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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.07.07 14:47:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Any everybody knows if you continue to insult half the MMO players, you'll have a dead game. Not really, no. It just means that it's a half you're not interested in because they're not interested in you. COD does not compete with farmville for players and can take as many swipes at them as they'd like without affecting their bottom line.
Quote:EvE isn't going anywhere until it looks to attract the very players you insult. Why would EVE want to attract them? They want a game that EVE will never offer. The WoW players who are interested in playing EVE are playing EVE already, and will gladly join in with the WoW-trashing.
Oh, and no, that's not Business 101. Business 101 is GÇ£don't try to replace your existing (huge) customer base with an imaginary one that you hope to attractGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Fairren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.07.07 14:57:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:
Any everybody knows if you continue to insult half the MMO players, you'll have a dead game. Why come to a game that from the start doesn't care about them?
You pretend to be so concerned about driving away players by trashing WoW, yet you don't care at all about driving them away by relentlessly promoting another game. Could you be more of a hypocrite?
Ace Uoweme wrote: EvE isn't going anywhere until it looks to attract the very players you insult...and yeah, you'll need them from everywhere, including WoW.
Business 101.
That's provably false. SWG was drastically altered to attempt to bring in WoW players. EVE is still here. SWG is not.
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Fairren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.07.07 15:09:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:The problem with people like Sean is that they see the users as numbers, and the last thing they care about is how the users feel about the game. All that matters is money. This is why EA has the reputation it has. Same goes for companies like NCSoft, where they only see players as a cash cow to be milked dry in as short a time as possible to appease investors.
I've not done a lot of in depth research on it, but in my experience in both games and real world businesses, I have never seen a new executive hire who did a complete turn away from his or her ideals. In fact, most companies that I've come across hire people because of those ideals and beliefs.
To that end, CCP likely hired Sean for the very reasons that concern the player-base the most. To me, that says a lot about what the top end of the CCP employment chain thinks about us as well. Sometimes I find myself in game wondering what happened to CCP, and who exactly it is that controls things now. Hopefully, this hire is about DUST rather than EVE. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.07 15:15:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
poor George Orwell, must be rolling in his grave watching his shiet quoted by this douche lol |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1296
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:59:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:raven666wings wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Take all of these Western MMOs and put them together, and WoW will still have over half the player base in MMOs.
Anything else is cynicism. First of all, everybody knows that lol WoW lol is dead, and throwing pandas in there ain't gonna bring it back. Any everybody knows if you continue to insult half the MMO players, you'll have a dead game. Why come to a game that from the start doesn't care about them? EvE isn't going anywhere until it looks to attract the very players you insult...and yeah, you'll need them from everywhere, including WoW. Business 101.
You are obviously a great fan of Wow, nothing wrong with that I guess.
But, for God's sake this is an Eve Online forum.
Stop with the WoW crap already. This is not a signature. |
Tazling Crendraven
Southern Technologies
1
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Posted - 2013.07.07 20:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:baltec1 wrote:I just thought. What if Frank is leaving EA because he hates it too?
Another thought, What if EA asked Frank to leave because he screwed up EA even more than it was? Not sure if that means he did things the playerbase liked or things they hated... EA do wan't to be the most hated company in the world right?
They must, they have won the Americas worse company contest two years in a row, and well on their way to three. EA is the only gaming company I have sworn to never spend a penny on again. |
Kururugi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:46:00 -
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Uh oh.... |
Varren Dar'khel
Starforged Ascendancy Order of the Exalted
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:28:00 -
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One of the draws for myself and I would image others is the fact that you are not affiliated with EA/Activision entities.
I find it absolutely pitiful that you would hire a scumbag from a corporation known to be despised by a large and vast portion of the game industry.
You do this to solve what you call problems developing multiple titles at the same time. This is because of your over-reaching greed and arrogance.
Instead of developing real content, we get useless confusing bullshit like the new skill rename which sounds like a an illiterate hobo wrote them, and content like the AURUM garbage and 4 prison cells you call WIS.
Where is the REAL content. (i.e. SOV changes, Modular POSes, and probably a thousand other things the playerbase has been asking for.)
And then I look at where the resources missing from EVE are going and I see you can't even develop your other titles properly.
You ****** DUST is the ass by making it FTP and exclusive to the PS3(I don't blame CCP because its not on Xbox that was Microsoft's fault. but no PC version, thats on CCP ), I have no faith you won't **** World of Darkness similarly.
If you need to hire a useless executive **** from EA (i.e. Greed Inc.) to develop three games maybe you need to put one on the back burner.
Instead of learning the lesson of Incarnageddon Hilmar gave lip-service at the time, and I'm slowly seeing CCP has no intention of holding to what was said. I will watch very closely, and if this trend keeps up Sub cancellations may be in order.
Remember who made you the company you are, and remember Incarna .
TL:DR This shows the true face of CCP and a glimpse at possible future business practices, and it is appalling. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1297
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Posted - 2013.07.08 14:17:00 -
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Varren Dar'khel wrote:One of the draws for myself and I would image others is the fact that you are not affiliated with EA/Activision entities.
I find it absolutely pitiful that you would hire a scumbag from a corporation known to be despised by a large and vast portion of the game industry.
You do this to solve what you call problems developing multiple titles at the same time. This is because of your over-reaching greed and arrogance.
Instead of developing real content, we get useless confusing bullshit like the new skill rename which sounds like a an illiterate hobo wrote them, and content like the AURUM garbage and 4 prison cells you call WIS.
Where is the REAL content. (i.e. SOV changes, Modular POSes, and probably a thousand other things the playerbase has been asking for.)
And then I look at where the resources missing from EVE are going and I see you can't even develop your other titles properly.
You ****** DUST is the ass by making it FTP and exclusive to the PS3(I don't blame CCP because its not on Xbox that was Microsoft's fault. but no PC version, thats on CCP ), I have no faith you won't **** World of Darkness similarly.
If you need to hire a useless executive **** from EA (i.e. Greed Inc.) to develop three games maybe you need to put one on the back burner.
Instead of learning the lesson of Incarnageddon Hilmar gave lip-service at the time, and I'm slowly seeing CCP has no intention of holding to what was said. I will watch very closely, and if this trend keeps up Sub cancellations may be in order.
Remember who made you the company you are, and remember Incarna .
TL:DR This shows the true face of CCP and a glimpse at possible future business practices, and it is appalling.
Golly! Angry is as angry says.
My gut feeling is that the new chap will be told to deal with DUST as it is a F2P game after all, and this is where Sean's area of 'expertise' is.
I do not believe that CCP have any intentions of, nor are they daft enough to introduce any sort of gold ammo or DLC which can give any player an unfair advantage.
Barbie stuff which can be paid for, I do not care about.
This is not a signature. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.08 21:35:00 -
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Varren Dar'khel wrote:
TL:DR This shows the true face of CCP and a glimpse at possible future business practices, and it is appalling.
TL:DR True face of CCP - "Crowd Control Productions" - Group of university graduates intensely brainwashed with capitalistic/sociopathic business practice theories, lacking a creative vision, who think they are intellectually superior to the crowd that feeds them, because they can effectively dellude and milk them, without actually delivering any creative game content. |
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Six Six Six
Blood and Decay
185
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:21:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Varren Dar'khel wrote:
TL:DR This shows the true face of CCP and a glimpse at possible future business practices, and it is appalling.
TL:DR True face of CCP - "Crowd Control Productions" - Group of university graduates intensely brainwashed with capitalistic/sociopathic business practice theories, lacking a creative vision, who think they are intellectually superior to the crowd that feeds them, because they can effectively delude and milk them, without actually delivering any game content.
Think you're a bit unfair there.
Should they add content ? Certainly not of the style of games like WoW. Why? Because it's a sandbox.
However they should add tools that can be used to make player content.
They could also on occasions hold limited events (if they have time and resources).
The main people lacking the creative vision are the people playing, those that are used to games like WoW, GW2 that maps out what you have to do and uses achievements to add so called content on the cheap. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:57:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:Think you're a bit unfair there.
Should they add content ? Certainly not of the style of games like WoW. Why? Because it's a sandbox.
If the only kind of content you cant think of is fantasy themed, than your creative vision/ ability to create some is as good as CCP's. EVE is a sci-fi universe game, therefore, it's content is sci-fi themed.
Six Six Six wrote:
However they should add tools that can be used to make player content
Hum, interesting. I'm kinda curious now, could you please tell me... do these "tools" and "player content" of yours include anything besides war waging corporations and their tools to exploit asteroids, moons, planets in a capitalist fashion race for profit? Maybe a little programming gimmick or sume number crunching with a new photoshop colorful picture on top that you call an "expansion"? |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:21:00 -
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I'm sorry to disapoint you but having a "sandbox" kind of game doesnt mean it needs to be filled with capitalistic entities only.
Just to give you an example, a newcomer in this game is automatically formated to be a part of a Corporation, ruled by a CEO, pay taxes and be a sheep. Why should I be forced to be a part of something like this? I dont even like corporations! What if i want to be a tribe member, an anarchic group punk, a gangster or a pirate? (remove the square, we want triangles, circles and spirals too lol)
The empty sandbox you play in is a mirror to the creativity, productivity and mentality of the people working on it. There is much that can be added to it inside its theme, things that have been asked thousands of times by the playerbase before (more ships,modules, playable alien races and pirate factions,alien technology,modular poses,walking in stations, populated planets etc).
Six Six Six wrote:They could also on occasions hold limited events (if they have time and resources).
lol Yet again your claiming that the reason CCP doesnt deliver content is because they're out of resources, and not because they don't want to or are incapable of.
Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe they should hire more content designers/artists/sci-fi writers instead of weasels like this? What exactly will this guy bring to the game? More spam messages asking you to buy **** that you already have for free now or dont really want/need?
The way to stabilize your game if its having trouble is to deliver an exceptional one, not try to convince people with cheap marketing tricks that they should play it. |
Six Six Six
Blood and Decay
187
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:08:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Think you're a bit unfair there.
Should they add content ? Certainly not of the style of games like WoW. Why? Because it's a sandbox. If the only kind of content you cant think of is fantasy themed, then your creative vision/ ability to create some is as good as CCP's. EVE is a sci-fi universe game, therefore, it's content is sci-fi themed.
Has nothing to do with fantasy, what I'm talking about is not making it into a theme park.
raven666wings wrote:Six Six Six wrote:
However they should add tools that can be used to make player content
Hum, interesting. I'm kinda curious now, could you please tell me... do these "tools" and "player content" of yours include anything besides war waging corporations and their tools to exploit asteroids, moons, planets in a capitalist fashion race for profit? Maybe a little programming gimmick or sume number crunching with a new photoshop colorful picture on top that you call an "expansion"?
A BPO is an example of a tool it gives you the base to be able to create items/ships that can be used in the sandbox.
Player content: all large corp/alliance create their own content, usually some one in the group organises it. Even solo players can make their own content using the props/tool available in-game. The thing about a sandbox is, you're not supposed to get content spoon fed to you like what games like GW2 and WoW do. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:22:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:
Has nothing to do with fantasy, what I'm talking about is not making it into a theme park.
A BPO is an example of a tool it gives you the base to be able to create items/ships that can be used in the sandbox.
Player content: all large corp/alliance create their own content, usually some one in the group organises it. Even solo players can make their own content using the props/tool available in-game. The thing about a sandbox is, you're not supposed to get content spoon fed to you like what games like GW2 and WoW do.
lol dude im the one who plays Guild Wars but it seems to me ur the one whos living in a fantasy world.
You call an elaborating a sci-fi universe a turning it into a "theme park"? Well excuse me, but i'd rather play in an elaborate and complex game than on a empty and squared "sandbox".
BPO is an example of a tool... hum.. yes it is.. but if u want to make it a good tool you wanna have the possibility to print them with whatever kind of ship/module/weapon/etc/whatever invention you develop. Having a limited set of things to print on these BPO's is rather dull and not aknowledging that you need to opening the mechanic up or at least adding new inventions is really harmful and turns your loved "sandbox" into a boring game. |
Six Six Six
Blood and Decay
187
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:43:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:I'm sorry to disapoint you but having a "sandbox" kind of game doesnt mean it needs to be filled with capitalistic entities only.
Just to give you an example, a newcomer in this game is automatically formated to be a part of a Corporation, ruled by a CEO, pay taxes and be a sheep. Why should I be forced to be a part of something like this? I dont even like corporations! What if i want to be a tribe member, an anarchic group punk, a gangster or a pirate? (remove the square, we want triangles, circles and spirals too lol)
The empty sandbox you play in is a mirror to the creativity, productivity and mentality of the people working on it. There is much that can be added to it inside its theme, things that have been asked thousands of times by the playerbase before (more ships,modules, playable alien races and pirate factions,alien technology,modular poses,walking in stations, populated planets etc).
That's because everyone has to be in a corp in this game. The CEO of a starter corp can hardly be said to be ruling as the CEO is an NPC. You could of course make your own corp then you would be the CEO and you could set your own taxes to 0% if you like. You can be a pirate, join a pirate corp.
If you really don't want to be in a corp then you should try another game.
They are adding more ships slowly and modules. Not sure there are any alien races in the lore of EVE. Anyway more playable races are not necessary as we have 4 already that can train everything plus not sure the character creator would cope if not based on the human model. More races throws the game more out of balance and would create a lot of work. Populated planets is likely to come into Dust's realm. WiS is a nice to have but hardly essential in EVE, again it's time and resources which means something else won't be getting worked on.
raven666wings wrote:Six Six Six wrote:They could also on occasions hold limited events (if they have time and resources). lol Yet again your claiming that the reason CCP doesnt deliver content is because they're out of resources, and not because they don't want to or are incapable of. Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe they should hire more content designers/artists/sci-fi writers instead of weasels like this? What exactly will this guy bring to the game? More spam messages asking you to buy **** that you already have for free now or dont really want/need? The way to stabilize your game if its having trouble is to deliver an exceptional one, not try to convince people with cheap marketing tricks that they should play it.
I'm not claiming they're out of resources that's why I said 'if they have'. I don't know how much spare time and resources they have and neither do you.
I have no idea what this guy will bring to the game, but I expect it'll be more than you.
I don't even think I've played an MMO that could claim to be exceptional.
So which was the last MMO that you that you helped out of trouble? |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:50:00 -
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Ok dude u can stick your head back in the sandbox, dont overheat it too much u dont want it to burn. Have fun building castes with ur bud. lol |
Nariya Kentaya
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
650
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:52:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:I'm sorry to disapoint you but having a "sandbox" kind of game doesnt mean it needs to be filled with capitalistic entities only.
Just to give you an example, a newcomer in this game is automatically formated to be a part of a Corporation, ruled by a CEO, pay taxes and be a sheep. Why should I be forced to be a part of something like this? I dont even like corporations! What if i want to be a tribe member, an anarchic group punk, a gangster or a pirate? (remove the square, we want triangles, circles and spirals too lol)
The empty sandbox you play in is a mirror to the creativity, productivity and mentality of the people working on it. There is much that can be added to it inside its theme, things that have been asked thousands of times by the playerbase before (more ships,modules, playable alien races and pirate factions,alien technology,modular poses,walking in stations, populated planets etc).
the reason you cant just be "not in a corporation" has to do with the theme of eve. even though its only really stated blatantly inc aldari culture, the basic EVE lore basically has that you are either owned by a corporation, or you are nothing. without a "corporate sponsor" of sorts, you wouldnt be able to dock/market or anything, because lore-wise, there is NO BIGGER RISK than a "lone agent", because if you hold ties to no entity, then no one can be held responsible for your actions, so retribution cannot be taken should you say, choose to nuke a small city. that and, a capsuleer starts out in a corporation because it is implied that is the corporation that paid for your ascension to capsuleer status.
so yeah, you have to be in a corporation, because that is what EVE is completely centered around, lawless, anarchic, corporate capitalism. thats why a SINGLE CORPORATION can own planets/stations/etc, its to express the sheer power capitalism has received.
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Six Six Six
Blood and Decay
187
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:58:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:[quote=Six Six Six] lol dude im the one who plays Guild Wars
You're right as I don't play it anymore.
Played it for 2 months, got 8 characters 6 max level with gear and a mage 36 and necromancer about 8 never really liked cloth wearers.
Leveling the first 2 was ok, the next 4 were boring because it was the same old stuff and the end game was a dull as dishwater. Gave up with the other two cloth wearers as I couldn't bring myself to level a 7th and 8th character especially as they were cloth wearers (magic users)
You say EVE is boring, well GW2 is really boring so much so I've given up playing it even though there's no subscription.
You can stick to your fantasy theme parks if you like, but don't try to turn EVE into a sci-fi theme park. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:02:00 -
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Having an universe where every individual is part of a corporation really shows lack of imagination, and inability to develop and expand beyond those lore constraints is a joke. |
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:08:00 -
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You really like this theme park word don't you? ahahah |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:44:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:You're right as I don't play it anymore.
Played it for 2 months, got 8 characters 6 max level with gear and a mage 36 and necromancer about 8 never really liked cloth wearers.
Leveling the first 2 was ok, the next 4 were boring because it was the same old stuff and the end game was a dull as dishwater. Gave up with the other two cloth wearers as I couldn't bring myself to level a 7th and 8th character especially as they were cloth wearers (magic users)
You say EVE is boring, well GW2 is really boring so much so I've given up playing it even though there's no subscription.
You can stick to your fantasy theme parks if you like, but don't try to turn EVE into a sci-fi theme park.
lol... did u even try like.. PVP bro? go get urself hammered by some noobs in low rank matches and tell me how it goes... (inb4 oh ****.. they told me to go back to pve) lol
meanwhile you can go to Guild Wars 1 Hall of Monuments, introduce my account name "Brutal Death Reaper" and check on my pvp achievements, and go to guild wars 1 wiki and check how many matches won in the Hall of Heroes you need to get Eternal Hero achievement. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.09 05:41:00 -
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(i'm not even gonna tell you how the pve can be fun in that game, with the players constantly finding new ways to speed clear dungeons and instances and challenging the devs into making them harder with new mobs, mechanics, etc... this is way too much sand for your truck... lol) |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9863
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Posted - 2013.07.09 05:48:00 -
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raven666wings wrote: Just to give you an example, a newcomer in this game is automatically formated to be a part of a Corporation, ruled by a CEO, pay taxes and be a sheep. Why should I be forced to be a part of something like this? I dont even like corporations! What if i want to be a tribe member, an anarchic group punk, a gangster or a pirate? (remove the square, we want triangles, circles and spirals too lol)
[lore]
You're placed in a newbie corporation because the corporation are the ones that pay for your immortality, if the corporation didn't pay for your initial clone and provide the technology for the instantaneous transfer of conciousness upon death your life in New Eden would be extremely short, because you would be a mere mortal
[/lore]
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Joan Greywind
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
46
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Posted - 2013.07.09 09:12:00 -
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Where are the " you guys are only saying bad things about him because he is a man post from CCP? I thought that was the go to response nowadays, or is CCP also sexist (tum tum tum)??? |
Six Six Six
Blood and Decay
187
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Posted - 2013.07.09 09:18:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:(i'm not even gonna tell you how the pve can be fun in that game, with the players constantly finding new ways to speed clear dungeons and instances and challenging the devs into making them harder with new mobs, mechanics, etc... this is way too much sand for your truck... lol)
Sounds like you found the game for you, so what are you still doing here.
I did play PvP there although not that much as kind of got bored with the fact characters would appear out of thin air. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:19:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: [lore]
You're placed in a newbie corporation because the corporation are the ones that pay for your immortality, if the corporation didn't pay for your initial clone and provide the technology for the instantaneous transfer of conciousness upon death your life in New Eden would be extremely short, because you would be a mere mortal
[/lore]
limited lore constraint which can be worked on and opened up. having clone management and mind transfer ran by corporations only shows your lack of imagination |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
52
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:21:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote: Sounds like you found the game for you, so what are you still doing here.
I did play PvP there although not that much as kind of got bored with the fact characters would appear out of thin air.
complaining about "theme parks" when ur the one living in a barbie world. please dont make me tell you the real reason why i play this game, it might make you wanna cry lol |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1049
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:30:00 -
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I'm a huge daoc fan and EA hosed that and war hammer when they took mythic...then the whole sim city fiasco....
Yeah, not a fan of EA. Best luck to this guy but don't hose EVE please >< Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1298
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Posted - 2013.07.09 17:10:00 -
[840] - Quote
raven666wings wrote:(i'm not even gonna tell you how the pve can be fun in that game, with the players constantly finding new ways to speed clear dungeons and instances and challenging the devs into making them harder with new mobs, mechanics, etc... this is way too much sand for your truck... lol)
This forum is for Eve Online.
Please respect that and not witter on bout other games. This is not a signature. |
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