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Rigsta
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Posted - 2005.12.14 20:13:00 -
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Really? on a forum? surely not!
Oh I'm sorry I thought the topic read "Whiners and losers" :)
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Blitz Hacker
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Posted - 2005.12.14 21:11:00 -
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What really bothers me is that CCP is aware of the Arty's for minm being sub-par. Yet nothing has been done to address it. :(
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.14 21:16:00 -
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They did.
They nerfed them.
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Krazytrader1
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Posted - 2005.12.14 21:29:00 -
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well the BC especially my passive tanked ferox got huge boost.
thorax can't really run plates on anymore but it seems faster
can't really say much else....didn't see a lot of changes do to MK2 project that seem to stand out much.
But BC's able to tank verse hacs rules. 8}
I did notice ravens with specialty skills and load of ballistcs is a huge damage dealer.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.12.14 21:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Drunkeh
Disagree a lot with your list. Old winner should definately include Raven and dominix. Old losers should include zealot, geddon, and tempest.
I put them in groups of three (though in some cases the ship turned into ships when the problem was very similar). Also, I'd put the Thorax down as one of the loosers before I wrote Zealot, Geddon, nor Tempest. It's one of the ships that's lost the most (whether it's fair is not the question here)
And as I stated on the Dominix, I think it'd be wise for some real testing before passing judgement.
Real testing is not qualified as test server where everyone is flying around in unstabbed battleships and no scramblers. It's your gritty "I don't really want to loose my ship, so I don't fight fair" tranquility. And in that setting I think the Dominix needs slightly more player skills to be boosted rather than nerfed (i.e. you WILL need to have a good control of your drones, otherwise you WILL be nerfed with RMR. If you DO have good control, you can chuck the right drone on the right target, in which case you will do more damage)
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: Boonaki
As a raven pilot, the only ship I truely fear post-RMR is the nosferdom. Nasty....
Thats what im talking about.. and still people says "Omg its nerfed!11 Whine whine"....
I think you missed the obvious sarcasm.
I fly a Raven and I've been beaten by Megathrons, Apocs and Tempests. It is FAR from the "one ship army" that someone made it out to be. It's also MUCH easier to taek down with smaller ships than any other BS. That sounds pretty balanced to me.
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
I got a shot of a Fedathron on sisi, kitted it up with neutron II's and a nice tank, and still had to run from a flippin torp raven despite having 50,000 odd total hitpoints :P The raven is a big winner in RMR.
Sounds like "Nice ship, same about the pilot" to me...If a Raven got through that then the Mega pilot did something WRONG...either tanked wrong, or came in atwrong range, or SOMEthing. Why can't you accept that rather than implying that the Raven is somehow horrendously overpowered.
I'm waiting for the first post of "OMG a solo Raven just killed my Titan" 
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Word
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:49:00 -
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All Stealth Bombers, improvements:
no cloak recal time, very little to no decloak target delay (given sensor boosters and skills) |
Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.12.15 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area
Originally by: Bazman
I got a shot of a Fedathron on sisi, kitted it up with neutron II's and a nice tank, and still had to run from a flippin torp raven despite having 50,000 odd total hitpoints :P The raven is a big winner in RMR.
Sounds like "Nice ship, same about the pilot" to me...If a Raven got through that then the Mega pilot did something WRONG...either tanked wrong, or came in atwrong range, or SOMEthing. Why can't you accept that rather than implying that the Raven is somehow horrendously overpowered.
I'm waiting for the first post of "OMG a solo Raven just killed my Titan"
I suggest you wait for:
'Omg T2 destroyer just killed my Raven, NERF asap!!111oneneone!!11'
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Pha Q
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Posted - 2005.12.15 15:19:00 -
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Anyone have an idea how a Rattlesnake will be after RMR ?
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Doomed Predator
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Posted - 2005.12.15 15:25:00 -
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Winners:
any ship that can shield tank and any ship that gives missile bonuses
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.15 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area
Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: Boonaki
As a raven pilot, the only ship I truely fear post-RMR is the nosferdom. Nasty....
Thats what im talking about.. and still people says "Omg its nerfed!11 Whine whine"....
I think you missed the obvious sarcasm.
I fly a Raven and I've been beaten by Megathrons, Apocs and Tempests. It is FAR from the "one ship army" that someone made it out to be. It's also MUCH easier to taek down with smaller ships than any other BS. That sounds pretty balanced to me.
No. Im not kidding.
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.12.15 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Doomed Predator
Edited by: Doomed Predator on 15/12/2005 15:28:49
Winners:
any ship that can shield tank and any ship that gives missile bonuses.Moslty Caldari.
I don't know what to think about drone ships.Some people are saying its a nerf some are saying its a boost.Well at least the damn drone ships wount lag you to much and you can die smothly.
Lossers.I guess everybody else.
I still dont get it, how exactly Shield tanking been boosted? Only by +25% overall hp and lower extender fitting reqs?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2005.12.15 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 15/12/2005 16:13:12
Originally by: Sky Hunter
Originally by: Doomed Predator
Edited by: Doomed Predator on 15/12/2005 15:28:49
Winners:
any ship that can shield tank and any ship that gives missile bonuses.Moslty Caldari.
I don't know what to think about drone ships.Some people are saying its a nerf some are saying its a boost.Well at least the damn drone ships wount lag you to much and you can die smothly.
Lossers.I guess everybody else.
I still dont get it, how exactly Shield tanking been boosted? Only by +25% overall hp and lower extender fitting reqs?
that, plus invul fields are actually usuable now and damage controls compliment shield tanking perfectly
6xArbalast Siege
1xXL C5 Booster
1xBoost Amp I (not sure if the named ones are actually available)
2xInvul II
1xHeavy Elec Cap Booster
1xDamage Control II
3xBCU II
1xCoPro II
17.75pg, 85.5cpu and 2 high slots left.
edit: resists will be Base + 30% + 30% + 12.5% - a bit for stacking.
Originally by: Testy McTest
Artillery Extreme Ammo - fires typhoons that launch claws with autocannons that launch guys in space suits that have machine guns that fire ninjas
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.12.15 16:13:00 -
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What about those ships that are shield tanking but arent missle users....like maybe some variations of Tempest/Vagabond?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2005.12.15 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Hunter
What about those ships that are shield tanking but arent missle users....like maybe some variations of Tempest/Vagabond?
they're fine - the whine genreally isn't about shield tanking in general, more shield tanking on the raven :).
of course, I should probably keep quite about t2 minny ships having over shield 50% resists with a single module otherwise people will probably want to nerf that too.
Vaga with invul II: EM 82.5, EX 72, KI 58, TH 72. 2 invul field IIs results in EM 86.5, EX 78, KI 67 and TH 78. Those figures use the old stacking penalty, so the result could be even higher.
Originally by: Testy McTest
Artillery Extreme Ammo - fires typhoons that launch claws with autocannons that launch guys in space suits that have machine guns that fire ninjas
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xKillaH
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Posted - 2005.12.15 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Hunter
Typhoon isnt bad, just need bonus change thats all. And this bonus should be turret one.
signed! I don't like that missile bonus
Originally by: Sarmaul
HACS beat frigates
Elite BCs beat hacs
battleships beat elite bcs
dude your so wrong, hacs can beat bs, recon ships can beat hacs and bs, and actually there's no freaking way that a bs 1 could take a recon ship except if it would have alot of nos
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Deviana Sevidon
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Posted - 2005.12.15 16:37:00 -
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I still can not believe that CCP has done nothing about the deimos.
In RMR it will be something like a slow thorax. It has 40 points more powergrid than the thorax. Great! But it also has to feed an extra highslot from it.
The description says it is designed as a blaster-ship but with such a small powergrid and slow on speed, it can not fit it's role. The deimos needs approach a target fast and deal out as much damage as possible, in a short time.
Please CCP give the deimos some love. Boost the powergrid so it is really viable to fit 5 medium T2 neutron blaster and boost the speed. A slow blaster-ship with crappy PG is just a poor joke.
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.12.15 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Hunter on 15/12/2005 16:45:36
Doubt a recon ship can beat current HAC. Recon ships are same HACs but EW. Wich results not only in nice EW bonuses....but in lower power-output.
As for Vagabond shield tankin....well Zealot/Sacrilege/Ishtar/Deimos also can have all resistances above 50% with one armor hardener.
Problem is that shield tanked Vagabond actually dont have much place to fit that hardener, so theres no 'nerf it' opportunity. Due to for example: AB/Large Shield Booster/Extender/Diruptor. Thats it all 4 slots used....
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
I still can not believe that CCP has done nothing about the deimos.
In RMR it will be something like a slow thorax. It has 40 points more powergrid than the thorax. Great! But it also has to feed an extra highslot from it.
The description says it is designed as a blaster-ship but with such a small powergrid and slow on speed, it can not fit it's role. The deimos needs approach a target fast and deal out as much damage as possible, in a short time.
Please CCP give the deimos some love. Boost the powergrid so it is really viable to fit 5 medium T2 neutron blaster and boost the speed. A slow blaster-ship with crappy PG is just a poor joke.
Deimos is underpowered? lol?
Deimos can dish very high amount of dps, prolly one of highest among HACs. You want Neutron IIs with armor tank? Sorry, no way, since other race HACs also cant fit max damage gun without sacrifising something.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2005.12.15 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: xKillaH
Originally by: Sarmaul
HACS beat frigates
Elite BCs beat hacs
battleships beat elite bcs
dude your so wrong, hacs can beat bs, recon ships can beat hacs and bs, and actually there's no freaking way that a bs 1 could take a recon ship except if it would have alot of nos
it was meant to be a joke but for some reason you decided to edit out the final line in order to make yourself look cool, probably in retalliation for me calling you a tard in another thread (which I still stand by)
Originally by: Testy McTest
Artillery Extreme Ammo - fires typhoons that launch claws with autocannons that launch guys in space suits that have machine guns that fire ninjas
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.12.15 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
I still can not believe that CCP has done nothing about the deimos.
In RMR it will be something like a slow thorax. It has 40 points more powergrid than the thorax. Great! But it also has to feed an extra highslot from it.
The description says it is designed as a blaster-ship but with such a small powergrid and slow on speed, it can not fit it's role. The deimos needs approach a target fast and deal out as much damage as possible, in a short time.
Please CCP give the deimos some love. Boost the powergrid so it is really viable to fit 5 medium T2 neutron blaster and boost the speed. A slow blaster-ship with crappy PG is just a poor joke.
Seriously ? The Diemos is Fine as it is. You can't fit 7 Tech II mega neutrons on a Mega So how is it any different on a Diemos.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2005.12.15 16:55:00 -
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Enjoy all the fun of the Eagle where your weapon bonus only covers 4 of your 6 high slots.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2005.12.15 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Uggster
Enjoy all the fun of the Eagle where your weapon bonus only covers 4 of your 6 high slots.
and you think minny hacs get a bonus on their missiles? 
Originally by: Testy McTest
Artillery Extreme Ammo - fires typhoons that launch claws with autocannons that launch guys in space suits that have machine guns that fire ninjas
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.12.15 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
They did.
They nerfed them.
Yeah, Oveur said that was the desired effect. I think he meant no more insta popping. But the trouble is: low dps and longer fights only means worse trouble for us ultimate undeniable underdogs. Yarr.
As much as im sure CCP hates us minnie wingers, I hate to think whether or not they would have attempted to fix projectiles a while ago (they were in a proper bad state before) were it not for the amount of people on these forums telling them how bad they were. We might even still be there? :(
Were meant to suck, thats the message there trying to get across. We might as well suck it up or train amarr 
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Nybro
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Posted - 2005.12.15 17:47:00 -
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Winers: all who can adjust
Losers: all who can't |
Ralph Rackstraw
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Posted - 2005.12.15 17:56:00 -
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Last week i stocked up on Dominix BPC. 50ME for $1.2M isk ain't bad? they were bargain rate all over. everyone wants a mega i guess.
yarr mates
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Icek Villawrov
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Posted - 2005.12.16 03:41:00 -
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I was wondering, how does a cormorant do on average in RMR? That's what i currently own and had plans on getting a Moa cruiser, would this still be a wise choice?
Icek Villawrov
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PyroEra
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Posted - 2005.12.16 03:48:00 -
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ok so....if cyclone=winner....ium trying to refit it...should i go artillery or autocannon...i ehard those changed a bit too...and what all changed on the cyclone?
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Squidfoam
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Posted - 2005.12.16 04:15:00 -
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Edited by: Squidfoam on 16/12/2005 04:15:10
Before RMR I had to use two RCU Is to run my 7 200mm protos on the Brutix.
Now I can use a single PDS I.
PWNZLE. 
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Brep
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Posted - 2005.12.16 05:43:00 -
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relax, if you mine as much as it sounds, you'll be in a cruiser in no time.
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