Also, WOD content is a far, far cry from Teenvamp Wonderland.

It's more like "I will sleep with you so I can drive your wife insane, rip out your best friends throat, make your children think you are responsible, and then leave you to die a slow death amid the shambles of your life" Wonderland.

Edit: Come to think of it, this would make a good template for future Incarna content.

Why do people even play graphical games to start with. I know MUD's still exsist and they have no problem with lag or have graphics that get in the way of your gaming. What I am trying to say is that having a representation is a big deal and adds alot. One of the few good things about Blob warfare is the feeling you get when you see 500+ ships all gathered to gether getting ready for a fight. It feels powerfull to see that many people gathered together to accomplish this goal. Now imagine 500 avatars gathering together for an alliance meeting, that is alot different that watching 1 person type a question in a text box or listening to 1 voice over your headphones. (This is not about Lag or the technical aspects of it but rather things to look foward to. PS we know it is possible to do as I have seen avatars in other games that use less than a single ship rendering in EVE. CCP just decided to reinvent the wheel and it is up to them to find a way to make that wheel work with the tech we have now.)

Right now the avatar for agents is meaningless. They could have a single avatar for every single Agent and I doubt some people would even notice. Getting and turning in missions are pretty much completely ignored at this point. By creating an inneractive agent the feeling of missions would change alot. Here is a simple idea of how this could work. - You find an add asking for a ship captain. Walking over to the bartender you ask about the job and he tells you he might know something about it holding out his hand. You slip him and isk and he tells you to go over to the table in the corner and he wishes you luck. The shady fellow in the corner looks you over and then offers you a job of delievering 100 crates of small arms to a station 10 jumps away, he even offers a bonus if you can do it quickly... Now suddenly curiour missions are more exciting more part of a story. Epic story lines will actually feel epic, regular missions can feel more exciting and worth doing.

The last point was the fact that WiS is customizable and how that is important to alot of people. What I was trying to say was WiS is a step forward in the right direction and abbandoning WiS is a step backward and I don't believe companys do well when they are not moving foward.

There are probably a few plans that would make the wis crowd happy because I just want to know what the plan is or know that they have not given up on it.

Plans that include a small team (meaning we are working on it but its not a priority)
1. Move the remaining wod team to wis. (They may have some sort of obligation, I don't know)
2. Keep a small team that can work on some aspect of wis. (Doesn't have to be coding, there are lots of other things too)
3. Keep that art department working on wis since they have said before that it was a bottleneck

Plans that do not require a team. (I don't like these but I would be content to know there is a plan)
1. No progress on wis will be made until they finish dust because it is too many projects
2. No progress on wis until the winter expansion is done, then they will look at balancing development

Plans that I really do not like (I DO NOT support any of these! And would not be happy)
1. Say nothing about wis and leave it in the air because to say what their plan or lack of plan is may result in unsubs.
2. Wis was only meant for wod so when they start large development for wod again, they will look at wis also.
3. They really have no plan and are waiting to see how the playerbase reacts to news of fis only
4. They will come back to wis when they get a certain number of subs
5. They will come back to wis when a few years have gone by
6. They will never come back to wis

No matter what the plan maybe, i would encourage people to NOT unsub because of it, as some kind of protest. Unsubs only hurt the company in a time when they are already having money issues. Support ccp and make your voice known through the forums and if the csm is not addressing your concerns, then next time make sure to vote for one that does.

Why would you be pissed off by them? WiS lovers (yours truly included) were promised WiS. Very emphatically, for months. By Hilmar himself, and every other high-up CCP employee. In fact, you couldn't use a crowbar to beat the idea out of them, even if you tried. WiS was coming, to a theatre near us very soon, and no amount of arguing was ever gonna change their mind.

Then, all of a sudden, it's like: "Nope, changed my mind! You're not getting WiS after all. We'll deploy the bits and pieces we already have done, for good measure, and then we'll shelve the lot (and since we don't ever finish the stuff we do promise to complete even, you realize, of course, you can kiss WiS goodbye, right?)."

So, I ask, who has cause to be pissed? Or at the very least has cause to ask CCP to undue this mindjob they just pulled on us, and, I dunno, keep a promise for a change.

Um are you kidding, lets start with the "future of EVE" add as a starter. Then lets look at the fanfest WiS they presented us. Also all the dev blogs for the last couple years about all the things we were going to be able to do.

Things I was really looking forward to -

• Gathering rooms. It would be nice to see a representation of the people you are speaking with on TS or Vent or even Eve speak.
• Interactive Agents. Getting missions or doing anything with an NPC is about the most boring thing in this game. WiS is a great way to liven things up and to make missions a bit more exciting when you meet in the back alley to discuss the trouble he is asking you to get into.
• Customization of our avatars, our living quarters , as well as the bars and shops we were going to set up. One of the biggest draw backs for EVE is the confomatity of everything. They finally had a way to allow me to express myself as an individual rather than my ship and 100 other players whos ships that looked exactly like mine as my respresentation. (I still think Eve is stupid to not allow some type of customization for the ships, even if it is just a 2 color adjustment bar letting my ship have my colors rather than exactly the same a every other ship)

I am sure there are other things that other people were looking forward to but these are the ones on my list.

Was Very sad to see FIS put aside.


I think the decisions at the top of CCP screwed their plans, not the actual things that were happening. They really failed to make the players happy due to rushed decisions and arrogant execution.

@OP No, never wanted WiS. Still don't.

Just in case you were counting votes

apparently theyre only counting votes FOR WiS not against them, sorry.

If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point.

Issler

yeah.... cause likes matter

as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts

yeah.... cause likes matter

as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts

The WiS engine simply isn't ready to support gameplay expansions. Deal with it and get over it.

That was me. For accuracy I was referring to the Incarna feedback thread which reached some 12000 replies in 3 days where as this thread is on 520ish after 5 days

If there was a way to make this a poll I would have gladly done it. Never said everyone wanted it, I just said a non-trivial amount of us do and 1029 thread likes as of now make that point.

Issler

The likes system doesn't work that way, a lot of the 'likes' in this thread are actually for posts against WiS. Out of 1035 likes (at time of posting) there are only 86 for your original post.

If you wanted to be accurate then you would have to tally up both the positive and negative 'likes' in this thread.

The total likes for this thread overall is not a good barometer for positive interest in WiS content.

There are probably a few plans that would make the wis crowd happy because I just want to know what the plan is or know that they have not given up on it.

Plans that include a small team (meaning we are working on it but its not a priority)
1. Move the remaining wod team to wis. (They may have some sort of obligation, I don't know)
2. Keep a small team that can work on some aspect of wis. (Doesn't have to be coding, there are lots of other things too)
3. Keep that art department working on wis since they have said before that it was a bottleneck

Plans that do not require a team. (I don't like these but I would be content to know there is a plan)
1. No progress on wis will be made until they finish dust because it is too many projects
2. No progress on wis until the winter expansion is done, then they will look at balancing development

Plans that I really do not like (I DO NOT support any of these! And would not be happy)
1. Say nothing about wis and leave it in the air because to say what their plan or lack of plan is may result in unsubs.
2. Wis was only meant for wod so when they start large development for wod again, they will look at wis also.
3. They really have no plan and are waiting to see how the playerbase reacts to news of fis only
4. They will come back to wis when they get a certain number of subs
5. They will come back to wis when a few years have gone by
6. They will never come back to wis

No matter what the plan maybe, i would encourage people to NOT unsub because of it, as some kind of protest. Unsubs only hurt the company in a time when they are already having money issues. Support ccp and make your voice known through the forums and if the csm is not addressing your concerns, then next time make sure to vote for one that does.

I read this thread, then I go and read Hilmar's groveling apology.

People simple will not learn, nor wake up and smell the coffee.

That was me. For accuracy I was referring to the Incarna feedback thread which reached some 12000 replies in 3 days where as this thread is on 520ish after 5 days

yeah.... cause likes matter

as someone said earlier, 1000 pages in three day, significant. 500 in 5 days not so, especially when half that number are nay sayers or alts

No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones.

And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ.

I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS.

Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ?

I wonder why I keep paying.

GTFO of MY EvE Online!!!!

Fix old content or bust. We want internet Spaceships in our internet spaceship game.....

If you want barbies online, go play 2nd life!

Firstly. This is a public forum accessible for all subscribers of Eve Online. This sub forum is General Discussion. It is not designed as forum for building a consensus of ideas (there are other sub forums for that). It is not designed as a forum for genteel discussion from a specific user group. It is open to anyone to express any view on any topic started which does not breach the Forum Rules.

tl:dr: Don't tell people what to post and what not to post.

Secondly: Content can be expanded in numerous ways both in FIS and WIS anyone who claims either doesn't have a future is being narrow minded. An integrated approach will have the most wow factor and make for the most dynamic playing environment.

tl:dr: A black and white viewpoint is stupid whatever position you hold in an arguement

Thirdly: Eve Online is not surviving? You are theory crafting. You are theory crafting after telling others they are not allowed to theory craft.

tl:dr:

Lastly: I came to this thread as an individual putting my mouth forward to say: "CCP please don't abandon WIS, I understand you have financial issues and are trying to get your house in order, but please keep the door open on this development" Reading this thread however I find a lack of rationality and pragmatism, by a subset of posters who are hypocritical in nature.

tl:dr: this thread is a petty in fight not a discussion of how WIS is positive.

PS: this is not a thread naught. 12000 posts in 3 days is a thread naught. 500 posts in 5 days is not.

P.S. Stop comparing old forum post numbers to new forum post numbers! The lameness of the new forums seem to make that impossible. The new forums are just too unstable to compare the two.

You also have to admit that since the forums changed threadnaughts are different. This is with out a doubt one of the most active threads "new forum".

I don't know why but for some reason old forum threads were bigger than new forums ones.

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