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Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 10367	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:00:00 - [31] - Quote Ryks Nalar wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Ryks Nalar wrote: I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists. Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/ Maybe that's something that should be ticketed. It's also the name of an 80's band (best known for the hit single "blue monday", in fact googling the term New Order brings up links mainly relating to that band, ergo New Order is mostly associated with the band formerly known as Joy Division, not some crackpot neo-nasty religious group, and hence doesn't break the rules you linked. I should hope if you know anything about history at all though that you would recognise that the New Order is what **** was trying to bring about in WW2, which is why it is now the name of an organisation devoted to carrying on his beliefs. There are literally hundreds of bands who's names would not be allowed by the EVE naming rules. There are names of bands that I'm not even allowed to post here, so the fact that it is also a band is beside the point. I'm well aware of the events of WW2, I've heard them first hand from people that fought in that particular war, and as a military brat it was a subject oft discussed in school. I've never heard of your particular New Order, I have heard of the band though, even seen them live. There again I have no time for quasi religious groups except in the satirical sense, and I definitely have no time for neo-nasty groups who follow the beliefs of a failed Austrian house painter and former Corporal. "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."
Verunae Caseti Viziam Amarr Empire 95	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:03:00 - [32] - Quote TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 425	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:04:00 - [33] - Quote Ryks Nalar wrote: What you say the name was picked for doesn't really matter. I find it offensive for a bloody good reason, and so may many others. That's what matters. Are we're going to have Holocaust themed corp names next? Already there with all the religious bashing allowed in the game, and worse even racial. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 2314	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:05:00 - [34] - Quote ImmutableDark wrote: So I was mining in High Sec listening to disco at my keyboard when all of a sudden what should happen? A group of TERRORISTS comes along and accuses me of mining without a license! I all of a sudden need a mining license to mine veldspar? They blow up my mining barge and demand that I pay homage to James 315, pay 10million isk a year to mine and put a message in my bio stating that James 315 is the savior of high sec among other things. THIS IS HARASSMENT HIGH SEC IS SUPPOSED TO BE 100% SAFE FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO FLY SPACESHIPS!!!!! I just want to fly spaceships and be happy! I want to run missions and mine! I don't see why I should fall victim to HACKERS who EXPLOIT the GAME MECHANICS to HARASS people. I'm a cripple and the only enjoyment I get out of life is watching timers go down in internet spaceship games. You're just losing CCP money when miners leave the game because you blew their hard earned ships up. I'll admit, I actually laughed at this, now i feel like I'm going to hell because I laughed at a crippled guy lol/ 8/10 at least.
Thorn Galen Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 1232	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:06:00 - [35] - Quote ImmutableDark wrote: So I was mining in High Sec listening to disco at my keyboard when all of a sudden what should happen? A group of TERRORISTS comes along and accuses me of mining without a license! I all of a sudden need a mining license to mine veldspar? They blow up my mining barge and demand that I pay homage to James 315, pay 10million isk a year to mine and put a message in my bio stating that James 315 is the savior of high sec among other things. THIS IS HARASSMENT HIGH SEC IS SUPPOSED TO BE 100% SAFE FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO FLY SPACESHIPS!!!!! I just want to fly spaceships and be happy! I want to run missions and mine! I don't see why I should fall victim to HACKERS who EXPLOIT the GAME MECHANICS to HARASS people. I'm a cripple and the only enjoyment I get out of life is watching timers go down in internet spaceship games. You're just losing CCP money when miners leave the game because you blew their hard earned ships up. Troll. But worth a chuckle. Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 2316	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:06:00 - [36] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Ryks Nalar wrote: What you say the name was picked for doesn't really matter. I find it offensive for a bloody good reason, and so may many others. That's what matters. Are we're going to have Holocaust themed corp names next? Already there with all the religious bashing allowed in the game, and worse even racial. The was a corp in the game called "The Final Solution". A day later i saw the same guys in "Amarr Corp 172056723321" lol.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 426	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:07:00 - [37] - Quote Verunae Caseti wrote: TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe. It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Whitehound 1521	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:12:00 - [38] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. There is Waffle-Eisen, gefuellte Waffle and Eiswaffle, too! How can you be so sure it is NS-related? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 445	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:12:00 - [39] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Verunae Caseti wrote: TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe. It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal. Waffe means "weapon". Translated thusly, Luftwaffe means "Air Force". Any connotations you add to the definition of a word, are ones you add yourself. Your ignorance is appalling. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 10368	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:13:00 - [40] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Verunae Caseti wrote: TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe. It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal. If it's so offensive why is the German Airforce still called the Luftwaffe? "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."
Verunae Caseti Viziam Amarr Empire 95	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:14:00 - [41] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. There is Waffle-Eisen, gefuellte Waffle and Eiswaffle, too! How can you be so sure it is NS-related? Because the corporation with the name are self-professed trolls, and act like dicks about a lot of other stuff? More power to them, and I don't think CCP should intervene in any way, but I also think it's silly to discuss it as if they didn't obviously mean for it to be offensive. Come on.
Ryks Nalar Hedion University Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:17:00 - [42] - Quote Verunae Caseti wrote: Whitehound wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. There is Waffle-Eisen, gefuellte Waffle and Eiswaffle, too! How can you be so sure it is NS-related? Because the corporation with the name are self-professed trolls, and act like dicks about a lot of other stuff? More power to them, and I don't think CCP should intervene in any way, but I also think it's silly to discuss it as if they didn't obviously mean for it to be offensive. Come on. Well there's a difference to a name sounding the same as both names are German, and a name being a name of an active religious organisation. Goonwaffe is not an active religious organisation. I do wonder though, if one started now, would the rules apply even though Goonwaffe the in game entity started first?
Whitehound 1522	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:24:00 - [43] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: Verunae Caseti wrote: TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe. It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal. Waffe means "weapon". Translated thusly, Luftwaffe means "Air Force". Any connotations you add to the definition of a word, are ones you add yourself. Your ignorance is appalling. So is yours. Your translation is wrong, because "Force" means "Kraft" and does not mean the same as weapon. You only translate it wrong, because you want it to be associated with "Waffe" and ignore the context in which you try to establish your "translation". Pro-tip: GoonWaff(l)e taste best with noob juice. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 2316	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:31:00 - [44] - Quote [quote=Kaarous Aldurald Waffe means "weapon". [/quote] Really? So, because the word "Goon" (from the old slang Gooney, like a Gooney Bird) traditionally meant " A stupid or oafish person, a simpleton" , then "Goonwaffe" literally translates to "Simpleton Force"? Sounds about right
ImmutableDark The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 33	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:35:00 - [45] - Quote Verunae Caseti wrote: When you reduce the art of trolling to basically "Saying really dumb stuff and waiting for people to notice" and you STILL can't do it successfully, you should really start asking some pressing questions of yourself. If you find the experience of speaking to yourself disconerting, I suggest using a mirror to make it feel like a conversation. Just try not to lose your temper - you could end up with some nasty cuts. As a Masorti Jew I am expressly forbidden from trolling. I don't know how your ancient Hebrew is but in the torah it reads "hakek malachu mesiya o bama tanku helel ishayu machischki alamayk". This roughly translates to those who troll are not with god. My Jew hat that I wear tells me that there is always a God above me and that I should be considerate of his will. That's why I'm a zionist and support the occupation of Palestine and the persecution of it's people because I see it as God's divine will and you should too. I'm a Jew you can trust me.
Xavier Higdon Breakwater Holding Inc. 0	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:35:00 - [46] - Quote How did this go from a troll thread to discussing the secret meaning behind "waffe" and how it relates to the Illuminati and Free Masons taking over EvE.(extra conspiracy theory elements added to convey how dumb the argument is.) The Goonwaffe was started by an American, and only in America(where I live) are generic German words equated with evil. The reason behind the choice is probably pretty simple, attempting to evoke images of a large, mean and evil group. But that only matters to Americans, who don't speak German and are therefore only exposed to the word "waffe" as it applies to WW2. After all, today we talk about the German Airforce, not the Luftwaffe. And Ace, for a guy that hates PCs as much as you do, you spend a lot of time on them.
Q 5 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:39:00 - [47] - Quote If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach. CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here. Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along. So you break it down. 1. Use CCP in your post cause people can't resist cause it's like invoking the (I'm telling mom on you). 2. Use words like violation and unauthorized, this gets people upset and they smack their lips and get frustrated by saying you did something wrong. (People don't like being told their wrong). 3. Bring their crime to light, make accusations that are reasonable and make it clear your being victimized, what this does is get them (violators) thinking to want to say stuff like STFU and HTFU. 4. Always say they are messing up your good time, griefers and trolls love that. 5. Say stuff like YOU and others should be left alone, this angers people who believe it is THEIR right to do as they please. 6. Always, Always question their morals or intelligence, this gets them hooked many a times cause now your questioning them in their RL behavior and people hate that. 7. Don't attack with name calling cause it's boring they have heard it before. 8. Just remember a proper troll prepares an attacking by sounding sincere, smart yet making grammar errors, and able to dodge punches from other would be trolls by using wit not insults. Remember in the end most people are just monkeys ready to pounce on a banana don't throw them a rock.
Xen Solarus Inner 5phere 460	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:45:00 - [48] - Quote The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it. Don't feed the trolls people. Post with your main, like a BOSS!
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 430	Posted - 2013.07.12 15:51:00 - [49] - Quote Q 5 wrote: If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach. CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here. Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along. Simplest solution is: give them good o' boys guns! They can police themselves. But CCP isn't going to do that, because without something human to hunt bots, they'll overcome the game. But New Order isn't about fixing the bot problem, so they're just as bad as the bots. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 10370	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:07:00 - [50] - Quote Q 5 wrote: If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach. CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here. Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along. Miners have the right to try and mine, just as the gankers have the right to try and stop them from doing so, that's the beauty of a game that allows you to choose how you want to play it. You can't advocate changing the game so that nobody should be able to affect the way that a miner chooses to play Eve, while changing the game so that the way gankers choose to play is affected, that's called hypocrisy. "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."
Plastic Psycho Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 91	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:09:00 - [51] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Q 5 wrote: If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach. CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here. Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along. Simplest solution is: give them good o' boys guns! They can police themselves. But CCP isn't going to do that, because without something human to hunt bots, they'll overcome the game. But New Order isn't about fixing the bot problem, so they're just as bad as the bots. Who needs guns? Ran across a nest of Retrievers last night, mining away. Their drones? Mosly EW drones - very few combat drones. Good mix - able to shut down a gank long enough for Concord to arrive, and able to deal with any plausible rats. The only plausible threat would then be either bumping, or a very much more expensive gank boat / fleet. Dunno about anyone else, but I'm not throwing an AF or crusier way on a simple miner gank. Maybe if there were enough targets close together, I could see using a suicide disco BS. But how often does that chance come up?
Effect One Vengeful Swan 69	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:15:00 - [52] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Steam is having their summer sale: X3:Terran Conflict for only $3.99 Holy **** that's a bargain and a half Batman!
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 20818	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:24:00 - [53] - Quote Xen Solarus wrote: The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it. Don't feed the trolls people. Seriously. It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward. The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them. They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL. THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely.
Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 10373	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:26:00 - [54] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Xen Solarus wrote: The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it. Don't feed the trolls people. Seriously. It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward. The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them. They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL. THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely. I must disagree with you there Krixtal, the majority of the New Order guys are in one alliance, they have some independent operators who fly under their flag, some of which are in NPC corps, the rest of which are in various player corps. "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 20818	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:29:00 - [55] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Xen Solarus wrote: The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it. Don't feed the trolls people. Seriously. It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward. The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them. They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL. THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely. I must disagree with you there Krixtal, the majority of the New Order guys are in one alliance, they have some independent operators who fly under their flag, some of which are in NPC corps, the rest of which are in various player corps. Probably true. But the only ones I've encountered in Derelik are NPC 100%.
Ajar Arjar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:31:00 - [56] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Xen Solarus wrote: The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it. Don't feed the trolls people. Seriously. It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward. The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them. They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL. THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely. I must disagree with you there Krixtal, the majority of the New Order guys are in one alliance, they have some independent operators who fly under their flag, some of which are in NPC corps, the rest of which are in various player corps. You are woefully ill-informed. There are MANY hidden Knights.
Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 10373	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:33:00 - [57] - Quote Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik. "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 430	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:37:00 - [58] - Quote Plastic Psycho wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: Q 5 wrote: If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach. CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here. Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along. Simplest solution is: give them good o' boys guns! They can police themselves. But CCP isn't going to do that, because without something human to hunt bots, they'll overcome the game. But New Order isn't about fixing the bot problem, so they're just as bad as the bots. Who needs guns? Ran across a nest of Retrievers last night, mining away. Their drones? Mosly EW drones - very few combat drones. Good mix - able to shut down a gank long enough for Concord to arrive, and able to deal with any plausible rats. The only plausible threat would then be either bumping, or a very much more expensive gank boat / fleet. Dunno about anyone else, but I'm not throwing an AF or crusier way on a simple miner gank. Maybe if there were enough targets close together, I could see using a suicide disco BS. But how often does that chance come up? Very few combat drones = hoping your tank survives, because there's 1 mid on a retriever designed for it's survey module. And depending on the system, and the usual ganker dessie with Ions, that's not long if he hits hard before EWAR intervenes. A typical Retriever has a tad over 2000 shields, which Ions slice through. So efforts to "teach" miners about evading damage even falls short without the defenses and offenses. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 10380	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:39:00 - [59] - Quote Ajar Arjar wrote: You are woefully ill-informed. There are MANY hidden Knights. I'm not denying that there are Knights of the Order that aren't in CODE, or officially associated with them. I'm a regular user of the NO chatroom and a shareholder/occasional Knight myself. "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 450	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:40:00 - [60] - Quote "RRRrrrr! CCP! Ban someone who did something I don't like! I can't be bothered to defend myself, I should be perfectly safe no matter where in highsec I choose to go afk! Ganking is griefing, Rrr, split up the servers into Felluca and Trammel!" That's what I hear every time someone complains about ganking in highsec. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á

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