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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2856
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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:39:00 -
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Yavanni wrote:So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.
My Mack pilot has a kill board thanks to the new suspect mechanics.
Nothing like podding some fool either because he's a real bad ganker or just thinks I won't go after his indy with a flight of Valkyrie IIs when he's looting my wrecks.
One of the best changes ever!
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:51:00 -
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Yavanni wrote:most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance.
Most games suck.
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Yavanni
Unises Inc.
1
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Posted - 2013.07.14 03:01:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Yavanni wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Yavanni wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:"I didn't bother reading any patch notes and now I'm being attacked by meanies because I did something bad."
Eve is a game of consequences, deal with it. most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance. It's balanced in the sense that you know what you're doing is a crime and CHOOSE to do it. Because you CHOOSE to do it, there's consequences. Cause and Effect. If you still want to be a criminal, operating in protected space, don't blame anyone else for that choice. You choose to be a criminal, and the life of a criminal is living on the run and every law enforcement coming after you. my post isn't about "every law enforcement coming after you" its about every tom, **** and harry coming after you. What did you think would come after you, Tinkerbell? as stated in an earlier post, what I expected to come after me was anyone in the corp of the capsuleer who left the yellow can or wreck. I expected the security or threat countdown to indicate that some specific individual or group had a right to come after me - NOT everyone. |
Yavanni
Unises Inc.
1
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Posted - 2013.07.14 03:05:00 -
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Verunae Caseti wrote:Yavanni wrote:most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance. Most games suck. Most of everything sucks. If you want a name for it, call it the rule of Mediocrity. |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2013.07.14 03:14:00 -
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Yavanni wrote:Most of everything sucks. If you want a name for it, call it the rule of Mediocrity.
Exactly; so let's not drag EVE down to their level by demanding BALANCE over everything else, eh?
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Psychoactive Stimulant
TinklePee
25
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Posted - 2013.07.14 03:26:00 -
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inb4 Sublime Rage
HTFU |
Ziphis
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.07.14 05:24:00 -
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All this from the mind who gave you ARMOR RAVEN!!
http://zkillboard.com/detail/-4884501/
sorry had to be linked....Yeah...don't steal die and whine....I think there was a thread like this awhile back. (Stay docked after stealing and yes this included those wrecks you salvage from xD from your fits you look like a cloak ninja salvage alt. Say NO to CCP-EA. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10568
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Posted - 2013.07.14 05:41:00 -
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Ziphis wrote:All this from the mind who gave you ARMOR RAVEN!! http://zkillboard.com/detail/-4884501/sorry had to be linked....Yeah...don't steal die and whine....I think there was a thread like this awhile back. (Stay docked after stealing and yes this included those wrecks you salvage from xD from your fits you look like a cloak ninja salvage alt. Good to see that someone put that abomination out of its misery, it definitely needed killing with fire.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
907
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:52:00 -
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Ziphis wrote:All this from the mind who gave you ARMOR RAVEN!! http://zkillboard.com/detail/-4884501/sorry had to be linked....Yeah...don't steal die and whine....I think there was a thread like this awhile back. (Stay docked after stealing and yes this included those wrecks you salvage from xD from your fits you look like a cloak ninja salvage alt.
While I find the OP silly, seeing as how the suspect/limited engagement podding was implemented 6 months ago, your attempt to attack his intelligence through a terrible loss mail falls short since that is from 2008. You are linking a loss mail 5 years old. I don't know many people who didn't have terrible fits early in their EVE careers. I have several myself.
But yes, always get your pod out. This fact is not new. I'm Denzel Washington, and I play chess. |
Matt Petirov
Red Party
2
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Posted - 2013.07.14 10:46:00 -
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..Is he complaining about eve being hard?
..wat
...waaaatt |
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Matt Petirov
Red Party
2
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Posted - 2013.07.14 10:46:00 -
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OH MY GOD JUST SAW DA ARMOR RAVEN |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
444
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Posted - 2013.07.14 11:12:00 -
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Yavanni wrote: as stated in an earlier post, what I expected to come after me was anyone in the corp of the capsuleer who left the yellow can or wreck. I expected the security or threat countdown to indicate that some specific individual or group had a right to come after me - NOT everyone.
So you want EvE to play easier than WoW, where even the king's dog is raid level in that game.
If EvE is to be tougher than PvE games, it's guards need to prove they are tougher than a dog!!! "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Sabriz Adoudel
Paragon Blitz
526
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Posted - 2013.07.14 11:49:00 -
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I love it when AFK miners have their drones autoattack me. It makes podkilling them legal (even though CONCORD still come and splatter me for blowing up their ship, but I don't lose sec for the pod).
An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
444
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:21:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I love it when AFK miners have their drones autoattack me. It makes podkilling them legal (even though CONCORD still come and splatter me for blowing up their ship, but I don't lose sec for the pod).
More risk averse PvP, and a PvPer bragging about it.
Yes, please show the world how easy EvE is to play even compared to PvE games.
Don't ever claim EvE is harder to play than even WoW. It's dogs bite back more than CONCORD. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Vega Umbranox
Eternal Darkness. Fatal Ascension
21
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Posted - 2013.07.14 22:06:00 -
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i agree tbh i think you shouldnt be able to be podded from suspect timer in highsec. GCC yes |
Elliavir
Kid's Logistics Inc
40
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Posted - 2013.07.14 23:01:00 -
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Yavanni wrote:So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.
Read through this thread before answering, and you seem to be equating podkilling with actual killing. Podkilling, since you are functionally immortal in the game through cloning, is more like a stern intervention. Maybe like tripping you or punching you or something like that to stop you as you run away with someone's purse. Which folks IRL do quite often. The yellow flashy tag is, in effect, someone yelling "Stop, thief!".
The scenario you want - you steal from someone, and only they or their close associates can intervene. So, if they are alone and/or unable to respond you can freely and openly walk over to the next target, in full view of a crowd of people, steal their stuff, and so on. Indefinitely, if you pick your targets well. Which is mind-bogglingly unrealistic.
The new crimewatch is far more realistic, once you get over the bizarre equating of podkilling with actual death. People who are gunned down IRL don't just waltz out of a clone bay a few seconds later a bit poorer for the experience.
Actual thieves usually have to run and hide for a bit after committing a theft. It's a skill you might want to learn if you wish to continue your career as a thief. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:16:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote:Tiber Ibis wrote:Yavanni wrote:And I thought it was only like this in the USA. Sorry to hear that Belgium has gone the way of the pampered perpetrator as well. As another poster put it, a lot of this is right wing political spin. Don't make any judgements until you have some direct experience to back up you claims. Listening and believing what politicians tell you is worse than remaining ignorant. Where is the politician? I read the newspaper who reported on the trial. Should we introduce censorship Mr Lenin? You do what you want but I would die twice and then again defending my kids from harm. This man is innocent. People like you make me feel ashamed for voting socialist. Extremism is always bad whether it is right wing or in your case left wing... Radius And so newspapers aren't politically affiliated then? And all stories in the newspaper must be true? lol stop being so na+»ve.
Also you seem to have misunderstood. I'm not saying prisoners should have it easy, but I am just saying that you shouldn't believe everything you read or hear. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
859
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:25:00 -
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Cry more. The Tears Must Flow |
Tron 3K
Three Thousand Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.07.15 12:34:00 -
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Yavanni wrote:So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.
Ah.. what is that hideous thing in the picture? And seriously no one called you a troll.. cause to me this smells like trolling.. Or you are just a plain idiot that took off the safety and got owned.. Lesson learned tho if you aren't trolling, troll. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1220
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Posted - 2013.07.15 12:39:00 -
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Podding is available, but its PURELY up to the pilot to try to....
...so they are the ones being, WAY over the top to you Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10743
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Posted - 2013.07.15 12:43:00 -
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Yavanni wrote:2/3 expansions ago, and no one thinks it over the top that stealing a yellow can's contents gives ALL ships the right to pod you? what is the status that is higher degree than "suspect"? How do I earn it?
BTW, thanks Dalmont
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
If you go looking for a fight, then why complain when you get one?
1 Kings 12:11
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Durzel
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
190
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:06:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Yavanni wrote:2/3 expansions ago, and no one thinks it over the top that stealing a yellow can's contents gives ALL ships the right to pod you? what is the status that is higher degree than "suspect"? How do I earn it?
BTW, thanks Dalmont Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. If you go looking for a fight, then why complain when you get one? He never wanted one. He wouldn't be flipping miners otherwise.
~elite pvp~ |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:50:00 -
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griefers got **** on. Poor babies.
really they had potentially zero risk before. Your tears are delicious. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
313
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:34:00 -
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The way things used to go for me:
In 0.4, tackle some guy in belt, take small, initial sec hit. Wait patiently for him to shoot back to avoid HUGE sec hit for property destruction. Leave the pod alone because I'm lazy and don't want to rat my sec up.
The way things go for me now: In 0.4, tackle some guy in a belt, take medium sec hit. Wait patiently for him to shoot back so I get Limited Engagement. POD HIM BECAUSE NO PENALTY. Or hell, now I can just smoke his ship and pod and just buy my sec back with tags.
Best. Changes. Ever.
#WINNING.
I love Dust514. But it needs more EVE. Read my idea on how to do this at General Tso's Alliance blog: http://3xxxd.blogspot.com/2013/06/dust514-uprising-needs-moar-eve.html |
No Alibi
Shadow Brokers
29
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:05:00 -
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Don't use autopilot while you have a suspect timer How about NEVER use autopilot! I should be removed from the game IMHO. I fly by the seat of my pants, No wonder my-áass is always on fire! |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:58:00 -
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No Alibi wrote: Don't use autopilot while you have a suspect timer How about NEVER use autopilot! I should be removed from the game IMHO. Never! It does such a wonderful job of delivery fresh victims! |
Yavanni
Unises Inc.
2
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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:28:00 -
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Vega Umbranox wrote:i agree tbh i think you shouldnt be able to be podded from suspect timer in highsec. GCC yes
Thank you |
Yavanni
Unises Inc.
2
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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:35:00 -
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Burseg Sardaukar wrote:The way things used to go for me:
In 0.4, tackle some guy in belt, take small, initial sec hit. Wait patiently for him to shoot back to avoid HUGE sec hit for property destruction. Leave the pod alone because I'm lazy and don't want to rat my sec up.
The way things go for me now: In 0.4, tackle some guy in a belt, take medium sec hit. Wait patiently for him to shoot back so I get Limited Engagement. POD HIM BECAUSE NO PENALTY. Or hell, now I can just smoke his ship and pod and just buy my sec back with tags.
Best. Changes. Ever.
#WINNING.
third best response |
Yavanni
Unises Inc.
2
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Posted - 2013.07.16 07:14:00 -
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Elliavir wrote:Yavanni wrote:So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me. Read through this thread before answering, and you seem to be equating podkilling with actual killing. Podkilling, since you are functionally immortal in the game through cloning, is more like a stern intervention. Maybe like tripping you or punching you or something like that to stop you as you run away with someone's purse. Which folks IRL do quite often. The yellow flashy tag is, in effect, someone yelling "Stop, thief!". The scenario you want - you steal from someone, and only they or their close associates can intervene. So, if they are alone and/or unable to respond you can freely and openly walk over to the next target, in full view of a crowd of people, steal their stuff, and so on. Indefinitely, if you pick your targets well. Which is mind-bogglingly unrealistic. The new crimewatch is far more realistic, once you get over the bizarre equating of podkilling with actual death. People who are gunned down IRL don't just waltz out of a clone bay a few seconds later a bit poorer for the experience. Actual thieves usually have to run and hide for a bit after committing a theft. It's a skill you might want to learn if you wish to continue your career as a thief.
This has nothing to do with clones or clone bays. The real life equivalent is: You pick up a purse someone set on the ground and walked away from and walk or run to your car. Now not only can anyone who wants to (rather than just the owner of the purse and her extended family) play hero and come and shoot out your tires and your radiator, now they can come over to the car after disabling it and put the gun to your head and pull the trigger. And folks in real life DO NOT pull out guns and shoot out your tires and radiator. AND if they are going to make it so that ANYONE can attack you, they should have reduced the amount of time you had to stay under cover from 15 minutes to, say, 10 minutes. |
Effect One
Vengeful Swan
71
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Posted - 2013.07.16 07:34:00 -
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