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dollface
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Posted - 2005.12.09 16:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Jherek Cornelian
Originally by: dollface
Originally by: Jherek Cornelian
but all your questions have been answered.
Your initial question was of course to try and turn F-E membership against MLM, after reading the discussions on F-E own boards.
Once again you failed.
Is there no beginning to your talents ?
look im an alt .
look, I'm fining my alliance mates because they are carebears
Not good for you.
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Recluse Viramor
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Posted - 2005.12.09 16:32:00 -
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smack quota exceeded, everyone go fight it out in space now
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Anton Kamikaze
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Posted - 2005.12.09 16:42:00 -
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Split the alliance into an industrial and a military wing. Both having their jobs. And the member corps are responsible that their members do their jobs and 'behave'. If not, fine the corp.
Personally I think it's more digusting, if someone keeps on hunting while others are fighting enemies next door. If you can hunt, you can also jump into a fregate and gather information about the enemy force or fight. So I'd rather fine these people.
If a corp was in the military wing, the leader could be made responsible that their members take part in alliance pvp. How he manages it is his problem. If he doesn't, fine his corp and if they are incompetent, kick them.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.12.09 16:53:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
There is not such thing as a good fight with [5].
You only fight when you are 100% sure you can win. And win big, so that your killboards look good and you can cheastbeat on the forums.
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Seriously. After I read post as this i wonder are you guys talk to each other or you larg group of individuals that have no cluse whats happening around you?
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2005.12.09 17:14:00 -
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All MLM & FE responses to this topic need to cease immediately. 
5 have superior smacktalking fittings for forum engagements - getting involved just lowers us to their level, tbh.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.12.09 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zzazzt
All MLM & FE responses to this topic need to cease immediately.
impose fines if they dont 
--thoth
[5],
ex-Curse Alliance
ex-DSMA |
Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2005.12.09 17:24:00 -
[97]
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Zzazzt
All MLM & FE responses to this topic need to cease immediately.
impose fines if they dont
reading your posts is punishment enough 
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Monkey Time
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Posted - 2005.12.09 17:32:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Jherek Cornelian
Originally by: Monkey Time
Originally by: Naphtalia
Originally by: Darcuese
Question I have.
What do you think boost hostile moral more:
A) ganking single NPC hunter
B) ineffectivnes of PvP gang/fleet (as happened last night in IMK-example)??
You constantly pointing out on those that are ganked and never mention bad actions by your PvP squad.
Both might lose ships, but as I could understude only those that was ganked in belt (or similar) must pay extra.
I might missed something and if i did please feel free to correct me. But Im honestly curious for answer to my question
Fair question.. but I will have to return the question I am afraid... what boosts your morale more... ganking a npc raven in a belt that was warned of you incoming with 500m in faction loot... or ganking an enemy fleet while you are on their Teamspeak because they were led by an inexperienced fleetcommander.
The pilots that fought in IMK yesterday were not all part of some 'pvp squad' but tried to fight and screwed up... true..
I am sad it happened...
So what boosts your morale more? :)
naphtalia, those "inexperienced" pvp'rs came and fought us. They actually jumped into us and took us on.
Sure they were unorganised but im sure they learnt from it and next time they will be better.
They did something that MLM, in h-pa, would never do - they jumped in and took on our fleet.
Respect to them for doing it.
Monkey, you all station hug until you outnumber us, you come out in 2's or 3's we warp in and you dock.
Eventually you get enough battleships to fight us, then you get more battleships and more.
At this point you all sit outside the station at insta dock range and smack us for not attacking.
When we do attack as soon as we target someone they insta dock.
We are not leaving H-PA mate and no amount of threads rubbishing us in an attempt for you to shame us out is going to work.
You have manpower to remove us, you pull in people from wow as soon as we get even numbers.
But we are still here, cya tonight same time same place 
always 2 sides to a story i guess. you arent entirely correct, imo.
its always koffie black and naphtalia that are sitting outside the station in their blackbird and moa. as soon as they get someone scrambled or someone stupid enough to go aggro u warp in all your bs. as soon as we show up to kill em, they dock.
it was only a couple of nights ago when there were 40+ f-e against our 25ish. now, if u believe naphtalia, u only had 9 in your gang. dont f-e corps join up with each other?
a couple of nights ago f-e were complaining we had too many bs. i offered that we go change into frigs - no response came back.....
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Roke E'raith
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Posted - 2005.12.09 17:52:00 -
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Actually, I agree somewhat with thoth and the other that are for a "fine", but why being so drastic?
Firstly: Set the tax to 10% so the mission runners actually gives the corp/alliance cash (which they do, if they are not totally worthless). I mean, all revenue streams are good revenue streams, right?
I can also agree that making a stiff fine for people that destroyed their own ship should not be the same as if the ship was made/bought by corp/alliance.
In order to make a rule that works all the time, you could set it up somewhat like this:
First offence - stern warning and (alliance bought ship): 10% (of market value (or a set value)), 5% in own ship
Second offence - fine (alliance ship): 50& (own ship): 25%
Third offence -fine (alliance ship): 100% (own ship): 50%
Fourth offence - boot
Why a lenient first offence? Because everyone (and I mean EVERYONE)can have a "blonde" moment. Even the top of the line guys.
By doing this, you can ensure that you won't lose people you want to keep.
/Roke
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.12.09 18:10:00 -
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always 2 sides to a story i guess. you arent entirely correct, imo.
From our PoV, we're right but as you say - two sides.
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its always koffie black and naphtalia that are sitting outside the station in their blackbird and moa.
Or vigil, but generally, yes.
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as soon as they get someone scrambled or someone stupid enough to go aggro u warp in all your bs. as soon as we show up to kill em, they dock.
It's called: harassing. If we wanted to do a fleet fight (impossible) we'd be with the suicide squads in IMK or WH-J and have our asses handed to us or wait endlessly hoping you will finally get bored of safespotting.
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it was only a couple of nights ago when there were 40+ f-e against our 25ish. now, if u believe naphtalia, u only had 9 in your gang. dont f-e corps join up with each other?
We had 12 in gang.
We had 10 BS.
There was a F-E frigate fleet consisting of tech 1 frigs and a few t1 cruisers in H-PA for some reason. We didn't gang up cos it's pointless.
You had (dunno number) in gang, but it was ~20 counting some inty support around the station.
You had 14 BS
We warped to station with our 10.
We had Nimn or something in a Scorp as primary.
Nimn was at 137 km from me.
I shot a him.
One of our Tempest pilots shot at him.
We shot him into armor.
We lost an Apoc.
People were screaming they couldn't hit that far out.
FC hit the warp button and scolded those people.
We lost an Apoc.
We didn't come back in and went playing Yahoo Poker.
You smacktalked local.
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a couple of nights ago f-e were complaining we had too many bs. i offered that we go change into frigs - no response came back.....
As if you're gonna fight a fair fight - don't kid yourself.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.12.09 18:32:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Roke E'raith
Actually, I agree somewhat with thoth and the other that are for a "fine", but why being so drastic?
Firstly: Set the tax to 10% so the mission runners actually gives the corp/alliance cash (which they do, if they are not totally worthless). I mean, all revenue streams are good revenue streams, right?
I can also agree that making a stiff fine for people that destroyed their own ship should not be the same as if the ship was made/bought by corp/alliance.
In order to make a rule that works all the time, you could set it up somewhat like this:
First offence - stern warning and (alliance bought ship): 10% (of market value (or a set value)), 5% in own ship
Second offence - fine (alliance ship): 50& (own ship): 25%
Third offence -fine (alliance ship): 100% (own ship): 50%
Fourth offence - boot
Why a lenient first offence? Because everyone (and I mean EVERYONE)can have a "blonde" moment. Even the top of the line guys.
By doing this, you can ensure that you won't lose people you want to keep.
/Roke
The 2 obvious missing factors are time and usefulness..
if a guy was killing 100 BS a nite i would expect most ppl could overlook the odd silly mistake.. :P
and unless the ppl benefitting from the "donations" where hughly more effective at killing the enemy, i wouldnt be happy to fund their enjoyment of the game, as it is likely to effect my mine sooner or later..
--thoth
[5],
ex-Curse Alliance
ex-DSMA |
Tim Tim
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Posted - 2005.12.09 20:12:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Tim Tim on 09/12/2005 20:12:29
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Jaqs
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Posted - 2005.12.09 20:18:00 -
[103]
Agreed with Persh Iltrdae those lines of thought.
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The Jok3r
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Posted - 2005.12.09 21:22:00 -
[104]
Edited by: The Jok3r on 09/12/2005 21:22:47
Humm reading this tread is very interesting... I am in an empire corp and travel once in a while to 0.0 space and I love it. In Empire I see nothing like this Communism you all speak of. I use to live in Cuba and really think Fidel Castro is one of the most wises man in the world. I always had some type of food and education and never had a problem after hurricanes getting to my small but humble home.
If there is an alliance that wants to take all I make for the corp and supply me with what I need, would it be possible for me to sign up? Currently I have trouble making anything for my self cause their is no help from corp. I think that alliances would be very productive in a communism type of enviorment. I have spoken to another member of the corp I am in and well I think if it works for you guys then so be it.
Fidel and Chaves FTW is what I say...
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Harum Skarum
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:08:00 -
[105]
Originally by: The Jok3r
Edited by: The Jok3r on 09/12/2005 21:22:47
Humm reading this tread is very interesting... I am in an empire corp and travel once in a while to 0.0 space and I love it. In Empire I see nothing like this Communism you all speak of. I use to live in Cuba and really think Fidel Castro is one of the most wises man in the world. I always had some type of food and education and never had a problem after hurricanes getting to my small but humble home.
If there is an alliance that wants to take all I make for the corp and supply me with what I need, would it be possible for me to sign up? Currently I have trouble making anything for my self cause their is no help from corp. I think that alliances would be very productive in a communism type of enviorment. I have spoken to another member of the corp I am in and well I think if it works for you guys then so be it.
Fidel and Chaves FTW is what I say...
I believe G alliance operates like that. Members do not really need isk because the corp/alliance supplies everything and in turn they give up most of their income.
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Jherek Cornelian
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:44:00 -
[106]
Originally by: The Jok3r
Fidel and Chaves FTW is what I say...
Findus and Chavs ftw as we say in the UK
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:48:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Harum Skarum
Originally by: The Jok3r
Edited by: The Jok3r on 09/12/2005 21:22:47
Humm reading this tread is very interesting... I am in an empire corp and travel once in a while to 0.0 space and I love it. In Empire I see nothing like this Communism you all speak of. I use to live in Cuba and really think Fidel Castro is one of the most wises man in the world. I always had some type of food and education and never had a problem after hurricanes getting to my small but humble home.
If there is an alliance that wants to take all I make for the corp and supply me with what I need, would it be possible for me to sign up? Currently I have trouble making anything for my self cause their is no help from corp. I think that alliances would be very productive in a communism type of enviorment. I have spoken to another member of the corp I am in and well I think if it works for you guys then so be it.
Fidel and Chaves FTW is what I say...
I believe G alliance operates like that. Members do not really need isk because the corp/alliance supplies everything and in turn they give up most of their income.
you should be fluent in german though if you apply
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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