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wild
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Posted - 2005.12.09 06:15:00 -
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Doesnt change the fact that MASS and other SA corps had docking rights (there were even some clone contracts), we simply wanted to cut you off your economical resources. That wouldnt have happened (or ensured) if we asked KOS to remove those rights, they would deny that they even exist, why trust ex-SA corps. I rather pity KOS, not that they cant put up a fight and defend them selves but because they are cought in the middle of a conflict that doesnt really concerns them.
Anyway I kindly ask you to drop this, as the topic at hand is actually about SE and CYVOKs rather funny ultimatom.
Well We are not like SE, we give all corps not in KOS time to move out. WE dont put plays ships and sh!t they had in hangers in lockdown and tell they to pay 20bil to get it back like some ppl
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Creamster
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Posted - 2005.12.09 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Creamster on 09/12/2005 07:18:25
 Originally by: Fried
Creamster, as someone I found to be a fun apponent and always respectful I would like to ask you an honest question, why SE is attacking KOS in the first place ?[/url]
We launched our attack on Omist about 4 days before KOS was formed. On november 11th we shot Mass Refinery's shield down to 5% and logged for the night, KoS + neutrals showed up and finished it off. So the next day we had to take it from KoS, meanwhile our alliance leaders worked out a peaceful solution which was: we own the stations, they do whatever they want in omist, mutual +10 standings, love and a 5% refine tax. Let me tell you, they started mining like crazy 
This lasted for about a week, then KoS broke the agreement and launched a well-planned pos attack. So in reality they attacked us not the other way around, we're just fighting back.  In fact Shifu was true to his word, as we nap'ed a brand new alliance made of ex-SA asap, and it was up to them to become hostiles.
When ASCN closed its borders and actually shot down a couple of our pilots (hello, we're +7.5 and just have to travel thru ascn territory to omist) we played by the rules : everybody was told to not fight back when fired upon on ascn territory as we hoped to gain our travel rights back. This letter is open because Cyvok refused to have a diplomatic discussion in-game not only once but several times. His stance was pretty clear but we had to be sure since ASCN had been a friend of SE for a long time.
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Gradinger
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Posted - 2005.12.09 09:18:00 -
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haha.. not easy to withstand flaming this post - but there¦s nuff ****e here already :P
but dewie once again u didnt get it right  - let alone eleania - clean UR glasses
or to say it with other words: Hi dewie (waves¦n¦stuff) 
Xenos r the Uber - go go go.
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HonorHarrington
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Posted - 2005.12.09 18:14:00 -
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Hmm Since you were already ganging with hostiles and shooting our pilots I really do not see the point of this post. 
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wild
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Posted - 2005.12.09 18:45:00 -
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This lasted for about a week, then KoS broke the agreement and launched a well-planned pos attack. So in reality they attacked us not the other way around, we're just fighting back. In fact Shifu was true to his word, as we nap'ed a brand new alliance made of ex-SA asap, and it was up to them to become hostiles.
well creamy u guys broke it frist you guys was 1 help defend omist but you guy stand in D2 and let NBSI and Slackers in and target us. you need to read frist before you talk!!!! and you told us that cujo is not the boss and the agreement he made is no good and he cant make one!
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wild
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Posted - 2005.12.09 18:45:00 -
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This lasted for about a week, then KoS broke the agreement and launched a well-planned pos attack. So in reality they attacked us not the other way around, we're just fighting back. In fact Shifu was true to his word, as we nap'ed a brand new alliance made of ex-SA asap, and it was up to them to become hostiles.
well creamy u guys broke it frist you guys was 1 help defend omist but you guy stand in D2 and let NBSI and Slackers in and target us. you need to read frist before you talk!!!! and you told us that cujo is not the boss and the agreement he made is no good and he cant make one!
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Tatzlwurm
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Posted - 2005.12.09 19:28:00 -
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Lets not forget to mention being locked out of stations just because pantera put up a few POS to mine at moons with (not enough to claim sovernty) after indicating this is the reason it was put up. That reason wasnt good enough for SE and thus it took about 18 hours before we could obtain docking rights again. This being done we decided it smart to NOT rely on another alliance to give us what they promised.....no im not in KOS any longer, i give SE the most respect out of all my enemies. but Creamy your not right in your statement that SE was there before KOS was formed. In fact your fleet was negotiation while inroute to Omist with Demogod. Those are the simple facts.
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Plazmalord Soban
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Posted - 2005.12.09 19:43:00 -
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Plazmalord Soban
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Posted - 2005.12.09 19:46:00 -
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Thursday Nov. 17, 2005 ( Thanksgiving day)
- KOS attacks 6t3 station.
- Soban Places POS structures in the system to be used as a forward fire base for the upcoming hostilites and to secure sovereignty.
Friday Nov. 18, 2005 û Sunday Nov. 27, 2005
- Fighting among SE and KOS continue for control of 6t3 with occassional interferences from Burn Eden. Resulting in SE regaining 6t3 once.
- KOS meets thedragoon.
- Tachyon Combined aquires thedragoon from BE for pvp training and fleet command for KOS against SE.
- Smash alliance Members of Rome are spotted using Z-7 Factory.
- KOS assumes Smash to be working with SE and are labled KOS by K.O.S.
- Z-7 and then D2E fall from the hands of SE to KOS forces.
- SE dreadnaught is cornered in z-7. Supersafe found by KOS with a few battleships and haulers and tons of Cans thru the hard work of TCT members. The dread consensoral field (sp) was located and destroyed.
- A vow of vengence from Creamster is noted in the eve-online forums.
- SE is not seen for about a week and thought to have moved on.
Wednesday Nov. 30, 2005
- SE freighter is spotted headed to Omist. And docking in an RA station.
- Effort to thrawt the freighter leads to the destruction of 7 ravens running into a NBSI fleet in Tennerifis.
- OOPS
Thursday Dec. 1, 2005
- SE haulers are seen in z-7à Later moving to D2E anchoring 51% of the moons there.
- Effort to contact SE and convo with our alliance president to come to peace terms with SE were halted when SE Said they would leave if we did the following.
- Disband as an alliance.
- Give them 20 billion isk.
- Shifu of Xenobytes made the above demands.
- KOS offered to allow SE docking rights to rebuild and exist in Omist under our terms. Meaning no pvp strikes against targets such as their enemies who might have docking rights. Stations would remain under the control of KOS. Even enjoying the same tax rate on refines at D2E.
Friday December 2, 2005
- Fighting continues.
- D2E falls due to sovereignty and lack of PVP pilots who were destroyed in the conflict with NBSI. (Which btw was an accident, both forces were surprised)
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Plazmalord Soban
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Posted - 2005.12.09 19:47:00 -
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That is how it unfolded, up to today.
SE did in fact aggress upon KOS. SE acted upon flawed intelligence. Whether or not we were SA at the time or not. Since no open dialect was opened between the 2 fleets aside from Creamys bullshyt demands and accusations. War will continue.
KOS will not leave Omist. We will keep fighting and fighting until we all have nothing left. Which should be quite a while. And if we lose it all we will make more and return in a larger force to reclaim what has been our home region for the better part of a year for some. Longer in fact for others.
We need Alliances and Corporations who are willing to assist who do not want to see the over aggressive SE mentality to succeed to gain an ounce of power in the south.
SE has been spotted in hodrold ganking people venturing in to 0.0 and it is believed RA is mining POS fuel to fuel their efforts in Omist.
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Plazmalord Soban
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Posted - 2005.12.09 20:02:00 -
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As Jerry Reed once said "hammer down!"
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DeWieKat
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Posted - 2005.12.09 20:40:00 -
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to ISD - Eshtir: this tread has been made to inform ascn about change of standings, to avoide further flaming i suggest to close the topic.
regards,
dewiekat.
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Plazmalord Soban
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Posted - 2005.12.09 21:23:00 -
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Whats the matter man? Afraid the truth is gonna drum up more support against SE? LOL guess what... this is what u guys get for being arrogant and trying to enflict your will upon those who had no reason to be at war with you to begin with.
Let the post ride. Shifu spoke... So shall we.
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Creamster
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Posted - 2005.12.09 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Creamster on 09/12/2005 21:44:00
Don't lock it yet
Plazma made an effort to write a long reply, not very correct but good enough for now. Putting up 3 pos'es when we had 2 in the system with a station is very hostile no matter how you explain it. And if those pos'es were meant for mining why did you fit them with multiple turrets but not mining arrays. You gotta be kidding me if you really think i'm buying this. In fact your attack that followed proved me right because you had all the necessary equipment and fuel to build a lot of well-armed pos'es in no time. I wish we hadn't bought your lies and kept our stations locked. Also I'm not buying this 'kos was unofficially formed long before SE attack' bs. I saw you shooting the remaining 5% of mass refinery thats it. And KOS creation date was 2001.11.11 01.07.00 not 10th of november like you said.
You simply draw a big red kos mark on your own forehead with your actions, now you just have to back up the crap you were spamming in local or leave.
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Creamster
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Posted - 2005.12.09 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: HonorHarrington
Hmm Since you were already ganging with hostiles and shooting our pilots I really do not see the point of this post.
You missed the G fleet commander saying G+SE gangs never happened didn't you? Go through your killboard and look for SE pilots you ganked, you don't see me complaining about that.
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Plazmalord Soban
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:05:00 -
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Quote:
And KOS creation date was 2001.11.11 01.07.00 not 10th of november like you said.
Worry not captain Cream Jeans. I may have been off by a day here or there but everything is laid out chronologically as it happened. SE invaded. We took nothing from you. YOU my friend are just trying to cover your butt with your friends by denying the fact that your actions against this alliance "locking us out" etc is what lead to the conflict.
We ha dno problem until that moment. And duh we arm POS's cause you aparently havent lived in Omist long enuff to know who the bad guys are around who like to frequently Pirate and gank... Oh wait ... sure ya do.. your one of em.
See ya in game.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Creamster
And KOS creation date was 2001.11.11 01.07.00
OOC
not a flame nor nothing, but that makes KOS the oldest alliance ingame, even older than EVE itself
/OOC
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Namelesz
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Posted - 2005.12.09 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Creamster
And KOS creation date was 2001.11.11 01.07.00
OOC
not a flame nor nothing, but that makes KOS the oldest alliance ingame, even older than EVE itself
/OOC
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awebon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:18:00 -
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thought i'd throw my 2 cents in here
when SE began their invasion on what they belived to be still SA space not realising that a new alliance had been formed by he residents that was put there by SA to guard the area.
After a while, the ceo's of the guardian corps that were in omist got together to discuss forming a new alliance as we were unhappy with some decisions put foward to us.
As soon as the alliance was formed we then find oursleves with SE moving in indy's, bs and pos equipment. we then agree terms with this hostile action brought forward to us. Yes they may have reduced refine tax but made it back by jacking up factory and researching slot rental.
After a short while of having to live like this we decided we had enough, we fought back, by moving in pos equipment, ships, modules. we killed some, we lost some and all that crap.
anyways my brains fried right now. thinking hurts
be back in-game over christmas, ill look forward to coming back and killing a few
much love
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Stormhold
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Posted - 2005.12.11 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Stormhold on 11/12/2005 21:11:13
Ahh, so that's who KOS alliance is and what they're doing.
I've seen a few members in space and seen sovereignity in map, but no-one I've asked from has really known anything about you guys :)
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Eshtir
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: DeWieKat
to ISD - Eshtir: this tread has been made to inform ascn about change of standings, to avoide further flaming i suggest to close the topic.
regards,
dewiekat.
Firstly, [email protected] is where you can reach us. Secondly, you are not the Original Poster / Thread starter so you cant request the lock. I wont lock the thread yet, as simply its a discussion forum, if you want to just inform other alliances i suggest you eve-mail their diplomats.
Anyway, thread remains open, back to topic please.
-Eshtir
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Creamster
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Posted - 2005.12.12 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Stormhold
Edited by: Stormhold on 11/12/2005 21:11:13
Ahh, so that's who KOS alliance is and what they're doing.
I've seen a few members in space and seen sovereignity in map, but no-one I've asked from has really known anything about you guys :)
They still got sovereignty somewhere? Aurgh, we must have missed a spot! 
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Simon Juanquar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Creamster
Originally by: Stormhold
Edited by: Stormhold on 11/12/2005 21:11:13
Ahh, so that's who KOS alliance is and what they're doing.
I've seen a few members in space and seen sovereignity in map, but no-one I've asked from has really known anything about you guys :)
They still got sovereignty somewhere? Aurgh, we must have missed a spot!
We're not quite gone yet.
Thanks for trying, though.
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Grave Peril
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Posted - 2005.12.12 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Grave Peril on 12/12/2005 13:06:47
Originally by: Creamster
Edited by: Creamster on 09/12/2005 . Also I'm not buying this 'kos was unofficially formed long before SE attack' bs.
edit: omg typo
The Unoffical aliance formed in omist by the corps that then went on to form KOS was AEOS which had its own website
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Dark Silver
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Posted - 2005.12.12 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
Sunday Nov. 6, 2005
- Painball shows up (normal)
Absolute Class :)
Other than that, yes we were AEOS before SE showed up and only managed to form the Alliance as KOS later on due to lack of someone to form it. So you see, we were split off from SA before you came down here and annoyed us and we will continue to fight back against you until we either have nothing left or you are forced out.
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Neme Sist
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Posted - 2005.12.12 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Neme Sist on 12/12/2005 15:40:45
Originally by: Creamster
Originally by: HonorHarrington
Hmm Since you were already ganging with hostiles and shooting our pilots I really do not see the point of this post.
You missed the G fleet commander saying G+SE gangs never happened didn't you? Go through your killboard and look for SE pilots you ganked, you don't see me complaining about that.
And this would be the first or last time an alliance commander would lie bout something?
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DeWieKat
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Posted - 2005.12.12 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: DeWieKat on 12/12/2005 17:13:38
Originally by: Eshtir
Originally by: DeWieKat
to ISD - Eshtir: this tread has been made to inform ascn about change of standings, to avoide further flaming i suggest to close the topic.
regards,
dewiekat.
Firstly, [email protected] is where you can reach us. Secondly, you are not the Original Poster / Thread starter so you cant request the lock. I wont lock the thread yet, as simply its a discussion forum, if you want to just inform other alliances i suggest you eve-mail their diplomats.
Anyway, thread remains open, back to topic please.
-Eshtir
well eshtir, this is a "corporations and alliances summit", so we used it to inform. shouldnt discussion treads be moved to "corporation, alliances and organisations" forum? or what purpose does it have then?
well anyway, nm.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2005.12.12 18:08:00 -
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Quote:
or what purpose does it have then?
well anyway, nm.
OOC> this forum is for in character aka Role playing posts only. the other forum is for speaking as i am now.
IC>indeed there was an unofficial alliance formed at least around August called AEOS (a** end of space) and did have its own website/forum as well as a channel. Then when SA was formed the AEOS corps joined SA, they then split of (i dont know the timing of this so i will not comment exactly when..though they had split of before i heard of SE attacks on Omist)and eventualy formed KOS again im unsure if the timing of this
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Raznarok
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Posted - 2005.12.13 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: DeWieKat
Edited by: DeWieKat on 12/12/2005 17:15:22
Edited by: DeWieKat on 12/12/2005 17:13:38
Originally by: Eshtir
Originally by: DeWieKat
to ISD - Eshtir: this tread has been made to inform ascn about change of standings, to avoide further flaming i suggest to close the topic.
regards,
dewiekat.
Firstly, [email protected] is where you can reach us. Secondly, you are not the Original Poster / Thread starter so you cant request the lock. I wont lock the thread yet, as simply its a discussion forum, if you want to just inform other alliances i suggest you eve-mail their diplomats.
Anyway, thread remains open, back to topic please.
-Eshtir
well eshtir, this is a "corporations and alliances summit", so we used it to inform. shouldnt discussion treads be moved to "corporation, alliances and organisations DISCUSSION" forum? or what purpose does it have then?
well anyway, nm.
*sigh*
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.12.14 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: CYVOK
Stay out of ASCN territory, you have no reason to be their anyway.
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But I thought it was a NOW FLY ZONE? 
Originally by: Avon
I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
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