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Josclyn Verreuil
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Posted - 2005.12.02 20:16:00 -
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So we didn't engage 70 vs 90. Whaa? I think the majority of ASCN has decided we don't like overlagged fleet battles much. Enter why we engaged when the numbers were below 100, but not above 150.
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ArcticFox
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Posted - 2005.12.02 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: ArcticFox on 02/12/2005 21:04:15 I don't want to go in to the discussion about fleet battles, but I know I wont be able to help myself. ASCN refusing to engage in a lag war (ei 70-80 ships versus 70-80 ships, where G would have the advantage being warped in on, being already loaed, and having less latency due to the geographical location of their player base) does not strike me as a bad decision. Though ironically if your fleet had stayed on the QBH gate for two or three minutes longer you would have seen the entire ASCN fleet warp in to engage. We had a couple seperate gangs going, a lot of uncertainty about what our move should be against the POS, reinforcements coming from all different directions, etc. By the time our fleet was fully sorted the reporters had arrived an G was jumping out.
Your numbers may not be fully accurate on how much advantage we had. At any given time there are as many as a dozen or sometimes even more ASCN players logged on but afk at station or POS for one reason or another. If you count those towards our fleet total you may not get an accurate impression of how many ships are actually in the air.
When our fleet warped in and found you had all jumped out while we were preparing to engage, we turned around and went for an un-armed small tower.
Also, I should point out that (against ASCN especially) placing 33 small towers in our crossroads system is a poorly thought out strategy to try and force our ships to engage your ships in a blob war. When ASCN sovreignty is threatened the focus is going to be on eliminating the threat, not that blob of G battleships floating around complaining that our fleet wont engage them. If that forcing fleet engagements truly was G's intention, then obviously G doesn't understand their enemy very well. After all, if G forces had attempted to engage ASCN forces at a POS we were shooting, battles almost certainly would have occured. Instead... G camped gates. The argument that G could not engage our fleets while they assaulted POS because it was all in the US TZ is patently false, as I personally saw some of our biggest fleets shooting POS during Euro timezone composed almost entirely of our Euro players.
Reba, a small correction. Considerably more than 3-4 POS have been destroyed (unless you're counting only the ones destroyed today). POS assaults took place across all timezones yesterday, for whatever reason G showed very little presence in AZN and did not make any large scale efforts to stop the ASCN fleet. All but the two armed G starbases in AZN are currently in reinforced mode. ---------------------------------- "There's no +6 Sword of WTFPWN in Eve." - Er... Some person on the forum... |
Risiru
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Posted - 2005.12.02 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Risiru on 02/12/2005 21:22:26
Originally by: Josclyn Verreuil So we didn't engage 70 vs 90. Whaa? I think the majority of ASCN has decided we don't like overlagged fleet battles much. Enter why we engaged when the numbers were below 100, but not above 150.
I'll just quote that because it will go well with the video :).
PS: ArcticFox the bit about latency is just the cream of very funny post :)
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Fedaykin Naib
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Posted - 2005.12.02 22:08:00 -
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Nice news report, especially for an alt. Ill have to remember to keep watching this thread for further enjoyment.
Also, LMAO at the lame alt trying to start a flame war.
"Long Live the Fighters!"
"The weak come and go with time. The strong have remained" - v ger
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ArcticFox
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Posted - 2005.12.02 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Risiru Edited by: Risiru on 02/12/2005 21:22:26
Originally by: Josclyn Verreuil So we didn't engage 70 vs 90. Whaa? I think the majority of ASCN has decided we don't like overlagged fleet battles much. Enter why we engaged when the numbers were below 100, but not above 150.
I'll just quote that because it will go well with the video :).
PS: ArcticFox the bit about latency is just the cream of very funny post :)
I'll admit the latency thing is not based on any personal experience, just what I've heard from our own Euro members about their response times to the Eve servers and the difference in north america. I'm probably wrong about it. :) ---------------------------------- "There's no +6 Sword of WTFPWN in Eve." - Er... Some person on the forum... |
Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2005.12.03 18:58:00 -
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I don't care who's winning or losing. I just want to shoot things and get shot at. Hell I like getting podded almost as much as I like podding things.
I also know that almost everyone feels this way...
- Vlasic of TW Fame TribalWar, INC Sister corp to FREE Explorer |
Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2005.12.03 20:23:00 -
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Glad to hear someone from ascn post who isnt being completely bias.
You should be commended for the post, but you should still post with your main. Especially because a non-flamebait post like this makes you look better.
Also, this war seems pretty boring, any news from the war in the north? _______________________________________________
Originally by: Oveur
To the nerfmobile!
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Dark Matter
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Posted - 2005.12.03 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Foomanshoe Glad to hear someone from ascn post who isnt being completely bias.
You should be commended for the post, but you should still post with your main. Especially because a non-flamebait post like this makes you look better.
Also, this war seems pretty boring, any news from the war in the north?
If it bores you so much, don't bother reading or replying.
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Phoenix Lord
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Posted - 2005.12.03 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Foomanshoe Glad to hear someone from ascn post who isnt being completely bias.
You should be commended for the post, but you should still post with your main. Especially because a non-flamebait post like this makes you look better.
Also, this war seems pretty boring, any news from the war in the north?
What war in the north? *looks around* me see nothing.
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Reba yARR
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Posted - 2005.12.04 00:57:00 -
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Update for dec 3rd Dateline AZN : Not much to update. NO major battles. G/Iron are down to 2 pos in azn now. ( from 30+) G/iron fleet has been absent really for last 2 days. Smash is bringing down dreads to esoteria. I have no idea what that means. btw I have no evidence that bobs raids in g/iron space have anything to do with this war.
AND Thats the way it is in eve-land Reba Yarr Signing off |
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Roxanna Kell
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Posted - 2005.12.04 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Reba yARR Update for dec 3rd Dateline AZN : Not much to update. NO major battles. G/Iron are down to 2 pos in azn now. ( from 30+) G/iron fleet has been absent really for last 2 days. Smash is bringing down dreads to esoteria. I have no idea what that means. btw I have no evidence that bobs raids in g/iron space have anything to do with this war.
AND Thats the way it is in eve-land Reba Yarr Signing off
here, here., go get it . go get it./ www.eve-defence.com |
Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.12.04 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Reba yARR Update for dec 3rd Dateline AZN : Not much to update. NO major battles. G/Iron are down to 2 pos in azn now. ( from 30+) G/iron fleet has been absent really for last 2 days. Smash is bringing down dreads to esoteria. I have no idea what that means. btw I have no evidence that bobs raids in g/iron space have anything to do with this war.
AND Thats the way it is in eve-land Reba Yarr Signing off
BoB is just trying to take advantage of the situation with roaming hac gank fleets. No biggie, just another day in paradise. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.12.04 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: Reba yARR Update for dec 3rd Dateline AZN : Not much to update. NO major battles. G/Iron are down to 2 pos in azn now. ( from 30+) G/iron fleet has been absent really for last 2 days. Smash is bringing down dreads to esoteria. I have no idea what that means. btw I have no evidence that bobs raids in g/iron space have anything to do with this war.
AND Thats the way it is in eve-land Reba Yarr Signing off
BoB is just trying to take advantage of the situation with roaming hac gank fleets. No biggie, just another day in paradise.
Hi,
The north is on fire, it burns so bright, The carebears are screaming, it goes on all night, Those who had forgotten about our true power, Are being destroyed en masse every hour, Where will it end? When will it stop? That I can't answer but I will tell you this, We're number 1 and the rest of you are ****.
Burn Mother*******, burn.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL5) Kenin
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2005.12.04 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: Reba yARR Update for dec 3rd Dateline AZN : Not much to update. NO major battles. G/Iron are down to 2 pos in azn now. ( from 30+) G/iron fleet has been absent really for last 2 days. Smash is bringing down dreads to esoteria. I have no idea what that means. btw I have no evidence that bobs raids in g/iron space have anything to do with this war.
AND Thats the way it is in eve-land Reba Yarr Signing off
BoB is just trying to take advantage of the situation with roaming hac gank fleets. No biggie, just another day in paradise.
Hi,
The north is on fire, it burns so bright, The carebears are screaming, it goes on all night, Those who had forgotten about our true power, Are being destroyed en masse every hour, Where will it end? When will it stop? That I can't answer but I will tell you this, We're number 1 and the rest of you are ****.
Burn Mother*******, burn.
dbp
Have fun up there
-G- Pink Power
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.12.04 22:27:00 -
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I am!!
Slothe killed me
AGAIN!
I hate that cheeky mUnkay :|
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL5) Kenin
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.12.04 23:07:00 -
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Been doing RL stuff recently, though I did login on Friday night to hear the cries of "ASCN ARE COMING, AND THEY ARE BRINGING SPOON... SORRY BoB" from the Northern Intelligence channels.
Looks like things are about to get interesting.
23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC |
TemporaryAlt
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Posted - 2005.12.05 11:37:00 -
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Cool, so now G and friends has to decide what to do... After a number dreads were committed to the south and BoB going north, it's decision-making time.
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Rhodry Amarrian
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Posted - 2005.12.05 12:23:00 -
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Yes, it is all very interesting.
If [G] and pals were to take AZN then what would it avail them? To hold the station would require a huge investment of manpower on their part and everyone in EVE knows its far harder to be the defender than the attacker.
So if they took the station and decided to set up home there how could it work? They would be surrounded on all sides by looking looking to shoot them at every opportunity and so the opportunities for mining/making isk would be slim to nil.
They could retreat to Stain space to undertake some of these tasks, but then their numbers start to get thinned out and spread and they would start to lose more ships.
ATM G have it very easy. If they want to engage then they can at the time and place of their choosing because they are the attackers. If AZN is blobbed up they can go roaming up to 68ft or wherever.
However, if they decide to set up home in the South then they will need to start defending and will soon learn how much it more difficult it is.
If they planned to move to the South then why not just take over Stain space and remain on decent terms with ASCN? People are not "scared" of ASCN in the same way they are of BoB or other pvp alliances but ASCN still have lots of peple and lots of ships and a lot of good pilots and if you want to make your home somewhere is it wise to make a real enemy out of your potential neighbours?
I don't know how wealthy individual pilots are within the G side of things, but even if you are in on the kills for a hundred ships and take only 10 or 15 losses yourself, eventually that takes its toll.
Anyway, I hope there are some more decent engagements soon, I for one would love to se a coule of dreads slugging it out though I doubt it will ever happen.
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TemporaryAlt
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Posted - 2005.12.05 15:11:00 -
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Don't be so sure, rumours abound that the south will be as lit up as a Scorpion battleship and the fighting as dear-god-thats-fugly as a Moa sometime later today...
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Kleric
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Posted - 2005.12.05 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rhodry Amarrian Edited by: Rhodry Amarrian on 05/12/2005 12:26:02 Yes, it is all very interesting.
If [G] and pals were to take AZN then what would it avail them? To hold the station would require a huge investment of manpower on their part and everyone in EVE knows its far harder to be the defender than the attacker.
So if they took the station and decided to set up home there how could it work? They would be surrounded on all sides by pilots looking looking to shoot them at every opportunity and so the opportunities for mining/making isk easily would be slim.
They could retreat to Stain space to undertake some of these tasks, but then their numbers start to get thinned out and spread and they would start to lose more ships.
ATM G have it very easy. If they want to engage then they can at the time and place of their choosing because they are the attackers. If AZN is blobbed up they can go roaming up to 68ft or wherever.
However, if they decide to set up home in the South then they will need to start defending and will soon learn how much it more difficult it is.
If they planned to move to the South then why not just take over Stain space and remain on decent terms with ASCN? People are not "scared" of ASCN in the same way they are of BoB or other pvp alliances but ASCN still have lots of people and lots of ships and a lot of good pilots and if you want to make your home somewhere is it wise to make a real enemy out of your potential neighbours?
I don't know how wealthy individual pilots are within the G side of things, but even if you are in on the kills for a hundred ships and take only 10 or 15 losses yourself, eventually that takes its toll.
Anyway, I hope there are some more decent engagements soon, I for one would love to see a couple of dreads slugging it out though I doubt it will ever happen.
Do you really think G could take over stain region? I highly doubt it, since the carebear corps left to start their own alliances SA has only become way stronger then it was ... and all they proved by attacking SA is that they can jump in deal ****loads of dmg in a week and then move to ASCN.
This is not a post to flame G, i respect them and their allies very much. --------------------------------------------- Everything i post is bull**** and in no way represent my corp or alliance. |
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Death Merchant
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Posted - 2005.12.05 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher I am!!
Slothe killed me
AGAIN!
I hate that cheeky mUnkay :|
dbp
domi or tempest? I hear hes damn near unbeatable in a domi.
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fire 59
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Posted - 2005.12.05 17:14:00 -
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I am guilty of being hotheaded and shooting my mouth off at times but whatever the outcome, im glad to be a part of all this. Its been a huge learning experience for me and ive learnt alot from friend and foe alike. We have alot of bad blood between us it seems buts lets make history and make eve and its nodes BURRNN. The events over the coming days will proobably get as intense as its ever gonna get because RMR will definately benefit the defender and im sure G and co are aware of this , thx to everyone, awesome
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.12.05 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Death Merchant
Originally by: DB Preacher I am!!
Slothe killed me
AGAIN!
I hate that cheeky mUnkay :|
dbp
domi or tempest? I hear hes damn near unbeatable in a domi.
Heh,
It wasn't a proper 1 vs 1, I was in a vigil :p
Then I tried to tackle him in my pod.
Not a great idea realy ;)
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.12.05 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Death Merchant
Originally by: DB Preacher I am!!
Slothe killed me
AGAIN!
I hate that cheeky mUnkay :|
dbp
domi or tempest? I hear hes damn near unbeatable in a domi.
Heh,
It wasn't a proper 1 vs 1, I was in a vigil :p
Then I tried to tackle him in my pod.
Not a great idea realy ;)
dbp
LOL!!!
That's all. -
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.12.05 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Death Merchant
Originally by: DB Preacher I am!!
Slothe killed me
AGAIN!
I hate that cheeky mUnkay :|
dbp
domi or tempest? I hear hes damn near unbeatable in a domi.
Heh,
It wasn't a proper 1 vs 1, I was in a vigil :p
Then I tried to tackle him in my pod.
Not a great idea realy ;)
dbp
pod ramming? -------------------
Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you |
DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.12.05 20:38:00 -
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Well there was method behind my madness honest...
He was 200km from the station and I was like 50km from hm when my vigil popped so I figured the other guys could warp to me at 50km and go kill him
I didn't expect the git to one pop my pod :p
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Well there was method behind my madness honest...
He was 200km from the station and I was like 50km from hm when my vigil popped so I figured the other guys could warp to me at 50km and go kill him
I didn't expect the git to one pop my pod :p
dbp
Ohh...know that all too well
"imran be warp in point he cant hit u" "OK" *wakes up in orvolle* ...
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pringprang
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Posted - 2005.12.06 03:13:00 -
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Imran is in Exodus again! You coming to visit soon bud? We remember our first Emperor of Feyth. You better bring lots of gifts if you want your serving girls back. _____________________ We are not a mining corp. We are not a pvp corp. We are a 0.0 corp. CoRM is recruiting here |
Death Merchant
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Posted - 2005.12.06 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Well there was method behind my madness honest...
He was 200km from the station and I was like 50km from hm when my vigil popped so I figured the other guys could warp to me at 50km and go kill him
I didn't expect the git to one pop my pod :p
dbp
I dont have exact figures but my "tactical" manuevers with pods have a very low rate of success myself
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.12.06 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: pringprang Imran is in Exodus again! You coming to visit soon bud? We remember our first Emperor of Feyth. You better bring lots of gifts if you want your serving girls back.
zomg prinprang 4tw ^^ \o/, soon i hope :( skewl 4tl.
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