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ImmutableDark
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:53:00 -
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So I was mining in High Sec listening to disco at my keyboard when all of a sudden what should happen? A group of TERRORISTS comes along and accuses me of mining without a license! I all of a sudden need a mining license to mine veldspar? They blow up my mining barge and demand that I pay homage to James 315, pay 10million isk a year to mine and put a message in my bio stating that James 315 is the savior of high sec among other things.
THIS IS HARASSMENT HIGH SEC IS SUPPOSED TO BE 100% SAFE FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO FLY SPACESHIPS!!!!! I just want to fly spaceships and be happy! I want to run missions and mine! I don't see why I should fall victim to HACKERS who EXPLOIT the GAME MECHANICS to HARASS people. I'm a cripple and the only enjoyment I get out of life is watching timers go down in internet spaceship games. You're just losing CCP money when miners leave the game because you blew their hard earned ships up. Elite Forum Warrior. |

Temmu Guerra
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
118
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:56:00 -
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2/10 Troll attempt...
you laid it on too thick. |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1585
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:56:00 -
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yes |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
119
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:56:00 -
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Well allow me to retort
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |

stoicfaux
2936
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:56:00 -
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Steam is having their summer sale: X3:Terran Conflict for only $3.99: http://store.steampowered.com/app/2820/ Or you can pick up the entire X2 to X3 series for $19.99.
Oh, wait, did you actually mean "I'm trolling, look at me! Look at me!"? Sorry, my bad, please ignore my response.
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Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
9
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:06:00 -
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ImmutableDark wrote:So I was mining in High Sec listening to disco at my keyboard .
This should be enough to blow your ship |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
729
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:09:00 -
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ImmutableDark wrote:So I was mining in High Sec listening to disco at my keyboard when all of a sudden what should happen? A group of TERRORISTS comes along and accuses me of mining without a license! I all of a sudden need a mining license to mine veldspar? They blow up my mining barge and demand that I pay homage to James 315, pay 10million isk a year to mine and put a message in my bio stating that James 315 is the savior of high sec among other things.
THIS IS HARASSMENT HIGH SEC IS SUPPOSED TO BE 100% SAFE FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO FLY SPACESHIPS!!!!! I just want to fly spaceships and be happy! I want to run missions and mine! I don't see why I should fall victim to HACKERS who EXPLOIT the GAME MECHANICS to HARASS people. I'm a cripple and the only enjoyment I get out of life is watching timers go down in internet spaceship games. You're just losing CCP money when miners leave the game because you blew their hard earned ships up. You're trying to hard, this is old news, just move (that last just in case you've been living under a rock for the last year *or* aren't a 315 troll/bottom feeder/sycophant).
Edit to add: You are *no* kind of "elite forum anything".
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |

Multor Kaston
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:09:00 -
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Let's intrude on someone else's fun because we have a God complex about how this game should be played. That is essentially the mindset of most of those who support the actions of the Order.
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Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
27
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:13:00 -
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Temmu Guerra wrote:2/10 Troll attempt...
you laid it on too thick.
Sad thing is that people will still fall for it. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
159
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:16:00 -
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ImmutableDark wrote:So I was mining in High Sec listening to disco at my keyboard when all of a sudden what should happen? A group of TERRORISTS comes along and accuses me of mining without a license! I all of a sudden need a mining license to mine veldspar? They blow up my mining barge and demand that I pay homage to James 315, pay 10million isk a year to mine and put a message in my bio stating that James 315 is the savior of high sec among other things.
THIS IS HARASSMENT HIGH SEC IS SUPPOSED TO BE 100% SAFE FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO FLY SPACESHIPS!!!!! I just want to fly spaceships and be happy! I want to run missions and mine! I don't see why I should fall victim to HACKERS who EXPLOIT the GAME MECHANICS to HARASS people. I'm a cripple and the only enjoyment I get out of life is watching timers go down in internet spaceship games. You're just losing CCP money when miners leave the game because you blew their hard earned ships up. Yeah those guys are douches. Luckily the only sit aroud nthe one area of space and are pretty bad at what they do. Get yourself a procurer or a skiff, and put a tank on it. you lsoe a small amount of m3/hour but not much. You should also move to a different area if you can, as they tend to harass people by bumping them for hours on end.
I don't high sec mine, but it's your choice how you want to play the game so you have every right to do that. They however do have every right to stop you, so best to just leave them to their tiny area of space rather than feeding them kills.
Alternatively you could fight back against them. I usually try to score a few new order kills a month with my alt to assist in keeping them in line. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Private Pineapple
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability Reckless Ambition
398
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:16:00 -
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lol I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum. |

Fassin-Taak
Boris Johnson's Love Children
1
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:17:00 -
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No high-sec is not meant to be 100% safe and you should be banned for clogging up the forums with **** |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
440
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:17:00 -
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Multor Kaston wrote:Let's intrude on someone else's fun because we have a God complex about how this game should be played. That is essentially the mindset of most of those who support the actions of the Order. 
Not true, my friend. I support the New Order for economic reasons. I enjoy having my competition put down, and I enjoy the better sales prices in those areas as a result.
I also thoroughly approve of the defeat of the bots, and the bot aspirants. Such "people", are literally paying not to play the game. Hardly fitting of someone I would call my equal as a "gamer". The quality of the playerbase has been improved as a result. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2894
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:19:00 -
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0/10
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
422
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:23:00 -
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Not banned (it's an allowable game play), but effective counters (and the devs know harvesting is a solo activity, and making ships with zero offenses is for cheap ganking and pure lazy programming).
The game is setup like this: PvPers need something to kill for PvP to work. To reward PvPers of all stripes the kills have to be difficult for the pros, but also easy for wash outs. Since EvE is also a game about resource control, one method is to kill the harvesters. If it's around the edges of the design it's tolerable, because the miners will accept it as part of the game play. But when it becomes THE tactic in High-Sec, then if it's allowed it disrupts the game itself (since it's about resources and controlling access to them. Do too much interrupting the whole system suffers).
The mining ship changes didn't occur in a vacuum or devs saying, "it's time for ship revamps". It's to counter some of the mess that these gankers have created without upsetting the apple cart too much (it helped on eliminating the problems with can-flipping). But mining ships are still designed to not fight back. It's still depended on a group to protect them, when harvesting is a solo activity (EQII tried to make Tradeskilling a group activity, those group instances died pretty fast, and tradeskillers do them solo now). No PvPer likes to babysit. Which encourages solo harvesting, so gankers can have easy prey.
The problem is the flaw in the design, and players aren't going to resolve it, because it's counter in what they consider fun (and it's not babysitting a solo activity). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Xavier Higdon
Breakwater Holding Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:26:00 -
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Did I just witness the birth of a New Order alt? It's a miracle! A wonder of nature! Now let's capture it, run painful experiments on it and poke it with sharp sticks! |

Ryks Nalar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:35:00 -
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I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists. Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/
Maybe that's something that should be ticketed. |

Tinker Vuld
New Order Logistics CODE.
19
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:40:00 -
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Lets all play along together... Bingo www.minerbumping.com - study it, live it, breathe it, for The Code shall set you free. |

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1544
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:41:00 -
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Ryks Nalar wrote:I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists. Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/Maybe that's something that should be ticketed.
It is both incredibly stupid and incredibly offensive to try and compare a "New Order" organisation in the game universe to real life extremist groups. "New Order" is nowhere near a violation of the user policy. Go back to spacelawyer school, because you are bad at it.
You are also genuinely a bad human being if you compare shooting spaceships in a game to real life bigotry and atrocities.
Hope this helps |

Felicity Love
Interstellar Booty Hunters
745
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:42:00 -
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Naw... they're just misunderstood, despite having used small words. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |

Frying Doom
2518
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:42:00 -
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Why does this look like yet another attempt by them to gain publicity.
Old News, Move along. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10366
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:45:00 -
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Ryks Nalar wrote:I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists. Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/Maybe that's something that should be ticketed. It's also the name of an 80's band (best known for the hit single "blue monday", in fact googling the term New Order brings up links mainly relating to that band, ergo New Order is mostly associated with the band formerly known as Joy Division, not some crackpot neo-nasty religious group, and hence doesn't break the rules you linked.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
423
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:46:00 -
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Ryks Nalar wrote:I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists. Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/Maybe that's something that should be ticketed.
That would open an even messier problem of players (especially Atheists) that have also created corps to mock religions and skirting the rules. They technically violated no rules with the names, but their message is well known.
Same with the Goons using waffe in their names, which can relate to **** Germany (Luftwaffe for example).
So if folks are going after what the names may imply, there's a lot of corps in EvE that will get those funny generic names due to it.
I'm not a PC type, but can see why games don't allow this stuff, because cleaning it up latter is a mess. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ryks Nalar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:48:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Ryks Nalar wrote:I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists. Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/Maybe that's something that should be ticketed. It is both incredibly stupid and incredibly offensive to try and compare a "New Order" organisation in the game universe to real life extremist groups. "New Order" is nowhere near a violation of the user policy. Go back to spacelawyer school, because you are bad at it. You are also genuinely a bad human being if you compare shooting spaceships in a game to real life bigotry and atrocities. Hope this helps Erm... No? They are called New Order. There is a real life religious organisation called New Order. The rule states: "Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups." The fact that they use the same name is clearly a violation.
The fact that they act in a fashion similar to the real New Order is simply my personal observation, and so is unrelated to the fact that their name violates policy. |

Whitehound
1521
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:50:00 -
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They should be imprisoned in W-space without exits for a year. A W-space with no sleeper sites but only belts. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1545
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:53:00 -
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Ryks Nalar wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Ryks Nalar wrote:I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists. Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/Maybe that's something that should be ticketed. It is both incredibly stupid and incredibly offensive to try and compare a "New Order" organisation in the game universe to real life extremist groups. "New Order" is nowhere near a violation of the user policy. Go back to spacelawyer school, because you are bad at it. You are also genuinely a bad human being if you compare shooting spaceships in a game to real life bigotry and atrocities. Hope this helps Erm... No? They are called New Order. There is a real life religious organisation called New Order. The rule states: "Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups." The fact that they use the same name is clearly a violation. The fact that they act in a fashion similar to the real New Order is simply my personal observation, and so is unrelated to the fact that their name violates policy.
There's also a band called new order.
And our actions are not glorifying or emulating any existent group or band.
Hope this helps, spacelawyer.
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Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:53:00 -
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When you reduce the art of trolling to basically "Saying really dumb stuff and waiting for people to notice" and you STILL can't do it successfully, you should really start asking some pressing questions of yourself.
If you find the experience of speaking to yourself disconerting, I suggest using a mirror to make it feel like a conversation. Just try not to lose your temper - you could end up with some nasty cuts. |

Ryks Nalar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:54:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ryks Nalar wrote:I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists. Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/Maybe that's something that should be ticketed. It's also the name of an 80's band (best known for the hit single "blue monday", in fact googling the term New Order brings up links mainly relating to that band, ergo New Order is mostly associated with the band formerly known as Joy Division, not some crackpot neo-nasty religious group, and hence doesn't break the rules you linked. I should hope if you know anything about history at all though that you would recognise that the New Order is what ****** was trying to bring about in WW2, which is why it is now the name of an organisation devoted to carrying on his beliefs. There are literally hundreds of bands who's names would not be allowed by the EVE naming rules. There are names of bands that I'm not even allowed to post here, so the fact that it is also a band is beside the point. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10366
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:55:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote: Same with the Goons using waffe in their names, which can relate to **** Germany (Luftwaffe for example).
Luftwaffe is still the name of the German Airforce so it can hardly be termed offensive, in fact Luft means Air, and Waffe is Arm(weapon) or Talon. So Goonwaffe literally translated would be thugs with weapons, rather apt.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Ryks Nalar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:56:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Ryks Nalar wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Ryks Nalar wrote:I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists. Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/Maybe that's something that should be ticketed. It is both incredibly stupid and incredibly offensive to try and compare a "New Order" organisation in the game universe to real life extremist groups. "New Order" is nowhere near a violation of the user policy. Go back to spacelawyer school, because you are bad at it. You are also genuinely a bad human being if you compare shooting spaceships in a game to real life bigotry and atrocities. Hope this helps Erm... No? They are called New Order. There is a real life religious organisation called New Order. The rule states: "Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups." The fact that they use the same name is clearly a violation. The fact that they act in a fashion similar to the real New Order is simply my personal observation, and so is unrelated to the fact that their name violates policy. There's also a band called new order. And our actions are not glorifying or emulating any existent group or band. Hope this helps, spacelawyer. What you say the name was picked for doesn't really matter. I find it offensive for a bloody good reason, and so may many others. That's what matters. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10367
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:00:00 -
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Ryks Nalar wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ryks Nalar wrote:I'm just surprised that the New Order still exists. Bearing in mind the name they have "New Order" is the name of a neo-**** religious group and their beliefs are similar, how does their name not violate half the rules on here: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/Maybe that's something that should be ticketed. It's also the name of an 80's band (best known for the hit single "blue monday", in fact googling the term New Order brings up links mainly relating to that band, ergo New Order is mostly associated with the band formerly known as Joy Division, not some crackpot neo-nasty religious group, and hence doesn't break the rules you linked. I should hope if you know anything about history at all though that you would recognise that the New Order is what ****** was trying to bring about in WW2, which is why it is now the name of an organisation devoted to carrying on his beliefs. There are literally hundreds of bands who's names would not be allowed by the EVE naming rules. There are names of bands that I'm not even allowed to post here, so the fact that it is also a band is beside the point. I'm well aware of the events of WW2, I've heard them first hand from people that fought in that particular war, and as a military brat it was a subject oft discussed in school. I've never heard of your particular New Order, I have heard of the band though, even seen them live. There again I have no time for quasi religious groups except in the satirical sense, and I definitely have no time for neo-nasty groups who follow the beliefs of a failed Austrian house painter and former Corporal.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:03:00 -
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TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
425
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:04:00 -
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Ryks Nalar wrote:What you say the name was picked for doesn't really matter. I find it offensive for a bloody good reason, and so may many others. That's what matters.
Are we're going to have Holocaust themed corp names next? Already there with all the religious bashing allowed in the game, and worse even racial.  "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2314
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:05:00 -
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ImmutableDark wrote:So I was mining in High Sec listening to disco at my keyboard when all of a sudden what should happen? A group of TERRORISTS comes along and accuses me of mining without a license! I all of a sudden need a mining license to mine veldspar? They blow up my mining barge and demand that I pay homage to James 315, pay 10million isk a year to mine and put a message in my bio stating that James 315 is the savior of high sec among other things.
THIS IS HARASSMENT HIGH SEC IS SUPPOSED TO BE 100% SAFE FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO FLY SPACESHIPS!!!!! I just want to fly spaceships and be happy! I want to run missions and mine! I don't see why I should fall victim to HACKERS who EXPLOIT the GAME MECHANICS to HARASS people. I'm a cripple and the only enjoyment I get out of life is watching timers go down in internet spaceship games. You're just losing CCP money when miners leave the game because you blew their hard earned ships up.
I'll admit, I actually laughed at this, now i feel like I'm going to hell because I laughed at a crippled guy lol/
8/10 at least.
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1232
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:06:00 -
[35] - Quote
ImmutableDark wrote:So I was mining in High Sec listening to disco at my keyboard when all of a sudden what should happen? A group of TERRORISTS comes along and accuses me of mining without a license! I all of a sudden need a mining license to mine veldspar? They blow up my mining barge and demand that I pay homage to James 315, pay 10million isk a year to mine and put a message in my bio stating that James 315 is the savior of high sec among other things.
THIS IS HARASSMENT HIGH SEC IS SUPPOSED TO BE 100% SAFE FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO FLY SPACESHIPS!!!!! I just want to fly spaceships and be happy! I want to run missions and mine! I don't see why I should fall victim to HACKERS who EXPLOIT the GAME MECHANICS to HARASS people. I'm a cripple and the only enjoyment I get out of life is watching timers go down in internet spaceship games. You're just losing CCP money when miners leave the game because you blew their hard earned ships up.
Troll. But worth a chuckle. Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2316
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:06:00 -
[36] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Ryks Nalar wrote:What you say the name was picked for doesn't really matter. I find it offensive for a bloody good reason, and so may many others. That's what matters. Are we're going to have Holocaust themed corp names next? Already there with all the religious bashing allowed in the game, and worse even racial. 
The was a corp in the game called "The Final Solution". A day later i saw the same guys in "Amarr Corp 172056723321" lol.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
426
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:07:00 -
[37] - Quote
Verunae Caseti wrote:TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe.
It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS.
Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Whitehound
1521
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:12:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. There is Waffle-Eisen, gefuellte Waffle and Eiswaffle, too! How can you be so sure it is NS-related? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
445
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:12:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Verunae Caseti wrote:TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe. It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal.
Waffe means "weapon". Translated thusly, Luftwaffe means "Air Force".
Any connotations you add to the definition of a word, are ones you add yourself. Your ignorance is appalling. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10368
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:13:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Verunae Caseti wrote:TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe. It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal. If it's so offensive why is the German Airforce still called the Luftwaffe?
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:14:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. There is Waffle-Eisen, gefuellte Waffle and Eiswaffle, too! How can you be so sure it is NS-related?
Because the corporation with the name are self-professed trolls, and act like dicks about a lot of other stuff?
More power to them, and I don't think CCP should intervene in any way, but I also think it's silly to discuss it as if they didn't obviously mean for it to be offensive. Come on. |

Ryks Nalar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:17:00 -
[42] - Quote
Verunae Caseti wrote:Whitehound wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. There is Waffle-Eisen, gefuellte Waffle and Eiswaffle, too! How can you be so sure it is NS-related? Because the corporation with the name are self-professed trolls, and act like dicks about a lot of other stuff? More power to them, and I don't think CCP should intervene in any way, but I also think it's silly to discuss it as if they didn't obviously mean for it to be offensive. Come on. Well there's a difference to a name sounding the same as both names are German, and a name being a name of an active religious organisation. Goonwaffe is not an active religious organisation. I do wonder though, if one started now, would the rules apply even though Goonwaffe the in game entity started first? |

Whitehound
1522
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 15:24:00 -
[43] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Verunae Caseti wrote:TIL it's Goonwaffe and not GoonwaffLe. It is Luftwaffe. Same as the Waffen-SS. Folks know the meaning. This is mostly a European game and such things are much more personal there than in the US, they got hurt by it up close and personal. Waffe means "weapon". Translated thusly, Luftwaffe means "Air Force". Any connotations you add to the definition of a word, are ones you add yourself. Your ignorance is appalling. So is yours.
Your translation is wrong, because "Force" means "Kraft" and does not mean the same as weapon. You only translate it wrong, because you want it to be associated with "Waffe" and ignore the context in which you try to establish your "translation".
Pro-tip: GoonWaff(l)e taste best with noob juice. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2316
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 15:31:00 -
[44] - Quote
[quote=Kaarous Aldurald
Waffe means "weapon". [/quote]
Really?
So, because the word "Goon" (from the old slang Gooney, like a Gooney Bird) traditionally meant " A stupid or oafish person, a simpleton" , then "Goonwaffe" literally translates to "Simpleton Force"?
Sounds about right  |

ImmutableDark
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
33
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 15:35:00 -
[45] - Quote
Verunae Caseti wrote:When you reduce the art of trolling to basically "Saying really dumb stuff and waiting for people to notice" and you STILL can't do it successfully, you should really start asking some pressing questions of yourself.
If you find the experience of speaking to yourself disconerting, I suggest using a mirror to make it feel like a conversation. Just try not to lose your temper - you could end up with some nasty cuts.
As a Masorti Jew I am expressly forbidden from trolling. I don't know how your ancient Hebrew is but in the torah it reads "hakek malachu mesiya o bama tanku helel ishayu machischki alamayk". This roughly translates to those who troll are not with god. My Jew hat that I wear tells me that there is always a God above me and that I should be considerate of his will. That's why I'm a zionist and support the occupation of Palestine and the persecution of it's people because I see it as God's divine will and you should too. I'm a Jew you can trust me. |

Xavier Higdon
Breakwater Holding Inc.
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 15:35:00 -
[46] - Quote
How did this go from a troll thread to discussing the secret meaning behind "waffe" and how it relates to the Illuminati and Free Masons taking over EvE.(extra conspiracy theory elements added to convey how dumb the argument is.) The Goonwaffe was started by an American, and only in America(where I live) are generic German words equated with evil. The reason behind the choice is probably pretty simple, attempting to evoke images of a large, mean and evil group. But that only matters to Americans, who don't speak German and are therefore only exposed to the word "waffe" as it applies to WW2. After all, today we talk about the German Airforce, not the Luftwaffe. And Ace, for a guy that hates PCs as much as you do, you spend a lot of time on them. |

Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
108
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 15:39:00 -
[47] - Quote
If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.
CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here. Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.
So you break it down.
1. Use CCP in your post cause people can't resist cause it's like invoking the (I'm telling mom on you).
2. Use words like violation and unauthorized, this gets people upset and they smack their lips and get frustrated by saying you did something wrong. (People don't like being told their wrong).
3. Bring their crime to light, make accusations that are reasonable and make it clear your being victimized, what this does is get them (violators) thinking to want to say stuff like STFU and HTFU.
4. Always say they are messing up your good time, griefers and trolls love that.
5. Say stuff like YOU and others should be left alone, this angers people who believe it is THEIR right to do as they please.
6. Always, Always question their morals or intelligence, this gets them hooked many a times cause now your questioning them in their RL behavior and people hate that.
7. Don't attack with name calling cause it's boring they have heard it before.
8. Just remember a proper troll prepares an attacking by sounding sincere, smart yet making grammar errors, and able to dodge punches from other would be trolls by using wit not insults.
Remember in the end most people are just monkeys ready to pounce on a banana don't throw them a rock. |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
460
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 15:45:00 -
[48] - Quote
The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it.
Don't feed the trolls people. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
430
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 15:51:00 -
[49] - Quote
Q 5 wrote:If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.
CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here. Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.
Simplest solution is: give them good o' boys guns!
They can police themselves.
But CCP isn't going to do that, because without something human to hunt bots, they'll overcome the game. But New Order isn't about fixing the bot problem, so they're just as bad as the bots. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
|

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10370
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:07:00 -
[50] - Quote
Q 5 wrote:If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.
CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here. Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.
Miners have the right to try and mine, just as the gankers have the right to try and stop them from doing so, that's the beauty of a game that allows you to choose how you want to play it.
You can't advocate changing the game so that nobody should be able to affect the way that a miner chooses to play Eve, while changing the game so that the way gankers choose to play is affected, that's called hypocrisy.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
91
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:09:00 -
[51] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Q 5 wrote:If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.
CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here. Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.
Simplest solution is: give them good o' boys guns!They can police themselves. But CCP isn't going to do that, because without something human to hunt bots, they'll overcome the game. But New Order isn't about fixing the bot problem, so they're just as bad as the bots. Who needs guns? Ran across a nest of Retrievers last night, mining away. Their drones? Mosly EW drones - very few combat drones. Good mix - able to shut down a gank long enough for Concord to arrive, and able to deal with any plausible rats.
The only plausible threat would then be either bumping, or a very much more expensive gank boat / fleet. Dunno about anyone else, but I'm not throwing an AF or crusier way on a simple miner gank. Maybe if there were enough targets close together, I could see using a suicide disco BS. But how often does that chance come up? |

Effect One
Vengeful Swan
69
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:15:00 -
[52] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Steam is having their summer sale: X3:Terran Conflict for only $3.99
Holy **** that's a bargain and a half Batman! |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
20818
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:24:00 -
[53] - Quote
Xen Solarus wrote:The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it.
Don't feed the trolls people.
Seriously.
It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward.
The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them.
They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL.
THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10373
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:26:00 -
[54] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it.
Don't feed the trolls people. Seriously. It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward. The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them. They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL. THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely. I must disagree with you there Krixtal, the majority of the New Order guys are in one alliance, they have some independent operators who fly under their flag, some of which are in NPC corps, the rest of which are in various player corps.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
20818
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:29:00 -
[55] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it.
Don't feed the trolls people. Seriously. It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward. The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them. They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL. THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely. I must disagree with you there Krixtal, the majority of the New Order guys are in one alliance, they have some independent operators who fly under their flag, some of which are in NPC corps, the rest of which are in various player corps.
Probably true. But the only ones I've encountered in Derelik are NPC 100%. |

Ajar Arjar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:31:00 -
[56] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:The new order is just another scam, a way for these fools to make isk without actually earning it.
Don't feed the trolls people. Seriously. It violates all tenets of Risk vs. Reward. The miners usually do not have adequate mechanics available to do anything about it (most of the New Order are in NPC Corps, the wimps) so can't be War Decced, and Mercs are hardly going to intimidate them. They, on the other hand, they risk absolutely nothing. AT ALL. THAT aspect is what CCP really needs to be looking at closely. I must disagree with you there Krixtal, the majority of the New Order guys are in one alliance, they have some independent operators who fly under their flag, some of which are in NPC corps, the rest of which are in various player corps. You are woefully ill-informed. There are MANY hidden Knights. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10373
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:33:00 -
[57] - Quote
Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
430
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:37:00 -
[58] - Quote
Plastic Psycho wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Q 5 wrote:If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.
CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here. Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.
Simplest solution is: give them good o' boys guns!They can police themselves. But CCP isn't going to do that, because without something human to hunt bots, they'll overcome the game. But New Order isn't about fixing the bot problem, so they're just as bad as the bots. Who needs guns? Ran across a nest of Retrievers last night, mining away. Their drones? Mosly EW drones - very few combat drones. Good mix - able to shut down a gank long enough for Concord to arrive, and able to deal with any plausible rats. The only plausible threat would then be either bumping, or a very much more expensive gank boat / fleet. Dunno about anyone else, but I'm not throwing an AF or crusier way on a simple miner gank. Maybe if there were enough targets close together, I could see using a suicide disco BS. But how often does that chance come up?
Very few combat drones = hoping your tank survives, because there's 1 mid on a retriever designed for it's survey module. And depending on the system, and the usual ganker dessie with Ions, that's not long if he hits hard before EWAR intervenes. A typical Retriever has a tad over 2000 shields, which Ions slice through.
So efforts to "teach" miners about evading damage even falls short without the defenses and offenses. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
|

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10380
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:39:00 -
[59] - Quote
Ajar Arjar wrote: You are woefully ill-informed. There are MANY hidden Knights.
I'm not denying that there are Knights of the Order that aren't in CODE, or officially associated with them. I'm a regular user of the NO chatroom and a shareholder/occasional Knight myself.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
450
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:40:00 -
[60] - Quote
"RRRrrrr! CCP! Ban someone who did something I don't like! I can't be bothered to defend myself, I should be perfectly safe no matter where in highsec I choose to go afk! Ganking is griefing, Rrr, split up the servers into Felluca and Trammel!"
That's what I hear every time someone complains about ganking in highsec. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
20840
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:44:00 -
[61] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik.
The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen
Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations.
He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort.
DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.
All are in NPC Corps. |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
688
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:44:00 -
[62] - Quote
New Order attempting to become relevant again? 
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
|

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
20840
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 16:45:00 -
[63] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: That's what I hear every time someone complains about ganking in highsec.
The last thing this is about is ganking. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
431
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 17:40:00 -
[64] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik. The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations. He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort. DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.All are in NPC Corps.
Yeah, see these dudes. There's the gate campers that do nothing but pod. Do nothing but scan for his cloakie friend. Do nothing but sit at a gate (some with industrials to haul salvage).
Is that the best a player created game can do for action? It's not even fearful. I fear being AFK in WoW more, since the NPCs h-u-r-t now. These humans train for blasters, sitting in NPC corps, kill otherwise defenseless players (my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game..."Houston, we have a problem...") in the cheapest rigs known.
Whatever happen to the RISK vs Reward??? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
|

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10389
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 17:42:00 -
[65] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik. The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations. He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort. DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.All are in NPC Corps. Yeah, see these dudes. There's the gate campers that do nothing but pod. Do nothing but scan for his cloakie friend. Do nothing but sit at a gate (some with industrials to haul salvage). Is that the best a player created game can do for action? It's not even fearful. I fear being AFK in WoW more, since the NPCs h-u-r-t now. These humans train for blasters, sitting in NPC corps, kill otherwise defenseless players ( my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game... "Houston, we have a problem...") in the cheapest rigs known. Whatever happen to the RISK vs Reward??? Fine, go back to WoW then, you obviously don't like it here, so why stay?
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
93
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 17:45:00 -
[66] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik. The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations. He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort. DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.All are in NPC Corps. So? Take prudent precautions, then ignore him.
'Problem' solved. |

SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
23
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 17:58:00 -
[67] - Quote
Quote:Very few combat drones = hoping your tank survives, because there's 1 mid on a retriever designed for it's survey module
Actually, it's designed for whatever you want to put in it, no one forces you to put a survey module in. |

Kirtar Makanen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 18:01:00 -
[68] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik. The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations. He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort. DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.All are in NPC Corps. Yeah, see these dudes. There's the gate campers that do nothing but pod. Do nothing but scan for his cloakie friend. Do nothing but sit at a gate (some with industrials to haul salvage). Is that the best a player created game can do for action? It's not even fearful. I fear being AFK in WoW more, since the NPCs h-u-r-t now. These humans train for blasters, sitting in NPC corps, kill otherwise defenseless players ( my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game... "Houston, we have a problem...") in the cheapest rigs known. Whatever happen to the RISK vs Reward??? 2mil ship kills a 40mil ship and that's risk when CONCORDed??? What's your point? My support/defensive elementalist in GW2 has more offensive power than a logistics ship. That doesn't mean that logistics ships should gain more offensive power. EVE has a level of specialization that isn't exactly present in other MMOs. Making comparisons to other games isn't really valid. |

Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
94
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 18:04:00 -
[69] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Q 5 wrote:If you want to troll next time write it up to sound more like a legit beeoach.
CCP needs to stop miner harassment by the new order for violation of the EULA is clearly in play here. Miners getting ganked and blown up for simply enjoying themselves for something they pay for and have a right to be left along.
Simplest solution is: give them good o' boys guns!They can police themselves. But CCP isn't going to do that, because without something human to hunt bots, they'll overcome the game. But New Order isn't about fixing the bot problem, so they're just as bad as the bots. Who needs guns? Ran across a nest of Retrievers last night, mining away. Their drones? Mosly EW drones - very few combat drones. Good mix - able to shut down a gank long enough for Concord to arrive, and able to deal with any plausible rats. The only plausible threat would then be either bumping, or a very much more expensive gank boat / fleet. Dunno about anyone else, but I'm not throwing an AF or crusier way on a simple miner gank. Maybe if there were enough targets close together, I could see using a suicide disco BS. But how often does that chance come up? Very few combat drones = hoping your tank survives, because there's 1 mid on a retriever designed for it's survey module. And depending on the system, and the usual ganker dessie with Ions, that's not long if he hits hard before EWAR intervenes. A typical Retriever has a tad over 2000 shields, which Ions slice through. So efforts to "teach" miners about evading damage even falls short without the defenses and offenses. Oh, pthbbbbt. EWAR drones screw up a gank quite effectively, unless you've got a specialist-fit gankship. And all you need to do to survive a gank in Hi-Sec, even in 0.5, is break a lock. By the time the ganker re-acquires, Concord will be there.
When I mine (and I do occasionally mine - when I'm feeling like self-harming. ), I NEVER bother with a survey module. I fit tank, instead. 'Cause frankly, I don't want to hear it from my friends, should I show up on someone's killboard in an untanked barge. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10391
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 18:05:00 -
[70] - Quote
What's your point? My support/defensive elementalist in GW2 has more offensive power than a logistics ship. That doesn't mean that logistics ships should gain more offensive power. EVE has a level of specialization that isn't exactly present in other MMOs. Making comparisons to other games isn't really valid.[/quote] It's Ace, comparisons to WoW are the norm, logical or otherwise.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
103
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 18:08:00 -
[71] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:(my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game..."Houston, we have a problem...")
Trying real hard to figure out why that's a problem.
|

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10396
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 18:16:00 -
[72] - Quote
Plastic Psycho wrote:Oh, pthbbbbt. EWAR drones screw up a gank quite effectively, unless you've got a specialist-fit gankship. And all you need to do to survive a gank in Hi-Sec, even in 0.5, is break a lock. By the time the ganker re-acquires, Concord will be there. When I mine (and I do occasionally mine - when I'm feeling like self-harming.  ), I NEVER bother with a survey module. I fit tank, instead. 'Cause frankly, I don't want to hear it from my friends, should I show up on someone's killboard in an untanked barge.
Better yet, mine in a Procuror, fit tank and a survey scanner (handy for annoying the hell out of those that blindly mine until the roid pops), as for Aces "post", it's the normal "my X in WoW is so much better than Y in Eve"
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
555
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 18:19:00 -
[73] - Quote
Whelp, the New Order weren't getting any forum attention, so they used one of their alts to start a thread to get them more attention. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
433
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 18:31:00 -
[74] - Quote
Verunae Caseti wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:(my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game..."Houston, we have a problem...") Trying real hard to figure out why that's a problem.
PvP game players need PvP centric defenses and offenses.
Even WoW gets that right in a PvE game. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
|

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
20873
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 18:34:00 -
[75] - Quote
Plastic Psycho wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Possibly hangers on using the New Order as an excuse for causing mayhem in the belts, I know quite a lot of the guys involved and as far as I know they're still operating mainly in Gallente and Caldari space. I shall ask later to see if they have official agents in Derelik. The worst is this dude: Nithrolayin Nithrolayiin Nithrolayoon Nithrolayaan Nithrolayeen Dude cycles through these during the day. Stops almost all activities in system by industrialists. Just logs off in space. 2 systems he uses don't even have stations. He demands no money, says absolutely nothing. Does not extort. DOES NOT COMMUNICATE AT ALL.All are in NPC Corps. So? Take prudent precautions, then ignore him. 'Problem' solved.
Welp, there really isn't any ignoring him as his alpha-bump knocks a Hulk 55Km from any belt. lol. And he doesn't stop. And he won't talk (as explained above).
I ignore him by doing my business elsewhere.  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15455
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:36:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:PvP game players need PvP centric defenses and offenses. GǪand the Retriever has both of those. What it lacks is combat ability, but that's not really a problem either since that's not what it's for. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
450
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:36:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Verunae Caseti wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:(my healer in WoW has more DPS and defenses, than a Retriever pilot in a PvP game..."Houston, we have a problem...") Trying real hard to figure out why that's a problem. PvP game players need PvP centric defenses and offenses.Even WoW gets that right in a PvE game.
Yes, and someone in a Mining Barge has chosen to abandon those defenses in favor of increasing the amount of money they make.
It's a tradeoff they made in exchange for losing safety. How is this so hard to understand? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
433
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:37:00 -
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SmokinDank wrote:Quote:Very few combat drones = hoping your tank survives, because there's 1 mid on a retriever designed for it's survey module Actually, it's designed for whatever you want to put in it, no one forces you to put a survey module in.
Nor does anyone force the criminal to put guns in his turrets.  "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:43:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Oh, pthbbbbt. EWAR drones screw up a gank quite effectively, unless you've got a specialist-fit gankship. And all you need to do to survive a gank in Hi-Sec, even in 0.5, is break a lock. By the time the ganker re-acquires, Concord will be there. When I mine (and I do occasionally mine - when I'm feeling like self-harming.  ), I NEVER bother with a survey module. I fit tank, instead. 'Cause frankly, I don't want to hear it from my friends, should I show up on someone's killboard in an untanked barge. Better yet, mine in a Procuror, fit tank and a survey scanner (handy for annoying the hell out of those that blindly mine until the roid pops), as for Aces "post", it's the normal "my X in WoW is so much better than Y in Eve" Truth. |

Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
476
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:45:00 -
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Is it really only 10 mil a year? That seems like an awesome deal. |

Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:49:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote: So? Take prudent precautions, then ignore him.
'Problem' solved.
Welp, there really isn't any ignoring him as his alpha-bump knocks a Hulk 55Km from any belt. lol. And he doesn't stop. And he won't talk (as explained above). I ignore him by doing my business elsewhere.  Sounds like a prudent precaution, to me.  |

Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's
101
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:01:00 -
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ImmutableDark wrote:Verunae Caseti wrote:When you reduce the art of trolling to basically "Saying really dumb stuff and waiting for people to notice" and you STILL can't do it successfully, you should really start asking some pressing questions of yourself.
If you find the experience of speaking to yourself disconerting, I suggest using a mirror to make it feel like a conversation. Just try not to lose your temper - you could end up with some nasty cuts. As a Masorti Jew I am expressly forbidden from trolling. I don't know how your ancient Hebrew is but in the torah it reads "hakek malachu mesiya o bama tanku helel ishayu machischki alamayk". This roughly translates to those who troll are not with god. My Jew hat that I wear tells me that there is always a God above me and that I should be considerate of his will. That's why I'm a zionist and support the occupation of Palestine and the persecution of it's people because I see it as God's divine will and you should too.
If your sig didn't tell me what your view of jewish people is then this nugget does. I would not be surprised if there was a certain kind of twisted cross hanging in your basement above your bed.
Oh and btw, there is no occupation of Palestine because there is no such thing as Palestine. It's made up bs. Learn some history. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10412
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:20:00 -
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Jimmy Morane wrote: there is no such thing as Palestine. It's made up bs. Learn some history. I beg to differ, the name Palestine was used by the ancient Greeks (around the 4 or 5th century BC) for the approximate geographical area currently known as Israel and the Palestinian Territories, the Roman and Byzantine Empires also used it for the same region, ancient history but historical fact nonetheless.
My source? Relatives in the British Army that were present when the state of Israel was created, history classes at school + some basic fact checking.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
183
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:54:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Is it really only 10 mil a year? That seems like an awesome deal.
I know, really.
As those of you who know me can attest, I make a point of making sure that every miner in the system I am currently controlling is informed of the New Halaima Code of Conduct (www.minerbumping.com) and their responsibilities under it. I patiently explain that EACH miner must have a mining permit, available for 10,000,000 ISK from any Agent of the New Order and that those without them are subject to ganking or bumping.
And yet, my kind consideration for the well being of these miners is treated with contempt, with ridicule and with outright rudeness by these self same, I just have to say it, bot aspirants. Time after time after time I am told that buying a permit is something they will not, cannot do. Following the helpful requirements of The Code, which exists solely for the betterment of the miner himself, is beyond their ability.
After each confiscation of illegal mining equipment performed by the heroic Knights of the New Order in my area of responsibility I send an informational email to the former owner. In it I detail why they were targeted for enforcement and how they can avoid a repeat of the offense that cost them their ship and often their implants. Sometimes I receive a humble apology and a quick 10,000,000 ISK payment. These miners are entered into the New Order spreadsheet, advised how to identify themselves as Code compliant and go back to their mining activities, secure in the knowledge that they are on the side of right, and on the side of the New Order which is even better security.
Alas, most of the replies are vile, offensive insults and suggestions about my heritage, life style choices and level of intelligence. Usually there is also a refusal to abide by The Code. These usually are something like "Honor!", "Extortion!" or "Nevah!". I think these are the unfortunate emotional responses of someone who hasn't thought things through.
10,000,000 ISK, if you can believe the comments in local by the miners themselves, represents mere minutes of their productive capacity. If I was selling a module that greatly reduced the chances of being interrupted while mining for 10,000,000 ISK I would be unable to keep them in stock. The permit IS such a module. And yet, the miners refuse to avail themselves of it. This is flat out stupid.
Look, you guys are miners. No one expects you to be heroic or principled or admirable in any way. You aren't William Wallace, you are roid scratchers. But you should at least have economic sense. Buying a permit is such a good economic decision that you really have to question the IQ of anyone who refuses based on some sense of their own self worth.
Buy your permit, follow The Code, live. You will be happier for it. It only stings for a minute.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
99

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This topic is turning into a real life discussion of politics and trolling. Topic locked.
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