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BMX Bandit
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Posted - 2005.12.11 04:38:00 -
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Having left Eve to play WOW when it released, i really thought WoW was a better game when i started and it was for the first 3 months (bliz through alot of money into that game to make it damn pretty). But after 3 months the game stops and a new one starts. Just imagine that all the end game eve loot was in one single Dungeon and you needed 40 people to go in there and set aside at least 4 hours to do it.....And on top of that you'd be lucky to get yourself 1 piece of loot a month because its split between 40 people......Thats how sad WoW got....
Anyone who played long enough would agree with me on that. WoW could learn alot from the way eve is structured, the quotes are right eve is alot less tructured than WoW.
Also another thing that frustrated me about WOW was the customer service, Eve on its worst day was better than a good day on the WoW server i played on that supposedly only had 6000 people on it. And then to get no reasponse from bliz about anything was really frustrating. And the worst thing was they would give you a day free on the really bad days, what do i want 50 cents for, they just wasted my whole afternoon ffs!
Anyway need to take my medication to calm down getting antsy.
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Ecnav
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Posted - 2005.12.11 05:25:00 -
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Eve is greater then WoW because WoW sucks
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.12.11 05:31:00 -
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World of Warcraft is really not a bad game though... It's just really more of a game that you can play on occasion and still enjoy, with Eve that's not really possible, you have to totally dive in in order to really even get some grasp of what is going on...
I played both WoW and Eve extensively, and I find plenty of things wrong and right with either one. WoW is just simply fun to play, getting cool items and new powers and levels is great.
I think the most credit I give WoW over Eve though is the way it promotes teamplay in every aspect of it, not just PvP. In Eve you oftentimes find yourself doing stuff all on your own, running missions, doing traderoutes, mining... A lot of activities in Eve simply don't really promote teamplay on a higher level...
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Vina
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Posted - 2005.12.11 06:47:00 -
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Well in L2, dropping an item like your weapon (which you can in certain situations) is a game-stopper.
Losing your weapon means you can no longer grind or make money because you can't kill mobs your level (you make no money or xp from mobs under your level) so it makes the character useless since it can no longer DO ANYTHING. unless you ebay a new weapon.
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2005.12.11 07:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Vina
Well in L2, dropping an item like your weapon (which you can in certain situations) is a game-stopper.
Losing your weapon means you can no longer grind or make money because you can't kill mobs your level (you make no money or xp from mobs under your level) so it makes the character useless since it can no longer DO ANYTHING. unless you ebay a new weapon.
Ah yes... that's pretty frustating.. no to mention to get delvled when you die
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2005.12.11 07:58:00 -
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Don't need any WoW transplants in Eve, they'll just drag the quality of the community down.
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2005.12.11 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jester87
Im trying to convince some freinds to switch from WoW to Eve..
Please post why Eve is a better game, although I know alot of reasons I seem never to be able to fully convince them and need help
Just tell them you know of a nifty cool game where they can lag out and die just like they do in wow cause the servers are as overcrowded here as they are in WoW BUT when you lag out and die in eve you lose all yer gear permenantly.
if that don't convince them eve is a far superiour game nothing will.
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Olivin
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Posted - 2005.12.11 09:07:00 -
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WOW? Is it a game where you assume role of Harry Potter and must save the world from evil shamans?
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Ulle
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Posted - 2005.12.11 09:21:00 -
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WoW is the perfect mmog for the masses. It took them years, but finally game producers realized that the "players want challenge" theory was, for most players, false - it was true when mmogs were launched, but then the player mass at the time was D&D and tabletops roleplayers, while today true rpers are a little, vexed minority. Today players don't want challenges, they want the most gratification for the less effort, if you can max the gratification and min the effort you have a winner.
They will grind if necessary, if they can receive from time to time some shiny trinket, they will raid if that means someone else reading a script and they pressing X key when Y command is given, and if that means a chance for the Even Bigger Shiny Trinket. In EVE there is no real grind, the nearest thing being the agent runner career, but you can totally do without it, or change your mind months laters and do it.
In WoW, PvP is nothing more than glorified duels and confused zergs (=blobs in EVE lingo), with OMG Huge Shiny Trinket of Pwnzor as reward for the "effort" of killing a player that 99.99% of the times was easier than a same level mob because of your superior gear or levels. In EVE, PvP can be anything, from piracy to an important battle in a war scheme, to territorial defense, it can be warfare, it can be economical or even political, and it doesn't take you years and hundreds hours of raiding to prepare a kit, if your friends joins you after months you started you could kit him immediately, as soon as he has the skill to use them.
In WoW, the player career is linear, I want to be X so I have to do roll Y and do a,b,c steps, said steps being clearly documented as the effort of deciding what to do next is too much - WoW career is a railroad trip. After your EVE tutorial, you're left in one station out of thousands, without any special instruction other than "uh, there is this agent that could need some help, but also few hundreds more ...". WoW career is like sailing on open sea.
Like many said here, today in WoW is like yesterday, and tomorrow won't be that different, the only changes being patches, nerfs and revamps. Users believe (and the effort of convincing them is massive) they are the actors and heroes of the grand gaming history, but in truth they are just a decoration of the game environment, that will proceed of its own will without anything able to change its course but the next expansion planned by Blizzard. A single week in EVE will roll more player driven content that what a WoW player experienced since the game went live, plain and simple, and the right person in the right place and time can really change history.
But the bigger difference ... in WoW, it doesn't matter if you want to be the top dungeon raider or the bigger pvp gun, both ways you'll HAVE to devolve your free time completely. No ifs and buts, if your enemy will put 5 more hours every week, he'll be stronger and stronger than you.
and I don't want that, right ? I just need to play few more hours, I know I can make it, I could go to sleep one hour later or skip the gym on Wednesday.
Say bye bye to your RL. In EVE you have alternatives, when you don't have time you can set things so that your trading will go on anyway, your skills will train anyway, your ship will travel 20 steps anyway. Maybe slower, maybe less proficient, but still something and often more than something. You can have your RL without the hassle of feeling "forced" to log in.
There is more, but I babble too much :) The final note. This game isn't for everyone. If freedom of action scares you, if deciding your doom and being responsable for your choices is too much, if you think the time spent in a game grinding and raiding should guarantee you more safety than the social relations you built, then by all means go play WoW.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.12.11 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Summersnow
Originally by: Jester87
Im trying to convince some freinds to switch from WoW to Eve..
Please post why Eve is a better game, although I know alot of reasons I seem never to be able to fully convince them and need help
Just tell them you know of a nifty cool game where they can lag out and die just like they do in wow cause the servers are as overcrowded here as they are in WoW BUT when you lag out and die in eve you lose all yer gear permenantly.
if that don't convince them eve is a far superiour game nothing will.
helpful, eh?
you're playing eve - you must be here and not in WoW for a reason. what is it?
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Lyah Moonshade
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Posted - 2005.12.11 10:24:00 -
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I got several chars to 60 in WoW before returning to EvE. As many have stated before, WoW is a nice game for 1-59, but at 60 it turns into a pointless grind where you endlessly repeat the same instances hoping to get that blue or purple item to drop, then eventually lose the roll to someone else.
The road that takes you from 1-50 is very nicely made however. The game takes you by the hand from the start and guides you through it. This results in a not too steep learning curve, allowing even sub teens to grasp the game quickly. It's comparable with a McDonalds Happy Meal. You buy your food, get a nice toy with it and fill your belly for maybe 3 hours. Then you're hungry again.
EvE is quite different and the relatively small number of subscribers shows that it only caters to a minority of players. The learning curve at the beginning is steep and consequences for making errors are harsh. This weeds out most of the trial players who enjoy the "WoW Mindset". In the long run, EvE fills your belly way more than WoW though.
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Chucky
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Posted - 2005.12.11 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jester87
Im trying to convince some freinds to switch from WoW to Eve..
Please post why Eve is a better game, although I know alot of reasons I seem never to be able to fully convince them and need help
Ah...say grown men shouldn't play with Elves
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Jaik Jermaine
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Posted - 2005.12.11 14:07:00 -
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the pvp penalty is a double edged sword tho, im turned off by the fact that i cant enjoy pvp without ****ing off my entire corperation. i cant pvp cause my corp isnt ready is bunk
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.11 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jaik Jermaine
the pvp penalty is a double edged sword tho, im turned off by the fact that i cant enjoy pvp without ****ing off my entire corperation. i cant pvp cause my corp isnt ready is bunk
If you want PvP without risk, go to the test server.
Its quite a lot of fun as a break from normal EVE PvP.
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Evil Mckenna
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Posted - 2005.12.11 14:17:00 -
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wow is cheese....anyone how plays should not be alowed to play eve....playing wow is a crime. dont let them come play eve
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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2005.12.11 14:22:00 -
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EVE is the ONLY game ever to give me shacks of Fear and exilheration. PvP is just awesome. Also its the only game in which I've ever frozen, Actually went Mind Numb after blundering into a gate camp. I just sat there in my Raven as it went pop, Didnt even fire a Missile all because the shock had took over.
NEVER would you have a physilogical responce to PVP like that in WoW.
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Jaik Jermaine
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Posted - 2005.12.11 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
If you want PvP without risk, go to the test server.
Its quite a lot of fun as a break from normal EVE PvP.
to bad sisi says my account is inactive yet i can log on and off tranq all day and night
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.12.11 14:52:00 -
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Its greater because WoW is aimed at a player base of 2 years old and above.
Its a multiplayer cartoon.
EvE is an involving Space opera.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.11 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jaik Jermaine
Originally by: Dark Shikari
If you want PvP without risk, go to the test server.
Its quite a lot of fun as a break from normal EVE PvP.
to bad sisi says my account is inactive yet i can log on and off tranq all day and night
That's because when the mirror took place, you hadn't paid.
Wait for the next mirror, its coming soon.
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Qwynn
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Posted - 2005.12.11 15:13:00 -
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The PvP in WoW is a joke. Even the people who play purely for PvP in WoW hate it.
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Aornn
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Posted - 2005.12.11 17:57:00 -
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Only thing missing from WOW PVP is DAOC style frontiers.
After that, the game would be pure gravy. :)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.11 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Aornn
Only thing missing from WOW PVP is DAOC style frontiers.
After that, the game would be pure gravy. :)
More like pure crap.
Any PvP in which you simply respawn when you die is stupid.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Aornn
Only thing missing from WOW PVP is DAOC style frontiers.
After that, the game would be pure gravy. :)
More like pure crap.
Any PvP in which you simply respawn when you die is stupid.
its like playing a game and having god mode on...just pointless....
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Vina
Well in L2, dropping an item like your weapon (which you can in certain situations) is a game-stopper.
Losing your weapon means you can no longer grind or make money because you can't kill mobs your level (you make no money or xp from mobs under your level) so it makes the character useless since it can no longer DO ANYTHING. unless you ebay a new weapon.
But if your weapon is absent because you pawned it to buy 500 T2 comps... erm... B-grade crafting materials... then you can't lose it at all!
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Skyscorcher on 11/12/2005 19:35:46
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Aornn
Only thing missing from WOW PVP is DAOC style frontiers.
After that, the game would be pure gravy. :)
More like pure crap.
Any PvP in which you simply respawn when you die is stupid.
We're sorry you don't like FPS type game mechanics. We're sorry that you do not like World of Warcraft. We're sorry you think that the player should suffer needlessly upon death. We get it. Go away.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2005 19:43:16
Originally by: Skyscorcher
Edited by: Skyscorcher on 11/12/2005 19:35:46
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Aornn
Only thing missing from WOW PVP is DAOC style frontiers.
After that, the game would be pure gravy. :)
More like pure crap.
Any PvP in which you simply respawn when you die is stupid.
We're sorry you don't like FPS type game mechanics. We're sorry that you do not like World of Warcraft. We're sorry you think that the player should suffer needlessly upon death. We get it. Go away.
I like FPS games.
I play Unreal Tournament all the time.
However, World of Warcraft is an MMORPG, not an FPS.
If it was an FPS, the mechanic it uses would be fine.
We're sorry you don't comprehend basic MMORPG mechanics, and the difference between two very different genres.
We're sorry that you don't comprehend PvP beyond the idea of "needless suffering after death," like the fact that without any sort of consequence for PvP it might as well not exist.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2005 19:43:16
Originally by: Skyscorcher
Edited by: Skyscorcher on 11/12/2005 19:35:46
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Aornn
Only thing missing from WOW PVP is DAOC style frontiers.
After that, the game would be pure gravy. :)
More like pure crap.
Any PvP in which you simply respawn when you die is stupid.
We're sorry you don't like FPS type game mechanics. We're sorry that you do not like World of Warcraft. We're sorry you think that the player should suffer needlessly upon death. We get it. Go away.
I like FPS games.
I play Unreal Tournament all the time.
However, World of Warcraft is an MMORPG, not an FPS.
If it was an FPS, the mechanic it uses would be fine.
We're sorry you don't comprehend basic MMORPG mechanics, and the difference between two very different genres.
We're sorry that you don't comprehend PvP beyond the idea of "needless suffering after death," like the fact that without any sort of consequence for PvP it might as well not exist.
Even at that i don't consider WoW even to be an MMORPG.......Dark is making good points....Sky is flaming....
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:51:00 -
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WoW at level 60 is Diablo 2 (warcraft edition) with a counter-strike theme. I am probably wrong but it is how I feel. 
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:56:00 -
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Two. Different. Beasts.
WoW is PvE with PvP tacked onto it. EVE is PvP with PvE tacked onto it.
WoW's Battlegrounds are like EVE's Complexes. They suffer because the groundwork doesn't cater specifically to it.
In WoW, PvP is just another way to get the good gear. It's just as much of a grind, but allows for more solo play than running Molten Core for three months.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.11 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
WoW is PvE with PvP tacked onto it. EVE is PvP with PvE tacked onto it.
QFT.
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