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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:18:00 -
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Every time i use drones in level 1 - 4 mission they get attacked in 2 seconds. So for example i warp in with dominix aggro the room deploy drones. The second i deploy drones 7 npc's switch aggro to my drones and at least one drone dies.
So i am asking you CCP are drones not allowed in missions anymore ? because this is just insane how quickly npc's switch aggro and how quickly drones die.
So basically we players can't use drones at all in missions or plexes. So why are drones forbidden in missions / plexes now ?!
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2965
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:19:00 -
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Um, you're doing it wrong?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
577
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:19:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Every time i use drones in level 1 - 4 mission they get attacked in 2 seconds. So for example i warp in with dominix aggro the room deploy drones. The second i deploy drones 7 npc's switch aggro to my drones and at least one drone dies. So i am asking you CCP are drones not allowed in missions anymore ? because this is just insane how quickly npc's switch aggro and how quickly drones die. So basically we players can't use drones at all in missions or plexes. Are they forbidden in missions / plexes now ?!
Use sentries or use light drones to assist your BS against orbitting small targets. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:20:00 -
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And how should i do it right then ?
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:21:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: Use sentries or use light drones to assist your BS against orbitting small targets.
Sentries also get aggro in 2 seconds, so no.
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Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:21:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Every time i use drones in level 1 - 4 mission they get attacked in 2 seconds. So for example i warp in with dominix aggro the room deploy drones. The second i deploy drones 7 npc's switch aggro to my drones and at least one drone dies. So i am asking you CCP are drones not allowed in missions anymore ? because this is just insane how quickly npc's switch aggro and how quickly drones die. So basically we players can't use drones at all in missions or plexes. So why are drones forbidden in missions / plexes now ?! Congratulations - the NPC AI is smarter than you are.
Pro tip: If what you're doing isn't working, try something different. |
Private Pineapple
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability Reckless Ambition
413
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:21:00 -
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Spc One wrote:And how should i do it right then ?
Get aggro first? I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:22:00 -
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use a mjd and sentries that should fix your problem |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:22:00 -
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Private Pineapple wrote:Spc One wrote:And how should i do it right then ?
Get aggro first? I do get aggro first, i aggro whole room then deploy drones.
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Ramael Hashur
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:24:00 -
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Spc One wrote:And how should i do it right then ?
Not afk mission anymore, essentially. In the olden days you could deploy drones after you've aggro'd the room and things would be fine, you could let the drones do your dirty work.
But now you need to actively manage aggro. Put guns on that droneboat, attempt to actively shoot your enemies and let the drones assist.
I don't like it either though, personally. Back when I tried missioning again I basically had to set up a sentry domi fit with a MJD. You're pretty much forced to use sentries unless all you have left are frigates orbiting you. |
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De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group Circle-Of-Two
1733
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:25:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Private Pineapple wrote:Spc One wrote:And how should i do it right then ?
Get aggro first? I do get aggro first, i aggro whole room then deploy drones.
And then the aggro changes. Yes, that was added a while back. So now you have to actually manage your drones, not just fire and forget them. Deploy sentries. When they get aggro, call them back in, wait two seconds for the aggro to switch back to you, and then put them back to work. It's not hard to figure out, if you think about it. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15573
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:26:00 -
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Spc One wrote:So basically we players can't use drones at all in missions or plexes. So why are drones forbidden in missions / plexes now ?! Yes we can. They're not.
You just have to take care of them and do a bit of aggro management to keep them alive.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC The Last Chancers.
631
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:27:00 -
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EWAR is useful here, too. If you use any kind of EWAR or remote rep module, you will either make it much less likely that aggro will switch from you or much more likely that it will switch back to you. Target painters are great for this, and they improve your drones' applied DPS as well. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:28:00 -
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Ramael Hashur wrote:Spc One wrote:And how should i do it right then ?
Not afk mission anymore, essentially. In the olden days you could deploy drones after you've aggro'd the room and things would be fine, you could let the drones do your dirty work. But now you need to actively manage aggro. Put guns on that droneboat, attempt to actively shoot your enemies and let the drones assist. I don't like it either though, personally. Back when I tried missioning again I basically had to set up a sentry domi fit with a MJD. You're pretty much forced to use sentries unless all you have left are frigates orbiting you. I am not AFK , i am actively playing but all my drones are dying, it's not about AFK it's about not able to use drones at all. So why doesn't ccp just remove all the drones ? As i see the drones are forbidden.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15573
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:30:00 -
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Spc One wrote:it's not about AFK it's about not able to use drones at all. So why doesn't ccp just remove all the drones ? As i see the drones are forbidden. You're able to use drones. You just can't leave them without supervision and you have to take more care in ensuring that the rats find you a bigger nuisance than the drones. The reason they don't remove all the drones is because there's no reason to. They most certainly aren't forbidden.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
2037
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:32:00 -
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Spc One wrote:And how should i do it right then ?
Method 1:
Lock and shoot the NPCs with your guns for a bit Deploy drones, set them to "orbit" Wait for them to catch aggro Recall them Wait for aggro to revert to you Deploy drones, have them attack If they catch aggro again, recall and re-deploy Works best with sentries and light drones. Mediums and heavies get home too slowly and will get popped before you can recall them.
I use the above with a Domi and rarely lose a drone. Usually I lose a drone because I'm watching TV rather than the mission.
Method 2: Fit several remote reppers Deploy just sentries Lock them all Rep whichever ones catch aggro
Note: Even just one RR is good to carry, to fix drones that you fail to recall fast enough.
Method 3:
Bring friends. With 3 or more ships on the field drones rarely catch aggro. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Spc One wrote:it's not about AFK it's about not able to use drones at all. So why doesn't ccp just remove all the drones ? As i see the drones are forbidden. You're able to use drones. You just can't leave them without supervision and you have to take more care in ensuring that the rats find you a bigger nuisance than the drones. The reason they don't remove all the drones is because there's no reason to. They most certainly aren't forbidden. Well i can only leave them for maybe 2 seconds max.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15573
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:33:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Well i can only leave them for maybe 2 seconds max. No. Even so, take this opportunity to learn how to deal with the new AI.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4368
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:36:00 -
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Either use Sentries outside their range, or use a bit of EW to make yourself be perceived as a bigger threat than your drones.
You now have the knowledge necessary to be successful, it's up to you to use it. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:38:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Either use Sentries outside their range, or use a bit of EW to make yourself be perceived as a bigger threat than your drones.
You now have the knowledge necessary to be successful, it's up to you to use it. I'll try golem with painter, let's see.
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Cat Casidy
Origin. Black Legion.
150
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:38:00 -
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Now you're just being pouty. . |
De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group Circle-Of-Two
1733
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:39:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Tippia wrote:Spc One wrote:it's not about AFK it's about not able to use drones at all. So why doesn't ccp just remove all the drones ? As i see the drones are forbidden. You're able to use drones. You just can't leave them without supervision and you have to take more care in ensuring that the rats find you a bigger nuisance than the drones. The reason they don't remove all the drones is because there's no reason to. They most certainly aren't forbidden. Well i can only leave them for maybe 2 seconds max.
This is demonstrably false.
I routinely rat in a rattlesnake. I only have to pull my drones in between waves until I have aggro back on my ship. You're definitely doing something wrong. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Ramael Hashur
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:41:00 -
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Again, it seems really unfortunate that you're pretty much forced into a sentry role. It should be an option, not mandatory. And even if it's an option, you should get more 'reward' for putting more 'risk' into not using a sentry fit, i.e. having heavies and mediums actually compete with sentries for damage. At the moment, sentries are the least risky and most powerful. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
577
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:43:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Either use Sentries outside their range, or use a bit of EW to make yourself be perceived as a bigger threat than your drones.
You now have the knowledge necessary to be successful, it's up to you to use it. I'll try golem with painter, let's see.
You don't have to change ship. The EW does not need to be bonused to get most of the aggro. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:43:00 -
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Even with golem, using painter doesn't help at all.
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
577
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:45:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Even with golem, using painter doesn't help at all.
What kind of drone did you use and what enemy ship were on the field when you used them? |
Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
178
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:45:00 -
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your pretty much forced into sentries now. combat drones are out of the question. you might as well throw out mining drones. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:49:00 -
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Tenchi Sal wrote:your pretty much forced into sentries now. combat drones are out of the question. Not out of the question, but FORBIDDEN by ccp.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3108
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:53:00 -
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I keep reading about this "problem", and I'm not having it. Only occasionally NPCs concentrate fire on one drone but there's plenty of time to recall it.
Could be be due to having Level 5 in all light drone skills and specializations?
Nah. There must be something we can just assume instead and complain to CCP about. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:56:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I keep reading about this "problem", and I'm not having it. Only occasionally NPCs concentrate fire on one drone but there's plenty of time to recall it.
Could be be due to having Level 5 in all light drone skills and specializations?
Nah. There must be something we can just assume instead and complain to CCP about. It's not a complaint, it's a question for CCP. Why are they forbidding drones in missions ? |
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