you are the one saying no laws was broken, who is it exactly who is being the e-lawyery... look in the mirror...

The white-knight space lawyers are out in force today.

The titan pilot posts his EVE API on a 3rd party website designed specifically for displaying API information publicly.

Innocent til proven guilty dawg

Good thing that this is totes comparable to an SSN, the keys to your car, etc..

To be clear, I would download *your* car and vigorously stick my keys into it repeatedly and with reckless abandon while blaring your SSN over my sickass sound system wit da bass drops all up in that.

The white-knight space lawyers are out in force today.

The titan pilot posts his EVE API on a 3rd party website designed specifically for displaying API information publicly. He then uses 1234 as a password, and THEN posts that password on a public site. At this point EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE WORLD goes apeshit because one person decided to view this eveboard.

Anyway, you're all so mad about eveboard that you've forgotten to be mad about ISBOXER. I suggest you all go and make an ISBOXER thread, despite the fact that both ISBOXER and eveboard were just bling on this kill. The titan was doomed the moment he thought that "safe logoff" didn't apply to him -- if Rocket didn't get him, somebody else would have.

As always, good job Rocket.

Innocent til proven guilty dawg

Also, tell me how saying the issue is more complicated than you morons having some vague feeling that it's illegal saying that no laws were broken? Go on, I will wait for you.

HE'S ALREADY IN JAIL FOR HIS DASTARDLY DEEDS, HAVE SOME RESPECT YOU GODAWFUL PEOPLE

#freerocket

So you condone illegal activities. That sucks =(

To be clear, a player did something that he should not have.

To be clear, he quite succinctly said he did.

To be clear, he said he didn't even need the information he did access.



You know, to be clear.

GǪand the other issue is one of assumed and implied consent. There are plenty of situations where the continued use could be reasonably assumed.

There are also numerous examples where access has been given once, and then been turned into effective ownership because the details of the initial verbal agreement can't be established.

Any intentional access to obtain information to the detriment of the account holder should be considered unauthorized."

The key point from that article is: "Based on jury verdict, it appears that a use exceeding authorization constitutes an unathorized use under the statute. Furthermore, the context can establish the scope of permission. In this case, permission was granted to access an email account for performing work and obtaining information necessary for performing a job function. When the account was accessed four years later, the purpose was to obtain information to harm the owner of the email account and the employer. This was not a proper purpose.

Unless there is a written document establishing the scope of authorization for another's email account, the scope of any authorization should be limited to access for the benefit of the account holder. Any intentional access to obtain information to the detriment of the account holder should be considered unauthorized."

As far as eveboard goes, that doesn't really give any details to that kill apart from when the skill ran out which sure could give a theory in what timeframe a pilot would log on to change queue. Plus they had been monitoring him for quite some time it appears.

Is it illegal, from my view no it's not illegal in that sense, but not really wanted either, but should there be a need for me to implement additional security measures to prevent brute force (than those already in place) I will do so. Guessing passwords for 60 seconds I don't think will trigger any police action (especially not in the case of eveboard, and if there had been substantial load I'm sure my monitors would have gone haywire). PS. I don't at all condone.. condole(?) or approve of this technique at all, just giving my view on how I feel about it.

If anything, I'd rather see the whole ISboxer setup being more of a grey zone in this case.

/c

[quote=Lucius Exitiusbut since its an extension of the game its no different then guessing a POS password.

Then how do you read the api keys in game? YOU POST YOUR API on EVEBOARD POST being the key word there.

You don't. The game itself has no method of displaying information from API keys other than with the integrated web browser, which is reliant upon services provided by third parties.*

Just because you can access it using the in game browser does not make it part of the game.

* Unless you like reading XML.

To be clear, someone drove a forklift up your rearend.

To be clear, your familiarity with any country's law, let alone many countries' and on varying legal specialties, is fuckall and you're now talking through the resulting gaping wound.

To be clear, I downloaded the keys to that forklift, stuck them in til one worked, and am now inserting large numeric art sculptures back into the afforementioned gaping void in a series quite similar to your SSN.

Just ~bein' clear~

I'm no big city lawyer but I believe you just soiled yer britches.



Man let's go comparing this to all kindsa ****, rather than facing the reality that we lack social skills and need to find a healthy hobby that doesn't permanently alienate us from people that might otherwise enjoy our company if only we'd step from the dark corners of our dingy, cheeto-hazed, redbull-can-filled, vaugely sperm-smelling rooms from which we wile away the hours furiously slapping out long diatribes about internet space pixels and the surrounding statutory and legal precedents.

I like all the pseudo lawyers up in here, it's almost like you guys think something will come of this, its cute.

I'm no big city lawyer but I believe you just soiled yer britches.

Man let's go comparing this to all kindsa ****, rather than facing the reality that we lack social skills and need to find a healthy hobby that doesn't permanently alienate us from people that might otherwise enjoy our company if only we'd step from the dark corners of our dingy, cheeto-hazed, redbull-can-filled, vaugely sperm-smelling rooms from which we wile away the hours furiously slapping out long diatribes about internet space pixels and the surrounding statutory and legal precedents.

And here we have proof that a large majority of Eve players will happily discuss minutiae until it is well past relevance.

This reminds me of how I guessed the password of a secure container in space once. it was "8888" or something like that. Got 10 billion worth of what was apparently a sweatshop's loot. (The guys were stashing it in containers so as to guard their assets against the inevitable bans).

Anyway, gaining access to someone elses account on a computer system might be illegal, but even so, this falls outside CCP's jurisdiction anyway. Case closed.