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Kay Brack	Posted - 2005.12.02 09:06:00 - [1] I'm trying out the game and it's pretty interesting. I am about 8-9 days old and am getting some kicks out of mining in 0.4 space. I was otw to grab a secure can and got caught by a maller pirate in in my industrial. The pirate messages me and says 5 million or i blow you up. I told the guy the ship is only worth 200k and he/she blew me up then scrambled the pod. He then says pay up or ill blow up the pod and i'm actually laughing IRL going OMG NO i have to buy another clone at 70k. So other than the time lost it a great learning experience. I guess my question is are all pirates that stupid or did i just meet the short bus pirate ?
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2005.12.02 09:13:00 - [2] Its a reasonable demand. 8 day old players don't often frequent 0.4, so the pirate probably thought he had a Alt of some sorts, and assuch you could of easily had some decent mods on your frig, aor implants in your head. But more to the point, HOW did a maller manage to get your pod locked b4 you warped off? Next time, as your ship goes boom, click on a celestial object, and hit warp to in your selected item section of the overview. CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
Herko Kerghans	Posted - 2005.12.02 09:15:00 - [3] Naahh... you just met a pirate without his lie detector (aka ship scanner). As you know, you can make three characters in an account. As such, many veteran players have an alternative character ("alt") and they mine and build with it... so you can get a 10 days old char belonging to a 2 years old player... so to 10 days old char may have some expensive modules in the hauler. Ransoming the pod was a bit too much though... but some pirates think they are juicy. (others think they are crunchy; an endless debate) Barriers - an EVE novel
Sentani	Posted - 2005.12.02 09:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Herko Kerghans (others think they are crunchy; an endless debate) the correct answer is: crunchy on the outside and soft on the inside ____________ The cargo bay is overloaded and cannot be made to fit Expanded Cargohold I. It is currently only capable of fitting 8772.12 units and it is currently jammed full with 9558.33 units.
Kay Brack	Posted - 2005.12.02 09:29:00 - [5] Originally by: KIAEddZ Its a reasonable demand. 8 day old players don't often frequent 0.4, so the pirate probably thought he had a Alt of some sorts, and assuch you could of easily had some decent mods on your frig, aor implants in your head. But more to the point, HOW did a maller manage to get your pod locked b4 you warped off? Next time, as your ship goes boom, click on a celestial object, and hit warp to in your selected item section of the overview. It's actually the first time a PC has locked me and to be perfectly honest i wasn't in a hurry to jump to a BM. Kinda wanted to see what would happen. As i say though i figured no big deal buying another clone.
Absolute Evil	Posted - 2005.12.02 10:05:00 - [6] Edited by: Absolute Evil on 02/12/2005 10:05:30 Originally by: Kay Brack I'm trying out the game and it's pretty interesting. I am about 8-9 days old and am getting some kicks out of mining in 0.4 space. I was otw to grab a secure can and got caught by a maller pirate in in my industrial. The pirate messages me and says 5 million or i blow you up. I told the guy the ship is only worth 200k and he/she blew me up then scrambled the pod. He then says pay up or ill blow up the pod and i'm actually laughing IRL going OMG NO i have to buy another clone at 70k. So other than the time lost it a great learning experience. I guess my question is are all pirates that stupid or did i just meet the short bus pirate ? The guy was probably more than happy by getting your corpse. Ransom is just a bonus, its been said before dont wanna get blown up stay outa 0.4 or below space!
Grimwalius d'Antan	Posted - 2005.12.02 10:06:00 - [7] So, you mean he should just let you go and potentially miss a chance to ransom you? That is like spoiling food when you're hungry. If you were an alt, there is a chance you were an alt of a rich player who has put 50 mil worth of expanders on the hauler, and 200 mil worth of implants to make his alt "catch up" on skills faster.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.12.02 10:12:00 - [8] I think all of you are missing the fact. Even if he was a alt and a rich player it doesn't mean anything. People don't pay because they have money or they're a alt. That gives them more of a reason to be blown up and not care about it. The reason I say this is because even though the ransom was to high for Kay Brack, he had nothing of worth on his ship and or clone. So to ransom something that's not worth anything gets you a free corpse and some basic cargo expanders. In short, if he would of dropped the ransom down to like 1 million isk. He would of had a better chance to walk away with 1million isk instead of a corpse and 20,000 worth of junk that he prob left in the container. It's not just that pirate, most pirates think like that. I mean look at the responces to this thread. 95% of the responces agree the guy was doing fine. Yet in reality he gained no isk. Which if you're a pirate. Is a bad thing. The object of being a Pirate is to umm walk away with something of value. Like umm 1 million work of isk or a physical object. -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Dak Hakin	Posted - 2005.12.02 10:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri It's not just that pirate, most pirates think like that. I mean look at the responces to this thread. 95% of the responces agree the guy was doing fine. Yet in reality he gained no isk. Which if you're a pirate. Is a bad thing. The object of being a Pirate is to umm walk away with something of value. Like umm 1 million work of isk or a physical object. Yeah, I think there is a name for people that do that. Oh what is it, what am I trying to think of? _______________________________________________ If you fear the thorn, do not crave the rose
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.02 10:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri The object of being a Pirate is to umm walk away with something of value. Like umm 1 million work of isk or a physical object. When I was a pirate I coud get people to pay me before they even saw me. That is the object of being a pirate. To create a reputation, and to see it spread. You don't do that by haggling, that is for traders and merchants, you do it by saying what you mean, and meaning what you say. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
gfldex	Posted - 2005.12.02 10:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Kay Brack 5 million Sounds to me as this is his standard procedure. When you read this part of the forum more frequent in the future you will learn that pirates dont got good experience with argueing with victiums. Time is money. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Kay Brack	Posted - 2005.12.02 10:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri I think all of you are missing the fact. Even if he was a alt and a rich player it doesn't mean anything. People don't pay because they have money or they're a alt. That gives them more of a reason to be blown up and not care about it. The reason I say this is because even though the ransom was to high for Kay Brack, he had nothing of worth on his ship and or clone. So to ransom something that's not worth anything gets you a free corpse and some basic cargo expanders. In short, if he would of dropped the ransom down to like 1 million isk. He would of had a better chance to walk away with 1million isk instead of a corpse and 20,000 worth of junk that he prob left in the container. It's not just that pirate, most pirates think like that. I mean look at the responces to this thread. 95% of the responces agree the guy was doing fine. Yet in reality he gained no isk. Which if you're a pirate. Is a bad thing. The object of being a Pirate is to umm walk away with something of value. Like umm 1 million work of isk or a physical object. Thats closer but i probably would have only paid 500 or 700k. My net loss was around 300k or so after insurance. My clone was at the starter navy place so i just bought another hauler and about 8 or 9 jumps to get back. I read up on the sec stuff though tonight after it happened and it's even funnier that the sec hits he/she took for getting nothing :P
Kay Brack	Posted - 2005.12.02 10:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Absolute Evil Edited by: Absolute Evil on 02/12/2005 10:05:30 Originally by: Kay Brack I'm trying out the game and it's pretty interesting. I am about 8-9 days old and am getting some kicks out of mining in 0.4 space. I was otw to grab a secure can and got caught by a maller pirate in in my industrial. The pirate messages me and says 5 million or i blow you up. I told the guy the ship is only worth 200k and he/she blew me up then scrambled the pod. He then says pay up or ill blow up the pod and i'm actually laughing IRL going OMG NO i have to buy another clone at 70k. So other than the time lost it a great learning experience. I guess my question is are all pirates that stupid or did i just meet the short bus pirate ? The guy was probably more than happy by getting your corpse. Ransom is just a bonus, its been said before dont wanna get blown up stay outa 0.4 or below space! LOL you got it wrong friend there is absolutely no reason for me to stay out of 0.4 and below space. At my level and gear in fact now is the best time to check out <0.5 Even moreso now that that i've seen that as long as i have insurance i loose next to nothing.
Sun Ra	Posted - 2005.12.02 10:52:00 - [14] If the player is young, i normal find out how much money they have and take half We're coming for you
Herko Kerghans	Posted - 2005.12.02 11:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Kay Brack LOL you got it wrong friend there is absolutely no reason for me to stay out of 0.4 and below space. At my level and gear in fact now is the best time to check out <0.5 Man, THAT's the spirit! Barriers - an EVE novel
Ralus	Posted - 2005.12.02 11:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Kay Brack LOL you got it wrong friend there is absolutely no reason for me to stay out of 0.4 and below space. At my level and gear in fact now is the best time to check out <0.5 Even moreso now that that i've seen that as long as i have insurance i loose next to nothing. Thats the attitude, and you're perfectly correct too you will loose next to nothing. Keep exploring and having fun
Irashi	Posted - 2005.12.02 11:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Kay Brack LOL you got it wrong friend there is absolutely no reason for me to stay out of 0.4 and below space. At my level and gear in fact now is the best time to check out <0.5 You GO girl I'm so tired of new players being scared of low sec, it's perfectly safe... kinda. Next time use the scanner on overview settings, you see a maller or something you can't handle and you can run away, or as we say: tacticly withdraw. Good luck __________________________________________________
Eagle32	Posted - 2005.12.02 11:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Sentani the correct answer is: crunchy on the outside and soft on the inside Armadillos!
Tecam Hund	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:18:00 - [19] In my opinion asking 5 million for a hauler full of ore in 0.4 space is foolish. Nobody would pay that. I'd ask 500-700k and me and my target would go their own way satisfied. Its probably better to be more reasonable if pirate wants to get paid just as he/she enters the system. Nobody wants to pay a person who asks you to give up all you made that day. You have to collect the wool, not butcher the sheep.
Kaspari	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:34:00 - [20] he may of asked for a high ransom just for the hell of it, not realyl caring if it was payed or not..similar to the way i recently ransomed a corp for 80 mil..my actions wernt for the ISK, but for the fun..if they had payed it would of been a juicy bonus..if they hadnt..i would of carried on enjoying myself. But most people will not pay ransom on the principle of it (the amount of times ive seen that given as advice is unbelivable)..then they complain that people just blow them up at gates with no ransom demand..what do they expect? __ __ __ __ __ -- -- --____ __ __ __-----_-__-__ Ore theives inc is recruiting: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=252354&page=1 An idea for a new ship class: http:/
Spungwa	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Tecam Hund In my opinion asking 5 million for a hauler full of ore in 0.4 space is foolish. Nobody would pay that. I'd ask 500-700k and me and my target would go their own way satisfied. Its probably better to be more reasonable if pirate wants to get paid just as he/she enters the system. Nobody wants to pay a person who asks you to give up all you made that day. You have to collect the wool, not butcher the sheep. kill the hauler quick as you can and hope for decent hull mods and contents, locals are worth a packet, ransom the pod or dispatch it to a cloning station . keep eye on scanner, hope the calvalry turn up, rinse and repeat. haulers are a quick and easy kill that can pay well, why ransom them at all? "Retarded Trophy Hunter With a Blackend Soul" Thank you for that......
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:06:00 - [22] shrug if you're pirating you have two options. Set a high ransom. Either they pay, or they die, and you might do ok out of their stuff. Set a low ransom. They're more likely to pay, but you might miss out on some local hull conv expanders, and a hauler load of zydrine. Now, assuming you're not under fire from sentries or whatever, if you like blowing stuff up and getting killmails you choose the former - killmail or a big wodge of isk. If you're _actually_ trying to turn a profit, you choose the latter, because you lose less sec, and make more isk. So, what would you consider 'fair' for a ship or a pod? Would 'insuranced replacement cost' be a fair sum? 20-30mil/bs, 1-2mil/cruiser, and not an awful lot on a frigate (and obviously, notably more on a T2 ship). And 'clone costs' be reasonable on a pod? I mean, if you're ransoming someone, then surely it's a fairly obvious trade there - give you clone costs, and keep the implants (if any), or get podded and both lose out. (Ships, it'll cost you x to re-insure, you give them the re-insurance, and keep the mods, both profit) shrug ransoming someone is actually notably harder than just blowing them away, so I don't necessarily see it ever happening, (I've had my pod ransomed once, but not my ship). -- Complaining about the PvPers and Pirates in EVE is like complaining about the mines in Minesweeper.
Prestidigitator	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:09:00 - [23] (Sorrysorrysorrysorrythreadjack) ...but Irashi's sig is the most 'lol' i've seen yet :D (oh, and while i'm heavily OT - "Armadillos!" 4tw!)
Horsefly	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:27:00 - [24] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri I think all of you are missing the fact. Even if he was a alt and a rich player it doesn't mean anything. People don't pay because they have money or they're a alt. That gives them more of a reason to be blown up and not care about it. The reason I say this is because even though the ransom was to high for Kay Brack, he had nothing of worth on his ship and or clone. So to ransom something that's not worth anything gets you a free corpse and some basic cargo expanders. In short, if he would of dropped the ransom down to like 1 million isk. He would of had a better chance to walk away with 1million isk instead of a corpse and 20,000 worth of junk that he prob left in the container. It's not just that pirate, most pirates think like that. I mean look at the responces to this thread. 95% of the responces agree the guy was doing fine. Yet in reality he gained no isk. Which if you're a pirate. Is a bad thing. The object of being a Pirate is to umm walk away with something of value. Like umm 1 million work of isk or a physical object. Well to be honest there Famine, It was entirely worth it. As others have said the alt tends to carry stuff for the main. The main might have been a pirate in which case could be carrying mods for the mains ship. Also you have to remember some people just dont pay cause there stalling for friends to show up. So its better to ransom and if they dont take it kill then try to ransom the pod. you never know you may get an alt with implants. If not then oh well nothing gained nothing lost.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:05:00 - [25] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 02/12/2005 14:06:00 Originally by: Kay Brack some kicks out of mining in 0.4 space. I was otw to grab a secure can and got caught by a maller pirate in in my industrial How many people do you know get alts and load it up with vaulable stuff and be like "Damn man, I have the sudden urge to just mine. Let me dock and break out my cruiser." "Ok, time to haul this serious ore in with my awsome hauler I got for this alt. I don't have to worrie about this Raven BPO here, it will be safe with the Jaspet"?????? Yes, we all know that indy's picking up secure cans in the belts means he is a alt with mad loot on board. But then again, maybe he is just picking up his ore? Think, it helps... -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 02/12/2005 14:06:00 Originally by: Kay Brack some kicks out of mining in 0.4 space. I was otw to grab a secure can and got caught by a maller pirate in in my industrial How many people do you know get alts and load it up with vaulable stuff and be like "Damn man, I have the sudden urge to just mine. Let me dock and break out my cruiser." "Ok, time to haul this serious ore in with my awsome hauler I got for this alt. I don't have to worrie about this Raven BPO here, it will be safe with the Jaspet"?????? Yes, we all know that indy's picking up secure cans in the belts means he is a alt with mad loot on board. But then again, maybe he is just picking up his ore? Think, it helps... Named expanders = big money. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Poemi	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:16:00 - [27] Piracy has been dead for a while now
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Poemi Piracy has been dead for a while now No its not, its stronger than ever, you just need to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The Masia	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:53:00 - [29] Edited by: The Masia on 02/12/2005 14:53:09 lol
Rivek	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Poemi Piracy has been dead for a while now I beg to differ. To the OP, he should have just blown you up, podded you, and checked the can. He was doing you a service giving you a chance to pay. However, pirates arent omnisicent, we dont know how your fitted, we dont know what your carrying. We have to make a guess. I only offer ransoming as an option if the victim asks ME if they can pay or if the situation is under control and a ransom is likely to pay more than the loot from their ship. Of course smacktalk or attempts at trickery result in a swift exectution. That said, keep up the good spirit and do explore low sec. You'll learn to be 10x the player most of those hiding in high sec empire are in 1/10 the time. See your name in lights at TunDraGon.com

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