So, what you're really trying to say is that you don't want ECM around to jack up your Logi Rep chain? So then people start bitchin about Logi's being OP because they're now near impossible to break.

ECM is chance base for a reason... It works just fine.

LOL, at the 5 second cycle time proposal. Aside from that not helping your theory at all, how then does the Projected ECM skill then get applied? Get it down to a 2 second cycle? Lol

Seriously, 5 years later and people still complaining about this, when there are ways to combat it... They're just too lazy to plan ahead.

CCP, instead of further trying to appease the lazy minded, how about developing a Manual Override mode on turrets, where they can fire weapons with a point amd click of the mouse... Without the ships computer helping them Track, estimate range, lead... THAT, would be the only way around that. And the Manual Override could only be used for turreted weapons. Let them see how hard that is... But hey, at least then they could feel like they weren't completely Useless.

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I don't know if you are being serious but "manual override mode" is just stupid. It would never work, eve isn't some FPS.

How can you complain about other peoples proposals where the one you put is equally as bad.

I don't know if you are being serious but "manual override mode" is just stupid. It would never work, eve isn't some FPS.

How can you complain about other peoples proposals where the one you put is equally as bad.

Widows vs Vargurs... ECM vs low sensor strength ships. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n4dV2QrytI

My solution to ECM.............

Change the effect from completely breaking lock of everything on a ship to each successful activation effectively reduces the amount of targets you can lock. (Also this would mean that ECM strength would have to be boosted, however before you kill me listen up)

So lets say a ship can lock 7 targets. A falcon decloaks and locks you successfully getting 2 jams off from different jammers at the same time.
Now you can only lock 5 targets. Effectively freeing up 2 ships but enemy ship can still lock 5 targets. Now if there are only 4 enemy ships you would lose lock on 2 of them, but since you can still lock 5 total, you would be able to immediately lock back those ships. Now if there were 9 ships you would lose lock on 2 of the 7 but keep 5 others locked.

This would help nerf the small gang ECM problem while boosting Large fleet effectiveness. In large fleets say you have 10 falcons and 20 enemy logi. With boosted ECM strength you could effectively cause each logi to lose lockj on 3 targets. This would enable the ability to effectively switch targets and cause all mannor of chaos, but at the same time a ship would not be COMPLETELY out of a fight if jammed.

Now a ship would be completely out if it had more activated jams on it than lockable targets.

I hope my explaination made sense..... whatcha think?

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ECM should reduce your max locked targets so multitasking would actually be worth training.

ECM should turn off randomly picked active modules, number of mods and duration specified by skills, equipment and gear used and a moderate random modifier. New mods and duration rolled per each cycle.

Flight of ECM drones would be able to shut off 1-2 mods for only a short duration.

How hard is it to bring your own ECM?

How hard is it to bring your own ECM?

Oh hai Diesel... Look, I know you still hate from all those times I killed you back in Aki, but try to be more grown up in the forum. By the way, a manual override makes more sense logically and would be more immersive than just trying to wipe out a strategic mechanic making Eve less immersive and have less options to actually be strategic.

The OP mentioned wanting ideas, I gave one... An apparent outside the box one. Perhaps that's what is needed. Simple and easy after all is NOT what is wanted by smart players and CCP.

ECM should turn off randomly picked active modules, number of mods and duration specified by skills, equipment and gear used and a moderate random modifier. New mods and duration rolled per each cycle.

Flight of ECM drones would be able to shut off 1-2 mods for only a short duration.

Rofl, doesn't change the fact that your idea really sucks.

And you can't support your idea by chestbeating about killing a 3 month old noob in akianavas a starter system some 2 years ago.

Nobody suggested straight up removing ECM altogether, I don't know where you made that up.


But for old times sake, are you still sitting in hisec killing the industrials mate? Thought you'd give that up and actually do something that is atleast a little bit challenging by now...

You mean like being in over 100 wars, fraking up large Coalitions & Alliances? Or like you in the arse end of nowhere doing little to nothing but crying over Falcons... Again.

CCP has made efforts to appease the un-appeasable whines of ECM. It's right where it needs to be. And it's clear that you don't want to have to consider the challenge (which really isn't that hard) of getting around ECM. After a few years I'd of thought even you would have figured it out by now.

FYI, if you're going to argue that an idea sux, why don't you provide an actual intelligent argument as to why you think so. After all isn't that why you're here? To explore and debate Ideas? Or is that as well too much of a challenge?

I think decreasing the cycle time on ECM down to like 10 seconds for modules and 5 seconds for drones would go a long way.


As it is a lucky jam can just **** you over way to hard.

One issue/side effect will show up if this was done.

I'll assume that CCP would be smart enough to start with effectiveness v.s. logistics first.

Then would base the number of modules that shut off based on how many mods they use on average.

As you get to smaller ships it gets real ugly losing a mod compared to a cruiser.

A BS would have it the other way. It would be very minimal effect

That is why I called it issue/side effect.

It may be a wanted side effect to some.
It might be a huge issue for others.

Just be aware that it would happen if that was done to the ECM system.

Would you really want to have to turn back on your tank if you got hit with ECM?

Would it only effect high slot mods if not?

Now the BS v.s. Frigate effect goes crazy.
1/8th of a BS's Damage could be shut off compared to half of a frigates if just one dropped on a given cycle.

Does that leave ECM as god like v.s. frigs? Or do we give all ships the same base sensor strength to compensate?

More questions than answers on this one.

I already mentioned above that it will make ECM over-powered when used by a frigate to jam a BS. A BS needs the 20 seconds to lock onto a frigate and do something about it. If you shorten the time down to 10 or 5 seconds then a BS would have to wait for 2 or more lucky drop-outs in a row.

ECM is right as rain. Train your skills up, fly ships with high sensor strengths, fit ECCMs or backup arrays, make use of the sensor integrity gang link or use implants. Not wanting to use these items is no excuse and only dumb.

Here is a trick how to counter ECM drones: launch your own combat drones when you see someone launching ECM drones. Once the ECM drones attack will your own drones fight them off through auto aggression. It does not always need smartbombs.

A % chance to make a ship almost completely worthless? This doesn't belongs in a game that is rule and math driven.

Make cycle time dependant on ship size? 5 for frigs, 10 for cruisers, 15 for bc's and 20 for bs'?