder where exactly you needed to go? Follow Marker Receive Loot.

A perfect representation of modern games and gamers. People want all the satisfaction from a game with none of the work and games developers are more than willing to give them that as it makes them easy money.
Skyrim is a great example of this as well, a fantastic game but when did you ever need to stop and think about a decision or wonder where exactly you needed to go? Follow Marker Receive Loot.

But after a half hour, he gave up because his biggest complaint was that there was no quest helpers, no map coordinates, nothing because who bothers reading?

Skyrim is a great example, of how the making skyrim WTFBBQ-Hard mods are imensly populare, and everyone with half a set of balls has 100+ mods running to make the game the way its suposed to be played.

BTW, Blizzard now designed the game to include addons in encounters, which means without addons like DBM you're handicapping yourself and a liability for a group/raid. So you can put that pipe down.

As for EvE missions it doesn't help that the missions are indeed borked, that even the online help points out by how much.

And getting someone into a new game and telling there "here, play it" on some bet, what did you expect? You'll be the same n00b trying to figure how to work WoW's quests,

If I were to pick up WoW today, I'd fully expect my hand to be held through the theme park so I don't get lost on the way, be rewarded now and then with absolutely zero challenges (if you don't count boredom as one).

I think you'll be killed by a worg as you vainly try to right click him.

BTW, I'm not new-new. Do you remember training up learning skills?

lots of wisdom in this post

Incarna was only an issue because of the difference between what was originally offered, and what was delivered...not,as some people claim, because no one wanted WiS.

People wanted, and still want WiS, we just didnt get it, we got a single room to sit and upload videos into, which is cool and all, but its not WiS.

On topic: I am on crappy laptop, so cant open a bazillion links, but, unless he was the guy who was personally responsible for the EA messes in the past, it is not an issue for me where he worked before.

open that door.

Given the way things are likely to go in Jita and general discussion I think it will be good if he can give a reassuring statement, in fact we read this third hand isn't a good sign, remember when CCP said one thing to us during Incarna and to the Icelandic press they said the opposite.

:)

"Flushed with pride"

EVE is actually one of the few games where the playerbase actively punishes the developer/publisher so that changes are made.
Look how fast incarna was turned around, the sub count dropped so hard and so fast that CCP actually got scared.
I wouldnt worry too much, anything happens thats not acceptable, CCP will feel it Im sure.