Aww cheer up little kid. Everything's gonna be all right.

(Dust is still going to be a failure, though. Sorry if you were looking forward to it.)

We'll see about that.

It can't be much worse than Planetside, and that was a Bad Game in the Eve sense of the word.

It's about immersion. Think about what you're saying, it's equivalent to "We already have forums, so why do we have in game chat?" The point I'm trying to express is the need for more forms of in game socialization and communication between parties. You do make a valid point though. It isn't necessary for gameplay by any means. But it increases a feeling of community and attachment to the game and other players.

I hate to even make this comparison because it was a horrible, boring game, but do you realize why WoW was so popular? I'll tell you it wasn't gameplay. Sure, they have casual gameplay that draws a large audience, but that casual gameplay also sucked. Eve's gameplay is much more intense, much more involved, and much more fun, at least in my opinion. The reason WoW had such a large audience is because of the social system that's in place. The gameplay was mostly in dungeons, but players were required to engage in interaction with random strangers in order to accomplish said goals. The ability to walk up to someone and randomly start a conversation that
1. Doesn't have an associated mail charge
2. Can be joined in by any passing player who shows interest
goes a long way. There's no proximity-based chat in Eve, whatsoever. It's either 1-on-1 chat, form a chatroom, or broadcast idiotically to all of local. Seeing more convenient ways of socialization will only be beneficial.

Necessary or not, it conveys benefits to everyone.

Here's another point: (Unless you're cloaked up in space), everyone, at some point, inevitably ends up ship spinning or facespinning when they're docked up and outnumbered, waiting on a group for a complex, waiting on a cyno, waiting on an industry job... Actually, Eve is alot of waiting no matter how you look at it. At the very least, the developers can give players something to do while they're waiting around in stations.

Why do you think Eve Poker, Somer.Blink, Eve Radio chat, etc, are all so popular? It gives players something engaging to do while on Eve. The thing is, the game could be directly benefiting from that just as much as third-party sites do.

And to whoever suggested Eve Fest to me, I've seriously been considering it. But should players really have to pay ~$800+ to talk to each other?

Forum avatars are serious business. Playing dressup in the microtransaction superstore isn't.

Forum trolling is serious business. Playing dressup in the Character Creation isn't.

I have noticed alot of the "I hate WiS" people are goons. Normally I would chalk that up to the fact that they love to troll, but I started to realize it was something more.

Goons stated objective is to ruin the game for everyone. So they hate WiS because they want to ruin the game for everyone.

I have noticed alot of the "I hate WiS" people are goons. Normally I would chalk that up to the fact that they love to troll, but I started to realize it was something more.

Goons stated objective is to ruin the game for everyone. So they hate WiS because they want to ruin the game for everyone.

Well they did make a trailer with no in game footage and I guess they used WoD art assets for the Nvidia APEX demo.

So we ever going to get a clarification from CCP about the real future of WiS?

Issler

So we ever going to get a clarification from CCP about the real future of WiS?

Issler

So one aspect of the sadness that is the failure to deliver WiS so far is for about 5 years one part of my job was to be one of the primary technical interfaces between a very large Redmond, WA software company and nVidia. I found nVidia to be full of some very smart folks, but also some very agressive evangilists. Constantly pushing companies to consider agressive plans and of course create stuff that requires the latest and greatest gear from the small "n" company.

I think they are definitely part of what caused CCP to bet on technology that couldn't scale or be successful commercially on the majority of PCs today.

Just felt like sharing that.

Issler

How did 12 people create a 46 page thread?

So... CCP... where is my WiS???

How did 12 people create a 46 page thread?

By never stopping posting

Funny thing is WiS people would support fixing old problems and FiS upgrades we just don't want WiS abandoned while the against people insist that WiS must be scrapped

So... CCP... where is my WiS???

World of Darkness will continue development with a significantly reduced team. This team will continue to iterate and expand on the gameplay and systems they have designed. We will also redeploy creative teams in Atlanta to support the launch of DUST 514.

We were promised this 4 years ago

It is certainly more than 12 people that care about WiS

It's way less than that. This thread is one or two Barbie fetishists and their sock puppets and 8 or so decent people trolling them.

Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.

"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "

I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.

So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.

DO NOT ABANDON WiS!!
LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!

Issler

It is certainly more than 12 people that care about WiS
The question is more about why are people so passionate about WiS.

For -

• We were promised this 4 years ago
• Makes Eve more personal
• It is something completly new not the same old same old
• It expands the game into a whole new areas whos potential is huge and makes it more of a sci fi sim

Against

• It doesn't fix the old problems
• It adds nothing (I would add immeadatly) to game play and is just dress up (for now)
• FiS has been abbandoned because of this so it must go

Funny thing is WiS people would support fixing old problems and FiS upgrades we just don't want WiS abandoned while the against people insist that WiS must be scrapped

I agree 100% x 4 accounts, IMHO if they would tell a certain minority to **** off they could make changes to this game that would bring in 10x players that they they told to **** off and those players would be happy to play, not bitter vets who do nothing but complain.

Staying the same, and adding new ships is not change, is pretty much a sure way to kill off a product.

...It's when companies lose sight of what made their product great in the first place that they start having problems, you know like losing thousands of subscribers and having to lay off 20% of their workforce...

And you can correct me if I'm wrong but from the tone of what you have said it would appear that you want a different game entirely.

Keep in mind that a majority of subscription-based game companies have been posting losses this year as the industry moves towards the free-to-play model, not just CCP (Blizzard/WOW has lost 1.7 million subscriptions in the last 9 months alone). The fact that CCP asked a stupidly high price for their NeX store stuff and that WiS had no gameplay were just nails in the coffin.

I don't think WiS itself is to blame, but rather CCP's amateur and rushed implementation of Incarna and thier use of EVE assets to develop vampires on our dime, that screwed over both WiS and FiS players alike (WiS got a tenth of what was promised and FiS was ignored for 18 months).

It was clear that WiS wasn't the product of 5 years of development... but maybe 6 months (with the other 4.5 years spent on vampires).

*Sighs*

No, we don't want 'a different game entirely'. We want a game that innovates. We want a game that isn't stuck in the same 'dungeon-expansion pack-dungeon-expansion pack' rut that other games have fallen into.

WiS-haters dislike us because we're intruding into their precious territory -- how dare us all for playing with their Matchbox starship collection and actually getting bored.

Seriously, though, it's quite surreal how something as mundane as putting a shirt on a digital 'person' can cause so much drah-mah.