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Quaren	Posted - 2005.12.13 14:52:00 - [31] Edited by: Quaren on 13/12/2005 14:52:23 loosers imo: all gank ships with high dps(geddon, tempest, megat, zealot, deimos) Winners: Ravens(smaller capbooster charges and stuff like that really help but the biggest help for the raven is that before your shot att killing a raven with another bs was to do enough damage to kill him before he kills you but with damagemod stacking changes you just cant do that anymore. Ravens pwn anything that is the size of a cruiser or bigger.) battlecruisers, almost all cruisers, almost all frigs, eagle, cerberus, ishtar probably forgot some stuff but wth. and for those of you that Dont think the raven got a big boost can just take a look at the testserver ffa area and see what almost 50% of everyone is flying bs wise.
CueCia	Posted - 2005.12.13 14:57:00 - [32] Gronsak they have nerfed the raven enough. I dont know if you been around when the the missile nerf hit us? I do like the changes, but the missiles were far more effective before it. At least they could be used against anything. Anyway, just so you know it i fly both megathron and raven with very high skills on both, and i can tell you: Gankathron > Raven in close combat. Cheers.
Lily Savage	Posted - 2005.12.13 16:38:00 - [33] Lots of ppl are saying that the Zealot does badly from the RMR. Is that because of the stacking penalty changes? If so, surely it only affects those setups with a lot of damage mods. The setups with, say, 3xHSII are better, aren't they?
keepiru	Posted - 2005.12.13 17:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Lily Savage Lots of ppl are saying that the Zealot does badly from the RMR. Is that because of the stacking penalty changes? If so, surely it only affects those setups with a lot of damage mods. The setups with, say, 3xHSII are better, aren't they? Sure. but when you cant do more damage than other hacs thanks to more damage mods, what you get is an extremely limited ship - no drones or missiles - that deals less damage than most short-range hacs. Its excessivle easy to counter, and if youre not doing more damage - or slighly more damage but @ 1/17 of the range compared to cerberus - whats the point in such a limited ship? ------------- Where are the missile damage implants? ;)
Drunkeh	Posted - 2005.12.13 17:15:00 - [35] Originally by: CueCia Gronsak they have nerfed the raven enough. I dont know if you been around when the the missile nerf hit us? I do like the changes, but the missiles were far more effective before it. At least they could be used against anything. Anyway, just so you know it i fly both megathron and raven with very high skills on both, and i can tell you: Gankathron > Raven in close combat. Cheers. Wrong. Originally by: Omeega I R NO WORK. I SELL MY KIDS FOR ISK. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.
Embattle	Posted - 2005.12.13 17:24:00 - [36] The only issue I had with the missile changes will now be solved with rmr, the volume reduction. ----------- I would have a sig but it might break a arm, leg or even worse a rule.
PirateShampoo	Posted - 2005.12.13 17:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Gronsak what where u able to "one shot" just so barly that u cant do anymore DPS isnt low on a tempest, ur skills must be **** check DPS in sniper tempest VS sniper megathron its tank is the same as a megathrons, ie nothing (although it can be setup with a good tank) I have 11 million sp in gunnery, BS lvl 5, large spec 5, and yes Artillary sucks ass on RMR...
Katya Peti	Posted - 2005.12.13 17:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Drunkeh Originally by: CueCia Gronsak they have nerfed the raven enough. I dont know if you been around when the the missile nerf hit us? I do like the changes, but the missiles were far more effective before it. At least they could be used against anything. Anyway, just so you know it i fly both megathron and raven with very high skills on both, and i can tell you: Gankathron > Raven in close combat. Cheers. Wrong. QFT
Talos Darkhart	Posted - 2005.12.13 18:08:00 - [39] Awwww all those Nerf the raven posters are going to have somthing to do again by the sound of it. Well if it keeps them happy
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.12.13 18:10:00 - [40] Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 13/12/2005 18:11:02 Originally by: PirateShampoo Originally by: Gronsak what where u able to "one shot" just so barly that u cant do anymore DPS isnt low on a tempest, ur skills must be ** check DPS in sniper tempest VS sniper megathron its tank is the same as a megathrons, ie nothing (although it can be setup with a good tank) I have 11 million sp in gunnery, BS lvl 5, large spec 5, and yes Artillary sucks ass on RMR... in the same boat you are in... and I agree. btw your sig is pwn! Originally by:** "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
PirateShampoo	Posted - 2005.12.13 18:21:00 - [41] Thx Asestorian made it for me... Anyway i wont b flying a Tempest intill its sorted, but the Typhoon is gonna look like its gonna fit up ok (thank god)
solidshot	Posted - 2005.12.13 18:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Quaren Edited by: Quaren on 13/12/2005 14:52:23 loosers imo: all gank ships with high dps(geddon, tempest, megat, zealot, deimos) Winners: Ravens(smaller capbooster charges and stuff like that really help but the biggest help for the raven is that before your shot att killing a raven with another bs was to do enough damage to kill him before he kills you but with damagemod stacking changes you just cant do that anymore. Ravens pwn anything that is the size of a cruiser or bigger.) battlecruisers, almost all cruisers, almost all frigs, eagle, cerberus, ishtar probably forgot some stuff but wth. and for those of you that Dont think the raven got a big boost can just take a look at the testserver ffa area and see what almost 50% of everyone is flying bs wise. think you'll find the tempest has high burst damage and low dps?
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2005.12.13 18:48:00 - [43] I was not aware of any specific changes to Typhoon in RMR. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Trepkos	Posted - 2005.12.13 18:55:00 - [44] Wow, alot of different opinions in this thread, though I agree on the 425mm mega vs. 1400mm tempest graph being sort of unbalanced, but we really can not judge things upon what is seen on the test server regarding how well it will play out on TQ. And yes I am a gankageddon, tempest and mega pilot and to be honest I am not worried. --------
pjcolon25	Posted - 2005.12.13 18:58:00 - [45] After reading most of the whining posted I can't help but think some of you aren't getting the point that the devs, perhaps, are not wanting "An Army of One" ship but a a gang, or fleet, of mixed sized ships and/or races. While I do agree that some ships do fit the "Army of One" label, ie the Raven, most of the other ships do work best when teamed with other ships to cover their shorfalls. "Didn't your mother ever teach you to flush? It's like a bucket full of paydays in there."
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.12.13 19:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Imhotep Khem I was not aware of any specific changes to Typhoon in RMR. drone damage mods, and the "ahem" promise that the optimal range bonus will be killed off for a missile bonus (but that will be after rmr ships). Originally by: Chowdown We camp a lot
Brannor McThife	Posted - 2005.12.13 20:14:00 - [47] Why is the Cerberus a winner? What EXACTLY changes in Heavy Missiles? -G
Lygos	Posted - 2005.12.13 20:19:00 - [48] Losers: Incursus & Punisher Both totally boned. Punisher is now reduced to only two possible fits: Punosipher or a remote rep that won't even bridge its orbit to another "close range" punisher. Maybe if you went with gats? It's now the only heavy frig that can't really tackle. Worse at npcs besides angels due to decreased ability to use active hardner. MAPC + 400mm still works at least. Incursus loses ability to hit things and is surpassed utterly by the rifter in all areas. It gets a drone though, which with awesome skills, can slow your opponent by 4% should you have time to whip it out. Winners: Tristan & Rifter & Merlin Tristan - No longer has that onerous and unique burden of a utility slot - even though two blaster tristans would often be within range of a remote rep. Rifter - Well, it didn't quite get a boost on every stat. Merlin - Starting on Caldari has always been starting on easy mode. All in all, these are changes I can work around, though some of them make the battlefield more dull. Sucks to be a new player though, and not even be able to fit a complete tech1 setup on most of these. Targetting Sig Variance -- "Everything I love is combustible."
Nybbas	Posted - 2005.12.13 20:31:00 - [49] lol ravens are going to annihilate everything... smaller missile sizes and smaller cap booster sizes means they can fit more. along with the invuln field nerf... and a nerf across the board to lots of ships setups dps... raven is going to destroy in RMR.
xKillaH	Posted - 2005.12.13 20:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Aversin Loser: Minmatar (yes the entire race) agree! Need a Sig? Check Gallery
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2005.12.13 20:54:00 - [51] Raven is fine, it's the other ships that are getting b0rked too much.
Drunkeh	Posted - 2005.12.13 20:55:00 - [52] Edited by: Drunkeh on 13/12/2005 20:55:40 Originally by: Brannor McThife Why is the Cerberus a winner? What EXACTLY changes in Heavy Missiles? -G Rof reduction, adjustment of heavy missile sig **. Originally by:** Omeega I R NO WORK. I SELL MY KIDS FOR ISK. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.
Spartan III	Posted - 2005.12.14 03:08:00 - [53] Edited by: Spartan III on 14/12/2005 03:09:42 Err, there is at least one ship in the minnie race that is a winner, the minnie titan and its "I win" button Winners: Dreads, carriers, motherships, titans, TL2 barge ect... or was this pre RMR ships? in that case dreads now un-nerfed. *************** Join Our Public Channel "Christian Public Access" for great christian fellowship
Uma Chui	Posted - 2005.12.14 03:40:00 - [54] Edited by: Uma Chui on 14/12/2005 03:40:22 t2 destoyers :) ( crap, wrong character )
Brannor McThife	Posted - 2005.12.14 04:48:00 - [55] Originally by: Drunkeh Rof reduction, adjustment of heavy missile sig ****. So all heavy missile launchers have a faster RoF in RMR? And the signature stuff you refer to, is that a reduced Explosion Radius? -is that a good thing? -G
LWMaverick	Posted - 2005.12.14 08:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Brannor McThife Why is the Cerberus a winner? What EXACTLY changes in Heavy Missiles? -G Quote from patch notes: Increased damage output of heavy missile launchers. Heavy missile and Heavy missile launcher volume has been reduced by three-fifths. Missile Implants have been added. + i have been up against it on sisi a "few" times now... Even my ishtar fails from time to time With great power, comes great responsibility.
LWMaverick	Posted - 2005.12.14 08:26:00 - [57] Edited by: LWMaverick on 14/12/2005 08:26:26 Originally by: CueCia Gronsak they have nerfed the raven enough. I dont know if you been around when the the missile nerf hit us? I do like the changes, but the missiles were far more effective before it. At least they could be used against anything. Anyway, just so you know it i fly both megathron and raven with very high skills on both, and i can tell you: Gankathron > Raven in close combat. Cheers. Im sorry to be harsh and say it like this... BUT OMFG YOU HAVE NO ******** CLUE AT ALL!11 With great power, comes great responsibility.
Theron Gyrow	Posted - 2005.12.14 08:55:00 - [58] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gronsak now the tempest is sniper king rather than the megathron. check DPS in sniper tempest VS sniper megathron 3 damage mod 1400mm tempest vs 3 damage mod 425mm rail megathron I'd say that Tempest is, indeed, better than Mega there. Mega has worse (and not at all variable) damage types, one fewer medslot and guns that need about 22 times the cap the Tempest's guns do... -- Gradient's forum
Arti K	Posted - 2005.12.14 08:58:00 - [59] Edited by: Arti K on 14/12/2005 08:59:07 Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gronsak now the tempest is sniper king rather than the megathron. check DPS in sniper tempest VS sniper megathron 3 damage mod 1400mm tempest vs 3 damage mod 425mm rail megathron I'd say that Tempest is, indeed, better than Mega there. Mega has worse (and not at all variable) damage types, one fewer medslot and guns that need about 22 times the cap the Tempest's guns do... The ships aren't even moving, if they were moving, you'd really see the artilleries fail miserably. Plus there's the little thing where we have to reload every 10 shots instead of every 80, or not at all. And cap use on a sniper? right...
Boonaki	Posted - 2005.12.14 09:20:00 - [60] As a raven pilot, the only ship I truely fear post-RMR is the nosferdom. Nasty.... Fear the Ibis of doom.

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