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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
578
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:59:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Tenchi Sal wrote:your pretty much forced into sentries now. combat drones are out of the question. Not out of the question, but FORBIDDEN by ccp.
Clear the field a bit first then you can use light or mediums. Not sure about large as I never used them. From memory, meds can be used safely when there are only BC a BS on the field. If you have aggro firmly on your ship, light can be used with anything on the field. Just pay attention to elite frigs as they can swap target even with a painter on them. |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
292
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:04:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Tenchi Sal wrote:your pretty much forced into sentries now. combat drones are out of the question. Not out of the question, but FORBIDDEN by ccp. I do not think that word means what you think it means. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2506
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:04:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I keep reading about this "problem", and I'm not having it. Only occasionally NPCs concentrate fire on one drone but there's plenty of time to recall it.
Could be be due to having Level 5 in all light drone skills and specializations?
Nah. There must be something we can just assume instead and complain to CCP about. It's not a complaint, it's a question for CCP. Why are they forbidding drones in missions ?
They aren't, stop asking this question.
Drones getting aggro is to make it more challenging to use drone boats than to use them to afk it.
Drones as very much still certainly usable as the MAIN FORM OF DPS and if you can't keep drones from dying there is either something you don't understand or are quite simply doing it wrong.
Once while flying a domi I sent my ogres after a machariel that was sitting at like 55km (I only had gardes at the time and T1 omnis). One ogre took aggro and even after flying towards and away from that machariel in a straight line and taking several heavy hits that little ****** made his slow-ass back alive.
Now tell me, how in the **** are you losing sentries when they can be pulled in instantly yet my ogre survives a 50km slowboat with near 0 transversal to a battleship? The Drake is a Lie |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
473
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:08:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Either use Sentries outside their range, or use a bit of EW to make yourself be perceived as a bigger threat than your drones.
You now have the knowledge necessary to be successful, it's up to you to use it. I'll try golem with painter, let's see.
Or just kill off the smaller ships that's eating up your dones.
Then sick 'em on the cruiser+ sized ships.
I use them to eat through BSs while I make lunch (beats wasting ISK on missiles). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
29
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:09:00 -
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This makes me want to dust of my Domi and actually run a mission. Sounds like they're more fun and challenging and less of a bore than they were 3-4 years ago |
Arec Bardwin
990
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:15:00 -
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Perhaps he's right.
Perhaps CCP added an exception in the drone AI just for him.
Perhaps CCP hates him SPECIFICALLY. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2286
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:23:00 -
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Micro Jump Drive Operation
Sentry Drone Interfacing
Dominix
3x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II's
2x Drone Link Augmentor II's
3x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Tank to taste, I suggest a Reactive Armor Hardener in the mix.
Jump when you land in the mission and engage with SENTRY DRONES ONLY when you come out of the jump.
Make sure to deliberately target frigates first.
If ships start getting too close, scoop your drones and MJD in another direction, preferably keeping yourself on-grid with your mission.
This has been a public service announcement paid for by the MJD and SENTRY DRONES. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
706
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:27:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Every time i use drones in level 1 - 4 mission they get attacked in 2 seconds. So for example i warp in with dominix aggro the room deploy drones. The second i deploy drones 7 npc's switch aggro to my drones and at least one drone dies. So i am asking you CCP are drones not allowed in missions anymore ? because this is just insane how quickly npc's switch aggro and how quickly drones die. So basically we players can't use drones at all in missions or plexes. So why are drones forbidden in missions / plexes now ?!
CCP hates Gallente.....They are French after all.
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:33:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote: Method 2: Fit several remote reppers Deploy just sentries Lock them all Rep whichever ones catch aggro
Note: Even just one RR is good to carry, to fix drones that you fail to recall fast enough.
Method 3:
Bring friends. With 3 or more ships on the field drones rarely catch aggro.
This RR is banable by ccp. You will get banned if you RR your drones:
read here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/regarding-afk-complex-farming-1 http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84360 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15573
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:34:00 -
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Spc One wrote:It's not a complaint, it's a question for CCP. Incorrect, becauseGǪ Why are they forbidding drones in missions ?[/quote]GǪthat's just nonsense. They're not, and your personal failure at using drones does not represent any kind of policy or design flaw on CCP's part.
So no, you're not asking a question (because the supposed GÇ£questionGÇ¥ is unbelievably idiotic and completely disconnected from realitty) GÇö you are simply whinging over your own inattentiveness and inability to play the game.
Quote:This RR is banable by ccp. No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:36:00 -
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It's the fact that you can't use drones in missions anymore. Try dominix with 5 ogre's.
It's not whining it's a FACT.
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Sarmatiko
1323
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:37:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Micro Jump Drive Operation + Sentry Drone Interfacing + Dominix ^this Currently Sentry Dominix is even better than Kronos in PVE (in terms of effectiveness and cost). But of course OP can keep crying about evil CCP and "DRONES FORBIDDEN IN MISSIONS"
Spc One wrote:Try dominix with 5 ogre's. Heavy drone effectiveness in PVE was questionable and low even before AI changes happened. Use sentries and don't go afk and you will never lose any drone on mission. -¥ |
Erik Dalvon
Dalvon's Drones
3
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:37:00 -
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Other hints
- Don't have drones behavior set to aggressive - set to passive so they only attack when you have aggro and tell them to attack
- Be very aware of elite frigates, they seem particularly prone to attacking drones - kill them first
- (Something I only found out last night) don't get your main craft out of range of the enemy while leaving the drones in range - if they can't shoot at you, they'll shoot at what they can
This, admittedly, only from Level 3 missions. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15573
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:37:00 -
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Spc One wrote:It's the fact-áfiction that you can't use drones in missions anymore. Fixed.
Quote:It's not whining it's a FACT. Incorrect on both accounts.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2383
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:40:00 -
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Spc One wrote:It's the fact that you can't use drones in missions anymore. Try dominix with 5 ogre's.
It's not whining it's a FACT.
The Farce is strong with this one.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:42:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Spc One wrote:Even with golem, using painter doesn't help at all.
What kind of drone did you use and what enemy ship were on the field when you used them? I used light drones (hobgoblins II) and all the frigates+cruisers attacked my drones, sansha NPC's.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3108
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:43:00 -
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What I do is load up precision missiles and use a TP and take out the NPC ships in order of smallest to largest.
Therefore combined drone and precision missile DPS on the ships most threatening to drones ensures that in the majority of the time, the drones don't even get scratched.
Now, how would there be a problem otherwise?
Is somebody AFK?
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Yana Shakti
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:43:00 -
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I use Navy drones instead of the civilian variants and it works fine. They have double the hitpoints so even if I screw up with the aggro management a little bit, they still usually survive.
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Toshiro Hasegawa
The Circus Corp Nulli Tertius
14
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:45:00 -
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Been using drones exclusvely for PVE in null sec for ratting .. havnt lost a single sentry in 2+ months of play and have only lost 1 med drone in all that time. I do not find that they get auto target within seconds .. but they do get targeted like all other ships in the area. I watch them closly and return them to drone bay when they are being hit and spit them right back out.
I also fit a med shield repper .. but i usually only use it after the fight to heal any that are still dmged.
I dont think things are anywhere near as bad as the OP suggests .. but maybe my skills are better, or setup with the Gila + Sentries better than having dronesall over the battlefield.
I would imagine one would want to use the right drones at the right range at the right time.
Keep them close to be pulled back in when being dmged, use small quick ones to kills small quick things first and then move out to rats further out when there is less dps comming your way. Maybe pull the drones back in after a few kills to reset aggro. |
SquirlRuler Cadelanne
Guilliman Initiative Aurora Foundation
2
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:52:00 -
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Damn you CCP for making OP need skills to play!! |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2020
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:00:00 -
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I have remote shield & armor reppers on my two Rattlesnakes. Works great.
I also have energy transfer between them.
When using a Tengu or Legion for DPS, the NPC ignore all the Rattlesnake drones. When using a Raven Navy Issue, the drones may get aggro, but a few reps and all is well.
0 to 15 km: Ogre II (I even get lazy and use them on frigates, which they are very capable of quickly destroying) >15 km: Sentries |
illirdor
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
53
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:02:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fwJo3bA05Q
/Thread...
Soooo this is my sig....-á |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
550
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:05:00 -
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Don't listen to these people, OP.
Drones are most certainly forbidden now.
In fact, you could be banned for using them to mission.
You should probably stop playing until you're ready to use a different ship. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
473
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:11:00 -
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For 24hrs or some unreasonable amount. Unreasonable isn't 15 minutes.
The world of gaming would come to a screeching halt, if the players couldn't go AFK to get his pizza!
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Willmahh
4
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:14:00 -
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Gurista extravaganza L4 with my rattlensake last night - not a single drone got agro; not a single drone died. How you ask?
step1 - get agro step 2 - launch lights to take out everything up to battleships step 3 - launch senties to pop battleships. step 4 - recall sentries if new waves spawn and restart at step 1, if not proceed to step 5 step 5 - ??? step 6 - Profit!!!
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Doddy
Dark-Rising
854
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:19:00 -
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Drone management is not exactly hard. If your drones are dying you are either to slow, or your drones are not tough enough for the missions you are using. Are you using a drone bonused ship? Are you using t2 drones? Do you have drone durability trained to at least 4? If the answer to any of these is no you are doing it wrong.
If yes then you are just managing aggro badly. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
109
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:28:00 -
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SmokinDank wrote:This makes me want to dust of my Domi and actually run a mission. Sounds like they're more fun and challenging and less of a bore than they were 3-4 years ago
Don't bother. Still a bore.
No idea what the OP is talking about. I take my Hurricane with its measly complement of drones on missions all the time. Usually come back with all my drones. I suck at Eve, so it can't be how great I am. I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
845
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:47:00 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Perhaps he's right.
Perhaps CCP added an exception in the drone AI just for him.
Perhaps CCP hates him SPECIFICALLY.
!-- mission ai selection module /mission start /spawn npcs /initiate ai /if capsuleer = "SPC ONE" /initiate ai "dronmageddon" This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
627
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:50:00 -
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It's called agro (agression), one should learn to master it. In some cases, you want drones to take agro away from you. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
450
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:08:00 -
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First thing is, the new AI will switch targets when a new ship appears on grid. When you wait to have full agro and then deploy drones this kicks in, and they switch targets to your drones. Deploy lights first, as soon as you land, and target frigates, make sure focus fire is set, and that they are set to aggressive. Watch out for Elite frigates, as they will switch targets, even if you are using E-War/remote reps. Be attentive, otherwise you will lose drones, and even so you will lose a few drones regardless. Another thing: Train Drone Durability, you whiny scrub. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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