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Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2005.12.09 22:30:00 - [1] Hi all, I recently lost a Harpy while ratting in 0.0. I warped to a belt and landed 8km from 5 Nihilists (is that an inty? very fast!) and 2 BS. I was webbed and scrambled before i could warp out, and I couldn't hit the frigs/intys that were orbiting me. I was pounded into dust in about 1 minute with my shield booster and hardener doing their best. My setup was as such: 4x125mm Prototype Gauss 1xNamed Std Launcher 1xCold Gas Archjet AB 1xSmall Shield Booster II 1xCap Recharger 1xKinetic Hardener 2xMag field stabilizer I'd like some advice on how to better set up for 0/0 ratting. I don't have the skills for tech 2 guns and can't afford gisti stuff so please keep that in mind. My initial thought is to put on a webber, but in the last scenario I wouldn't have killed 5 webbing/scrambling Nihilists quickly enough to save my skin. Another thought was to put on a WCS, but again, with multiple web/scramblers on me, would that have done any good at all? Of course, not warping in so close would have given me the time to turn and run, but let's assume I actually want to kill spawns that include multiple Nihilists/Assassins and supporting cruisers... Thanks!
Darpz	Posted - 2005.12.09 22:32:00 - [2] gisti harpy with blasters should work well. (pack antimattter and iron ammo) Originally by: TomB Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut? Yup.
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2005.12.09 22:46:00 - [3] reading comprehension is overrated i guess
Darpz	Posted - 2005.12.09 23:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Cade Morrigan reading comprehension is overrated i guess no its just that if you can't afford a gisti booster, get a enyo for rating since a small shield tank doesn't cut it if you get webed Originally by: TomB Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut? Yup.
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2005.12.09 23:06:00 - [5] thanks for clarifying
Jezala	Posted - 2005.12.09 23:06:00 - [6] Put on a warp core stab. Typically there is only 1 NPC scraming you at a time, but there is rare possibility to have multiple NPCs scramming you.
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.10 00:01:00 - [7] fit web
LoKesh	Posted - 2005.12.10 00:56:00 - [8] Yeah, fitting a web is nice. I prefer to fit 150s, and come in at long range - draw the intys out and shoot them down before they get close (when they're flying right at you with your MWD on) Killing the officers spawns is still gonna be tough.
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2005.12.10 01:11:00 - [9] Get a real ship. Harpies are inadequate for ratting. Enyo or Ishkur are both better - particularly post patch. Or you could just get a Bs, which is cheaper than a gistii harpy. -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2005.12.10 01:52:00 - [10] Edited by: Cade Morrigan on 10/12/2005 01:52:32 I disagree, I've killed plenty of rats in 0/0 with the Harpy. Perhaps other ships are better, but I don't care to divert my training to another race right now. My question was how best to improve my survivability vs web/scramble rats, thanks. Edit: besides, the enyo is too ugly to climb into ;)
Necrologic	Posted - 2005.12.10 02:16:00 - [11] Fit a web and come in at longer range, snipe the frigs first. Don't fit wcs, they will cut down your dps too much and you won't be able to pull the bs down.
Antic	Posted - 2005.12.10 02:22:00 - [12] will 125mm IIs have enough Dps with 2 mag stabs to cut it in 0.0 belting? Sick of flying a raven down there. Trying a harpy would be a change of scenery.
Rajon Kelper	Posted - 2005.12.10 02:31:00 - [13] you cant pull the BSs down alone in a harpy anyways, even with 150mm II's fitted with antimatter. I've been stupid enough to get myself into the same situation, I've lost both a hawk and a harpy to those fricking annoying scrambling rats in the last 2 weeks... I actually had to pull out my miner and make a bit of cash. I suggest a webber. My last harpy loss was WITH a webber, and I only baaaarely got popped. With a slightly better tank I would have been fine. That, of course, was using only a sb2 due to my wanting to kill just a couple more rats before heading to empire to get a gistii booster off escrow. My suggestions: 1. Get a mining ship out, mine crok for a day, sell the zyd, and buy yourself a gistii booster. It's the best in the game and WILL make an enormous difference. Base stats are 57 shield boost off of only 13 cap. sb2 boosts 30 with a cap drain of 20. See the difference? 2. Get a webbi. It is your friend. --------------------------------------------------- "The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.12.10 03:04:00 - [14] While I can fly the harpy I've never done so because of my non existant hybrid skills. But I can't see a reason for you not to rat with it. I'd fit an ab or mwd to it. Warp in at range, use the harpy's range bonus and snipe the inties then come up right on the bs and pound them with short range ammo. Or alternatively if blasters track well enough just fit blasters and Leroy it.
Cheechako	Posted - 2005.12.10 05:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Antic will 125mm IIs have enough Dps with 2 mag stabs to cut it in 0.0 belting? Sick of flying a raven down there. Trying a harpy would be a change of scenery. No...(I've taken down 750Ks in my 125 rail harpy, but it took almost two full reloads on my guns to kill it) Fit blasters if you want to rat in 0.0 in a harpy. My fav setup is find a race that does kin/therm. Fit an AB2, SB2, webber, and go to town with some ion blasters.
Tahki	Posted - 2005.12.10 06:35:00 - [16] I rat in a inty(yes i know its stupid and a waste of time.) I've never warped in with webbing frigs that close. Sounds like you caught some bad luck/lag. I would just check all the belts from 100k first, take note of the spawns with frigs, and avoid them.
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.10 10:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Tahki I rat in a inty(yes i know its stupid and a waste of time.) I've never warped in with webbing frigs that close. Sounds like you caught some bad luck/lag. I would just check all the belts from 100k first, take note of the spawns with frigs, and avoid them. qft You will have problems with guristas though. I noticed that i easier kill blood rats with taranis than gurista rats.
l3xz	Posted - 2005.12.10 10:48:00 - [18] try tech 2 blasters get close webb em and watch them pop dont for get anti matter if you carnt use tech 2 blasters train for em :}
Sentani	Posted - 2005.12.10 10:49:00 - [19] Edited by: Sentani on 10/12/2005 10:49:42 i havnt tried this setup against rats yet... but it fits... 4x t2 125s 1x rocket launcher 1x coldgas AB 2x caprechargers 1x web 1x t2 armor rep 1x 200mm tungsten... get somewhere around 890 armor and 750 sheilds and allmost 10 cap/s... should work for PvP to if you dump one capre for a jammer... ____________ The cargo bay is overloaded and cannot be made to fit Expanded Cargohold I. It is currently only capable of fitting 8772.12 units and it is currently jammed full with 9558.33 units.
Nikita Fontaine	Posted - 2005.12.10 14:46:00 - [20] Edited by: Nikita Fontaine on 10/12/2005 14:48:49 Originally by: Rajon Kelper you cant pull the BSs down alone in a harpy anyways, even with 150mm II's fitted with antimatter. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH, I kill 1 Millon ISK Battleship NPC's regularly with 150mm II kitted Harpy. Its even easier with neutron blasters though. Webber is a must for a harpy though... EDIT: My Blaster Harpy kills 750K BS rats less than 10 seconds slower than my corpmates Eagle does... ----------------------------------------------- Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ
Brastagi	Posted - 2005.12.10 14:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Nikita Fontaine Edited by: Nikita Fontaine on 10/12/2005 14:48:49 Originally by: Rajon Kelper you cant pull the BSs down alone in a harpy anyways, even with 150mm II's fitted with antimatter. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH, I kill 1 Millon ISK Battleship NPC's regularly with 150mm II kitted Harpy. Its even easier with neutron blasters though. Webber is a must for a harpy though... EDIT: My Blaster Harpy kills 750K BS rats less than 10 seconds slower than my corpmates Eagle does... qft, I've seen Nik able to tank about 3 rat BS's (maybe more ) in harpy during 0.0 mining op. --------- Watch me gravitate Ha ha ha ha ha....
DeepfriedTator	Posted - 2005.12.10 16:08:00 - [22] T II 125's will do more than enough damage to break the tank of lower end npc's. If you can afford a gisti sb. Do so.. this alone will let you sit and laugh at the rats while they hit ya. Also try getting a Gurista kinetic hardner (passive). extra 7.5 will make a difference as well. the higher end battleships though 1.5 mil and up you will be hard pressed to break there tank with the setup. but 1 mil and down you can own..... well with plenty of ammo anyways
Cheechako	Posted - 2005.12.10 21:00:00 - [23] Again, a blaster harpy is a mean 0.0 belt killer.... I have t1 blasters on mine over t2 125 rails ;)
Jogyn	Posted - 2005.12.10 21:11:00 - [24] Fit t 2 neutron blasters, get both antimatter and the +60% ammo, and if you are fighting guirtas, kill anything but deathdealers (they orbit at 8km, web/scrams you and can take pretty much damage). Just run when you see those
Triscuit	Posted - 2005.12.10 22:51:00 - [25] 4x light ion II 1x rocket launcher II 1x small shield booster II 1x afterburner II 1x webber 1x small cap booster II w/ 75 charges 2x mag stab II Works great, just be careful around webbing/scrambling frigs. I usually carry iridium or iron to boost the blaster range to hit the NPC frigs when they have you webbed and you can't close range on them.
Dotar Sojat	Posted - 2005.12.12 12:07:00 - [26] The premise that any frigate even a tech 2, could tank and destroy two npc battleships and their escorts proves just how unbalanced the game has become. It's like saying I could defeat a carrier battle group with an armored ski boat and 3 friends with hunting rifles. I remember the days when a Battleship was a Battleship and frigates were for n00bs. OMFG I need to throw up now!
Alissandra	Posted - 2005.12.12 13:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Triscuit 4x light ion II 1x rocket launcher II 1x small shield booster II 1x afterburner II 1x webber 1x small cap booster II w/ 75 charges 2x mag stab II Works great, just be careful around webbing/scrambling frigs. I usually carry iridium or iron to boost the blaster range to hit the NPC frigs when they have you webbed and you can't close range on them. If you can afford it, fit a gisti ab and a gisti sb. Then you can swap out the cap booster with a cap recharger and run all guns, shield booster, ab and web without running out of cap. Not even the biggest, meanest webbing spawn will be anywhere near breaking your tank. Ions actually seem to be able to take down npc bs spawns faster than neutron blasters, and they are way easier to fit.
Jogyn	Posted - 2005.12.15 13:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Dotar Sojat The premise that any frigate even a tech 2, could tank and destroy two npc battleships and their escorts proves just how unbalanced the game has become. It's like saying I could defeat a carrier battle group with an armored ski boat and 3 friends with hunting rifles. I remember the days when a Battleship was a Battleship and frigates were for n00bs. OMFG I need to throw up now! No, its more like killing a carrier with a F14 raptor. (you can do that, you just need loads of ammo)
Mangus Thermopyle	Posted - 2005.12.15 13:38:00 - [29] A web helps a lot against those frigs, since your 125 will hit more. Also, you should have good 'cap' skills (Energy Management and another one) so you can run the shield booster for a long time. My harpy is setup like this: 4 * 125 with AM, missile launcher gisti ab, gisti sb, X5 webber, named cap recharger 2 * Mag Stab II I once tanked a dread spawn in it (2 1M BS, 1 4M BS, 4 cruisers and 7 nihilists) without any problems, but I needed help from a wingman to break the tank of the BSes. If you cant affort the gisti stuff, use the best you can get, the setup should work pretty well anyway. Originally by: Tholarim And i don't mind being dispised.
Paula ziod	Posted - 2005.12.15 16:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Alissandra Originally by: Triscuit 4x light ion II 1x rocket launcher II 1x small shield booster II 1x afterburner II 1x webber 1x small cap booster II w/ 75 charges 2x mag stab II Works great, just be careful around webbing/scrambling frigs. I usually carry iridium or iron to boost the blaster range to hit the NPC frigs when they have you webbed and you can't close range on them. If you can afford it, fit a gisti ab and a gisti sb. Then you can swap out the cap booster with a cap recharger and run all guns, shield booster, ab and web without running out of cap. Not even the biggest, meanest webbing spawn will be anywhere near breaking your tank.. 0.o your not serious that you could run your whole setup non stop? thats mi only problem is not beign able to hold my cap the whole time. I used to fit 4x 150mm t2, gistii sb, ab, em hardner and webber i think it ws and if i shut all guns off i could run my gistii and hardner forever but not everything. If adding a cap recharger lets me, then i think i will go back and get myself soemmore gisti stuff. (dunno if the blasters use more or less cap then teh rails though) I used a hawk for most of my npc, 3 light neutrons, tank in mids and a dmg mod or 2 in low and i could almost take out a 1 mill bs, i didnt have a missle launcher fitted eaither. If i went at it long enuff i could prolly take it out but it held at 10% armor for a long time. If i go back and look at the setups now i should have an eaiser time fitting with advance wep upgrades lvl 4

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