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Mater Otomeya
Shoot ship and salvage Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.22 08:03:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Mater Otomeya wrote: The Dominix is far from a semi-AFK ship, and I dont get why people suggest it as such. Especially not as a second ship for mission running...
Post your fit.
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Core A-Type Large Armor Repairer Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Core B-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Large Micro Jump Drive Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Gist C-Type 100MN Afterburner
Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I Large Ionic Field Projector I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hardeners being mission specific. Also, is there a way to copy that from EFT, so I dont have to type it all out? |

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
331
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Posted - 2013.07.22 08:06:00 -
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Mater Otomeya wrote:For The Assault, I might just put the Tengu in solo, as I have done it tons of time, and it just speed tanks the place. The alt has almost no missile skills, which is why I didnt go Rattlesnake, and why I dont really want to try to get him into a Tengu. The part that sucks is that he could fly a Legion, but I have a very strong feeling that he wont be as lucky as the Tengu. But if I go with a very high kin/therm tank on the Domi, and fit a cap booster with the LAR, he might tank well enough to use him, but the downside is that there was constant drone agro. You have Gallente BS, you have Loki skills?
Get him into an autocannon/afterburner Machariel. Instapop the small annoying stuff, orbit the Machariel with your Tengu and laugh as both speed tank the rest of the NPCs 
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Mater Otomeya
Shoot ship and salvage Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.22 08:10:00 -
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Pohbis wrote:You have Gallente BS, you have Loki skills? Get him into an autocannon/afterburner Machariel. Instapop the small annoying stuff, orbit the Machariel with your Tengu and laugh as both speed tank the rest of the NPCs 
No, the character has up to medium spec Energy Turrets, as well as the Amarr cruiser/strategic cruiser. I have HACs as well, so was thinking Ishtar, but I dont have Gall Cruiser 5. |

Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.07.22 09:33:00 -
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Mater Otomeya wrote:Hardeners being mission specific. Also, is there a way to copy that from EFT, so I dont have to type it all out? PYFA has got a "To Clipboard" and "From Clipboard" feature to easily import and export fittings as text. I am pretty sure EFT has got the same. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

MacKael
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:08:00 -
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im not sure how most of the people on here do it, but i use a mjd domi EVERY mission in gallente space. never once have to warp out, or ever go into armor. i guess its all on how you pilot it that makes you successfull. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:13:00 -
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MacKael wrote:im not sure how most of the people on here do it, but i use a mjd domi EVERY mission in gallente space. never once have to warp out, or ever go into armor. i guess its all on how you pilot it that makes you successfull.
The Assault versus Guristas is a very different mission to The Assault versus Serpentis. I'd refer you to EVE Survival, but they appear to be having major DB problems right about now.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Mater Otomeya
Shoot ship and salvage Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:21:00 -
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Indeed. In the second room, I did a jump and was about 150km away from the nearest ship. Still getting hit by missiles. |

Kyperion
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:17:00 -
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How about an Armageddon fitted with cruises? Been playing around on EFT and looks like you can put some impressive mileage out of the 5 launcher hardpoints, plus the range bonus for the Vamps. Enough Lows and Mids to field a good tank. Alternatively If you had targeting and fitting skills, Large Projectiles could be set up to alpha a lot of the smaller stuff. |

Mater Otomeya
Shoot ship and salvage Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.22 13:33:00 -
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I had looked into the Armageddon, but the missing range bonus for the drones put me off. I may have found a solution, though. Rather than having two in combat, I put my Tengu pilot into an Osprey with a ton of cap rechargers/CCCs, three shield transporters, and two energy transfers. Was pretty cheap, and shield boosts the hell out of the Dominix. The energy transfers let me put a MWD on the Dominix, and remove all of the tank for better drone damage. Wont go as quickly as a Dominix and a Tengu, but so far it seems a bit faster than the Tengu, and when I have the Osprey orbit the Dominix, he is just a set and forget. I put a shield transporter on one of my open highs on the Dominix to give the Osprey a decent tank. At 650m/s, I havent seen any real incoming damage on him in the last 3 missions. |

seth Hendar
I love you miners
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Posted - 2013.07.22 14:48:00 -
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Mater Otomeya wrote:I have been running level 4s with my Tengu for some time now, and they have always gone very smoothly. No warping out, good DPS, can orbit a wreck for most of the mission, and can run from the computer if needed. Against Guristas, the DPS is also very nice.
However, I was looking at using an alt to assist, instead of just salvage at the end. I figured that since I have an alt with decent drone skills, I would try semi-afking a drone ship, since I have seen many people mention it. (and since they are solo, I figured that this would work out perfectly with two characters.)
So I fit out a Dominix, took "The Assault," and flew my Tengu and Dominix out there. Tengu goes it first, and starts agroing the stuff, and the Dominix comes in about 30 seconds later. Most of the NPCs are about 40km off, and some out around 100km, so I toss out my Gardes. Since I dont have anything on me, I have to tell the Gardes who to target, and that is fine, because I have two monitors, and it took minimal time. Getting ECMed was a pain, but still. The problem was that about 15 seconds after the Gardes started shooting, half the ships decided that my space potato looked mighty tasty, and completely switched to me. I got my LARs going, and noticed that I had two Gardes taking damage. Scoop them up, wait 5 seconds, poop them back out. By this time, almost all the ships have switched to my Dominix, even though my Tengu is putting out more DPS, and is closer.
So I scoop up the Gardes again, and Micro Jump. This puts them about 120km away, which was farther than my 104km targeting range. No big deal, start floating him over while you mess around with the Tengu. Too bad that nearly all those ships were still on my Dominix, and pounding him with cruise missiles, even at 120km. (And I read SO many places that a heavy tank wouldnt be needed, because you just jump and range tank... Yeah...) So I get into targeting range, and drop the Bouncers. They dont get agro, but I have to scoop them and warp out because the damage was easily overpowering my Core A-type LAR. The Tengu now gets all the agro again, and spend the rest of the time at 100% shields, orbiting his wreck.
Once I get some cap back, I warp the Dominix back in, drop the Gardes, and about 15 seconds later I get agro again, some even to the drones. (this is post wave spawn, btw. Just random agro switches) Again, the Dominix is farther away, doing less DPS, and yet the whole room really likes the way he smells. Scoop, MJD, Bouncers, blah. Same results, but this time the room clears before I run out of cap on the Dominix. Tengu still orbiting his wreck, still at 100% shields.
Repeat for pocket two, including very sporadic agro changes towards my drones. Good thing that this was a "drop drones at 100km and make yourself a sandwich" ship, being that I spent almost all my time and attention babysitting it, while the Tengu actually worked semi afk for the most part. Just pick new targets, and start shooting after reloading for the most part.
So seriously, wtf? Why does everyone say that the Dominix is a great AFK ship? I should have just spent the extra time, got a second Tengu, and flown those two... Likely would have been nearly as fast, no slow boating BS, no warping out, no drone micromanagement, no crazy agro swaps (which I was assured wouldnt happen, being that agro was already taken...) etc. I did "The Score" as well, with very similar results. Even worse, I was so busy micromanaging the crap, that I MJDed and forgot to stop ship, and when my Bouncers got agro, I was 17km off...
TL;DR:
The Dominix is far from a semi-AFK ship, and I dont get why people suggest it as such. Especially not as a second ship for mission running... fried potatoes are tasty, even space potatoes.
also, afk-ing mission o whathever in drone boats is not possible anymore, since the regular rats now have a "lighter" sleeper AI |

Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2013.07.22 15:44:00 -
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as others have said, since the NPC change, there's really no great AFK boat. Domi's are still good, but you have to be at the helm. also, they work great in pairs with remote reps, which can also be used to keep your sentrys alive w/o constantly retracting them. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.07.22 23:23:00 -
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Iosue wrote:as others have said, since the NPC change, there's really no great AFK boat. Domi's are still good, but you have to be at the helm. also, they work great in pairs with remote reps, which can also be used to keep your sentrys alive w/o constantly retracting them.
Though you will typically find that once you start the RR the NPCs will completely ignore the vulnerable drones and attempt to break your massive tank instead. They're not particularly smart, those NPCs. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.22 23:37:00 -
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you can't run missions with 2 ships and have one tank the entire pocket anymore. The rats switch targets now, and if all ships you take can not tank the entire pocket you will lose the ship. Also rats love to shoot drones now.
keep track of your triggers and don't kill them until you are ready. Don't aggro entire pocket.
That is all. |

Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.23 00:50:00 -
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CCP was bound to improve AI and reduce AFK easy mode from Mission 4s eventually. Welcome to the future!
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Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.23 03:27:00 -
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Mater Otomeya wrote:Pohbis wrote:You have Gallente BS, you have Loki skills? Get him into an autocannon/afterburner Machariel. Instapop the small annoying stuff, orbit the Machariel with your Tengu and laugh as both speed tank the rest of the NPCs  No, the character has up to medium spec Energy Turrets, as well as the Amarr cruiser/strategic cruiser. I have HACs as well, so was thinking Ishtar, but I dont have Gall Cruiser 5.
Take a look at the Gila, just needs Cal/Gall cruiser skills. |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2013.07.23 04:26:00 -
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this is how I have my domi fit. 110km optimal with garde IIs, and should out dps most tengus. I'd probably drop one drone scope rig for a ccc as that will get it stable with the rep. with nightmare, machariel, or vindicator in the mission it doesn't get aggro often, and when it does everything dies so fast the tank is more than enough.
[Dominix, Assist] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Energy Transfer Array II Large Energy Transfer Array II [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Scope Chip I
Garde II x5 Warden II x5
I have a few rattlesnakes that I use with MJDs and they work pretty damn well. most npcs can't even hit your drones. that said guristas are probably the hardest just because their missiles will hit you. I do use a target painter and auto targeting missiles and those seem to keep aggro reasonably well. heck most missions I can just sit there and not bother with the mjd.
Mara Rinn wrote:MacKael wrote:im not sure how most of the people on here do it, but i use a mjd domi EVERY mission in gallente space. never once have to warp out, or ever go into armor. i guess its all on how you pilot it that makes you successfull. The Assault versus Guristas is a very different mission to The Assault versus Serpentis. Note that in the Serpentis version you can skip the difficult combat and simply go to the second room without shooting anything.
you can skip all combat in the first room in the guristas version too, and that is how I do it every time.
Blitz
Pocket 1: Warp through the gate without killing anything. Pocket 2: Aggro Group 3 (only) and eliminate ALL ships in Group 3. Warp out. You can trust me, I have a monocole |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2013.07.23 05:20:00 -
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Both assaults are the same except the type of jamming. 2 SEBOs in a mach eliminate the dampening altogether. I am going to attempt the same in a RS but with 2 eccms and see if it nullifies the jamming. Eve is Real |

Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.23 05:55:00 -
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I fly either a Machariel or a Rattlesnake and I use my repper Domi with a full compliment of drones. The trick is to target what is shooting at the Domi and/or Drones. Domi reps drones and Mach if needed. Mach armor reps the Domi in 2 min spurts.
If you fit it out right, and pay attention to rrepping duties while drones are "assist"ing the main, it goes really well. We devastate the field rapidly.
I'm not sure what your DPS is, but you need max dps which is easy with 5 sentries (Domi) and a main ship set up for MAXIMUM destruction.
Point being, the best defense is a good offense, when you use a Domi alt. |

dexington
Dexington Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.23 06:58:00 -
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Mater Otomeya wrote:The Dominix is far from a semi-AFK ship, and I dont get why people suggest it as such. Especially not as a second ship for mission running...
Some missions are harder to afk then others, but two remote rep sentry domi's does a okay job being semi-afk. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |

Mater Otomeya
Shoot ship and salvage Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.23 07:16:00 -
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I would like to thank everyone for their input, but I think that I am just going to swap out ships depending on the mission. Blitz quick missions with the Tengu, and then do the Dominix and Osprey combo for the longer missions. My Tengu pilot has very limited drone skills, and only Caldari BS, and even then he doesnt have Cruise spec. The constant switching between two characters takes too much focus, and just isnt for me, it seems. With the Osprey repping, the Dominix can focus on just range and DPS, and I dont need think about either one getting toasted, other than my drones. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.23 07:52:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Though you will typically find that once you start the RR the NPCs will completely ignore the vulnerable drones and attempt to break your massive tank instead. They're not particularly smart, those NPCs.
This
Also: drones = hahahahaha
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

duglas Luven
Confederate Industry and Investments Inc. Confederacy of Stellar Empires
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:37:00 -
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"The Assault,"
When you 1st warp in the 2nd group of ships 3 or 4 thoraxes and 2 frigates. Take them out 1st, 2nd take out the 4 battle ships. After that the dampening / ECM will not be as heavy and you can manage the incoming damage. One of my top 5 favorite missions. |

Mater Otomeya
Shoot ship and salvage Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:53:00 -
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duglas Luven wrote: "The Assault,"
When you 1st warp in the 2nd group of ships 3 or 4 thoraxes and 2 frigates. Take them out 1st, 2nd take out the 4 battle ships. After that the dampening / ECM will not be as heavy and you can manage the incoming damage. One of my top 5 favorite missions.
I assume that this is not for the Gurista version. The ECM wasnt actually all that bad. I got locked down a few times, but I got my drones in motion, so it was, for the most part, only a minor inconvenience. The problem is the gigantic range on the cruise missiles. I was expecting the MJD to keep me range tanked, but this was clearly not the case, lol.
Anyway, the premise of the thread was not to complain about the Dominix, but to complain about people saying that you can semi-afk in it. Multiple people have stated that this is outdated information, and I accept that I was reading some stuff from 2012, as well as what people in local and a couple private channels were saying. Apparently this was true, but not anymore, and that makes my point quite moot. |

duglas Luven
Confederate Industry and Investments Inc. Confederacy of Stellar Empires
2
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Posted - 2013.07.23 09:50:00 -
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Mater Otomeya wrote:WTS C5 Wormhole Yea I run 4's over in Gallente space. So my information is for serpentis. As for AFK missioning personally that would be sorta slow if you can get around the drone aggro. Never AFK missioned either. |

Mater Otomeya
Shoot ship and salvage Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.23 10:19:00 -
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duglas Luven wrote:Mater Otomeya wrote:WTS C5 Wormhole Yea I run 4's over in Gallente space. So my information is for serpentis. As for AFK missioning personally that would be sorta slow if you can get around the drone aggro. Never AFK missioned either.
I assume that you found that WTS C5 Wormhole in an early post? This guy is my hauler/indy/salvager, which I bought like, 2-3 weeks ago.
Anyway, I am not talking about AFKing missions. I wanted to actively fly my Tengu, with the Dominix as extra DPS. It would be semi AFK in the sense that I would still be there, and look at it on my second screen, but would focus on my Tengu. (and watching TV) This was not the case, and I found myself with the Dominix on my main screen while the Tengu basically AFKed. |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.07.23 10:29:00 -
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Not sure why they didnt just change drones to not auto-defend their owners. Would have taken care of the afk thing. As drones are at the moment - imagine if shooting at npcs caused the npcs to blow up your turrets or some crap. Micromanaging them is frustrating as hell.
I had a hammer II get instapopped yesterday. I had no aggro at all so I zoom out and see a whole bunch of firing at my drones from all ghe spawns. I pull drones in getting ready to warp out. Spawns sit there. Pop drones out. They start ganking my dtones again lol.
Crazy drone mechanics. |

Haramir Haleths
Nutella Bande
18
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:18:00 -
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What does this tell us ?
CCP did their job very well with NPC KI, because they always stated ... they won't support AFK missioning or other 'afk get easy isk exploits' And every ship with drones or without should have all you attentions during space travels !
Have a nice day |

Aims 'Amy' Loh
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:04:00 -
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Personally I think the new Dominix is outstanding - great dps at good range - but the sentry drones do require babysitting, especially if they are Federation Navy. They can take some shots if you need to visit the fridge, but better be quick :) |

Mater Otomeya
Shoot ship and salvage Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:29:00 -
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Haramir Haleths wrote:What does this tell us ?
CCP did their job very well with NPC KI, because they always stated ... they won't support AFK missioning or other 'afk get easy isk exploits' And every ship with drones or without should have all you attentions during space travels !
Have a nice day
Again, I would like to thank people for not reading anything, and just posting their assumptions. That is why I come to the forums. |

Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
554
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:38:00 -
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dual boxing and complaining he has to micro
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