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Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
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Posted - 2013.07.17 09:08:00 -
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So if you close the WH and your fleet has about 5 man..... they are able to look in DScan or normal Anomaly scan. W-space is not so hard to shoot some miners. most of them ignor the Dscan, so you get them easy. Also befor the patch if you where fast you get them under 1 min, and they never know what happend to them.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18681816
i waited half an hour, because i have to wait for the others. Meanwhile, they scanned down the HS and they did not close it..... This was realy negligence. If they closed it, they never lost a ship on that day. Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare -
Irren ist menschlich, doch im Irrtum zu verharren ist ein Zeichen von Dummheit. |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
138
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Posted - 2013.07.17 09:49:00 -
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While I do love constant squabbling.. I'll try to add a gudpost to this.
When the grav sigs to ore anoms changes were made, I pointedly asked for an accompanying change to keep the risk:reward of wspace mining roughly the same. It was not an area CCP was willing to get involved in, as it would potentially affect a very large number of other players.
Unfortunately, wspace mining is quite literally a fraction of a fraction of the vast sum of playstyles, and as such I doubt there will be targeted changes made. However, I am committed to making sure that changes to the game are inclusive to our little niche.
Fly Safe. CSM 8 Representative
http://csm8.org |
Forget Myface
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:17:00 -
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Bro, u just gotta blue up with everyone.. get like 20000 blues in your corp, and then all move into the same system. It works like a charm!
EDITED: Fixed accuracy |
Jynx Surati
Bite Me inc Bitten.
1
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:55:00 -
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why mine when you can do it for zero effort in high-sec. |
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
171
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:00:00 -
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See it for you advantage,.... you have also the chance to shoot down miner in other Wormholes... Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare -
Irren ist menschlich, doch im Irrtum zu verharren ist ein Zeichen von Dummheit. |
Jynx Surati
Bite Me inc Bitten.
1
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:07:00 -
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Kira Hhallas wrote:See it for you advantage,.... you have also the chance to shoot down miner in other Wormholes...
Don't get me wrong. I love a free snack.
I suggest finding a way to adapt without increasing effort to safety. I won't tell you how though |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
537
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:50:00 -
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vizax vonkoffer wrote: If the WH is open, fine I understand the risk involved, but I completely agree with the fact that having free-grab warps to the grav site is complete crap. *Everything else* in the WH requires effort to find, why make this different.
Not true, most wormhole ratting happens in combat anomalies and they are just as easy to warp to as ore anoms are now.
I agree that wormhole mining is too dangerous now to make sense. Tbh, it always was. Being semi-afk is the only way to mine without dying of boredom (which is why I don't mine). And mining afk in nullsec space is obviously suicidal.
But if you absolutely insist to mine in wormholes, you'll have to rely on d-scan and hole control just like everybody else. . |
Random Woman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:56:00 -
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Can we get the clever/funny trolls back, this one is neither funny nor clever and its trying to hard,. |
SpiderPig 96
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
1
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Posted - 2013.07.17 13:37:00 -
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Guys I have a crazy idea.... If you don't like the current way ore sites in WHs work... then don't go mining in WHs? Crazy I know, but just throwin that out there. |
Ubersnug Dallocort
Lead Farmers Origin Kill It With Fire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:40:00 -
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I really don't see the issue. if anything the patch has made things EASIER for the WH miner.
Ill repeat and echo, mostly, what has been said here:
1. Scan down your wh Yes, scan down every sig and confirm what they are. Apart from your static, you have an incoming. Well, first of all, always assume your static has been compromised. So roll it, then scan the new static but DON'tT WARP TO IT. Then, roll your incoming, assuming it's safe to do so.
There you go, your wormhole is locked down
2. Jump in your mining ship and double check the number of sigs and the sig id's match what you previous scanned. They do? awesome. Clear your results so you have an empty probe scan result.
3a. Without probes out, just keep an eye on any new sigs that appear. HAving cleared your results previously should make any new sigs blindingly obvious. So, when something new appears, Immediately warp out.
3b. With probes out, you might just catch that sig before your standard scan window registers it, meaning you can get out of dodge a few seconds eariler that not having probes out.
Now, if you look at the above 3 steps, THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING PRE PATCH ANYWAY! If you are AFKing ANYTHING in a WH, then you are doing it wrong people. |
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Moirae Nemesis
Bite Me inc Bitten.
16
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:09:00 -
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i have mined. ok ok i was really really drunk, and it was a really really long time ago.
the problem with wormhole space mining is that it is, in every way, a little worse than mining in null sec.
the composition of the belts also do not support building anything. take the building component away and what is remaining is mining abc ore for isk. and here is where it starts getting funny.
you need a rorqual to compress the ore to really make it proper profitable, but that you already have in null sec.
what should change is, a wormhole only, ore refinery posmodule that would be vastly better than the current one. other than that, its business as usual. scouts on all wormholes, keep an eye out for new sigs. same as in null.
i feel that if we remove the hauling to highsec and change composition of belts so that they have added veldspar, mining in wormholes would be more interesting and common.
so OT. no, there is no point. |
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
171
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:14:00 -
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A question what is bothering me. Does the K162 side appears at the Moment you scan it to 100% or does it appears in the Moment warp to the static WH. What i know is , that if the sigs is scanned to 100% the WH will open the K162 and the timer beguns to run....
Can some confirm it ?
Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare -
Irren ist menschlich, doch im Irrtum zu verharren ist ein Zeichen von Dummheit. |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
20
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:16:00 -
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James Arget wrote:While I do love constant squabbling.. I'll try to add a gudpost to this.
When the grav sigs to ore anoms changes were made, I pointedly asked for an accompanying change to keep the risk:reward of wspace mining roughly the same. It was not an area CCP was willing to get involved in, as it would potentially affect a very large number of other players.
Unfortunately, wspace mining is quite literally a fraction of a fraction of the vast sum of playstyles, and as such I doubt there will be targeted changes made. However, I am committed to making sure that changes to the game are inclusive to our little niche.
Fly Safe.
You write a bit convoluted here so I'm having trouble understanding what you really mean. What does "not an area CCP was willing to get involved in" mean? CCP don't want to get involved in their game? They could hire me then and I can do that.
Also: I just want to inform you that even though I do not mine but rather hunt miners I liked the old way much much more. There is nothing even closely related to skill to kill miners now. With the old mechanic I at least had to scan them down in one scan and MAYBE I'd get them. Challenge-less is useless. And very boring.
I know several people that are of the same opinion. So please James, work with getting W-space harder. Start with sigs popping up as soon as they appear, please. It's really a game-breaker. |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
112
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:27:00 -
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Was going to +1 every comment that disagreed with the OP. But can't be bothered.
Pay attention, don't sit one warp in at zero, gtfo when someone uncloaks next to you. It's not rocket science is it? If it's a stealth bomber pointing you, it'll take around 3.5seconds or so to lock a venture (about the same as venture align time - but ofcourse, you'll be aligned), and then it has to apply a scram to lock you there.
If it is any other cloaky managing to point you. Well you deserve to die. |
Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
134
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:30:00 -
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Kira Hhallas wrote:A question what is bothering me. Does the K162 side appears at the Moment you scan it to 100% or does it appears in the Moment warp to the static WH. What i know is , that if the sigs is scanned to 100% the WH will open the K162 and the timer beguns to run....
Can some confirm it ?
The second. You can scan it down and leave it and the other side will not show up till someone warps to your side later. |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
141
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:08:00 -
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Bjurn Akely wrote:James Arget wrote:While I do love constant squabbling.. I'll try to add a gudpost to this.
When the grav sigs to ore anoms changes were made, I pointedly asked for an accompanying change to keep the risk:reward of wspace mining roughly the same. It was not an area CCP was willing to get involved in, as it would potentially affect a very large number of other players.
Unfortunately, wspace mining is quite literally a fraction of a fraction of the vast sum of playstyles, and as such I doubt there will be targeted changes made. However, I am committed to making sure that changes to the game are inclusive to our little niche.
Fly Safe. You write a bit convoluted here so I'm having trouble understanding what you really mean. What does "not an area CCP was willing to get involved in" mean? CCP don't want to get involved in their game? They could hire me then and I can do that. Also: I just want to inform you that even though I do not mine but rather hunt miners I liked the old way much much more. There is nothing even closely related to skill to kill miners now. With the old mechanic I at least had to scan them down in one scan and MAYBE I'd get them. Challenge-less is useless. And very boring. I know several people that are of the same opinion. So please James, work with getting W-space harder. Start with sigs popping up as soon as they appear, please. It's really a game-breaker. I suggested a specific change to keep the risk:reward balance as it was, but CCP judged that it had too much potential spillover to be something they could change.
I shouldn't write stuff at 4am.
CSM 8 Representative
http://csm8.org |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
20
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:52:00 -
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James Arget wrote: I suggested a specific change to keep the risk:reward balance as it was, but CCP judged that it had too much potential spillover to be something they could change.
They should think again IMO. Now W-space feels pretty much like Null. Boring and easy to avoid fights if you want to. Site farming is very easy with little risk of being ganked. My wallet tells me so. I'd rather have a leaner wallet and more spectacular loss mails. |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
207
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:25:00 -
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If you are dieing in a venture you are a ******* idiot or afk
It has +2 warp core strength It aligns and warps in <5 seconds Its cap stable with AB on Goes over 2k with MWD Costs about 20million
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Srensis
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:17:00 -
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go back to hisec |
Jess Tanner
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
30
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Posted - 2013.07.18 00:26:00 -
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Just wanted to drop by and say that Hard Knocks offically supports instant populating local but only for miners cause everyone else will just abuse this with trolls and poorly google translated insults, ore sites only being probe scanned sites again, a decloaking mechanism in all grav sites to prevent afk tacklers from sitting in grav sites for endless hours waiting to kill miners precious ventures, +10 to all mining ships warp strength so miners dont have to worry about fitting there ships for survival and a loud BONG BONG WARNING WARNING sound whenever someone jumps into the same hole as a ship that is mining... |
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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1404
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Posted - 2013.07.18 03:30:00 -
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Of course there is a point.
It starts wonderful threads like this one. http://www.wormholes.info |
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
35
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Posted - 2013.07.18 04:00:00 -
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I've mined in WH space while AFK after odyssey. Tech 1 barges pay for themselves in less than 2 hours, still haven't been ganked. If you want to maximize profits by using tech 2 barges; you have to secure the wh at all times.
Edit: Ventures don't cost 20m. What are u smoking? |
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
171
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:18:00 -
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Tisisan wrote:Kira Hhallas wrote:A question what is bothering me. Does the K162 side appears at the Moment you scan it to 100% or does it appears in the Moment warp to the static WH. What i know is , that if the sigs is scanned to 100% the WH will open the K162 and the timer beguns to run....
Can some confirm it ?
The second. You can scan it down and leave it and the other side will not show up till someone warps to your side later.
Strange, in the last month we had some "Bugs" New Wormholes are appear on the same place then the old one. Funny thing was, if you jumped to the old BM and you dont scanned the new one to 100%, we also found a WH... but you cant jump through and the timer never begun to run.... In the moment a other player scanned the WH to 100%, the timer started and i was possible to use.
We had this "Bug" in the last month 2 -3 times.
Thats why I ask.
Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare -
Irren ist menschlich, doch im Irrtum zu verharren ist ein Zeichen von Dummheit. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
481
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Posted - 2013.07.18 07:31:00 -
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I agree these changes are very bad for the wh-miner, and clearly in the favour of the hunter. Even when you close your current exits, don't form the new ones and be vigilant on looking for new entrances forming as well as spamming the crap out of that D-scan, there is absolutely nothing that can be done to protect yourself against someone that is already in system. You see enough nullsec players moaning about AFK-cloakers, in wh-space you don't even know they're there to moan about. And once you finally think you're safe, BAM! You're locked, scrammed, jammed and slammed.
For that reason, i don't agree with hunters that moan that the system is now unfair against them. Sure, when you scan down that hole and enter you can expect everyone to immediately scatter in the presence of that new entrance, but after that it's free season! All you have to do then is wait patiently (or logoff till later), and soon enough those fools will start feeling all safe again, ready for you to ****-their-face.
Persoanlly, i think wh-mining is now dangerous in the extreme! Only something that should be attempted in a cheap venture, fully accepting that death is a good possibility. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
171
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Posted - 2013.07.18 08:02:00 -
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Ehmm.... it is W-Space ? W-Space should be in this way ? And yes we are prey and hunter together. But we never said the system ist unfair to the hunters.
So if you move into a WH system, you accpeted the danger that you can lose all, what you bring in or built in this wormhole System. And by the way.. it not so heasy to lose a Large Tower becasue in w-space... nobody will jump with 20 dreads out of the nothing and shoot your tower into RF....
So the danger is calculable. Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare -
Irren ist menschlich, doch im Irrtum zu verharren ist ein Zeichen von Dummheit. |
Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc Bitten.
100
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:21:00 -
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I read as far as the first line
Ronce wrote:... single pilot ... wh ...
Welcome to the most hostile environment to live in. You want to do it solo, you need the stones to go with it. That is all. |
Sorany
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
66
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:14:00 -
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if we get a local chat can we also get supers?
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Lucas Ericsson
Obstergo
0
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:22:00 -
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I didn't mind scanning down the miners the old fashioned way. Easier to catch them? Yep.
However, now that there is the new scanner system they also know when I have just rolled into their system.
We're even I think ;) |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo
310
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:33:00 -
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I wish to formally complain about mining in wormholes...
...because it is seriously important to this community. /s ~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Godfrey Silvarna
Frozen Dawn Inc Arctic Light
83
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:32:00 -
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Join a corp. |
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