So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.

I guess I should have included the (I thought) obvious, "when did all this change?" You are all so anxious to be helpful, one of you ought to have mentioned that much.

2/3 expansions ago, and no one thinks it over the top that stealing a yellow can's contents gives ALL ships the right to pod you? what is the status that is higher degree than "suspect"? How do I earn it?

Criminal. You get it by shooting other ships.

Thats concord time.

You've always been poddable in highsec, being suspect just increases the chance of it happening.

being poddable and everyone having a free pass to pod you are two entirely different things.

2/3 expansions ago, and no one thinks it over the top that stealing a yellow can's contents gives ALL ships the right to pod you? what is the status that is higher degree than "suspect"? How do I earn it?

BTW, thanks Dalmont

You decided to be a thief and then winge about it on the forums when people chase the thief legally *slowclap*

Here in Belgium a citizen went to jail for assaulting a burglar the other day. The burglar said he only meant to steal some **** out of the garage but then again what was he doing in the childrens' bedroom? Didn't matter, the guy still went to jail. Country has gone to **** when the rights of the criminal are more important then the rights of the victim.
Criminals get health insurance through our nice system as well and collect unemployment cheques on top of their less legal job. Our jails are islands of luxury, with swimming pool, TV and internet privileges for the pedophiles. This helps a lot with the internationalization of our criminals ofc, whether they are good at their job or not, life is better in our jails then in their home country.

Lesson is, if you assault a criminal in your home you better make sure you kill him. Corpses can't sue you and they are cheaper to society.

being poddable and everyone having a free pass to pod you are two entirely different things.

So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.

Here in Belgium a citizen went to jail for assaulting a burglar the other day. The burglar said he only meant to steal some **** out of the garage but then again what was he doing in the childrens' bedroom? Didn't matter, the guy still went to jail. Country has gone to **** when the rights of the criminal are more important then the rights of the victim.
Criminals get health insurance through our nice system as well and collect unemployment cheques on top of their less legal job. Our jails are islands of luxury, with swimming pool, TV and internet privileges for the pedophiles. This helps a lot with the internationalization of our criminals ofc, whether they are good at their job or not, life is better in our jails then in their home country.

Lesson is, if you assault a criminal in your home you better make sure you kill him. Corpses can't sue you and they are cheaper to society.

This seems WAY over the top to me.

Here in Belgium a citizen went to jail for assaulting a burglar the other day. The burglar said he only meant to steal some **** out of the garage but then again what was he doing in the childrens' bedroom? Didn't matter, the guy still went to jail. Country has gone to **** when the rights of the criminal are more important then the rights of the victim.
Criminals get health insurance through our nice system as well and collect unemployment cheques on top of their less legal job. Our jails are islands of luxury, with swimming pool, TV and internet privileges for the pedophiles. This helps a lot with the internationalization of our criminals ofc, whether they are good at their job or not, life is better in our jails then in their home country.

Lesson is, if you assault a criminal in your home you better make sure you kill him. Corpses can't sue you and they are cheaper to society.

You decided to be a thief and then winge about it on the forums when people chase the thief legally *slowclap*

"I didn't bother reading any patch notes and now I'm being attacked by meanies because I did something bad."

Eve is a game of consequences, deal with it.

To be a criminal is being a pro at it. Weak kneed opportunists need not apply. Gangbangers are nothing, it's the Al Capones and Godfathers that get the notoriety...as they pick challenging targets and truly willing to risk it all.

So if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/crimewatch/

Read up

most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance.

So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.

The good news is that you can gank people in low-sec now and then just jump into high-sec like a boss. No
Concord. Only players will be able to shoot you, and they probably won't if you're in a decent PVP boat.

The bad news is that if you have a bounty, high-sec pilots get to reap the benefits of your PVP prowess by activating the bounty and killing you in high-sec while you're piloting a ship that's not for PVP, such as a hauler or a shuttle. Since activating a bounty means the victim goes "Suspect" against their will, the victim of an activated bounty can be safely podded in high-sec now, too.

So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.

As someone who has worked in prisons I can tell you Id rather be dead. The luxery thing is horsecrap, rightwing propaganda. prisons are pure hell which is why so many suicides occur in them.

The criminal did something the country consider illegal. Why should the same country then protect his right?

And I thought it was only like this in the USA. Sorry to hear that Belgium has gone the way of the pampered perpetrator as well.

RL should work this way!

being poddable and everyone having a free pass to pod you are two entirely different things.

Unless you podkill in lowsec, which gives you criminal flag and gets you concorded should you enter HS.



That is completely wrong. The bounty has nothing to do with who can or cannot legally attack you. You got killrights and bounty messed up I guess. You get a killright against you if you: Unlawfully agress in highsec (ship or pod) or unlawfully agress a pod in lowsec. If you keep your safety on yellow you will never get a killright against you.

most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance.

most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance.

And I thought it was only like this in the USA. Sorry to hear that Belgium has gone the way of the pampered perpetrator as well.

As another poster put it, a lot of this is right wing political spin. Don't make any judgements until you have some direct experience to back up you claims. Listening and believing what politicians tell you is worse than remaining ignorant.

Being a thief used to be an honest profession. The only ones who could attack you were the copr members of the capsuleer from whom you stole. There must have been so many and loud whiners among the victims of thieves (or more likely, among gankers who were getting their ill-gotten loot stolen) that they pressured CCP into making theives vulnerable to attack the same as only assassins used to be. Way over the top, imho.

In your opinion. There was almost no uproar in the forums because of this particular change.

Because that's how rights work.

Actually, no it's not. Theft, much as in real life, if somebody screams STOP THIEF and you're the one running away like a ****, you think nobody will step in and apply a smack down? Much as in real life, you got smacked the F down. It's much more realistic now.

How is it way out of balance?
You chose to commit a crime. Once someone decided to engage you, you had the same option to kill and pod them....
To anyone that actually thought this through, it makes perfect sense, and is well balanced.....

It's balanced in the sense that you know what you're doing is a crime and CHOOSE to do it. Because you CHOOSE to do it, there's consequences.

Cause and Effect.

If you still want to be a criminal, operating in protected space, don't blame anyone else for that choice. You choose to be a criminal, and the life of a criminal is living on the run and every law enforcement coming after you.

I think it was more the pvp folks crying about carebears not pvping. This was CCPs first steps towards making PVP available to high sec folks and establishing an eve where ppl to take part in self policing instead of relying on concord.


edit: fixed grammer

my post isn't about "every law enforcement coming after you" its about every tom, **** and harry coming after you.

So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.

most games are a game of BALANCED consequenses. this change is way out of balance.

What did you think would come after you, Tinkerbell?

Most games suck.

Most of everything sucks. If you want a name for it, call it the rule of Mediocrity.

All this from the mind who gave you ARMOR RAVEN!!

http://zkillboard.com/detail/-4884501/

sorry had to be linked....Yeah...don't steal die and whine....I think there was a thread like this awhile back. (Stay docked after stealing and yes this included those wrecks you salvage from xD from your fits you look like a cloak ninja salvage alt.

All this from the mind who gave you ARMOR RAVEN!!

http://zkillboard.com/detail/-4884501/

sorry had to be linked....Yeah...don't steal die and whine....I think there was a thread like this awhile back. (Stay docked after stealing and yes this included those wrecks you salvage from xD from your fits you look like a cloak ninja salvage alt.

as stated in an earlier post, what I expected to come after me was anyone in the corp of the capsuleer who left the yellow can or wreck. I expected the security or threat countdown to indicate that some specific individual or group had a right to come after me - NOT everyone.

I love it when AFK miners have their drones autoattack me. It makes podkilling them legal (even though CONCORD still come and splatter me for blowing up their ship, but I don't lose sec for the pod).

So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.

Where is the politician? I read the newspaper who reported on the trial. Should we introduce censorship Mr Lenin? You do what you want but I would die twice and then again defending my kids from harm. This man is innocent. People like you make me feel ashamed for voting socialist. Extremism is always bad whether it is right wing or in your case left wing...

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So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.

2/3 expansions ago, and no one thinks it over the top that stealing a yellow can's contents gives ALL ships the right to pod you? what is the status that is higher degree than "suspect"? How do I earn it?

BTW, thanks Dalmont

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

If you go looking for a fight, then why complain when you get one?

Don't use autopilot while you have a suspect timer How about NEVER use autopilot! I should be removed from the game IMHO.

i agree tbh i think you shouldnt be able to be podded from suspect timer in highsec. GCC yes

The way things used to go for me:

In 0.4, tackle some guy in belt, take small, initial sec hit.
Wait patiently for him to shoot back to avoid HUGE sec hit for property destruction.
Leave the pod alone because I'm lazy and don't want to rat my sec up.

The way things go for me now:
In 0.4, tackle some guy in a belt, take medium sec hit.
Wait patiently for him to shoot back so I get Limited Engagement.
POD HIM BECAUSE NO PENALTY.
Or hell, now I can just smoke his ship and pod and just buy my sec back with tags.

Best. Changes. Ever.

#WINNING.

Read through this thread before answering, and you seem to be equating podkilling with actual killing. Podkilling, since you are functionally immortal in the game through cloning, is more like a stern intervention. Maybe like tripping you or punching you or something like that to stop you as you run away with someone's purse. Which folks IRL do quite often. The yellow flashy tag is, in effect, someone yelling "Stop, thief!".

The scenario you want - you steal from someone, and only they or their close associates can intervene. So, if they are alone and/or unable to respond you can freely and openly walk over to the next target, in full view of a crowd of people, steal their stuff, and so on. Indefinitely, if you pick your targets well. Which is mind-bogglingly unrealistic.

The new crimewatch is far more realistic, once you get over the bizarre equating of podkilling with actual death. People who are gunned down IRL don't just waltz out of a clone bay a few seconds later a bit poorer for the experience.

Actual thieves usually have to run and hide for a bit after committing a theft. It's a skill you might want to learn if you wish to continue your career as a thief.

statii

Statuses

What dream world do you live in where a thief can be killed by any passerby who happens along?

...Being a thief used to be an honest profession...

quit complaining and go gank a miner or something

The Old West

I think by definition thievery isn't an honest profession.

it is one of the oldest, therefor time-honored, if not honest, professions. But I was speaking as a player in a PvP gaming environment.

When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.

So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.

Here in Belgium a citizen went to jail for assaulting a burglar the other day. The burglar said he only meant to steal some **** out of the garage but then again what was he doing in the childrens' bedroom? Didn't matter, the guy still went to jail. Country has gone to **** when the rights of the criminal are more important then the rights of the victim.
Criminals get health insurance through our nice system as well and collect unemployment cheques on top of their less legal job. Our jails are islands of luxury, with swimming pool, TV and internet privileges for the pedophiles. This helps a lot with the internationalization of our criminals ofc, whether they are good at their job or not, life is better in our jails then in their home country.

Lesson is, if you assault a criminal in your home you better make sure you kill him. Corpses can't sue you and they are cheaper to society.

What dream world do you live in where a thief can be killed by any passerby who happens along?

2/3 expansions ago, and no one thinks it over the top that stealing a yellow can's contents gives ALL ships the right to pod you? what is the status that is higher degree than "suspect"? How do I earn it?

BTW, thanks Dalmont

Stealth HS buff.

Personally I'm OK with the change except in how gank wrecks are handled. I personally think the wreck should be white to anyone in the gank fleet and the original ship owner's corp but yellow to others. You already lose ships to perform a gank. I'm not sure how the suspect flag works for people who are at war. If it's yellow to the killers, that's also a bad thing (IMO).

It's all about CCP trying to satisfy the complaints from dedicated carebears. What they don't seem to realize is they'll never be able to satisfy that crowd.

So, I walk into someones house and shoot them in the head (gank). Police come and deal with me (CONCORD). You feel that the rest of your street gang should be able to come loot my house clean because the police arrested you?

Glad I don't live in your community!

So, I walk into someones house and shoot them in the head (gank). Police come and deal with me (CONCORD). You feel that the rest of your street gang should be able to come loot my house clean because the police arrested you?

Glad I don't live in your community!

So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.

2/3 expansions ago, and no one thinks it over the top that stealing a yellow can's contents gives ALL ships the right to pod you? what is the status that is higher degree than "suspect"? How do I earn it?

BTW, thanks Dalmont

So, that was an eye opener. It's bad enough that emptying a yellow can or wreck now makes your ship everyone's target (instead of just those members of the corp whose can or wreck you emptied) but they can pod you in secure space on top of that? When did EVE become so eXtreme? This seems WAY over the top to me.

Griefing has consequences now.

Here in Belgium... if you assault a criminal in your home you better make sure you kill him. Corpses can't sue you and they are cheaper to society.

WOW what the hell happened to Belgium? Used to be the people who acted like they had life sorted out, now like every other desperate tool they spend IQ points worrying about who's gonna take stuff off em.

European Court of Human Rights, making crime pay since it's inception. Here in the UK it's taken years to deport some undesirables that are wanted on terrorism charges esle where, because they might get tortured or otherwise mistreated.